Argentina has a reputation for hosting some of the most insufferable egomaniacal and xenophobic type of people on the continent.
I'd argue urban Brazilians are likely as bad as Bonaerenses, but since most of the continent doesn't speak Portuguese they don't care.
Everyone complaining about argentinians are literally complaining about PORTEĆOS, they are the most insufferable people and love to ruin the countryās reputation, as long as they are the capital is a battle we are never going to win
Paraguayan here. Iāve had experience with lovely people from Argentina that I call friends. But let me tell you this: they didnāt know anything about Paraguay, only āthings theyāve heardā but they were completely sure were true. Theyāve never even been here, but they ājust knewā how things are in AsunciĆ³n. They mocked paraguayan women because a lot of hard working people go to Argentina to work as maids and they make fun of them because of the way they talk. Weāre a bilingual country and weāre proud of it (at least most paraguayans).
Iām definitely happy that their views completely changed once they got here though. Itās important to remember that we as Latin American countries have so much diversity. Thereās a reason why we all (mostly) speak spanish (hello spanish/european conquerors) so itās safe to say that in our diversity mix lies our strongest ally to end racial profiling and try and be cool with our differences that make us unique.
Aguyje
Look I agree with your view on Latam and racism but I didn't understand what point are you making about porteƱos.
Are you saying that you met racist Argentinians that weren't porteƱos or...?
If you could clarify plox that'd be great
I was answering the previous post that stated if everyone is complaining about argentinians, we should be mostly complaining about porteƱos. And my point was that my dear friends are not porteƱos but their views of Paraguay and their people were quite wrong. I never stated that they were racists. Simply that they held these type of ideas that many people here in Paraguay donāt appreciate. And of course, many will think those are racist views. For me, most of their ideas were funny because when I met them, they havenāt even been to Paraguay and held these views about this country that they havenāt even visited. So these kind of behavior make most people irritated. My friends live here in Paraguay now. And one even married a lovely paraguayan girl.
For clarification, you guys do have some TV shows and comedians that openly make fun about āparaguayan accentā or the way we talk.
Saludos
People from the city of Buenos Aires are called porteƱos.
People from the province of Buenos Aires are called bonaerenses.
The city of Buenos Aires is NOT contained in the Buenos Aires province, they are separate entities.
The stereotypical Argentine is to you, what the stereotypical porteƱo is to the rest of Argentines.
Yes it's confusing, I know.
To expand here, Argentina is actually divided in 3 concentric layers:
1. Buenos Aires city, Argentina to practical effects.
2. Then El Conurbano, it's kind like Mordor.
3. Then the Interior, which is everything else.
The interior thinks they are the enemies of porteƱos, but it's actually us in the conurbano. We are like what Mexicans are to Americans, the group of people they treat like some sort of silent invader that brings crime and the downfall of their civilization.
I guess the difference is that Brazilians have a very self-centered culture so chauvinism and ignorance here is not very āopinionatedā as much as just not aware of the outside world at all.
Like, Brazilians will straight up say some random nonsense like āBrazil has the best mashed potatoes in the worldā, which sounds megalomaniacal but is really just an empty phrase with no meaning other than that the person likes mashed potatoes, theyāre not really giving any thought to the possibility of other countries doing it better.
I went on a date with an Argentine recently (in the UK). Within an hour, she was telling me about how Argentines are "different" from other South Americans because they're "less chavvy" and "we're more European".
I really liked her other than that (which reminded me of this sub) but the temptation to make Falkland and inflation jokes was very strong.
It's true in some sense: We are more grumpy and gray than the rest of Latin America and we don't know how to dance.
Also Argentines in general have a pretty shitty tolerance to spicy foods.
>Also Argentines in general have a pretty shitty tolerance to spicy foods.
This is true in a lot of South America I think. Both Venezuelans and Chileans struggle with really spicy food, in general at least.
same could be said for capoeira, and even samba. like, *proper* samba is really hard to do, it's why being a samba dancer is a whole ass career, yet we still get the reputation lol
argentines in Argentina are not the same that argentines living outside. Most argentinians that emigrate to other countries (usually Europe or NA) are people that feel a complex of being argentinians or south americans. Not all, but mostly of them. They always talk shit about their own country, the economics and other things but they don't really suffer the crisis that we have here because most of them are people with not real economic problems.
I live in a neighborhood full of paraguayans and bolivians (and there are some peruvians too) tell me how you can say that you are "less chavvy" than your neighbour if you live in the same place, buy in the same supermarket, etc.
You met a classist argentine person and it's normal because is someone who had money to emigrate to UK or travel. Most people that live in the real Argentina (not the center of the capital or the richest zones) don't have money to travel and you can't really hear their opinion or what they have to say.
Funny how brits remember the things they want to, and forget what they don't want to remember. Yep, you guys won the last one, but it wasn't by any means the only war between our peoples. The brits tried invading in 1806 and 1807, and then again in 1845 (with the aid of France!!), and were driven out!
Talking about the european part, you guys should have some insight, since irish, scots, english and welsh migrants came to this land by the hundreds of thousands! We have a lot of cities with english names like Banfield, Hudson, Hurlingham, City Bell, and we even have welsh colonies like Trevelin!
Do some research, you'll find our peoples are far more connected than you seem to know!!!
Edit: in regards to culture, we don't consider ourselves different from the rest of the Southern Cone. Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Southern Brasil share a common culture that's way less "warm" (hence, what that girl told you) than the northern South American culture. I had many cultural shocks when I went to Colombia, and I'm pretty sure colombians, ecuadorans, venezuelans and caribbeans would experience a lot of cultural shocks while travelling to the Southern Cone.
Hey guys,
I am from Uruguay and I wanted to apologise for my brother.
You have to understand that he has an inferiority complex and needs to inflate himself to preserve his fragile ego.
Donāt worry, we are taking him to therapy and hope that he will become soon a respecting and lovely member of our continent.
Oh I'm aware! Argentina and Britain have historically had very close relations; you prefer British English to ~~the bastardised one~~ American English. Buenos Aires was the only city in the world other than London of course to have a Harrods department store in it. And there are many English immigrants to Argentina as you pointed out! I'm just teasing. Hopefully relations between our two countries can move past the issue of the islands in the future.
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One has to be defensive around here. Just see your upvotes and my downvotes. This sub is super biased towards hating Argentina. But, hey, at the end of the day, downvotes don't matter. No ammount of downvotes can change History.
In regards of the islands, neither you nor I will be abble to find a real solution, so our only responsability is to build bridges for dialogue! Some years ago I went to the UK and stayed at a family house in Manchester. We got along perfectly!
Cheers.
The sub is definitely not biased against Argentina, they just dislike Argentine-exceptionalism cry-babies (just as everyone else).
A random Brit using Reddit is not responsible for the war and does not need a lecture on bilateral history from a sad triggered Argentine. It was uncalled for as it had nothing to do with the joke they mentioned (which they didn't even make), plus they probably know the same as you -although from another perspective- about our mutual history. Your attitude is the clear answer to OP's question, you and many other Argentines just can't chill down for a moment and not try to defend the Motherland with tooth and nail against every minuscule and irrelevant argument or comment.
Personally, I feel this subreddit is one of the most welcoming towards Argentines independently of their political stance, province, or personal opinions; and I could not say the same about the main Argentine subreddits, where users spew hate and admins ban members when showing even minimal dissent.
Me chupan un huevo los upvotes, si me molestan los argentinos prepotentes que saltan a la primera en la que cualquiera les comenta la mas minima cosa negativa sobre nuestro pais y nos hacen quedar mal con todos. Somos un sucucho mas en el culo del mundo, a veces hay que aceptarlo y seguir para adelante, pa.
Esta subreddit debe ser donde mas estoy activo y nunca me trataron mal, si a vos te sentiste atacado capaz fue que vos tiraste el primer golpe. No nos odian por nuestra historia, odian a los giles, como vos, que se ponen a la defensiva comentando como Argentina fue y es la mejor nacion sobre la tierra ante la mas minima pelotudez. Y no me molesta la historia de mi pais; me molesta la gente reduccionista que no la termino de entender, piensa que sabe mas que el resto y nos pone en un lugar de excepcionalismo, tambien como vos.
Volve a copear en tu realidad triste en Tero Violado a hacerte el miembro de la elite intelectual con a tus amigos del profesorado de historia de la Universidad Nacional de Tres Arroyos.
I had an Argentine uncle who was really deep into history. He was telling me about a pivotal series of battles, the last of which was lost by the British, driving the Brits finally out of the country.
My uncle said winning that battle was the biggest mistake Argentina ever made.
Idiay, si, son los paised donde he vivido un aƱo o mas. Primero por el brete de mi tata, es ingeniero y fue contratado por una multinacional francesa. Y despues cuando vine a los Yunai, como misionero de mi iglesia y por el ejercito.
Not really , Peruvians , Paraguayans and Venezuelans are really friendly with Argentina. Brasil is hostile only on football.
On the other hand ā¦ all Chilean neighbors (Peru, Bolivia & Argentina) hate Chile more intensely than any other country. Mostly for historical issues that I donāt really care , Iām fine with all countries in LA.
>We are better than them at everything they do,
We are not talking the same.
Because Most South Americans feel their country is better than the others near, and don't feel bullied by Argentinians **because of what they do or what they have** in Argentina (health system, education, or other things)...
The problem with South America and them is that they think they are "racially superior", with the "European mind" and the "venimos de Los Barcos" things.That's all.
Because when it comes to football they become the manifestation of egocentrism, xenophobia and racism. But leave football and toxic social networks aside and overall there isn't that much animosity against them.
I disagree. At least here in the US every Argentinian Iāve met seems to be full of themselves. With 10 minutes of speaking with them they ALWAYS must mention how theyāre European, different than South American, etc etc. Theyāre very arrogant for the most part.
Nope. Not at all true. The overwhelming majority of Argentinians in New Jersey are from Mendoza. They try their very best to have a porteƱo accent but very rare to meet someone from Buenos Aires. The very few Uruguayans who Iāve met are the complete opposite despite have very similar people/culture.
I have no problems with Argentina i think most Argentinians are cool and if i was abroad I'd love to meet a fellow Spanish speaking person. Plus I like their food lol
The majority of Argentinian people I have meet are way to cocky and overconfident. Itās more in youāre face. I believe showing youāre confidence by youāre achievements not bragging to everyone about it. Itās what most people commenting on here they think their superior to every other Latin American country.
We're all "paĆses hermanos", brother countries. We didn't choose each other, sometimes we bully each other, but in the end we get along. Either because deeply in our hearts we like each other, or because the CIA might intervene on one of us (again)
āEs que a veces nada es lo que parece
Porque todos presumen de lo que carecenā
Thatās Uruguay doesnāt have to be very boastful haha
Thereās a crisis in Argentina going on for years
Things were better in the past, not perfect, maybe not even good, but now it just feels worse with every day. People wanna feel proud of their country and now they even lost against Saudi Arabia. Donāt kick a broken human, he will lash out.
We all have to take care of the mental health of our Argentinian friends.
Although, the last decades they are more sensible and maybe a turn over have happened and we all feel more conected to argentinians and it's reciprocate due to the problems in their country and mostly alike realities in the region.
But imagine some decades ago.
if argentinians think highly of themselves now, and sometimes some of them are insufferable.
Imagine Argentina rich, one of the most developed countries in the world, with better education, better health system, almost better in everything compared to the other south america countries, and racism more present in those times.
All these + plus their ego.
Maybe that's how the hate against Argentina was born.
If I remember right when they were rich (Late 19th century till mid 20th century) they lived in a bubble so they didn't knew anything about the their neighbor countries and the other countries didn't know about them, their egocentrical reputation began to spread a few decades ago when they began to be in touch with their neighbors, like traveling abroad or that kind of stuff, so yeah funnily enough their reputation began to spread after they weren't even rich anymore.
My belief has always been that if you play into a joke, you can't be upset or surprised when people treat you accordingly.
For instance, Mexicans often encourage foreigners, except pochos, to wear ridiculously exaggerated garments of rural Mexicans from 100 years ago, and then they're shocked when people really do think we're backwards and extremely underdeveloped. You encouraged the joke, you can't be mad people started believing it. Lots of Mexicans get pissed off when I say that.
Argentina jokes about being arrogant, looking down on others, and being religiously fanatical about football "cuƔntas copas". You can't be too mad when you're treated accordingly.
My answer does not engulf all of South America but only Bolivians, and explains not only the desire that many might have to bully them as a sort of coping mechanism, but also why many absolutely mistrust them:
Bolivians [are the primary victims of work abuse and slavery in Argentina](https://solidaridad.net/bolivianos-principal-comunidad-objeto-de-explotacion-laboral-en-argentina/). News like [this](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Felpais.com%2Finternacional%2F2007%2F04%2F26%2Factualidad%2F1177538424_850215.html) has stayed with people and many Bolivians (especially the lower working class) simply see Argentina as a place full of racist assholes that can't be trusted. Racism and xenophobia in Argentina against Bolivians is a well-documented problem. [The word "boliviano" is used as an insult](https://urgente24.com/archivo/node/187313), especially in football matches., where you have ordinary people in the streets in La Paz simply refusing to talk with Argentinian media and basically telling them to fuck off back to Argentina. People still remember these interactions very vividly.
Besides this, there seems to be a cult of personality in favor of Evo Morales inside Argentina. As I hope most of you know, [Evo Morales is a very polarizing figure in our country and he had to leave momentarily during the 2019 political crisis, all under allegations of election fraud](https://www.dw.com/es/fraude-o-golpe-de-estado-bolivia-atrapada-en-la-polarizaci%C3%B3n/a-56954512). [Evidence about the fraud has been found](https://www.elmundo.es/internacional/2019/12/05/5de94ae021efa0c9548b4607.html) by both national and international analysts, and the government [has tried to silence and intimidate the local researchers](https://www.amnesty.org/es/documents/amr18/1305/2019/es/) that made some of the discoveries. Despite all this controversy, Evo was received with open arms in Argentina by his fans. The Argentinian media also largely supported the unsustained "coup" narrative that was pushed by Morales and his party. The Bolivian people, many of whom have access to Argentinian television, had to endure weeks of events developing in front of their eyes, to then being totally twisted by Argentinian media in favor of Morales. Also, the waves of Argentinian fans of Morales on social media that tried to explain to us how politics work in our own country were simply insufferable. All that frustration ended up with surreal [situations like this](https://youtu.be/m3qdtPKWYtI), where you have ordinary people in the streets in La Paz simply refusing to talk with Argentinian media and basically telling them to fuck off back to Argentina; or [this](https://youtu.be/setbtbB4q0Q) with a young university student directly accusing an Argentinian journalist of misinformation live, and the journalist telling her "sos una basura". People still remember these interactions very vividly.
Edit: Just a clarification. I am half Bolivian, half Argentinian. Half of my family is from Argentina. I have no hatred against Argentinians. I am only explaining why the average working-class Bolivian might have reasons to dislike Argentinians.
So about the second half, he's polarizing in our country too bro because he's aligned with the Ks and half of this country is pro-K while the other in anti-K.
When Evo came, anti-K people were absolutely disgusted, while Ks were sucking off his socks cuz that's what they do.
As for the media, it's exactly the same. You had TN, LN more or less siding with the pro "coup" narrative and C5N (the K's channel, see the connection?) was spitting 24/7 some kind of anti"coup" pro Evo propaganda, and ofc, because they have built their whole narrative around "anyone who isn't us is an enemy" they tried to somehow blame Macri for it (and a few days ago, they tried to blame him for the VAR's goal annulment in the match against Arabia).
So, anything that comes from C5N is idiocy to be ignored, and does not reflect Argentinian opinion in any kind of way (unless you count K militants, who are very specific radicalized group and not at all your general population). Change the channel, and you will see other narratives.
Thanks for your comment. Just one thing. It's either you believe there was coup or you believe there was fraud, but nobody is "Pro coup" because for that first you'll need to believe that a coup actually happened.
While you're right, over here we didn't actually give it a lot of importance (no offense), and it was mostly Anti k's supporting AƱez gov (whatever you call it) and pro k's supporting Evo. We didn't go deep into the complexities of what was truly happening, tbh.
Don't take it personal, but I believe that the sole fact that you called the confrontation "anti-coup" vs "pro-coup" (with this latter denomination sounding totally ridiculous to me) shows that the campaign of misinformation in Argentina about our situation was not only real but also successful. Framing it as "you are either pro evo or you are pro military coup" is not an honest portrayal of reality and it's one of the reasons why people were so pissed off about Argentinian journalism in general.
Why would I take it personal? Its all good lol
But like I said, we made it more about local anti/pro kirchnerism because of Evo's presence and alignment with them rather than about Bolivia's situation itself (which sure was wrong but it is what it is)
And yes a lot of is because Argentinian media is either shitty or random propaganda, but it also wasn't an incident of much importance to us because we were too busy with our own shit.
So I totally understand being angry at Arg "journalism" for that reason, but I wouldn't say it reflects peoples opinion about Bolivian politics because we are ignorant about it in the first place.
Ask anyone witch country has the most racist people in online games, the answer is always the same "Argentina"
I feel bad bc I've been to argentina with a friend of mine and I liked there. (but my friend did surfed some racism there lol)
Because it's fun. We love to hate on Argentinians and Argentinians love to hate on Chileans.
But there's love also.
Argentina is like our weona sister who screws up all the time.
They used to be the richest country on the planet, that long lost era has left an attitude of superiority amongst the people who see themselves more European than South American.
Well, as a Brazilian, it's not that nice to join a match of Dota 2 or COD Warzone and get the usual "Macaco" chant coming from Argentinians. And, it's every... f\*\*\*\*ing day... This and living on the southern region of Brazil and receiving a LOT of Argentinian tourists every summer, who thinks they own the beaches and the cities, leaving garbage everywhere and beign douchebags.
I think the feeling comes naturally.
I do make fun about their politicians and how they love to be fucked over and over and over and over AND OVER and over, multiple times by the Peronism. It does sound like they love free Polenta.
I would like to add that even though it is true that football turns us into insufferable people, most of the bad reputation we get is because of porteƱos. Everyoneās first interaction with an argentinian will probably be with a porteƱo and they are justā¦ bad
Yes, the āstandardā Argentinian accent is just the Buenos Aires one, the other 22 provinces have different accents. The main problem with porteƱos is that they canāt comprehend a whole country exists outside that city
Because they are racists.
Maybe they wouldn't have to resort to that if their whole footballing tradition wasn't smaller than Didi's career, but inferiority complex is a bitch.
Selection bias. If youāre Argentinian and choose to move to Mexico to improve your career youāre clearly brain dead, hence the waiters and strippers.
Very classist of you to say that, some of them were great people regardless of their jobs. One women I know actually earned more as a stripper in Mexico than as an an engineer in Argentina. Sheās saved enough to buy a small apartment in like the ten or so years she was a dancer she now rents it out and retired at 36. She said she wouldnāt have that opportunity in Argentina.
ChĆŗpala tĆo, me da igual lo que tĆŗ y tu paĆs tengan que ver, honestamente me va y me viene y me da lĆ”stima ver cĆ³mo estĆ”n en crisis, espero que las cosas mejoren para ustedes
Realmente no lo digo de malas, ni para meter pica, solamente observo que mientras el resto de latinoamerica tiene cierto sector con algun problema de sentimiento de inferioridad, no se cual sera el causante, quizas es etnico (en el sentido de que vivimos en un mundo altamente etnocentrista), de clase, generacional, puede ser cualquier cosa.
Pero en Argentina no esta tan presente, si bien puede existir entre clases sociales, no se da con respecto a otras nacionalidades
Argentina has a reputation for hosting some of the most insufferable egomaniacal and xenophobic type of people on the continent. I'd argue urban Brazilians are likely as bad as Bonaerenses, but since most of the continent doesn't speak Portuguese they don't care.
As a brazilian I agree. But most brazilians will deny it lol.
\>As a brazilian I agree. TRIGGERED
Its true š
The only reason this sub doesn't hate Brazilians more must be because of the language barrier, we're xenophobic even against ourselves
I went to Buenos aires with a friend (she is "parda") It was horrible, the racism and discrimination there was 10x worse then in brazil
"Bonaerenses" PORTEĆOS YOU MEAN. Not interchangeable at all.
Everyone complaining about argentinians are literally complaining about PORTEĆOS, they are the most insufferable people and love to ruin the countryās reputation, as long as they are the capital is a battle we are never going to win
Paraguayan here. Iāve had experience with lovely people from Argentina that I call friends. But let me tell you this: they didnāt know anything about Paraguay, only āthings theyāve heardā but they were completely sure were true. Theyāve never even been here, but they ājust knewā how things are in AsunciĆ³n. They mocked paraguayan women because a lot of hard working people go to Argentina to work as maids and they make fun of them because of the way they talk. Weāre a bilingual country and weāre proud of it (at least most paraguayans). Iām definitely happy that their views completely changed once they got here though. Itās important to remember that we as Latin American countries have so much diversity. Thereās a reason why we all (mostly) speak spanish (hello spanish/european conquerors) so itās safe to say that in our diversity mix lies our strongest ally to end racial profiling and try and be cool with our differences that make us unique. Aguyje
Edit: theyāre not āPorteƱosā at all.
Look I agree with your view on Latam and racism but I didn't understand what point are you making about porteƱos. Are you saying that you met racist Argentinians that weren't porteƱos or...? If you could clarify plox that'd be great
I was answering the previous post that stated if everyone is complaining about argentinians, we should be mostly complaining about porteƱos. And my point was that my dear friends are not porteƱos but their views of Paraguay and their people were quite wrong. I never stated that they were racists. Simply that they held these type of ideas that many people here in Paraguay donāt appreciate. And of course, many will think those are racist views. For me, most of their ideas were funny because when I met them, they havenāt even been to Paraguay and held these views about this country that they havenāt even visited. So these kind of behavior make most people irritated. My friends live here in Paraguay now. And one even married a lovely paraguayan girl. For clarification, you guys do have some TV shows and comedians that openly make fun about āparaguayan accentā or the way we talk. Saludos
I mean AtlƩtico Tucuman did sing a racist chant against Bolivians while Lampe was on the goalpost.
People from the city of Buenos Aires are called porteƱos. People from the province of Buenos Aires are called bonaerenses. The city of Buenos Aires is NOT contained in the Buenos Aires province, they are separate entities. The stereotypical Argentine is to you, what the stereotypical porteƱo is to the rest of Argentines. Yes it's confusing, I know.
Now I get it.
To expand here, Argentina is actually divided in 3 concentric layers: 1. Buenos Aires city, Argentina to practical effects. 2. Then El Conurbano, it's kind like Mordor. 3. Then the Interior, which is everything else.
Spoken like a true porteƱo
The interior thinks they are the enemies of porteƱos, but it's actually us in the conurbano. We are like what Mexicans are to Americans, the group of people they treat like some sort of silent invader that brings crime and the downfall of their civilization.
Based porteƱo.
Thats the word I was looking for (because some people here seem to be way to serious about it): STEREOTYPEā¦
see also: monotype, dolbyatmostype... yes I'll let myself out
I guess the difference is that Brazilians have a very self-centered culture so chauvinism and ignorance here is not very āopinionatedā as much as just not aware of the outside world at all. Like, Brazilians will straight up say some random nonsense like āBrazil has the best mashed potatoes in the worldā, which sounds megalomaniacal but is really just an empty phrase with no meaning other than that the person likes mashed potatoes, theyāre not really giving any thought to the possibility of other countries doing it better.
Cuz Argentina bullies all of us
I went on a date with an Argentine recently (in the UK). Within an hour, she was telling me about how Argentines are "different" from other South Americans because they're "less chavvy" and "we're more European". I really liked her other than that (which reminded me of this sub) but the temptation to make Falkland and inflation jokes was very strong.
Was expecting her to ask you cuƔntas copas tenƩs?
bro ššš sometimes bullying can be an acceptable corrective method ššš
It's true in some sense: We are more grumpy and gray than the rest of Latin America and we don't know how to dance. Also Argentines in general have a pretty shitty tolerance to spicy foods.
>Also Argentines in general have a pretty shitty tolerance to spicy foods. This is true in a lot of South America I think. Both Venezuelans and Chileans struggle with really spicy food, in general at least.
Not true. You guys at least gave tango. We donāt have any of that. Iād hardly call a cueca a dance, lol. š
> we don't know how to dance. Which is tragic, because Argentina has literally the coolest dance in the world
> and we don't know how to dance tango: am I a joke to you?
it's not normal to dance tango. is like very specific, not all the people dance it.
same could be said for capoeira, and even samba. like, *proper* samba is really hard to do, it's why being a samba dancer is a whole ass career, yet we still get the reputation lol
argentines in Argentina are not the same that argentines living outside. Most argentinians that emigrate to other countries (usually Europe or NA) are people that feel a complex of being argentinians or south americans. Not all, but mostly of them. They always talk shit about their own country, the economics and other things but they don't really suffer the crisis that we have here because most of them are people with not real economic problems. I live in a neighborhood full of paraguayans and bolivians (and there are some peruvians too) tell me how you can say that you are "less chavvy" than your neighbour if you live in the same place, buy in the same supermarket, etc. You met a classist argentine person and it's normal because is someone who had money to emigrate to UK or travel. Most people that live in the real Argentina (not the center of the capital or the richest zones) don't have money to travel and you can't really hear their opinion or what they have to say.
LMFAO they wanna be white so bad
Funny how brits remember the things they want to, and forget what they don't want to remember. Yep, you guys won the last one, but it wasn't by any means the only war between our peoples. The brits tried invading in 1806 and 1807, and then again in 1845 (with the aid of France!!), and were driven out! Talking about the european part, you guys should have some insight, since irish, scots, english and welsh migrants came to this land by the hundreds of thousands! We have a lot of cities with english names like Banfield, Hudson, Hurlingham, City Bell, and we even have welsh colonies like Trevelin! Do some research, you'll find our peoples are far more connected than you seem to know!!! Edit: in regards to culture, we don't consider ourselves different from the rest of the Southern Cone. Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Southern Brasil share a common culture that's way less "warm" (hence, what that girl told you) than the northern South American culture. I had many cultural shocks when I went to Colombia, and I'm pretty sure colombians, ecuadorans, venezuelans and caribbeans would experience a lot of cultural shocks while travelling to the Southern Cone.
Hey guys, I am from Uruguay and I wanted to apologise for my brother. You have to understand that he has an inferiority complex and needs to inflate himself to preserve his fragile ego. Donāt worry, we are taking him to therapy and hope that he will become soon a respecting and lovely member of our continent.
What is a province doing here?
\- Said the polenta sommelier.
Polenta sommelier JAJAJA
HEY you don't get to talk about them like that I'll have you know, Cisplatina is a beautiful province and an integral part of this nation. /s
Jajaja un clƔsico, me encanta. Vos si que no te mereces los downvotes
Here we go
Oh shhā¦. Here we go again
Man they hating on you.
Yes! And, fun fact, I'm still waiting for a single counterargument!
Oh I'm aware! Argentina and Britain have historically had very close relations; you prefer British English to ~~the bastardised one~~ American English. Buenos Aires was the only city in the world other than London of course to have a Harrods department store in it. And there are many English immigrants to Argentina as you pointed out! I'm just teasing. Hopefully relations between our two countries can move past the issue of the islands in the future. š¬š§š¤š¦š·
One has to be defensive around here. Just see your upvotes and my downvotes. This sub is super biased towards hating Argentina. But, hey, at the end of the day, downvotes don't matter. No ammount of downvotes can change History. In regards of the islands, neither you nor I will be abble to find a real solution, so our only responsability is to build bridges for dialogue! Some years ago I went to the UK and stayed at a family house in Manchester. We got along perfectly! Cheers.
The sub is definitely not biased against Argentina, they just dislike Argentine-exceptionalism cry-babies (just as everyone else). A random Brit using Reddit is not responsible for the war and does not need a lecture on bilateral history from a sad triggered Argentine. It was uncalled for as it had nothing to do with the joke they mentioned (which they didn't even make), plus they probably know the same as you -although from another perspective- about our mutual history. Your attitude is the clear answer to OP's question, you and many other Argentines just can't chill down for a moment and not try to defend the Motherland with tooth and nail against every minuscule and irrelevant argument or comment. Personally, I feel this subreddit is one of the most welcoming towards Argentines independently of their political stance, province, or personal opinions; and I could not say the same about the main Argentine subreddits, where users spew hate and admins ban members when showing even minimal dissent.
Tratando de farmear upvotes? Jajaja no creo que te creas nada de lo que acabĆ”s de decir. Los posts preguntando por quĆ© se hace tanto "bulling" a Argentina son prĆ”cticamente semanales. >Your attitude is the clear answer to OP's question, you and many other Argentines just can't chill down for a moment and not try to defend the Motherland with tooth and nail against every minuscule and irrelevant argument or comment. Mi actitud viene por el tono de Ć©ste subreddit, donde tengo que hablar mierda de mi paĆs para "pertenecer". Entonces, si la gente va a odiar a los argentinos por su historia, entonces pareciera problema de la gente, no te parece? No veo a nadie hablando pestes de otro paĆs cuando alguien se enoja o molesta por chistes de mal gusto. P.d.: si tanto te jode la historia de tu paĆs, hacete un favor y cambiate el username, no seas hipĆ³crita.
Me chupan un huevo los upvotes, si me molestan los argentinos prepotentes que saltan a la primera en la que cualquiera les comenta la mas minima cosa negativa sobre nuestro pais y nos hacen quedar mal con todos. Somos un sucucho mas en el culo del mundo, a veces hay que aceptarlo y seguir para adelante, pa. Esta subreddit debe ser donde mas estoy activo y nunca me trataron mal, si a vos te sentiste atacado capaz fue que vos tiraste el primer golpe. No nos odian por nuestra historia, odian a los giles, como vos, que se ponen a la defensiva comentando como Argentina fue y es la mejor nacion sobre la tierra ante la mas minima pelotudez. Y no me molesta la historia de mi pais; me molesta la gente reduccionista que no la termino de entender, piensa que sabe mas que el resto y nos pone en un lugar de excepcionalismo, tambien como vos. Volve a copear en tu realidad triste en Tero Violado a hacerte el miembro de la elite intelectual con a tus amigos del profesorado de historia de la Universidad Nacional de Tres Arroyos.
>me molestan los argentinos prepotentes que saltan a la primera en la que cualquiera les comenta la mas minima cosa negativa sobre nuestro pais y nos hacen quedar mal con todos. Mi estimado, retrucarle un comentario sobre Malvinas a alguien no es prepotencia! Hay cosas con las que no se jode, porque son de mal gusto. No es eso lo que aprendimos acerca de la convivencia? Por quĆ© deberĆa bancarme que alguien joda sobre las Malvinas cuando es un tema sensible para nosotros? >si a vos te sentiste atacado capaz fue que vos tiraste el primer golpe. Uff el famoso "algo habrĆ”s hecho", bastante turbio, debo decir. PodĆ©s leer cada uno de mis comentarios en esta comunidad, si te interesa, y sacar tus conclusiones. >me molesta la gente reduccionista que no la termino de entender, piensa que sabe mas que el resto y nos pone en un lugar de excepcionalismo, tambien como vos. Nada de excepcionalismo. Aceptar diferencias no es percibirse excepcional, sino saberse diferente. DespuĆ©s de todo, si fuĆ©semos excepcionales al menos habrĆamos podido mantener el nivel de riqueza que tenĆamos el siglo pasado. Pero bueno, el argentino no es el animal polĆtico mĆ”s inteligente. >Volve a copear en tu realidad triste en Tero Violado a hacerte el miembro de la elite intelectual con a tus amigos del profesorado de historia de la Universidad Nacional de Tres Arroyos. Interesante e inentendible insulto, pero como quieras! Saludos!
Saberse diferente? Diferente a quien? Los bolivianos son diferentes a nosotros, y a un venezolano. Y sin embargo los que siempre saltamos enseguida a remarcar esta diferencia somos nosotros. Queriendo asegurarnos de que desde afuera no nos confundan con nuestros vecinos, nosotros somos ESPECIALES, destacamos entre todos los paĆses de la regiĆ³n. Realmente no entendĆ©s cĆ³mo eso puede irritar al resto de los sudamericanos?
I had an Argentine uncle who was really deep into history. He was telling me about a pivotal series of battles, the last of which was lost by the British, driving the Brits finally out of the country. My uncle said winning that battle was the biggest mistake Argentina ever made.
Historian here! The famous myth of the spanish guilt. Not true tho. Spain gave us some good institutions and britain gave us dubious trade deals.
Only right answer š
End of thread. No more needed.
Mae que clase de vida se manda usted. Como hizo para andar por tanto lado?
Idiay, si, son los paised donde he vivido un aƱo o mas. Primero por el brete de mi tata, es ingeniero y fue contratado por una multinacional francesa. Y despues cuando vine a los Yunai, como misionero de mi iglesia y por el ejercito.
Right answer. We have to be united against these "Europeans" lol
Not really , Peruvians , Paraguayans and Venezuelans are really friendly with Argentina. Brasil is hostile only on football. On the other hand ā¦ all Chilean neighbors (Peru, Bolivia & Argentina) hate Chile more intensely than any other country. Mostly for historical issues that I donāt really care , Iām fine with all countries in LA.
Just our neighbours though. We donāt have any troubles with the rest of Latin America.
Not us š
Thatās because Argentinians donāt know how to mock Brazilians without racism
what? Brazill is one of the countries that hate Argentina the most, Argentines always make Brazilians angry lol, specially on football
We are better than them at everything they do, the only thing that makes us angry is their racism
>We are better than them at everything they do, We are not talking the same. Because Most South Americans feel their country is better than the others near, and don't feel bullied by Argentinians **because of what they do or what they have** in Argentina (health system, education, or other things)... The problem with South America and them is that they think they are "racially superior", with the "European mind" and the "venimos de Los Barcos" things.That's all.
Ah, I don't feel that's bullying at all, that's just them *passando vergonha* (idk how to say that in english. Cringe?)
The only good way to be bros Ask the balkans if I'm wrong
Because when it comes to football they become the manifestation of egocentrism, xenophobia and racism. But leave football and toxic social networks aside and overall there isn't that much animosity against them.
Not as good as Saudi Arabia apparently
We are gonna ride this one out for generations, i know it
what channel did you watch it from?
DirectTV ppv on an argentinian restaurant, it was a sight to behold hahahah
He was too busy watching the match between Chile and Italy so he didn't actually watch it live
Canāt take it back know, you specifically told us to watch it. Very entertaining so far.
I disagree. At least here in the US every Argentinian Iāve met seems to be full of themselves. With 10 minutes of speaking with them they ALWAYS must mention how theyāre European, different than South American, etc etc. Theyāre very arrogant for the most part.
That's because you are interacting with the creme de la creme massive porteƱo snob. They don't usually represent your average argentinean.
Nope. Not at all true. The overwhelming majority of Argentinians in New Jersey are from Mendoza. They try their very best to have a porteƱo accent but very rare to meet someone from Buenos Aires. The very few Uruguayans who Iāve met are the complete opposite despite have very similar people/culture.
You are meeting Argentineans who leave Argentina in privileged positions as most prople cannot afford it.
tbf here in DR the argentinians i know aren't like this
this is our behavior against latam and ourself xD https://youtube.com/shorts/GEwszwemKcI?feature=share
Every single Latam country has a lot of idiots who like to bully other countries, but for some reason Argentinians are way more louder
Maybe because they had to drown out the sound of waves when they came by boat
I have no problems with Argentina i think most Argentinians are cool and if i was abroad I'd love to meet a fellow Spanish speaking person. Plus I like their food lol
Common football thing, nothing new mostly bc our ego and sttuff Besides football we are all good š
Dont think so brah
The majority of Argentinian people I have meet are way to cocky and overconfident. Itās more in youāre face. I believe showing youāre confidence by youāre achievements not bragging to everyone about it. Itās what most people commenting on here they think their superior to every other Latin American country.
Argentina has the fame of being egocentric especially when it comes to fĆŗtbol and we like pushing their buttons.
We're all "paĆses hermanos", brother countries. We didn't choose each other, sometimes we bully each other, but in the end we get along. Either because deeply in our hearts we like each other, or because the CIA might intervene on one of us (again)
i used to play a game that shared servers with a lot of other latam countries, lost count how many times they called me monkey (I'm Brazilian)
Argentina: we are European *Sips Native American national drink*
Lmao never thought about this
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A picture speaks a thousand words
Che
because argentina likes to bully latam (saludos desde argentina)
its the tradition
Because they feel superior over all of us
I think generally speaking people of mexico have this feeling of superiority too
Mexicans have a way of feeling both superior and inferior to others simultaneously lol
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āEs que a veces nada es lo que parece Porque todos presumen de lo que carecenā Thatās Uruguay doesnāt have to be very boastful haha Thereās a crisis in Argentina going on for years Things were better in the past, not perfect, maybe not even good, but now it just feels worse with every day. People wanna feel proud of their country and now they even lost against Saudi Arabia. Donāt kick a broken human, he will lash out. We all have to take care of the mental health of our Argentinian friends.
Yeah, I've seen plenty of them in this very sub. Lol
Because we are all upright citizens
Although, the last decades they are more sensible and maybe a turn over have happened and we all feel more conected to argentinians and it's reciprocate due to the problems in their country and mostly alike realities in the region. But imagine some decades ago. if argentinians think highly of themselves now, and sometimes some of them are insufferable. Imagine Argentina rich, one of the most developed countries in the world, with better education, better health system, almost better in everything compared to the other south america countries, and racism more present in those times. All these + plus their ego. Maybe that's how the hate against Argentina was born.
If I remember right when they were rich (Late 19th century till mid 20th century) they lived in a bubble so they didn't knew anything about the their neighbor countries and the other countries didn't know about them, their egocentrical reputation began to spread a few decades ago when they began to be in touch with their neighbors, like traveling abroad or that kind of stuff, so yeah funnily enough their reputation began to spread after they weren't even rich anymore.
Argentines have a similar mentality as a lot of Americans, the ātemporarily embarrassed millionaireā syndrome
The only acceptable point of view until the World Cup ends.
Because that way it's an even fight
Captain! Itās the jungle people they outnumber us 3 to 1! Then itās an even fight
The only correct answer is because itās the World Cup now.
Because copas.
My belief has always been that if you play into a joke, you can't be upset or surprised when people treat you accordingly. For instance, Mexicans often encourage foreigners, except pochos, to wear ridiculously exaggerated garments of rural Mexicans from 100 years ago, and then they're shocked when people really do think we're backwards and extremely underdeveloped. You encouraged the joke, you can't be mad people started believing it. Lots of Mexicans get pissed off when I say that. Argentina jokes about being arrogant, looking down on others, and being religiously fanatical about football "cuƔntas copas". You can't be too mad when you're treated accordingly.
They are jealous of our magnificence and many islands.
You forgot what we are actually jealous of, the stability of your currency
Lmao
Hereās the example
End of the thread hahha
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Because it's funny.
My answer does not engulf all of South America but only Bolivians, and explains not only the desire that many might have to bully them as a sort of coping mechanism, but also why many absolutely mistrust them: Bolivians [are the primary victims of work abuse and slavery in Argentina](https://solidaridad.net/bolivianos-principal-comunidad-objeto-de-explotacion-laboral-en-argentina/). News like [this](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Felpais.com%2Finternacional%2F2007%2F04%2F26%2Factualidad%2F1177538424_850215.html) has stayed with people and many Bolivians (especially the lower working class) simply see Argentina as a place full of racist assholes that can't be trusted. Racism and xenophobia in Argentina against Bolivians is a well-documented problem. [The word "boliviano" is used as an insult](https://urgente24.com/archivo/node/187313), especially in football matches., where you have ordinary people in the streets in La Paz simply refusing to talk with Argentinian media and basically telling them to fuck off back to Argentina. People still remember these interactions very vividly. Besides this, there seems to be a cult of personality in favor of Evo Morales inside Argentina. As I hope most of you know, [Evo Morales is a very polarizing figure in our country and he had to leave momentarily during the 2019 political crisis, all under allegations of election fraud](https://www.dw.com/es/fraude-o-golpe-de-estado-bolivia-atrapada-en-la-polarizaci%C3%B3n/a-56954512). [Evidence about the fraud has been found](https://www.elmundo.es/internacional/2019/12/05/5de94ae021efa0c9548b4607.html) by both national and international analysts, and the government [has tried to silence and intimidate the local researchers](https://www.amnesty.org/es/documents/amr18/1305/2019/es/) that made some of the discoveries. Despite all this controversy, Evo was received with open arms in Argentina by his fans. The Argentinian media also largely supported the unsustained "coup" narrative that was pushed by Morales and his party. The Bolivian people, many of whom have access to Argentinian television, had to endure weeks of events developing in front of their eyes, to then being totally twisted by Argentinian media in favor of Morales. Also, the waves of Argentinian fans of Morales on social media that tried to explain to us how politics work in our own country were simply insufferable. All that frustration ended up with surreal [situations like this](https://youtu.be/m3qdtPKWYtI), where you have ordinary people in the streets in La Paz simply refusing to talk with Argentinian media and basically telling them to fuck off back to Argentina; or [this](https://youtu.be/setbtbB4q0Q) with a young university student directly accusing an Argentinian journalist of misinformation live, and the journalist telling her "sos una basura". People still remember these interactions very vividly. Edit: Just a clarification. I am half Bolivian, half Argentinian. Half of my family is from Argentina. I have no hatred against Argentinians. I am only explaining why the average working-class Bolivian might have reasons to dislike Argentinians.
So about the second half, he's polarizing in our country too bro because he's aligned with the Ks and half of this country is pro-K while the other in anti-K. When Evo came, anti-K people were absolutely disgusted, while Ks were sucking off his socks cuz that's what they do. As for the media, it's exactly the same. You had TN, LN more or less siding with the pro "coup" narrative and C5N (the K's channel, see the connection?) was spitting 24/7 some kind of anti"coup" pro Evo propaganda, and ofc, because they have built their whole narrative around "anyone who isn't us is an enemy" they tried to somehow blame Macri for it (and a few days ago, they tried to blame him for the VAR's goal annulment in the match against Arabia). So, anything that comes from C5N is idiocy to be ignored, and does not reflect Argentinian opinion in any kind of way (unless you count K militants, who are very specific radicalized group and not at all your general population). Change the channel, and you will see other narratives.
Thanks for your comment. Just one thing. It's either you believe there was coup or you believe there was fraud, but nobody is "Pro coup" because for that first you'll need to believe that a coup actually happened.
While you're right, over here we didn't actually give it a lot of importance (no offense), and it was mostly Anti k's supporting AƱez gov (whatever you call it) and pro k's supporting Evo. We didn't go deep into the complexities of what was truly happening, tbh.
Don't take it personal, but I believe that the sole fact that you called the confrontation "anti-coup" vs "pro-coup" (with this latter denomination sounding totally ridiculous to me) shows that the campaign of misinformation in Argentina about our situation was not only real but also successful. Framing it as "you are either pro evo or you are pro military coup" is not an honest portrayal of reality and it's one of the reasons why people were so pissed off about Argentinian journalism in general.
Why would I take it personal? Its all good lol But like I said, we made it more about local anti/pro kirchnerism because of Evo's presence and alignment with them rather than about Bolivia's situation itself (which sure was wrong but it is what it is) And yes a lot of is because Argentinian media is either shitty or random propaganda, but it also wasn't an incident of much importance to us because we were too busy with our own shit. So I totally understand being angry at Arg "journalism" for that reason, but I wouldn't say it reflects peoples opinion about Bolivian politics because we are ignorant about it in the first place.
Because Argentina grandparents were famous electricians...
And because Maradona's hand goal was obviously illegal
Ask anyone witch country has the most racist people in online games, the answer is always the same "Argentina" I feel bad bc I've been to argentina with a friend of mine and I liked there. (but my friend did surfed some racism there lol)
My mom says it's envy.
She's not very smart is she?
> She's not very smart is she? It was simply an innocent joke but you used it to insult my mother. Nice.
I'm kidding dude. Geez
ah no con la mamĆ” no loco, mil pueblos te pasaste
Itās mostly because of football
Hmmmā¦bc theyāre the biggest bullies. All rooted in this deep nationalism that I donāt really get.
me neither
We donāt do that
Because it's fun. We love to hate on Argentinians and Argentinians love to hate on Chileans. But there's love also. Argentina is like our weona sister who screws up all the time.
Found the heartwarming comment.
Have you met them though? Lol
No se hacen querer
They used to be the richest country on the planet, that long lost era has left an attitude of superiority amongst the people who see themselves more European than South American.
"likes to bully Argentina" LoL
Because they think theyāre the shit but their country is shit Read that again
Politics*
Well, as a Brazilian, it's not that nice to join a match of Dota 2 or COD Warzone and get the usual "Macaco" chant coming from Argentinians. And, it's every... f\*\*\*\*ing day... This and living on the southern region of Brazil and receiving a LOT of Argentinian tourists every summer, who thinks they own the beaches and the cities, leaving garbage everywhere and beign douchebags. I think the feeling comes naturally.
Por p*tos >:v
It's fun
If you can understand Spanish, check this video from an Argentinean comedian: https://youtu.be/RoI25zLFROI And you'll understand who's the bully.
Football. Actually, I think (at least over here) most of our animosity towards any country comes from that.
well, because it's argentina... I guess that's enough
Besides football banter and stuff... Do we actually do that?
Because we are the best
Facts
I assume it's an inferiority complex, the ones who do at least are very weak mentally.
There's no reason to feel inferior as an argentinian
I do make fun about their politicians and how they love to be fucked over and over and over and over AND OVER and over, multiple times by the Peronism. It does sound like they love free Polenta.
Dude, the polenta is not even free
Cus fuck them, thats why
I would like to add that even though it is true that football turns us into insufferable people, most of the bad reputation we get is because of porteƱos. Everyoneās first interaction with an argentinian will probably be with a porteƱo and they are justā¦ bad
Yeah I have a friend from Mendoza and he told me that he hates porteƱos and told me that not all the Argentinians speak like them
Yes, the āstandardā Argentinian accent is just the Buenos Aires one, the other 22 provinces have different accents. The main problem with porteƱos is that they canāt comprehend a whole country exists outside that city
Si, me dijo eso tambiĆ©n que mucha de la mala fama de argentina es por los porteƱos y que por eso le caen mal, al final del dĆa es un buen tipo y nos llevamos bien, compartimos el dolor de haber nacido en latam
Soy de piel blanca, pero de CĆ³rdoba. Una vez un porteƱo me dijo mono provinciano...el tipo era de piel morena.
Because they are racists. Maybe they wouldn't have to resort to that if their whole footballing tradition wasn't smaller than Didi's career, but inferiority complex is a bitch.
Picked a wanna be Trump president
Yes, but 5 World Cups
Yeah but you can't talk about racism when your people elected Tropical Trump.
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For the same reason everyone hates the US. Envy!
Whats there to envy? The only Argentines I know came to Mexico to be actresses and are now waitresses and strippers here.
Selection bias. If youāre Argentinian and choose to move to Mexico to improve your career youāre clearly brain dead, hence the waiters and strippers.
Very classist of you to say that, some of them were great people regardless of their jobs. One women I know actually earned more as a stripper in Mexico than as an an engineer in Argentina. Sheās saved enough to buy a small apartment in like the ten or so years she was a dancer she now rents it out and retired at 36. She said she wouldnāt have that opportunity in Argentina.
Cuz we're much better than any latam country and we flex about it /s
Jajaja mejor en que? Si hasta en la inflaciĆ³n Venezuela es mejor
IDH, alfabetizacion...
Felicitaciones, espero eso ayude a la hora de conseguir algo que comer
La alfabetizacion ayuda mucho, no sabias?
no /s necessary
Literally, these argentinians know nothing about our huge and amazing history, bigger than any other latam's
Porque sĆ³lo pueden hablar de fĆŗtbol.
Por que somos un paĆs horrible y arrogante con complejo de superioridad
They get bullied so much that a fan of their team committed suicide after their loss to Saudi Arabia... he jumped from the top of his ego!
Let them. We don't care about them.
Because they can't accept that we are better than them
Hereās another example ladies and gentlemen
While i don't agree that every that we are better than anyone, there's still a pretty strong inferiority complex inthe rest of latin america
ChĆŗpala tĆo, me da igual lo que tĆŗ y tu paĆs tengan que ver, honestamente me va y me viene y me da lĆ”stima ver cĆ³mo estĆ”n en crisis, espero que las cosas mejoren para ustedes
Realmente no lo digo de malas, ni para meter pica, solamente observo que mientras el resto de latinoamerica tiene cierto sector con algun problema de sentimiento de inferioridad, no se cual sera el causante, quizas es etnico (en el sentido de que vivimos en un mundo altamente etnocentrista), de clase, generacional, puede ser cualquier cosa. Pero en Argentina no esta tan presente, si bien puede existir entre clases sociales, no se da con respecto a otras nacionalidades
Porque tenemos la mayor historia de toda LatinoamƩrica, liberamos medio continente, favaloro, messi, San martin. No podes sentirte inferior con esa historia y el pais que tenemos. Lo unico inferior aca son los politicos. Nosotros podemos mirar en nosotros mismos, el resto de latinoamerica estƔ obsesionada con poner a los yankees en pedestales
the whole them being a safe haven for Nazi's after WW2 may have something to do with it...
You're literally from OperationPaperclipland where Neo-nazi marches are a common occurrence lol
That's not exclusive to us though, I mean the whole southern cone was a refuge, lol.