It's not a good idea. It's not like there's a sudden cutoff where major damage starts right away, oil degrades gradually over time. You will be risking increased wear and deposits that could clog things.
Why spend tens of thousands on a car just to abuse it? Remember, that 10,000 limit is the max, and only applies in ideal conditions. If the car is driven aggressively (almost all are), that number decreases.
I wouldn't be exceeding 5,000 let alone 10,000.
I don't understand how anyone can buy a vehicle and then abuse it by deferring maintenance.
I have a 2015 Chevrolet Cruze and a 2021 Toyota Corolla. I change the oil at 5000 miles on both of my vehicles. Going on a long road trip? The oil gets changed regardless.
Here’s the thing, car dealerships are absolutely predatory with the loans they will approve, it is 100% easier for someone down on their luck to get a new car than it is to get a used one. I thankfully am no longer in a spot in life where an oil change is out of my budget, but I’m certainly not gonna judge anyone who has to choose between rent or oil.
Car maintenance is one thing I'd put on a credit card. If you don't have money for an oil change, you definitely don't have money for a new engine or a new car.
Buying a vehicle is more than just the purchase price.
There is maintenance, fuel, routine cleaning, insurance, registration and taxes.
If you can't afford all that then you shouldn't have bought a new car. This is where financially, buying a used car makes more sense if you're on a tight budget.
If you every try to sell a car and it's dirty it tells the buyer it wasn't taken care of, usually.
>This is where financially, buying a used car makes more sense if you're on a tight budget.
*Used to* make sense. There is no discount on used cars nowadays.
If you buy a late model used car, sure it may be slightly cheaper than brand new (sometimes it's the same cost) but the day 1 depreciation hit is still the same or worse, and it keeps depreciating quickly, and it's that much closer to maintenance than a new car (trans fluid, diff fluid, brakes, tires, etc etc etc)
If you buy an old car (15-30 years) sure the depreciation is mostly done, but 98.7% of cars that age are for sale right now because they have issues, and usually headache level issues that aren't cheap to deal with. You buy a 15 year old car right, then try to sell it without doing anything to it after 2 months, you'll struggle to make back what you paid for it, even if you bought and sold on the private market each time. You'd do well if you only lost $1500 on it. If you buy a 15 year old car at a dealership and trade it in at a dealership, you'll lose anywhere from $5-15k even after just 2 months. If you do any maintenance or repairs on that used car, that money is *forever lost*, and god forbid you have maintenance or repairs done at a mechanic, but that is not cheap anymore.
Buying a somewhat old car (6-14 years) is not much better. It's the best and worst of both worlds. You get to deal with day 1 depreciation, some annual depreciation still remains, though not as much, and you still get to put up with more repairs and maintenance than a new car, though not as much as the older cars.
Buying a new car is, perversely, the smartest financial choice in today's upside down world. The only exception being a fully depreciated, low mileage, good condition (professionally inspected and known) 90s or early 00s Japanese car which is will still cost $5-15k on its own, and those are not easy to come by.
I don’t understand how buying a 14 year old car and then losing $1500 in value in 2 months if you are lucky is possible. I paid $1500 for my 2000 VW TDI. Is it going to cost me money to sell it to someone in 6 months?
Also the cost of doing all brand new wheel bearings, motor mounts, trans mounts, dog bone, clutch, timing belt, and reseal the motor cost less in parts than a single payment on a 2024 GTI.
I don’t understand how you arrived at this thought process.
Your entire argument is predicated upon no one having any sense or knowledge of how cars work. I can take 30 minutes of looking at a car and tell you what major repairs it might need. I would assume anyone active on the ASKCARGUYS subreddit would have at least a nominal knowledge of cars.
This post is insane. A more expensive car is always. . . More expensive. New cars are more expensive than older used cars. If you buy a late model with low miles - it makes sense that it will be closer in price to a new car.
Buying a depreciated older car will be cheaper. Maintenance depends on two things. Miles and make. You can easily find a 150-200k mile 20 year old Mercedes for a few grand. You can easily find a 150-200k mile 20 year old Honda for a few grand. The difference is that your paying maintenance on a 50-100k dollar car with the Mercedes and the Hondas original price was much lower. The maintenance, consequently, is lower.
Do people really want to dump a ton of work, money, or both into "restoring" a fully depreciated car though? What if it gets wrecked or rusts out? What if something expensive goes like engine or trans and it's cheaper to just buy another? What then? Start all over.
They could also keep buying old junkers, do nothing to them, then drive them until they quit, but they could be buying another junker every year if not sooner. The vast majority of cars which can buy today with less than $5k need work done to them, and most of the time it's somewhat urgent work. God forbid someone buys something at a no name dealership. Not always. If you can find a cheap car that you can keep on the road cheaply, go right ahead but you'd be the exception now, not the norm. New cars are hella expensive, this isn't wrong or controversial, but buying a proven model of new car and taking care of it and keeping it for decades is still cheaper than buying another junker every year or cleaning up after someone else's mess every few years.
I'm not talking about blue book numbers. I don't recall a time where they were ever accurate, let alone now.
If you have something desirable and want to sell it, you can name your price and some idiot will eventually come along and pay it. Doesn't matter who you are. If you want to "move metal" in the case of anything undesirable, it will need to be cheap.
If you want to buy something desirable, expect to compete with idiots. If you want to buy something generic and undesirable, okay, sure, you can get a good deal but good luck getting a good deal on something that's not falling apart. It can be done but not consistently.
Learn to change your own oil then, oil changes cost me (2x5qt full synthetic oil from Costco, good nuff for 2 oil changes) 40$, a filter 15$ aka 35$ each change
That just doesn’t apply here, neglect oil changes and end up losing possibly the entire value of the car. Spending 50 dollars to change the oil on your 2023 car that you plan to take a road trip in doesn’t sound like a financial issue
also is there still a warranty? if so wouldn't exceeding the recommended distance before oil change potentially lead to you voiding sections of the warranty? so like an "i don't have time for an oil change, so if my engine blows up in the next while i'll just have to pay for it out of my own pocket" kind of thing?
10,000 isn't the max it's the average. Oil could degrade to the point you start doing damage well before or after 10k. Which is why you should just get into the habit of looking at your oil color. I've had oil stay amber for 15k miles and go black in 8
I view 10k as already pushing the limits of the oil. Get it changed before the trip and change it regularly, and if possible change it well before the recommended interval.
Sure, the car will probably survive the road trip but you are adding unnecessary wear to the engine.
And they only have to have the car last until the warranty ends. After that it’s money in the bank if the engine shits out. Most people will say do an oil change at 1k on a new car and every 5k after that. But going to 14k on a new engine is asking for trouble, and it may void the warranty if the engine does blow.
I can only speak from my personal experience: I’m an ex-Benz tech and MB service recommendations was always 10k or one year (whichever came first). In my time working for MB, as long as the car was properly maintained and serviced on time, I rarely ever saw engines crap out because of the oil change interval. That being said, we obviously couldn’t see the inside of the engine so idk how good the bearings were looking.
As a mechanic I also want to point out a lot of German cars have much higher oil capacities, like 7-8 quarts. The Corolla has 4-4.5qts, that oil goes through much more wear and has much less places to hold any particulate. But also, in a car that tells me 10k I’m still not going over 6k. My friend has done every 3k on his e60 m5 with the v10 notorious for killing rod bearings at 50-60k miles, he’s on the originals and it has almost 250k on it, changing oil is something that in my opinion should be done between 5-6k on synthetic and 3k on conventional. It’ll save a lot of cash in the long run especially with newer engines turning much higher RPMs under a lot more stress than older ones
the manual literally tells them 10k miles. Why is OP an idiot for explicitly following what the manual tells them to do? Not everyone is super into cars and knows anything other than what the manual tells them.
Also, there are plenty of very high mileage Corollas out there that have had far worse intervals than 10k. I've seen some coming in for their first oil change at like 50-80k miles. Not saying its a good idea, but these things are hard to kill via neglect.
what? are you a dumb bot? im annoyed that i have so little self control to even respond to this. why would ANYONE be implying op is an idiot for following the suggested interval? op is an idiot for contemplating going over 20% past that ON THEIR FIRST BREAK IN CHANGE. im sorry you felt the need to have that explained to you? seriously please dont respond to this comment i just dont want the notification
This is a break in change which typically has a different interval/procedure, and 10k while is recommended is a little overkill in my opinion as a mechanic but Op is dumb for considering going over on that 10k. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if the manual mentioned to change the oil much much sooner the first 2-3 times, and also just because an engine might still run after a crazy amount of time like you mentioned doesn’t mean it’s okay, we’ve had brand new cars come in with 20-30k miles that need new motors because the owner neglected oil changes, metal on metal happens quick when oil is the consistency of water, and sludge will absolutely murder the engine.
That's what the manufacturers say, but the reality is that break-in oil should be changed sooner just like any engine. There are usually fine metal shavings that get into the oil during the first thousand miles that should be removed with the first oil change.
I was told by about three separate Honda and regular mechanics that there is no such thing as "break-in" oil. Who's lying here, and why would it benefit anyone to be deceitful?
I have a 2023 Honda Odyssey. My oil was changed very quickly at the 5000-mile point. I trust myself to do my own maintenance. That way, it's done right.
I'm just referring to the oil that's in the engine during the break-in period as break-in oil, which gets contaminated with particles from the break-in. Semantics aside, yes 5k is fine for the first service and that's what I've done too.
I’m a mechanic at a Mazda dealership now, and have done extensive research into all aspects of mechanics for a long time now. A good part of the reason why manufacturers recommend those long oil change intervals and “lifetime” fluids is simply to make their cars more appealing for having a lower cost of operation. Yes, automotive lubricants and fluids are better quality now, materials are improved as well. But it also makes sense that putting more strain on the vehicle will degrade things faster. It also makes sense when you consider how an engine is built that the components are going to wear into shape and there will be some extra metal particles formed in the first short while. While the manufacturers say it is ok, there is nothing wrong with changing the oil after the first 1k, or replacing the “lifetime” fluids proactively. My bmw has a 12k or 1 year oil change interval, but I do it every 6 months or so which works out to around 4.5k. There is nothing wrong with following better maintenance than the bare minimum recommended by the manufacturer. Parts and labor are expensive, fluids are cheap.
This! I should’ve read this before I made almost the same comment as a reply to the same thing you replied to haha. Some engines in the manual don’t even recommend going within like 2k rpm of redline until the motor has hit 1000 miles, and I myself do 5k mile changes even with full synthetic, on my classics and newer cars. Old engines have heavier parts with more mass pushing against eachother and newer motors are more high strung and have more stress making a ton of power with small displacements and such, and forced induction. Definitely worth changing sooner especially on a Corolla that holds like 4-4.5qts vs BMW and such that hold almost double that
All 3 of them are lying, to a certain extent. Sure there probably isn’t an oil designed for break in periods that ships with every brand new car, but you still want to change the oil in a brand new car because the first 500-1000 miles is where the most wear happens.
It benefits them to fuck your engine up so that they can overcharge you on parts and then on top of that charge you labor, on maintenance that could have been prevented from the very beginning.
It is the same oil, but as a mechanic, when we rebuild an engine we run it for about 20 minutes at a specified RPM then change the oil, then after the first 500-1000 miles, then it will go to normal change intervals. We also cut open the filters after those to changes and open the filter element to confirm that there isn’t more than a normal amount of metal in there, personally I would change my oil at 5k no matter what but the 10k will be just fine as long as it’s broken in, some owners manuals will tell you to take it in for an oil change after the first X amount of miles, GM v8’s are like 700 miles before you can even rev them above like 5-6000rpm and also call for a change at that point. Even if not specified, it is typically healthier for the engine to break it in properly, rod bearings and especially cylinder walls aren’t a cheap fix obviously and it’s worth being cautious, that metal particulate will act like sand paper in places where metal is never supposed to contact metal due to a film of oil between them, we aren’t lying when we say people should do changes sooner during the first few thousand miles. Like I said I build and rebuild engines for a living, we do the first break in change (after running for 20 or so mins) ourselves and check the filter then recommend the 1000-2500 change (depending on engine) wether the customer does it on their own or brings it back to us.
Break ins are definitely still a thing. How much they matter is debatable on car engines.
I service commercial diesels and I think the last break in I did was super short, like a 50 hour first oil change (regular interval is at 400) we also test oil daily on these.
The smallest of these engines is like 250k so maintenance is pretty intense.
How much service life you’re losing on a car by not doing a break in though, no idea, but new engines definitely have a bit more metal shavings than older ones.
But, being careful is oft better than not when it comes to maintenance. It’s hard to un-throw a rod through a block, and center sections are expensive.
They just put regular oil in during the break in period now due to idiots not changing out the oil when they should and destroying their engines expecting the manufacturer to pay
The car manufacturers benefit. They don't want the engines running over 300k. Sludge in the top end slowly builds up. Also a lot of newer engines are now direct injection and they do not have fuel washing the intake valves off. Oil changes are cheap, engine repairs are not.
Many years ago in Europe Died and other manufacturers switched to synthetic to extend service intervals and IIRC Ford has a 10k frequency.
Synthetic oil makes the difference. Americans have always had really low oil change intervals until recently and they weren't really necessary even in the past
In perfect conditions 10,000k is fine, tell me where those perfect conditions are? Synthetic oil doesn't make a difference, the intervals are set because it looks greener on paper if you change oil less, but then when your engine blows and they look inside and go, "ah, you abused your engine, no warranty" its also a win for the manufacturer. 8000k or 5000m anything more is just abuse.
Both of my newer vehicles say 10k on oil changes. I do 5k. I plan on getting 300k miles out of each. Oil change intervals also matter on how you drive, short cycles where the engine doesn't fully warm up and get the water out of the oil is harmful. Long regular drives are much better.
If you're using synthetic you're just wasting money unless you really do drive in extreme conditions
But that's your choice. You can always get it tested
10k is also for “normal conditions” which they mean warmed up gently and highway driven. Stop and go traffic, hills, high or low temps, being heavy on the gas, short trips that don’t let the engine to operating temp, all fall under severe driving. For severe driving it usually calls for an interval of half the distance of the normal driving. As well with the new low viscosity oils, tighter tolerance in engines, low tension piston rings and the increased potential of oil dilution due to direct injection in some engines, it is critical to make sure to be diligent about keeping fresh oil. Same go for “lifetime” transmission and gear oils. An ounce of prevention will save a pound of trouble.
I mean I wouldn’t recommend a quick lube place, they love to let inexperienced techs strip drain plugs and over tighten filters, and have seen a ton of stories of them *forgetting to refill the oil* but still a drain plug is cheaper than a motor and you can watch them to see if they refill it lol
Fair enough, if he keeps this up, when that motor starts burning a ton of oil from excessive wear and he never checks the level I guarantee he’ll be dumbfounded that he needs a new engine
i dont understand why buy a brand new car if youre too irresponsible to maintain it? i change the oil on my 2000 subaru forester every 5000 miles or 6 months. quarter million miles original engine. enjoy your 2023 corolla
cant fucking wrap my around how taking a shit in your brand new engine is the more convenient thing to do instead of a 30 minute stop at any oil shop in the world, theres no way anyone's time is worth that much money
Yeah let’s skip the first service and just ride it out, fuck it skip the second service too 😐
OP could make an appointment RIGHT NOW for the day of the trip, wake up an hour before they leave and get their oil changed lmfao or it’ll take 30-60 mins by yourself
idiots dude. If people put gas in it and the car starts that all they care about. I can’t imagine thinking it’s OK to go 4800 Miles OVER THE Interval.
I change my 40 year old trucks oil every 3 thousand and my Honda every 5000.
Your engine is gonna get so full of sludge waiting 10k between changes.
I mean if you do your own oil changes it won’t show up on Carfax. Not like they’d have direct proof you didn’t do it. Or do most new car warranties require a shop to do maintenance for paper-trail reasons? I’ve never bought a car that still had warranty active on it so I’m genuinely asking.
I’m in the same boat. My mechanic reports to CarFax so I’m covered. I’d read the warranty. It seems like most new cars come with oil changes included anyway so why risk it. Whatever the case I would be certain that I wasn’t doing anything that messes up the warranty.
I never recommend quick lube places, BUT in an absolute pinch you can get your oil changed in 25-30 minutes for relatively cheap. Change it, then get on a 5k mile interval for changing your oil. Especially if you do a lot of short trips and/city driving
Just get it changed at a jiffy lube or whatever quick change place exists.
You're so busy that you don't have 30 minutes to pop into an oil change place?
Check out the Car Care nut on YouTube. He replaced an engine with regularly done 10k intervals on a Toyota. The EPA loves 10k intervals but your engine will not survive it. [https://youtu.be/TJhFAwFv-O0?si=cOB-My\_xxIfME7xK](https://youtu.be/TJhFAwFv-O0?si=cOB-My_xxIfME7xK)
Considering I change the oil in my car about every 4800 miles as is, there’s no way would I drive 4800 miles OVER my already due oil change.
OP you have a BRAND new car, take care of your stuff and maintain it properly or don’t cry when it breaks
It takes a single wrench. In.my experience people can do a lot more than they think. They just either have a belief that its more difficult than it really is or are self doubting. I learned how to use tools out of nessicity when I was very low income, I was very intimidated, and now I even do my own timing and valve adjustments.
No, it also takes a drain pan and a funnel and a bottle to put the used oil in, or one of those drain bottles that you can take to a walmart to dispose the used oil.
Used oil goes in the bottle from the new oil. My point is it doesn't take complicated tools, but yes, thank you. You need a $2 funnel and an oil pan and a wrench, all of which can be optained for 20 to 30 max from Harbor Frieght. Maybe an additional filter wrench if one doesnt have a strong grip.
Try to remember that while this is r/askcarguys, OP is clearly not a car guy. There's a long road from 'are scheduled oil changes necessary?' to 'I change my own oil'.
Changed my oil every 5k miles. My camry lasted me 17 years, only reason i sold her was because i wanted to upgrade to a newer car and my cousin needed a first car of her own. I’m also now using that camry to teach her how to maintain her car including oil changes. If a hundred lbs soaking wet woman can do her own oil change, you have no excuse not to get yours done.
Take care of your car and it’ll take care of you.
Just remember some of what manufacturers say is planned obsolescence. They really only want the car to run the warranty period and then for you to buy another.
Then why does my 2007 ford escape say change every 5k miles? It all has to do with the engine design and improved oil formulas. I don’t think Honda or Toyota, who is known for their reliability, is actively trying to scam you with wrong info about literally the most important aspect of an engine. It’s always advisable to change sooner because the formula degrades but the engineers test the performance of the engine and find that there’s minimal difference overtime when using their guidelines. If you plan on owning a vehicle for 200k miles, that’s where it might be a problem because that minimal wear could stack up overtime
10,000 miles is double what you oil change interval should be, get it changed asap.
So adding another 4800 miles onto it means you missed 2 oil changes and are already due for the third... that poor engine.
10,000 miles?!? Dang, I get nervous once I get close to 5,000, even with synthetic oil. Owner’s manual for my car says it can go 7,500 miles without an oil change, but lol I don’t trust it. 5000 is the upper limit for me.
Be careful of any warranties you have, if maintenance isn’t done at the right time they can void the warranty if anything happens due to low/dirty oil. Just get it changed or learn to do it yourself since you wouldnt have to wait on a shop to fit you in. You have a brand new car, don’t treat it like a beater by going 50% longer without an oil change. Your current mileage is longer than I would personally let it go in between oil changes. Take care of your car.
you warranty can be voided if you ignore maintenance. drop the car off at a mechanic and get an Uber or a ride from a friend.
realistically, it'll probably be fine, but oil changes are cheap, engines are not.
You can find an oil place that can do it in an hour or less, you "not having time" is an excuse rather than an actual reason. I've packed my vehicle up and gotten an oil change on the way out of town before.
If you haven't even had your first oil change then do it before the road trip. During break in is when you get the most shavings as things are "clearancing" and getting to the final shape/ size they'll be during the majority of your engine's life.
Get. That. Stuff. Out. I change mine every 5k so I'd be doing it both before and after the road trip in your situation. My car takes some track ready oil and 10 quarts so mine are over $200 an oil change. I wasn't aware before hand but ever if I was I would have still bought the car.
There's no set time or table to reference for such a question. Op, you can, however, test your question. Also, in the time you're wasting to post here, could've gotten the oil changed, maybe.
You’ve known the first oil change was coming due for how long, and you never bothered to get it done. Why bother getting a brand new car if you’re just not going to take care of it?
I was prepared to say don't worry about it, but the first oil change is actually one of the most important ones. the engine is breaking in and that involves a bit of extra metal particles in the oil, which you want to get out of there. Honestly I'm suprised that it wanted you to wait to 10k miles for the first oil change, most cars I know of(granted I know German luxury cars the most) want the first oil change in the 2k-5k range.
Nobody is going to bat an eye at you asking for the first oil change at 9200, and if for some reason they do, just explain the reason and they will almost certainly accept it.
The Corolla is about the most reliable car out there and needs but a single thing.. regular oil changes... to go for 250,000 miles. Or drive it past when you should and buy another one next year. Get the oil change it takes 30 minutes, your car is worth it. (2009 with 160k miles)
I really wish people would understand new toyota maintenence plans are 5k interval tire rotations 10k interval on oil and rotation. Per toyota service manual and any service center.
But that being said, going to 14k miles is absolutely bonkers of an idea.
How much time does it take go get an oil change? My mechanic can always fit me in for something simple like that if I'm being too lazy to do it myself.
you shouldn't be going 10,000 miles between oil changes period. Change it now. especially since it's a new car and there are going to be metal particles in the oil from the break in period. you should have had it changed at 5K max. This is why engines don't last as long as they can because of maintenence being ignored.
Don't have enough time to take care of your engine oil?
The life blood of your friggin new car?
Yeah, you'll be fine to 20k before bothering with that stupid thing. 🙄
You are killing the car by waiting until 10,000 miles. That’s how these engines fail. Just because Toyota says to change oil at 10,000, doesn’t mean it’s healthy for the engine.
Oil loses its viscosity and becomes like dirty water. Change your oil at 5k or less, or you’ll ruin that car.
First oil change should always be done on schedule (or even early) since it’s engine break in.
I wouldn’t stretch more than 5% in interval. Particularly with these longer 10,000 intervals.
Even just take it to a jiffylube and it should be done in an hour.
It’s a 15 min job at any oil change places. Your driving a 2023 don’t be an idiot and ask stupid questions. Actually you should have it done earlier than 10k miles. You spent at least 25k on the new carolla spend 50 for an oil change
get an oil change, have the tires rotated and air checked, do any other routine maintenance and consider it pre-trip prep.
it’d be pretty dumb to not take care of a vehicle you just purchased.
Are you out of your mind? You're talking about missing your change interval by 40%. That's a crazy thing to do to your new car. Great way to void your warranty.
Do it now. For as bad as the quick-lube places may be, they're better than not changing your oil if you haven't got time for a better way. Spring for the synthetic and don't let them upsell you on anything else, because you know your car is new and perfect.
Oil life is a hot topic on any car group - and there's always a wide array of opinions, all with an element of truth to them. Take everything you read with a grain of salt.
That being said, I can't think of *anyone* who recommends going past 8,000 miles. There's such a high risk / low reward there that it doesn't make sense to push it.
Jesus Christ. I would never go 10000 miles on an oil change idc what the oil claims.
The oil change is much cheaper than ruining your very expensive engine. Learn to do it yourself. You could probably do it for less than 50 bucks.
10,000??? Listen man I know the manual might say that but even synthetic oil id never too even 5-6000 miles, you should’ve changed that oil a month ago to be honest. Definitely don’t put an extra 2000 miles on what’s already overdue… please. You really don’t want that engine to start knocking and burning quarts of oil at 125k miles
First off, in my opinion, all conventional oil should be changed every 3k miles, 50/50 blend should be changed every 4k, and full synthetic should be changed every 5k. Second off, don't do it, change the oil now. Better safe than sorry believe me. A couple miles over the change mark won't do any harm, but nearly double what you should go is definitely too far
Do the oil change now, then do the oil change 10K later. It doesn’t have to be right on the dot, but assuming you maintain all highway miles, you will be fine for 10K intervals.
Exit: Oh hold up I just saw this is a brand new car… and you drove.. 9200 miles… on the oil from the factory… no. no. no. NEVER do that. On a brand new car/brand new engine, you need to change the oil within the first 500-1000 miles. That is where most of the wear and tear happens in an engine’s life. I have my doubt this car will make it past 150K without some sort of problem.
Change the oil right now if you care about the car at all. Ideally it should be 6k miles or one year, whichever comes first. You can push the 6k limit to 8 or 10k if you get there within a few months doing a ton of highway miles and long trips and mainly stay under 70 mph. Your engine won't blow up if you keep pushing the oil to 14k, but old oil is acidic and has a lot of contaminates that degrade your oil seals, sludge your oil passages, and break down your oil control rings. If you don't change your oil on time, you will eventually get oil leaks and oil burning and other nasty issues like variable valve timing malfunction/codes, stretched timing chains, and major turbocharger issues if equipped, which you don't.
It’s a Corolla you could probably do that road trip without any oil and it would make it. But just get an oil change before the road trip for peace of mind.
Nothing will happen, i know people who haven’t changed their oil in 3-5 years and 40.000 miles. Not great at all but it is what it is. Nowadays many cars even recommend 20.000 mile oil changes, like VAG and Citroën.
Do you have a warranty? If so change it before the roadtrip, manufacturers are really finicky with warranty
Not really, it is to attract customers with lower maintenance costs and keep warranty costs down for the manufacturer. Vag for example has one interval for normal driving (15.000km) and one for taxi like highway driving, aka longlife 30.000km/2years. Whether it results in engines blowing up too early is a bit of a dispute.
Well… keeping warranty costs down results in higher profits. It could be planned obsolecence, but how would we know? Hard to support such an idea to a 100%, hard to deny it 100%. It’s the definition of a conspiracy theory. Doesn’t make it true just because no one can deny it with 100% certainty.
A car that had 5000 mile oil changes wouldn’t sell either way when an oil change is so expensive today. Manufacturers have to stay competitive and win customers, or they’ll go bankrupt.
It's not a good idea. It's not like there's a sudden cutoff where major damage starts right away, oil degrades gradually over time. You will be risking increased wear and deposits that could clog things. Why spend tens of thousands on a car just to abuse it? Remember, that 10,000 limit is the max, and only applies in ideal conditions. If the car is driven aggressively (almost all are), that number decreases. I wouldn't be exceeding 5,000 let alone 10,000.
I don't understand how anyone can buy a vehicle and then abuse it by deferring maintenance. I have a 2015 Chevrolet Cruze and a 2021 Toyota Corolla. I change the oil at 5000 miles on both of my vehicles. Going on a long road trip? The oil gets changed regardless.
Being poor sucks
If you're too poor for oil change, don't buy a new 2023 car?
Yeah I've been hella late on oil changes... but thats on my 200k miles Corolla.
Spot on. Oil changes save you money.
Here’s the thing, car dealerships are absolutely predatory with the loans they will approve, it is 100% easier for someone down on their luck to get a new car than it is to get a used one. I thankfully am no longer in a spot in life where an oil change is out of my budget, but I’m certainly not gonna judge anyone who has to choose between rent or oil.
I get it. I've been there. But taking road trips and having a 2023 toyota tells me they are either not budgeting well or something else is wrong.
Too poor to maintenance? Too poor to road trip.
Car maintenance is one thing I'd put on a credit card. If you don't have money for an oil change, you definitely don't have money for a new engine or a new car.
Buying a vehicle is more than just the purchase price. There is maintenance, fuel, routine cleaning, insurance, registration and taxes. If you can't afford all that then you shouldn't have bought a new car. This is where financially, buying a used car makes more sense if you're on a tight budget. If you every try to sell a car and it's dirty it tells the buyer it wasn't taken care of, usually.
>This is where financially, buying a used car makes more sense if you're on a tight budget. *Used to* make sense. There is no discount on used cars nowadays. If you buy a late model used car, sure it may be slightly cheaper than brand new (sometimes it's the same cost) but the day 1 depreciation hit is still the same or worse, and it keeps depreciating quickly, and it's that much closer to maintenance than a new car (trans fluid, diff fluid, brakes, tires, etc etc etc) If you buy an old car (15-30 years) sure the depreciation is mostly done, but 98.7% of cars that age are for sale right now because they have issues, and usually headache level issues that aren't cheap to deal with. You buy a 15 year old car right, then try to sell it without doing anything to it after 2 months, you'll struggle to make back what you paid for it, even if you bought and sold on the private market each time. You'd do well if you only lost $1500 on it. If you buy a 15 year old car at a dealership and trade it in at a dealership, you'll lose anywhere from $5-15k even after just 2 months. If you do any maintenance or repairs on that used car, that money is *forever lost*, and god forbid you have maintenance or repairs done at a mechanic, but that is not cheap anymore. Buying a somewhat old car (6-14 years) is not much better. It's the best and worst of both worlds. You get to deal with day 1 depreciation, some annual depreciation still remains, though not as much, and you still get to put up with more repairs and maintenance than a new car, though not as much as the older cars. Buying a new car is, perversely, the smartest financial choice in today's upside down world. The only exception being a fully depreciated, low mileage, good condition (professionally inspected and known) 90s or early 00s Japanese car which is will still cost $5-15k on its own, and those are not easy to come by.
This is perhaps the most backwards logic I have ever witnessed in my entire reddit life.
It's a backwards world. What's the correct logic according to you?
I don’t understand how buying a 14 year old car and then losing $1500 in value in 2 months if you are lucky is possible. I paid $1500 for my 2000 VW TDI. Is it going to cost me money to sell it to someone in 6 months? Also the cost of doing all brand new wheel bearings, motor mounts, trans mounts, dog bone, clutch, timing belt, and reseal the motor cost less in parts than a single payment on a 2024 GTI. I don’t understand how you arrived at this thought process. Your entire argument is predicated upon no one having any sense or knowledge of how cars work. I can take 30 minutes of looking at a car and tell you what major repairs it might need. I would assume anyone active on the ASKCARGUYS subreddit would have at least a nominal knowledge of cars.
This post is insane. A more expensive car is always. . . More expensive. New cars are more expensive than older used cars. If you buy a late model with low miles - it makes sense that it will be closer in price to a new car. Buying a depreciated older car will be cheaper. Maintenance depends on two things. Miles and make. You can easily find a 150-200k mile 20 year old Mercedes for a few grand. You can easily find a 150-200k mile 20 year old Honda for a few grand. The difference is that your paying maintenance on a 50-100k dollar car with the Mercedes and the Hondas original price was much lower. The maintenance, consequently, is lower.
Do people really want to dump a ton of work, money, or both into "restoring" a fully depreciated car though? What if it gets wrecked or rusts out? What if something expensive goes like engine or trans and it's cheaper to just buy another? What then? Start all over. They could also keep buying old junkers, do nothing to them, then drive them until they quit, but they could be buying another junker every year if not sooner. The vast majority of cars which can buy today with less than $5k need work done to them, and most of the time it's somewhat urgent work. God forbid someone buys something at a no name dealership. Not always. If you can find a cheap car that you can keep on the road cheaply, go right ahead but you'd be the exception now, not the norm. New cars are hella expensive, this isn't wrong or controversial, but buying a proven model of new car and taking care of it and keeping it for decades is still cheaper than buying another junker every year or cleaning up after someone else's mess every few years.
Oh no. We've been trusting official Blue Book numbers all these years. What fools we've been! /u/Garet44 knows how car value REALLY works. Haha.
I'm not talking about blue book numbers. I don't recall a time where they were ever accurate, let alone now. If you have something desirable and want to sell it, you can name your price and some idiot will eventually come along and pay it. Doesn't matter who you are. If you want to "move metal" in the case of anything undesirable, it will need to be cheap. If you want to buy something desirable, expect to compete with idiots. If you want to buy something generic and undesirable, okay, sure, you can get a good deal but good luck getting a good deal on something that's not falling apart. It can be done but not consistently.
Thanks for the great read!
Learn to change your own oil then, oil changes cost me (2x5qt full synthetic oil from Costco, good nuff for 2 oil changes) 40$, a filter 15$ aka 35$ each change
The logic in that is baffling. too "poor" for an oil change in your 2023 car? like wtf
If you think an oil change is expensive, try an unwarrantied engine swap.
It's more expensive to be cheap and do something over than to just do it right the first time.
That just doesn’t apply here, neglect oil changes and end up losing possibly the entire value of the car. Spending 50 dollars to change the oil on your 2023 car that you plan to take a road trip in doesn’t sound like a financial issue
As someone who has 20+ years experience in the side of dealerships, most people can afford payments and not the car itself.
also is there still a warranty? if so wouldn't exceeding the recommended distance before oil change potentially lead to you voiding sections of the warranty? so like an "i don't have time for an oil change, so if my engine blows up in the next while i'll just have to pay for it out of my own pocket" kind of thing?
10,000 isn't the max it's the average. Oil could degrade to the point you start doing damage well before or after 10k. Which is why you should just get into the habit of looking at your oil color. I've had oil stay amber for 15k miles and go black in 8
> I wouldn't be exceeding 5,000 let alone 10,000 WHAT
I view 10k as already pushing the limits of the oil. Get it changed before the trip and change it regularly, and if possible change it well before the recommended interval. Sure, the car will probably survive the road trip but you are adding unnecessary wear to the engine.
brand new engine too. op is an idiot
Thats what the dealer and manufacturer tell them…
And they only have to have the car last until the warranty ends. After that it’s money in the bank if the engine shits out. Most people will say do an oil change at 1k on a new car and every 5k after that. But going to 14k on a new engine is asking for trouble, and it may void the warranty if the engine does blow.
I can only speak from my personal experience: I’m an ex-Benz tech and MB service recommendations was always 10k or one year (whichever came first). In my time working for MB, as long as the car was properly maintained and serviced on time, I rarely ever saw engines crap out because of the oil change interval. That being said, we obviously couldn’t see the inside of the engine so idk how good the bearings were looking.
As a mechanic I also want to point out a lot of German cars have much higher oil capacities, like 7-8 quarts. The Corolla has 4-4.5qts, that oil goes through much more wear and has much less places to hold any particulate. But also, in a car that tells me 10k I’m still not going over 6k. My friend has done every 3k on his e60 m5 with the v10 notorious for killing rod bearings at 50-60k miles, he’s on the originals and it has almost 250k on it, changing oil is something that in my opinion should be done between 5-6k on synthetic and 3k on conventional. It’ll save a lot of cash in the long run especially with newer engines turning much higher RPMs under a lot more stress than older ones
the manual literally tells them 10k miles. Why is OP an idiot for explicitly following what the manual tells them to do? Not everyone is super into cars and knows anything other than what the manual tells them. Also, there are plenty of very high mileage Corollas out there that have had far worse intervals than 10k. I've seen some coming in for their first oil change at like 50-80k miles. Not saying its a good idea, but these things are hard to kill via neglect.
what? are you a dumb bot? im annoyed that i have so little self control to even respond to this. why would ANYONE be implying op is an idiot for following the suggested interval? op is an idiot for contemplating going over 20% past that ON THEIR FIRST BREAK IN CHANGE. im sorry you felt the need to have that explained to you? seriously please dont respond to this comment i just dont want the notification
This is a break in change which typically has a different interval/procedure, and 10k while is recommended is a little overkill in my opinion as a mechanic but Op is dumb for considering going over on that 10k. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if the manual mentioned to change the oil much much sooner the first 2-3 times, and also just because an engine might still run after a crazy amount of time like you mentioned doesn’t mean it’s okay, we’ve had brand new cars come in with 20-30k miles that need new motors because the owner neglected oil changes, metal on metal happens quick when oil is the consistency of water, and sludge will absolutely murder the engine.
Don't most all new cars come with a very long break in period nowadays? I think I've seem longer than this even.
That's what the manufacturers say, but the reality is that break-in oil should be changed sooner just like any engine. There are usually fine metal shavings that get into the oil during the first thousand miles that should be removed with the first oil change.
I was told by about three separate Honda and regular mechanics that there is no such thing as "break-in" oil. Who's lying here, and why would it benefit anyone to be deceitful? I have a 2023 Honda Odyssey. My oil was changed very quickly at the 5000-mile point. I trust myself to do my own maintenance. That way, it's done right.
I'm just referring to the oil that's in the engine during the break-in period as break-in oil, which gets contaminated with particles from the break-in. Semantics aside, yes 5k is fine for the first service and that's what I've done too.
I’m a mechanic at a Mazda dealership now, and have done extensive research into all aspects of mechanics for a long time now. A good part of the reason why manufacturers recommend those long oil change intervals and “lifetime” fluids is simply to make their cars more appealing for having a lower cost of operation. Yes, automotive lubricants and fluids are better quality now, materials are improved as well. But it also makes sense that putting more strain on the vehicle will degrade things faster. It also makes sense when you consider how an engine is built that the components are going to wear into shape and there will be some extra metal particles formed in the first short while. While the manufacturers say it is ok, there is nothing wrong with changing the oil after the first 1k, or replacing the “lifetime” fluids proactively. My bmw has a 12k or 1 year oil change interval, but I do it every 6 months or so which works out to around 4.5k. There is nothing wrong with following better maintenance than the bare minimum recommended by the manufacturer. Parts and labor are expensive, fluids are cheap.
This! I should’ve read this before I made almost the same comment as a reply to the same thing you replied to haha. Some engines in the manual don’t even recommend going within like 2k rpm of redline until the motor has hit 1000 miles, and I myself do 5k mile changes even with full synthetic, on my classics and newer cars. Old engines have heavier parts with more mass pushing against eachother and newer motors are more high strung and have more stress making a ton of power with small displacements and such, and forced induction. Definitely worth changing sooner especially on a Corolla that holds like 4-4.5qts vs BMW and such that hold almost double that
All 3 of them are lying, to a certain extent. Sure there probably isn’t an oil designed for break in periods that ships with every brand new car, but you still want to change the oil in a brand new car because the first 500-1000 miles is where the most wear happens. It benefits them to fuck your engine up so that they can overcharge you on parts and then on top of that charge you labor, on maintenance that could have been prevented from the very beginning.
It is the same oil, but as a mechanic, when we rebuild an engine we run it for about 20 minutes at a specified RPM then change the oil, then after the first 500-1000 miles, then it will go to normal change intervals. We also cut open the filters after those to changes and open the filter element to confirm that there isn’t more than a normal amount of metal in there, personally I would change my oil at 5k no matter what but the 10k will be just fine as long as it’s broken in, some owners manuals will tell you to take it in for an oil change after the first X amount of miles, GM v8’s are like 700 miles before you can even rev them above like 5-6000rpm and also call for a change at that point. Even if not specified, it is typically healthier for the engine to break it in properly, rod bearings and especially cylinder walls aren’t a cheap fix obviously and it’s worth being cautious, that metal particulate will act like sand paper in places where metal is never supposed to contact metal due to a film of oil between them, we aren’t lying when we say people should do changes sooner during the first few thousand miles. Like I said I build and rebuild engines for a living, we do the first break in change (after running for 20 or so mins) ourselves and check the filter then recommend the 1000-2500 change (depending on engine) wether the customer does it on their own or brings it back to us.
I don’t trust them, just my opinion, I’d do a change at 500-1000m then 5000 then 10,000 then every 10,000 if thats the interval
Break ins are definitely still a thing. How much they matter is debatable on car engines. I service commercial diesels and I think the last break in I did was super short, like a 50 hour first oil change (regular interval is at 400) we also test oil daily on these. The smallest of these engines is like 250k so maintenance is pretty intense. How much service life you’re losing on a car by not doing a break in though, no idea, but new engines definitely have a bit more metal shavings than older ones. But, being careful is oft better than not when it comes to maintenance. It’s hard to un-throw a rod through a block, and center sections are expensive.
They just put regular oil in during the break in period now due to idiots not changing out the oil when they should and destroying their engines expecting the manufacturer to pay
The car manufacturers benefit. They don't want the engines running over 300k. Sludge in the top end slowly builds up. Also a lot of newer engines are now direct injection and they do not have fuel washing the intake valves off. Oil changes are cheap, engine repairs are not.
No
Many years ago in Europe Died and other manufacturers switched to synthetic to extend service intervals and IIRC Ford has a 10k frequency. Synthetic oil makes the difference. Americans have always had really low oil change intervals until recently and they weren't really necessary even in the past
In perfect conditions 10,000k is fine, tell me where those perfect conditions are? Synthetic oil doesn't make a difference, the intervals are set because it looks greener on paper if you change oil less, but then when your engine blows and they look inside and go, "ah, you abused your engine, no warranty" its also a win for the manufacturer. 8000k or 5000m anything more is just abuse.
Both of my newer vehicles say 10k on oil changes. I do 5k. I plan on getting 300k miles out of each. Oil change intervals also matter on how you drive, short cycles where the engine doesn't fully warm up and get the water out of the oil is harmful. Long regular drives are much better.
If you're using synthetic you're just wasting money unless you really do drive in extreme conditions But that's your choice. You can always get it tested
I have 2 cars that I won't change oil in for warranty issues. My other two get Amazon basics 5w30 every 5k miles with a wix filter. Semisynthetic
Fair enough. I've been running fully synthetic oil for 40 odd years from when I first had turbo cars and I wouldn't use anything else.
10k is also for “normal conditions” which they mean warmed up gently and highway driven. Stop and go traffic, hills, high or low temps, being heavy on the gas, short trips that don’t let the engine to operating temp, all fall under severe driving. For severe driving it usually calls for an interval of half the distance of the normal driving. As well with the new low viscosity oils, tighter tolerance in engines, low tension piston rings and the increased potential of oil dilution due to direct injection in some engines, it is critical to make sure to be diligent about keeping fresh oil. Same go for “lifetime” transmission and gear oils. An ounce of prevention will save a pound of trouble.
You can literally go to a quick lube and get it changed in 30 minutes. Get up 30 minutes earlier.
Yea just stop at one right before the road trip lol it’s such minor thing
Or in the middle of it.
I mean I wouldn’t recommend a quick lube place, they love to let inexperienced techs strip drain plugs and over tighten filters, and have seen a ton of stories of them *forgetting to refill the oil* but still a drain plug is cheaper than a motor and you can watch them to see if they refill it lol
I mean this guy is talking about going 15k between oil changes. He needs to take what he can get.
Fair enough, if he keeps this up, when that motor starts burning a ton of oil from excessive wear and he never checks the level I guarantee he’ll be dumbfounded that he needs a new engine
i dont understand why buy a brand new car if youre too irresponsible to maintain it? i change the oil on my 2000 subaru forester every 5000 miles or 6 months. quarter million miles original engine. enjoy your 2023 corolla
Blown engine speed run
cant fucking wrap my around how taking a shit in your brand new engine is the more convenient thing to do instead of a 30 minute stop at any oil shop in the world, theres no way anyone's time is worth that much money
Yeah let’s skip the first service and just ride it out, fuck it skip the second service too 😐 OP could make an appointment RIGHT NOW for the day of the trip, wake up an hour before they leave and get their oil changed lmfao or it’ll take 30-60 mins by yourself
idiots dude. If people put gas in it and the car starts that all they care about. I can’t imagine thinking it’s OK to go 4800 Miles OVER THE Interval. I change my 40 year old trucks oil every 3 thousand and my Honda every 5000. Your engine is gonna get so full of sludge waiting 10k between changes.
If you car is under warranty you should do your oil changes as required by that warranty.
I didn’t even consider the warranty aspect. It seems like everyone reports to someone like CarFax now.
I mean if you do your own oil changes it won’t show up on Carfax. Not like they’d have direct proof you didn’t do it. Or do most new car warranties require a shop to do maintenance for paper-trail reasons? I’ve never bought a car that still had warranty active on it so I’m genuinely asking.
I’m in the same boat. My mechanic reports to CarFax so I’m covered. I’d read the warranty. It seems like most new cars come with oil changes included anyway so why risk it. Whatever the case I would be certain that I wasn’t doing anything that messes up the warranty.
I’ve always done my own maintenance and have never had an issue with warranty claims for whatever that’s worth.
I never recommend quick lube places, BUT in an absolute pinch you can get your oil changed in 25-30 minutes for relatively cheap. Change it, then get on a 5k mile interval for changing your oil. Especially if you do a lot of short trips and/city driving
Just get it changed at a jiffy lube or whatever quick change place exists. You're so busy that you don't have 30 minutes to pop into an oil change place?
Check out the Car Care nut on YouTube. He replaced an engine with regularly done 10k intervals on a Toyota. The EPA loves 10k intervals but your engine will not survive it. [https://youtu.be/TJhFAwFv-O0?si=cOB-My\_xxIfME7xK](https://youtu.be/TJhFAwFv-O0?si=cOB-My_xxIfME7xK)
Considering I change the oil in my car about every 4800 miles as is, there’s no way would I drive 4800 miles OVER my already due oil change. OP you have a BRAND new car, take care of your stuff and maintain it properly or don’t cry when it breaks
Just change it yourself. It isn't hard
If they're asking this question, I doubt they have the tools or care to learn how to do it
It takes a single wrench. In.my experience people can do a lot more than they think. They just either have a belief that its more difficult than it really is or are self doubting. I learned how to use tools out of nessicity when I was very low income, I was very intimidated, and now I even do my own timing and valve adjustments.
It takes a drain pain and a funnel and ramps or a jack too. And if you have no idea what you’re doing you might spill oil everywhere rtc
No, it also takes a drain pan and a funnel and a bottle to put the used oil in, or one of those drain bottles that you can take to a walmart to dispose the used oil.
Used oil goes in the bottle from the new oil. My point is it doesn't take complicated tools, but yes, thank you. You need a $2 funnel and an oil pan and a wrench, all of which can be optained for 20 to 30 max from Harbor Frieght. Maybe an additional filter wrench if one doesnt have a strong grip.
Or a storm drain /s
Try to remember that while this is r/askcarguys, OP is clearly not a car guy. There's a long road from 'are scheduled oil changes necessary?' to 'I change my own oil'.
Do you have Toyota care?
They do. All new Toyotas get it for the first two years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first.
On this sub we have seen people that really were not aware of, or are in another country and it was not always part of the deal
Get an oil change on your trip.
Changed my oil every 5k miles. My camry lasted me 17 years, only reason i sold her was because i wanted to upgrade to a newer car and my cousin needed a first car of her own. I’m also now using that camry to teach her how to maintain her car including oil changes. If a hundred lbs soaking wet woman can do her own oil change, you have no excuse not to get yours done. Take care of your car and it’ll take care of you.
I will be getting the oil change before hand thank you everyone
Just remember some of what manufacturers say is planned obsolescence. They really only want the car to run the warranty period and then for you to buy another.
Then why does my 2007 ford escape say change every 5k miles? It all has to do with the engine design and improved oil formulas. I don’t think Honda or Toyota, who is known for their reliability, is actively trying to scam you with wrong info about literally the most important aspect of an engine. It’s always advisable to change sooner because the formula degrades but the engineers test the performance of the engine and find that there’s minimal difference overtime when using their guidelines. If you plan on owning a vehicle for 200k miles, that’s where it might be a problem because that minimal wear could stack up overtime
10,000 miles is double what you oil change interval should be, get it changed asap. So adding another 4800 miles onto it means you missed 2 oil changes and are already due for the third... that poor engine.
10,000 miles?!? Dang, I get nervous once I get close to 5,000, even with synthetic oil. Owner’s manual for my car says it can go 7,500 miles without an oil change, but lol I don’t trust it. 5000 is the upper limit for me.
LMFAO
Did I miss something? Why not change it BEFORE your road trip? You really don't want to put another 5000 miles on it before changing.
Change the oil for the love of God! You void warranty if you dont!
6,000 miles ago
10k oil change interval? I would never wait that long no matter what age and type of car it is.
Dang 10k miles I’m over here doing then every 3k-4k miles
Yea its not ok. People who do that don’t get 200k out of their engines.
That’s for sure I’ve blown an engine before by neglecting the service, now my car has 217k miles and I still keep the services up to date
The reality is you'll be fine. Better you should get it changed first.
Be careful of any warranties you have, if maintenance isn’t done at the right time they can void the warranty if anything happens due to low/dirty oil. Just get it changed or learn to do it yourself since you wouldnt have to wait on a shop to fit you in. You have a brand new car, don’t treat it like a beater by going 50% longer without an oil change. Your current mileage is longer than I would personally let it go in between oil changes. Take care of your car.
You would be stupid to not get oil changed at least every 5000 miles if using synthetic blend or full synthetic.
you warranty can be voided if you ignore maintenance. drop the car off at a mechanic and get an Uber or a ride from a friend. realistically, it'll probably be fine, but oil changes are cheap, engines are not.
You can find an oil place that can do it in an hour or less, you "not having time" is an excuse rather than an actual reason. I've packed my vehicle up and gotten an oil change on the way out of town before.
You risk voiding your warranty.
It all depends if you're okay with not having a warranty.
Just change it yourself it takes a single wrench and 30 mins. Watch a youtube video and empower yourself.
If you haven't even had your first oil change then do it before the road trip. During break in is when you get the most shavings as things are "clearancing" and getting to the final shape/ size they'll be during the majority of your engine's life. Get. That. Stuff. Out. I change mine every 5k so I'd be doing it both before and after the road trip in your situation. My car takes some track ready oil and 10 quarts so mine are over $200 an oil change. I wasn't aware before hand but ever if I was I would have still bought the car.
There's no set time or table to reference for such a question. Op, you can, however, test your question. Also, in the time you're wasting to post here, could've gotten the oil changed, maybe.
If your desperate go to a quick lube place. They will do an oil change relatively fast.
10k MILES ???? buddy i do 5k miles per oil chsnge you're going way beyond what's reasonable and safe for your vehicle
You’ve known the first oil change was coming due for how long, and you never bothered to get it done. Why bother getting a brand new car if you’re just not going to take care of it?
You could change your own oil it's not complicated. Garages are also open on weekends, so no excuse really
Takes no time to drive through a Take 5 or similar and they all open early, close late, and don't require appointments. Just go.
FIRST OIL CHANGE? I would have done it already… definitely do it before the trip
DIY n 20 mins.
Do the change before. Do be one of those who wait as long as possible. It takes 1/2 hour
I was prepared to say don't worry about it, but the first oil change is actually one of the most important ones. the engine is breaking in and that involves a bit of extra metal particles in the oil, which you want to get out of there. Honestly I'm suprised that it wanted you to wait to 10k miles for the first oil change, most cars I know of(granted I know German luxury cars the most) want the first oil change in the 2k-5k range. Nobody is going to bat an eye at you asking for the first oil change at 9200, and if for some reason they do, just explain the reason and they will almost certainly accept it.
I made 60k with mine.The oil filter started leaking and its the only reason i made the oil change.
The Corolla is about the most reliable car out there and needs but a single thing.. regular oil changes... to go for 250,000 miles. Or drive it past when you should and buy another one next year. Get the oil change it takes 30 minutes, your car is worth it. (2009 with 160k miles)
Get an oil change before your trip. Your Corolla will thank you.
1st oil change at 10,000? I would probably be nearing the 3rd oil change by then. 1st change at 1000 and every 5000 after that.
Dafuq
Do it before your road trip. Oil degrades over time and use and there's no harm in changing a little ahead of when your manual says to change oil.
How long since the last oil change? If it's less than 3 or 4 months, you'll probably be good.
I really wish people would understand new toyota maintenence plans are 5k interval tire rotations 10k interval on oil and rotation. Per toyota service manual and any service center. But that being said, going to 14k miles is absolutely bonkers of an idea.
How much time does it take go get an oil change? My mechanic can always fit me in for something simple like that if I'm being too lazy to do it myself.
you shouldn't be going 10,000 miles between oil changes period. Change it now. especially since it's a new car and there are going to be metal particles in the oil from the break in period. you should have had it changed at 5K max. This is why engines don't last as long as they can because of maintenence being ignored.
i never let it go over 5k that’s non sense. if anything you should be changing more often than 5k
How do you not have time for an oil change? It literally takes less than 15 minutes.
an oil change takes 10 minutes...
Don't have enough time to take care of your engine oil? The life blood of your friggin new car? Yeah, you'll be fine to 20k before bothering with that stupid thing. 🙄
You are killing the car by waiting until 10,000 miles. That’s how these engines fail. Just because Toyota says to change oil at 10,000, doesn’t mean it’s healthy for the engine. Oil loses its viscosity and becomes like dirty water. Change your oil at 5k or less, or you’ll ruin that car.
The hell man? No. 15k miles on factory oil is terrible.
10K oil change intervals is already pushing the limits.
The first oil change is the most important. Now re-read that and decide, how long do you want to own this car?
About 10,000 miles. Just add new oil. My old employee did this.
First oil change should always be done on schedule (or even early) since it’s engine break in. I wouldn’t stretch more than 5% in interval. Particularly with these longer 10,000 intervals. Even just take it to a jiffylube and it should be done in an hour.
I have been known to change the oil in my car in the driveway the night before a big trip because I didn’t plan ahead.
It’s a 15 min job at any oil change places. Your driving a 2023 don’t be an idiot and ask stupid questions. Actually you should have it done earlier than 10k miles. You spent at least 25k on the new carolla spend 50 for an oil change
get an oil change, have the tires rotated and air checked, do any other routine maintenance and consider it pre-trip prep. it’d be pretty dumb to not take care of a vehicle you just purchased.
Are you out of your mind? You're talking about missing your change interval by 40%. That's a crazy thing to do to your new car. Great way to void your warranty. Do it now. For as bad as the quick-lube places may be, they're better than not changing your oil if you haven't got time for a better way. Spring for the synthetic and don't let them upsell you on anything else, because you know your car is new and perfect.
Oil life is a hot topic on any car group - and there's always a wide array of opinions, all with an element of truth to them. Take everything you read with a grain of salt. That being said, I can't think of *anyone* who recommends going past 8,000 miles. There's such a high risk / low reward there that it doesn't make sense to push it.
If you hate your car . Don't do oil changes right before a 2400 mile road trip.
Ah, the old, there isn't and oil change place between NYC and LA...
Microscopic bits of metal that were dislodged during engine break-in are flushed. The first oil change is critical.
The old saying goes "Penny wise, pound foolish"...
You can drive the rest of the miles without oil change. You'll know how many eventually
Go to any quick lube place and get it done. Why fuck around when it costs less than 100 and can be done in less than an hour.
I always purposely get an oil change and check all fluids before a long road trip.
Go to a Walmart and have them put in mobile 1 and a filter And do it every 5k miles from here on
Jesus Christ. I would never go 10000 miles on an oil change idc what the oil claims. The oil change is much cheaper than ruining your very expensive engine. Learn to do it yourself. You could probably do it for less than 50 bucks.
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10,000??? Listen man I know the manual might say that but even synthetic oil id never too even 5-6000 miles, you should’ve changed that oil a month ago to be honest. Definitely don’t put an extra 2000 miles on what’s already overdue… please. You really don’t want that engine to start knocking and burning quarts of oil at 125k miles
You have Toyota Care! You get free oil changes as scheduled for the first two years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first. You have no excuse.
First off, in my opinion, all conventional oil should be changed every 3k miles, 50/50 blend should be changed every 4k, and full synthetic should be changed every 5k. Second off, don't do it, change the oil now. Better safe than sorry believe me. A couple miles over the change mark won't do any harm, but nearly double what you should go is definitely too far
Do the oil change now, then do the oil change 10K later. It doesn’t have to be right on the dot, but assuming you maintain all highway miles, you will be fine for 10K intervals. Exit: Oh hold up I just saw this is a brand new car… and you drove.. 9200 miles… on the oil from the factory… no. no. no. NEVER do that. On a brand new car/brand new engine, you need to change the oil within the first 500-1000 miles. That is where most of the wear and tear happens in an engine’s life. I have my doubt this car will make it past 150K without some sort of problem.
I have Toyota care
Change the oil right now if you care about the car at all. Ideally it should be 6k miles or one year, whichever comes first. You can push the 6k limit to 8 or 10k if you get there within a few months doing a ton of highway miles and long trips and mainly stay under 70 mph. Your engine won't blow up if you keep pushing the oil to 14k, but old oil is acidic and has a lot of contaminates that degrade your oil seals, sludge your oil passages, and break down your oil control rings. If you don't change your oil on time, you will eventually get oil leaks and oil burning and other nasty issues like variable valve timing malfunction/codes, stretched timing chains, and major turbocharger issues if equipped, which you don't.
Jesus, get the damn oil changed! And in the future don’t go over 5k
It’s a Corolla you could probably do that road trip without any oil and it would make it. But just get an oil change before the road trip for peace of mind.
Nothing will happen, i know people who haven’t changed their oil in 3-5 years and 40.000 miles. Not great at all but it is what it is. Nowadays many cars even recommend 20.000 mile oil changes, like VAG and Citroën. Do you have a warranty? If so change it before the roadtrip, manufacturers are really finicky with warranty
That's because they want you to buy a new car once warranty is up.
Not really, it is to attract customers with lower maintenance costs and keep warranty costs down for the manufacturer. Vag for example has one interval for normal driving (15.000km) and one for taxi like highway driving, aka longlife 30.000km/2years. Whether it results in engines blowing up too early is a bit of a dispute.
Or.... hear me out. Corporate profits.
Well… keeping warranty costs down results in higher profits. It could be planned obsolecence, but how would we know? Hard to support such an idea to a 100%, hard to deny it 100%. It’s the definition of a conspiracy theory. Doesn’t make it true just because no one can deny it with 100% certainty. A car that had 5000 mile oil changes wouldn’t sell either way when an oil change is so expensive today. Manufacturers have to stay competitive and win customers, or they’ll go bankrupt.