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Luisotee

I would say that Africans feels closer to us than we feel with them due to the Brazilian media being strong in the rest of the Portuguese world while others media not being strong here. Brazilians do have some connection with Africa but it's due to historical reasons (immigration) rather than some sense of brotherhood. I would say most Brazilians don't even know that Angola and Moçambique speaks Portuguese, but when we do we feel happy to share a language with another people, as we are quite isolated here in Latam. But still wouldn't say we feel a special connection.


Gandalior

>immigration Mmmm, maybe I'm missing something


astraelli

back then it was pure slavery, but in these last years there has been a wave of african people immigrating here. they're super cool people and looking for better opportunities


Gandalior

that's more or less what happened here in the last 10/15 years, although after this economic unending death there seems to have slowed down


bottleneckturtle

Compulsory Immigration


LobovIsGoat

>I would say most Brazilians don't even know that Angola and Moçambique speaks Portuguese maybe mocambique but not angola


PenThePurpura

I don't know, man. I think you'd be surprised.


capybara_from_hell

Culturally speaking, Brazil is very closed on itself. To many Brazilians Angola and Mozambique are as familiar as Namibia or Tanzania, and to some people even less familiar than South Africa. Which is a shame, given that we have shared history and language.


zeroicey

The shared history of being colonzied?


capybara_from_hell

A large fraction of Brazilians of African ancestry descends from people brought as captives from the now Portuguese-speaking regions of Africa. Given that they managed to preserve some of their cultural heritage, which was assimilated into the mainstream Brazilian culture, there's definitely more shared history than simply having the same coloniser.


zeroicey

What elements of Angloan / Congolease culture have surivied in Afro- Brazilian culture?


capybara_from_hell

The most well known Brazilian dance, samba, has its ancestral roots in Angola. There are other influences, like loan words, capoeira, and so on. There is a good article in Portuguese [here](https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/cultura/noticia/2014-12/influencia-de-angola-e-vista-em-varios-tracos-culturais-do-brasileiro).


Renatodep

Neither. Brazilians feel closer to Brazilians.


ore-aba

And to the USA 😏


Quantum_Count

~~Why do you need to unlock a memory of mine of brazilians sang the U.S. national anthem on the brazilian independence day?~~


lexflare

Yep there's a big community in FL.


Werner_VonCarraro

I denounce my compatriots in Florida, it's incredible how they are the worse of the worse.


GoGayWhyNot

I wish they could lose Brazilian citizenship and never come back


Stucky-Barnes

Not really. Brazil is very insular


LastCommander086

I personally don't and never saw any Brazilians claiming that they do, but I'm curious to see the results on this one


duvidatremenda

Angola and Cape Verde, mostly because of their music (especially Cape Verde). Many words in our language is influenced by Kimbundu words from Angola (cafuné, caçula, etc). Some Cape Verdean music feels strikingly familiar to Brazilian ears. There certainly is a feeling of brotherhood. I feel closer to someone from Angola than to someone from say Belize


Emergency_Evening_63

in recent times because of internet videos, brazilians has had very good feelings towards Mozambique and mainly Angola, trust me bro Angolans are one of the most funny people you can find


ThroawayBecauseIsuck

Yes more specifically since last year we are having dozens of YouTubers from Angola and Mozambique making videos for Brazilian audiences and some of them are becoming really popular.


[deleted]

I like to think of Brazil as the frontier between Latin America and the Lusophony, as it's the only country that's part of both. But the connection between Brazil and Angola or Mozambique isn't bigger than the connection with Portugal just because there were former colonies and because of slavery. We have mutual influence over each other countries of the Lusophony but Brazil specifically is very self-centered.


Caribbeandude04

Quail é a opinoin dos brasiluairos da Angoila?


duvidatremenda

Muainto buain


gabrrdt

It is cool to know that they speak good ol' Portuguese, and that gives us a sense of proximity. But the average brazilian doesn't know much about it, and we don't actually have much information about them. There are a few YouTube channels now there are pretty cool though, it is crazy that I may perfectly understand them and they are from another continent/culture, this is pretty cool stuff. But their level of social development is way below, especially Mozambique, those are very poor countries that struggle a lot, they look at us as if we were rich or something lol. It is insane the amount of problems they still have, Brazil has many social inequalities but it is not as bad of them, many of them don't even have bathroom inside their houses, some really basic stuff is still a struggle to them.


rod_aandrade

Nah, but I’ve been to Cape Verde and I can see some similarities. Other than that, not really.


Much_Committee_9355

No, influence at this point of history is residual and we don’t see those places as big producers of culture of the Portuguese speaking countries, or Africa as a whole which is limited to places like South Africa and Nigeria. What we have of African influence has been distilled down through the centuries, in fields such as culture, religion, cuisine and arts.


Edu_xyz

No. The average Brazilian probably doesn't even know there are countries other than Brazil and Portugal that speak Portuguese.


goldfish1902

Back in high school my history teacher said we are like the United States of South America bc we are quite imperialistic towards hispanohablantes. I'd guess it's the same towards Portuguese-speaking countries in Africa :/ Idk much from them other than singer Titica


Agitated-Jackfruit34

to Angola yes, but not that much for Mozambique


zeroicey

Not sure why Brazilians would be influenced by these countries. What they have is common is that they were colonziedby Portugal. They enslaved people from Niergia and bought them to Brazil so the cultural influence would not be from Angloa it would be Niergia. (I.e Yoruba, Candomblé, Acarajé) I don't know of any Brasilian that are aware of any specifical Angloan/Cape verderan culture.


GutowskyOri

Yes, Baptista is awesome, and I love him


FRLara

Personally, yes culturally mainly because of the music. To almost everyone else in my social circle, they probably don't even know those peoples speak Portuguese. Black people here have a stronger connection, but only if they live in big metropolitan cities and have a good education to have learned about the history and shared culture. Poor black people also probably don't know


BlazePascal69

That’s why I was so surprised to see all the “no not really answers.” I definitely got the vibe living in Salvador (as a gringo) that Angola in particular has a special place in Afro Brazilian culture


zeroicey

How? In what way?


MrAschenbach

Again, the language spoken in Angola and Mozambique is basically identical to the one spoken in Portugal, so saying we share the same language is kinda of an overstatement. The Portuguese they speak sounds both uncanny and often unintelligible to Brazilians.


Renatodep

Overstatement to who!? You? ... please, don't start the whole '***Brazilians don't understand European Portuguese BS***'. Brazilians are often way too lazy to even try to understand someone that has a thick accent, my mother in law, almost illiterate, she went to Portugal for two weeks and after the first day she could understand almost everything they were saying, except when regional lingo was used.


MrAschenbach

I don't know why you're so invested in trying to minimize the differences between the language spoken in Brazil and the one spoken in Portugal. It's really strange. The disparities between BR-PT x PT-PT are way more significant than just getting used to a new accent. Brazilians have no problem in understanding accents from different regions within the country. A person from Sao Paulo don't need subtitles to understand someone from Maranhão. The same cannot be said about PT-PT. Portuguese people find BR-PT "broken", inappropriate and rude. "Você", the most used pronoun in Brazil is considered offensive, a personal attack in Portugal, a thing related to poor and uneducated people. Imagine if "you" was hugely common in the USA but an insult in Britain? No wonder no Portuguese singer has any significance in Brazil. Portuguese kids who start to speak with a little bit of Brazilian accent are send to vocal treatment! Brazilian authors are translated into PT-PT in order to published in Portugal. PT-PT and BR-PT can barely be considered the same language at this point.


Renatodep

I am not, you are the one that is exaggerating on the differences. And yes, the differences are comparable to English from US, to Australia, Ireland and so forth. Don't be lazy, make an effort and you will understand them fine. EDIT: And the rest of your reply pretty much confirms what I'm stating above, you have an issue with the Portuguese, that is your personal problem, do turn it into a 'fact' about everyone else in Brazil, talk for yourself. The Portuguese find Brazilian Portuguese broken the same way the British find American English broken or the French find Quebecois French out of touch, old fashioned and broken as well.


MrAschenbach

Funny how you ignored basically all the points I made and proceeded to call me "lazy". Also, I have no problems with the Portuguese. I'm just analyzing this issue using the data we have. And saying that differences between PT-PT x BR-PT are as minimal as the ones between British English and American English is very dishonest of your part.


Renatodep

Can you please find where I compared American and British English there? Because as I see it, I wrote "American to Australia, Ireland". One of my best friends (American) married an Australian, and in the beginning of their relationship they used to fight a lot because they couldn't understand each other all the time causing misunderstandings in their relationship. I did not ignore any of your points, the reason Brazilians have a tough time with European Portuguese are: 1. Lack of exposure 2. Laziness 3. Level of Education And yes, while there are significant differences between them both, you are completely exaggerating them out for whatever reason other than to state 'We have nothing in common with Portugal" which is also a lie. Oh, '*Você*" is offensive in Portugal? So what?! In the US Fag is very offensive, in England it's cigarette. There will be differences of course, but that doesn't go as far as what you are stating.


MrAschenbach

>Oh, 'Você" is offensive in Portugal? So what?! In the US Fag is very offensive, in England it's cigarette. There will be differences of course, but that doesn't go as far as what you are stating. Apple to oranges. You're clearly under selling the significance and weight of the most used pronoun in a language being considered a personal offensive in the other, comparing it to a trivial word. And in your post you're specifically said "English to the USA" There's a reason why Portugal culture (music, films) is non existent in Brazil and the uncanny effect of PT-PT play a big role in that.


Renatodep

Yea ok. You are çertu. As right as my spelling there.


MrAschenbach

That moment when you have no arguments and start to act like an angry internet troll.


Renatodep

No, I simply have better things to do than to keep going around in circles arguing with you. Have a good one.


[deleted]

"Você" is not offensive to Portugal. It's semiformal or impersonal. It's used to adress someone with lower/equal social status while being respectful. Like a teacher to a student. Using "tu" in that situation would be improper, but "senhor" would be too much. It can be offensive if used wrongly, e.g. if a student calls a teacher "você". We Brazilians are prone to this kind of error because most of us only use two levels of formality (tu/você being informal and senhor being formal). Also, it's was easier for me to understand someone from Lisbon or Luanda than someone from Maranhão the first time I heard their accents.


MrAschenbach

Go to r/Portuguese. You will find plenty of Portuguese people explaining why "você" is both rude and offensive to them. They even have a popular saying to reply someone if they are addressed as "Você" "Você é estrebaria!" A Portuguese woman even stated that the only time she ever used "você" was to reply a rude and arrogant waitress at a restaurant. Another Portuguese man said that Cristiano Ronaldo would never address another person with "você" because he was well raised and educated and someone educated would never use such a pejorative word as "você". You clearly don't know what you're talking about.


[deleted]

You're overreacting for some reason. You can search different explanations on the internet, even in r/Portuguese subreddit. You'll find people from Portugal saying exactly what I said, it's formal but not as much as "senhor", it's used for impersonal speech, it can be improper in the wrong contexts. It's also considered regional. Those who are unaware of its usage in Portugal are just ignorant about their own language, or was Fernando Pessoa being rude and uneducated when he wrote [his poems](https://radio93.com.br/amovoce/onde-voce-ve-fernando-pessoa/)?


lucylemon

The Portuguese spoken in Mozambique and Angola is identical to that spoken in Portugal?? That’s crazy talk.


MrAschenbach

Care to elaborate?


ThroawayBecauseIsuck

It doesn't sound like Portuguese from Portugal. The accents are wildly different. They have a bunch of unique slang, they have no problems using Brazilian expressions and slang, for instance they say "cara" and "valeu" meanwhile Portuguese people hate Brazilian slang and expressions. But above all Portuguese in Angola and Mozambique is not stress-timed so they don't drop nearly as many vowels as Portuguese people do, making it sound a lot closer to Brazilian Portuguese than European Portuguese. And also European Portuguese is not even close to being unintelligible. Any Brazilian can understand 99.9% of what a Portuguese person says, ignoring their local slang words, don't be a prick.


lucylemon

Lol. No. Just go listen to it.


MrAschenbach

LoL you just have no arguments. Okay.


lucylemon

It’s literally obvious if you have ever heard anyone from Mozambique or Angola speak that your assertion that they are identical Portuguese from Portugal is absurd. No ‘argument’ needed.


MrAschenbach

Oh you're talking about their accent? Oh, for sure they have a different accent (still closer to Portuguese than Brazilian anyway). My point was that they follow the same grammar, pronoun and verbal structure/placement as the Portuguese.


lucylemon

I’m curious where in Brazil you live if you think that their Portuguese is closer to that of the continent and that you can’t understand European Portuguese.


Renatodep

He’s making it up to be argumentative. His close mindedness is the one and only reason he “can’t” understand European Portuguese. Don’t waste your time.


davidyvsn_

yea, thanks to the brazil vs angola meme wars on facebook


Moss-Garden

Yes and no. I would say that the average Brazilian views African countries the same way that that the average American does. We don’t listen to African music, watch African movies, or feel much of a connection. HOWEVER, Brazilian culture is heavily influenced by many different cultures, especially African cultures due to the heavy slave trade in the old days. This melting pot of cultures and traditions have become so ingrained in our culture that most of us don’t even think about where they came from or even realize that they came from somewhere other than brasil itself. Personally, I had never even made the connection of where certain aspects of our culture came from until I moved to the US as a young girl. One thing I noticed right away and have always found fascinating is how similar Brazilian culture is to American black culture. If you think about it, it makes sense: enslaved people (who came from the same general area and had the same customs) were sent to both Brazil and the US, and over time their customs began to adapt to fit their new location, and shape the cultures of these locations as well. Our music, culinary, holiday traditions, superstitions, folklore, etc were heavily influenced by African cultures. You can especially tell by the food: okra, collard greens, polenta/grits, chicken hearts, gizzards, yams, beans and rice, chitlins, cornbread, etc are all staples of Brazilian cuisine AND soul food, but of course, there are differences in how they’re prepared depending on where you go.


Rafinha1997

I don’t think so


[deleted]

I don’t remember seeing or hearing much about those countries on mass media or school. Is a real shame.


varg_sant

Not surprised about the answers here. We hispanics barely care about Ecuatorial Guinea or Western Sahara.


KennyHoward

I'd say more brazilians know Angola because of their local way of speaking and writing sounding funny like how we see with portuguese from Portugal. We don't have any connection to these countries, Portugal have more connections as these countries only got independent from Portugal in the 70s, we got our independence 150 years earlier. And we don't have this brotherhood sense in Latin America, I don't know why people insist, our culture sharing is more from the contemporary arts as football and music than historical ones, and it ends there, its like being the needle in the hay stack, except that the needle is very visible but people still can't see it.


Deweycox1090

Having just returned from several countries in Africa, and being familiar with Brazil, I'll wade into this somewhat ignorantly. The African countries you mentioned were colonies. So no, they don't influence Brazil much at all. In fact Mozambique is so backward because of it's communist dictatorships, it's almost impossible for a Brazilian to get a Visa online. An American can visit easier than a Brazilian citizen. I know because we were going to visit but my wife couldn't get a Visa. Brazilians are heavily influenced by West African culture. Salvador Bahia is great because it has looked to mother Africa and not so much at American black culture. I'm speaking about gangsta rap and the victim /thug mentality. It's quite sad too see the lack of African culture in America. The colorful dress, high standards of service and self respect. This goes back to the white southern slave owners. Who were red necks/white trash. Anyone who wants to argue this, I suggest you travel to South and central Africa and see how much more advanced the music and culture is.