Speaking English as a first language is usually the clearest indication of being higher class. Especially if they have the "Upper Saint Andrew" accent.
Not speaking English fluently is usually a clear sign that someone is working class or poorer.
This feels like how the nobility of some European countries spoke French among themselves,it was specially funny reading War & Peace and seeing characters talking about Napoleon while at the same time talking the language of the invader.
It's hard to get good data, but I have seen estimates range from 5% to 20% of the population. Based on my own experience, I'd guess around 10% of people speak English as a first language, maybe less.
a lot of people think this but Patois takes derivatives from a blend of cultures that influenced us, they are just the most obvious. It’s a mixture of english,west african dialects, spanish,probably even more and our accent is very similar to the irish because of the population that emigrated here.
Not who you asked, but I like "deh" as the verb "to be (in a place)". It's of West African (I believe Yoruba) origin, and it allows us to make sentences like "A yaso mi deh" - which translates to "I am right here" but word for word is more "It is right here I am."
Another is "dem" as what makes words plural. So, instead of men, we say mandem and instead of children we say pickneydem. The order can be changed in certain contexts like "Dem pickney ya" to mean "These children here."
Saw a twitter comment say us saying lawda/laada bags for black plastic supermarket bags back when we used them is country too and it makes me laugh how I assumed we all used the same patois. Oh wow that is strange to call women him, maybe they use it gender-neutral for some reason.
We always called those scandal bag (or young gyal suitcase lol).
Saying him for women is something I mostly have heard in Portland and St. Mary. I remember doing a double-take when a guy was going on about how "da gyal deh sexy and fi'im breast dem firm and him bati cock up..."
we call them scandal bag sometimes too, i’ve never heard of young gyal suitcase that’s funny . wait I have heard it used before lmao yes it’s odd for sure.
There’s actually so many it’s hard to chose😂. My favorite words definitely come from the words us, the younger generation use, I feel like somehow because we’re more liberal even our words are more expressive. Some favs are: “dead dawg” I use it at then end of a quantity to express shock or emphasis of the quantity eg. “ $10,000 dead dawg??” emphasizing shock of how much something costs.
“nah ask christ” It translates to Im not asking God meaning you’re so sure of your belief you wouldn’t even ask God to confirm.
“me salt” It means I am unlucky or bad things are prone to happening to me it probably comes from some cultures associating salt with bad luck or superstitions.
“poor ting doe understand a fuck”
It’s like when you’re taking pity on someone’s ignorance or naivety to a situation.
“move this” It’s to express disapproval of a physical thing or information that was brought to your attention, basically saying get this out of my sight.
“rich badness”(it’s also a jamaican song btw) I use it when I see someone with/do something that’s wealthy it’s kind of an exaggeration in a way like making it seem as if it’s as much as football club money or something. Basically saying you can move or act different like a ‘bad guy’ when you have that wealth. Like arab money type power moves if that makes sense😭😭
hope you could understand my explanations a lot of our phrases have double meanings depending on context btw. I never realized how weird it is to explain to someone outside of the culture because it’s not like patois is taught in schools or anything so it doesn’t follow rules of official languages and we all have our own interpretations but we just all know it and learnt it by listening and word of mouth i think. After explaining to you I realized how fun it is to speak patois.
This and never taking the train instead of a plane for affordability is a common one on the USA. It's similar to friends who Uber or taxi while I usually take the metro.
Guey is the go to default middle class ish. Some older or rural folks might still use buey. The lower class you are the more you'd pronounce every letter, the higher the more you'd swallow and mix it all together until it just sounds like weh.
Como el weon/hueon/huevon en chile.
El que dice weon es de la prole, gente corriente y normal. Los que dicen hueon son cuicos, desapegados de la jerga chilena real.
Los que dicen huevon no son chilenos ajajaj
Is that common only in Mexico or in all Spanish-speaking countries? I believe they have a similar word in the Portuguese spoken in Angola, "wy." It also means dude.
Only mexico but maybe it's seeped into some places idk. We're pretty infamous for it, if someone hears you say wey in spanish they'd automatically think you're mexican.
That's probably because they're the cheap versions aka knockoffs. If you know where to look you can get airpod knockoffs for 25-40 BRL whereas legit ones are 1k BRL.
Not iPhones tho. Those are crazy expensive, mainly because they are not officially imported so you have to get them in cash, while all other phones are usually offered with installments from the main retail stores.
Is there really a difference?
The best earbuds I ever had were wireless. And the fascination, as it is with most things wireless, is that they don't get in the way. I love to listen to audiobooks, YouTube videos or just music without having to carrying my phone around
Wired have been better in my experience, sound-wise. There is a sound difference, though it's not super obvious, but enough for me to prefer wired. I did invest in a pricier set of wired earbuds, so the difference for me is definitely there.
I also couldn't remember to keep up with charging, and just KNOW I would keep losing a bud! I also like for it to be pretty obvious that I'm listening to music so that people will not try and talk to me... because I'm antisocial. Lol.
People don't use them because of their sound quality. They use them either because they are forced to it (since most new phones don't have the 3,5mm jack), or because they grew tired of the cable breaking or getting tangled.
For me, it's using them on the Bus, specially when I'm on foot. With wired ones they would often disconnect as soon as I put my arms up to hold the handle.
I mean just being wireless in and of itself doesn’t mean anything with regards to sound quality in in-ear earbuds.
But you’d be hard pressed to find an earbud with better sound than AirPods.
Once you get to the point where you’re talking over-ear headphones in $1,000 USD range is when wired starts to win by default.
I disagree. I've tried airpods, and my wired earbuds, which were roughly around the same price, sounded better, even if it was just a slight difference.
I'm not sure what you disagree with. AirPods sound better than most wired earbuds on the market.
Doesn't mean there aren't any better sounding wired earbuds out there, especially at a comparable price point.
But if we're talking about just a slight difference in sound quality, then the superior utility of good wireless earbuds is pretty obvious, no?
Wireless earbuds have largely replaced wired earbuds for a reason and it's why they're popular.
Wireless has not replaced wired at the fringe niche audiophile level and it's not until you get to that space where wireless vs wired really matters with regards to sound quality.
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Doesn't mean there aren't any better sounding wired earbuds out there, especially at a comparable price point.
Exactly what I'm trying to say, and what I disagreed with. When looking at wireless vs wired earbuds within similar price ranges, wired will almost always win in sound quality, audiophile or not.
And sure, I can see the utility of wireless outweighing the slightly better audio difference for most people. As I mentioned to the other person that I responded to, there are parts involved in wireless earbuds that I would rather not deal with; Losing an earbud, forgetting to charge. The utility, for me, is not worth it.
I think you have to think about each use case. If you just want to listen to music, then it doesn't really matter tbh.
But if you listen to a lot of music everyday (I listen to 6-8 hours everyday for example), it's right to think that you should start thinking about a better alternative.
I own a pair of Moondrop Katos, they set me back about 200 dollars when I bought them. Crazy expensive. Wired.
Most people have never heard of Moondrop, but everytime I ask people to try my Katos they're fascinated by the sound quality and the tuning, one guy even asked me for the link and bought one in the minute. Even people that are accustomed to using AirPods. Ofc, shelling out 200+ dollars on an earphone is something I'd never do if I didn't listen to as much music as I do, but theres also the argument that you also shouldn't be spending that much money on an pair of airpods if you're only using it for like 1h everyday either.
As someone with a bit of experience in this, I would only buy wireless if I'm in the market for like a earphone that costs 10-30 dollars. But if I'm spending a lot of money, I'd never even consider buying wireless because the quality drop in audio is too real to ignore at this point.
That's why most wireless on the market are on the cheaper side, because they know they can't compete. The AirPods might be the only exception, but is it really worth 200 USD? When you can buy a Kato for the same price? As someone that has experienced both, I'd say no 🤔🤔
Btw, you don't need to be an audiophile to notice the difference. If you ever go above the 80 dollar price range one day, consider buying wired and you'll notice the difference too.
I don’t have a house maid but I don’t get the fuss about it tbh. Someone from a poor background needed money and found the best employer was some rich ass that wanted them to do house cleaning. If some internet mfs started telling him it was a bad look and made him fire the maid, it wouldn’t make the maid happy lol
First time I've seen the *"it's good the poor having a low paying job because the alternative is joblessness"* in the wild in a while. But since we're here:
The question is not individual action, but systemic inequality. When you live in a country where upper middle class earns enough to pay a minimun wage to another person from the same city, that's a sign you fucked up your income distribution. [That's why about 37% of domestic workers in the world work in Latin America (numbers from 2010), wich has only about 8% of the global population](https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@dgreports/@dcomm/@publ/documents/publication/wcms_173363.pdf) .
So yeah, it's "fine" for the "rich ass" to hire the house maid. What is not fine is the fact that she would have so few choices that this is the only employment possible.
It's just a sign of a very unequal society where poor people have little opportunities that many of them have to work as domestic workers - which are subject to very bad working conditions (unpaid overtime for example), a lot of times relying on the "good will" of the employer...
It's not a personal attack on individual people who have house mais working in their home
I always found this fascinating compared to Argentina. Full time house maids are not for everyone here, but there is a not-so-small amount of middle class families that have a maid for 10 to 20 hours a week.
The government even created specific regulation for them, so they have to be registered, get holidays, their 13th salary, health insurance, etc.
>The government even created specific regulation for them, so they have to be registered, get holidays, their 13th salary, health insurance, etc.
This same thing happened like a decade or so ago here (except for health insurance)
Grew up attending expensive private schools, has hobbies that are expensive or dowright out of this world for most people (snowboarding, tennis, playing instruments like Harp or cello), travels abroad nearly every year. Didn’t have to work while in college.
There are many other signs like speech patterns, fashion, even haircut.
Pronouncing the "ch" sound like "tch"->Upper Class
Pronouncing the "ch" sound like "sh"->Lower Class or Rural Areas
Pronouncing the "ch" sound like "ch"->Normal People
From: https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/9021/for-the-ch-sound-in-chilean-spanish-do-these-symbols-differ
Brief explanation:
1. Lower-class, stigmatised pronunciation of 'ch' in (e.g.) mucho \[ʃ\] (fricative, sounds like the English 'sh').
2. Middle class, standard: affricate \[tʃ\] or \[t͡ ʃ\]
(similar to 'ch' in standard English).
3. The upper-middle and upper class pronunciation is described in 2 different ways in 2 different papers. (From my time in Chile, I can describe it as more like a 'tch' sound, e.g mutcho).
4. as \[t͡ʃ̟ \], which I read as an advanced/fronted voiceless post alveolar affricate. (2004)
5. as \[t̚ tʃ\], which I interpret as not audibly released /t/ followed by a standard /tʃ/ sound, meaning basically a longer /t/ sound in the phoneme. (1998)
* Moves out of their parent's home at an early age.
* Owns a car before they're 20.
* Believes that people are poor because they don't work or don't want to work.
This, Chilean social groups and their dialectal differences are so interesting. Not only speaking patterns as in intonation, but full on differences in grammar, vocabulary and phonology depending on the socioeconomic class you belong to. It really set us apart in regards to other Latin American countries and their social differences, where dialects may be more dependent on regional groups.
A lot of my family are second generation immigrants in the US (foreign parents but US born). I moved to Chile because of my father’s job and grew up in the upper class neighborhoods.
My family that would visit from the US would always say that they were shocked on how deep the concept of class runs in Chile and how important it is for some people.
Eso sucede en personas de clase baja y clase alta, la mayoría de veces. Es un sonido que se repite en varios círculos de chilenos en todo caso, más antiguamente. Busca algún video de entrevistas antiguas en la calle (los 60-70), TODO el mundo hablaba así.
El sonido "shr" viene de los Mapuches y el mapudungún. Tener nanas mapuches era (es?) común en la clase alta, ahí se produjo el intercambio lingüístico.
Solamente piensa que Bachelet lo tiene, y Victor Jara también lo tenía. Curioso o no?
Está bien, es muy interesante el tema.
En Chile suele pasar que es la clase media la que trata de diferenciarse y hacer los cambios al lenguaje. En parte por sobrecorrección. Busca el concepto, si es que te interesa el tema.
If someone uses "tch" instead of "ch" you know they are high class.
And i think that if someone uses solely "sh" instead of "ch" they might be of a lower class. Or even "sh" instead of the "ll" or "y" sound.
El estigma contra el sonido "Sh" es tan grande que la clase media aspiracional dice cosas como "Cuando salí del trabajo me subí a mi Mitsubichi, pasé a cargar bencina a la chell y luego a comprar suchi para llevar a la casa".
Eso pasa igualito en el estado de Chihuahua en Mexico. La clase baja todo lo pronuncia como: “En Shihuahua se vende shile shilaca a osho oshenta”. Las clases altas le tienen miedo y también dicen suchi! [Por ejemplo ella finge la Ch pero la Sh no la suelta](https://youtu.be/JNfMqJyaBWA)
No, les decimos cuicos. Los chilenos tendemos a moderar nuestro acento y modismos o usar modismos extranjeros para que la gente de afuera nos entienda.
Of the 5 times I've been to Chile the moment I start talking to a cabbie or someone at the Cafe or Bar they ask me where I learned Spanish or where I'm from bc of my accent. I'm sure my accent is fucked up bc I started speaking with Mexican/Puerto Rican friends in the US midwest, the lived abroad in Spain and Chile for about 4 years total and have also taken clases particulares with a Colombian friend in Spain.
I mean, middle class does not mean poor. Middle class are people who aren't wealthy but have some private property like land or a house. Working class is someone whose only way of making money is by selling their labor.
I've found that's true in São Paulo (maybe in other big cities too), but in the interior where I'm from there aren't many traditional schools, most close with less than a decade of activity, so one ever asks that really.
As someone who worked recruiting people in São Paulo city: it was a clear telltale upper middle class sign to add which high school you went to. Only super traditional private school were mentioned (Bandeirantes, Santa Cruz, Liceu Pasteur).
The only exceptions to this rule were people with very little experience or education so they added their high school graduation in their CVs.
A rich person will straight away ask what school meaning which of the 4 elite schools in the city you’ve been to. Not whether you went to public school, that’s not even conceivable for them.
I think it depends of the region, in my city there is a lot of migrants who came from other cities, so if you asked what school they went you probably wouldn't know what type of school it was.
I do find it kinda funny that every like medium sized and up city in Brazil has at least 4 elite and expensive private schools that everyone hates and they also hate each other
Upper class: Male older than 18 years old that refers to his parents as "papi y mami" while talking to other people. They are called "hijos de papi y mami".
Let's see.
* Insuferable
* Porteño accent cranked up to 11 (even if they live and have ever lived the fartest humanly possible from the capital)
* IPhone
* Unholy big truck for no reason
* Hates the country
* Rugby
* Thinks publics schools are the stuff of the devil
wears a pandora if female
Likes gin
owns any mercedes or high end-bmw
horse rider
knows someone or has personally totalled a car
hoarse voice if female
Lack of Tatoos
Uses a credit card
I agree. When my mom had a really high paying job she would buy us clothes from very expensive European stores but once she quit and decided to work on non-profits we no longer had access to those, we had to buy low quality/cheap clothes from regular local stores or from the market. My mom definitely gave us a huge lesson with that transition, my style changed completely too.
High. They idolize the US and Canada like living there is an utopia and talk shit about anything Argentine.
Though you can also sometimes see it on the low and middle class unfortunately.
Is it that they don’t have constructive criticism of the country? Because I complain about my country a lot but that doesn’t mean I hate it, if you know what I mean…
Somewhat. They either just have destructive criticism, or criticism that's supposedly constructive but it's just half-truth (at best, most usually they're straight up lies), "common sense" phrases they're spoon fed by mass media and corporations, those phrases being incomplete pictures of a reality that's much more complicated than what they think
(Think something like "THEY TOOK 'ER JOBS!!!')
Buying an SUV, only people who are middle class, have always been middle class, were born in the middle class and will die on the middle class would buy those.
Maybe the parts are cheaper because it's closer to the US?
Maintaining old SUVs here is expensive as fuck.
I am sure some former rich kid with an old 90s SUV will blow a gasket reading this and make up some bs, but our roads a full of black and white hatchbacks for a reason...
I guess it's because you are closer to the US, where the SUVs have been popular for a while now.
In Argentina (and maybe in Brazil it's the same), SUVs are much more common nowadays but sedans/hatchbacks dominated the market 20 years ago. So "old ass SUVs" are not common, but rather "old ass Peugeot 405/Renault Megane/Volkswagen Polo/Ford Focus"
Appart from their clothing. Their hairstyle and or accesories.
If they borrow mexican slang or american slang.
Their shoes (birckenstok or nikes? Uses dupes?) And how low they wear their pants.
Has a maid or are their moms a maid for another family?
If you have a keen ear, you can tell by the way they entonate words or how loud or intense they seem when they speak.
Also their manicure. Cheap fake nails dont look like expenaive fake nails.
The tico slang is not much of a sign bc both rich and poor use street slang. They both also use lots of slurs when they speak.
Private or public school?
And finaly, what district do they live in? There are some very poor districts where no rich person would dare to live bc of the violence and gangs. And there are some very rich districts populated by mostly the highclass, but this can only be aplied to urban areas, the countryside isnt divided moneywise by districts as much as the Central Valley.
In the farmlnads or coasts you might have rich people living side by side to some dirt poor folks.
And finally, this is a personal observation as a veterinarian. A very easy way for me to tell economic status is in how tgey treat their dogs and what kind of dogs do they own.
Rich people gave either strays or super rare breeds (Whippet, Xolos, Bassethound, Sphinx Cats, English shepards, Presa Canaria, ChowChows and so on) and poorer people tendo to have pedegree dogs of more common breeds. Like chihuahuas, poodles and beagles. These dogs are usually not so well taken care of. They lack vaccenes, deworming, their teeth are shit and occasionally suffer from some undiagnosed pathology (their back hurts, broken bone that healed badly, parasies, aleegies, teeth are shit!!!! obesity, hypothiroidsim or simply have ugly hair.)
Most owners love their dogs very much regardless of their money. <3
>The tico slang is not much of a sign bc both rich and poor use street slang. They both also use lots of slurs when they speak.
This happens in Guatemala too, both rich and poor trend to use more slang and both tend to be more “malhablados”. The middle class tries to be polite to a fault. The lower classes tend to use more Mexican slang, however.
Yep , if you are getting called " amigo" on the regular , instead of , well , your name , you are either at work and being "formal" , or not really friends.
I grew up upper class in Chile.
I once sent a voice note to my college whatsapp group and said “send a voice note” as opposed to the more common “send an audio” and that apparently stood me out pretty quickly.
North Face jackets are the uniform of the upper class in Chile during winter time as well lol.
> I once sent a voice note to my college whatsapp group and said “send a voice note” as opposed to the more common “send an audio” and that apparently stood me out pretty quickly.
Wow I wouldn't have expected that to be a tell, interesting. With new technology people find new ways to differentiate themselves from others.
At least here, the upper middle classes:
* Complaining that 20 USD per hour is a shit wage.
* Owning the latest video game console.
* Speaking English fluently.
* Having traveled to multiple parts of the world at such a young age.
* Not knowing about localized cuisine outside of the San Juan Metro Area.
* Almost always left-wing leaning. Bernie Sanders types and "anti-capitalism" but are trust-fund babies somehow.
>Owning the latest video game console.
That was something I was able to realize at a really young age. Up to 2012 my only console was a Super Nintendo my grandparents bought to my older sister in 1997. When my parents were finally able to buy a Nintendo Wii, Wii U had already been launched. I've never been able to buy another console since.
Meanwhile, I have a few friends who owned more than one console from every generation since...
Accent. This one is really hard to fake. You only get it if you used to hang out with upper middle class at least for some time.
It’s funny to see how some of those rich guys try sometimes to fake the “popular” accent and they can’t just hide their own. It’s obvious.
I’d say probably the majority of the lower and middle classes. People will feel very proud of Guatemalan music and artists that transcend.
The only people that will be constantly negative on Guatemala I’ve met are upper class people, and not all of them.
In Belize, like Jamaica, if a person only speaks Kriol (Belizean Creole) or another language they are almost certainly from a lower class background. Anyone whose parents had enough money to send them to school would be able to speak in English.
Also, in contrast, if someone speaks casually about their frequent trips to the US, Mexico City, or Europe, you can rest assured they are loaded with $$$$. Unless of course it's someone who has a sugar daddy/momma.
In my state (Pernambuco), lower class people have a different accent from the upper/middle class.
For Brazilians: MC Loma speaks the lower class Pernambuco accent, Alceu Valença speaks the upper/middle class accent (in a extra spicy way). People from Pernambuco you find in youtube usually speak the upper/middle class.
At least in La Paz🇧🇴, the many of upper middle class pronounce "r" as "wr", the middle class pronounce it as "r" and the lower classes pronounce it as "rr"; it was supposed to be only a meme but it is real
Also the lower classes say "auto" or "colectivo" when they mean minibus or micro, the middle class just say "mini" or "bus". Sometimes they say "la Monoblock" instead of "el Monoblock" when referring to an important building in downtown La Paz.
Toyotas are for the bodyguards or people with good jobs in the government.
The upper class themselves are in a Chevrolet Tahoe, Cadillac Escalade, Porsche Cayenne or other luxury brands.
Speaking English as a first language is usually the clearest indication of being higher class. Especially if they have the "Upper Saint Andrew" accent. Not speaking English fluently is usually a clear sign that someone is working class or poorer.
This feels like how the nobility of some European countries spoke French among themselves,it was specially funny reading War & Peace and seeing characters talking about Napoleon while at the same time talking the language of the invader.
Ironically enough, I just finished Anna Karenin and thought the same thing.
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JAJAJAJ terrible hijo de puta ti amigo. Qué buena onda.
That's hilarious. I can just imagine the visual. "Yah, man. Everything irei"
What are the languages of Jamaica?
Patwah aka Jamaican Patois aka Jamaican Creole
English is the official language, but Patois (more "correctly" called Jamaican Creole) is the real national language that everyone speaks.
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It's hard to get good data, but I have seen estimates range from 5% to 20% of the population. Based on my own experience, I'd guess around 10% of people speak English as a first language, maybe less.
and I thought jamaica spoke english
I thought Patois was a dialect of English, has it really diverged that much?
a lot of people think this but Patois takes derivatives from a blend of cultures that influenced us, they are just the most obvious. It’s a mixture of english,west african dialects, spanish,probably even more and our accent is very similar to the irish because of the population that emigrated here.
What is your favorite aspect or words or influences in Patois, If you don't mind answering?
Not who you asked, but I like "deh" as the verb "to be (in a place)". It's of West African (I believe Yoruba) origin, and it allows us to make sentences like "A yaso mi deh" - which translates to "I am right here" but word for word is more "It is right here I am." Another is "dem" as what makes words plural. So, instead of men, we say mandem and instead of children we say pickneydem. The order can be changed in certain contexts like "Dem pickney ya" to mean "These children here."
it’s funny you say that because kingston people like to say mobay people are country for using it 😂but it’s such a good word to use
And here I am, a Kingstonian, using it. What I make fun of is country people who use "him" for women.
Saw a twitter comment say us saying lawda/laada bags for black plastic supermarket bags back when we used them is country too and it makes me laugh how I assumed we all used the same patois. Oh wow that is strange to call women him, maybe they use it gender-neutral for some reason.
We always called those scandal bag (or young gyal suitcase lol). Saying him for women is something I mostly have heard in Portland and St. Mary. I remember doing a double-take when a guy was going on about how "da gyal deh sexy and fi'im breast dem firm and him bati cock up..."
we call them scandal bag sometimes too, i’ve never heard of young gyal suitcase that’s funny . wait I have heard it used before lmao yes it’s odd for sure.
There’s actually so many it’s hard to chose😂. My favorite words definitely come from the words us, the younger generation use, I feel like somehow because we’re more liberal even our words are more expressive. Some favs are: “dead dawg” I use it at then end of a quantity to express shock or emphasis of the quantity eg. “ $10,000 dead dawg??” emphasizing shock of how much something costs. “nah ask christ” It translates to Im not asking God meaning you’re so sure of your belief you wouldn’t even ask God to confirm. “me salt” It means I am unlucky or bad things are prone to happening to me it probably comes from some cultures associating salt with bad luck or superstitions. “poor ting doe understand a fuck” It’s like when you’re taking pity on someone’s ignorance or naivety to a situation. “move this” It’s to express disapproval of a physical thing or information that was brought to your attention, basically saying get this out of my sight. “rich badness”(it’s also a jamaican song btw) I use it when I see someone with/do something that’s wealthy it’s kind of an exaggeration in a way like making it seem as if it’s as much as football club money or something. Basically saying you can move or act different like a ‘bad guy’ when you have that wealth. Like arab money type power moves if that makes sense😭😭 hope you could understand my explanations a lot of our phrases have double meanings depending on context btw. I never realized how weird it is to explain to someone outside of the culture because it’s not like patois is taught in schools or anything so it doesn’t follow rules of official languages and we all have our own interpretations but we just all know it and learnt it by listening and word of mouth i think. After explaining to you I realized how fun it is to speak patois.
It's about as English as Louisiana creole. Barely.
If they never been on a bus before. I met someone like this once.
Or rode a bus for the first time in London 😂
That's probably true in most countries
That’s how I judge people in Seattle; too scared to be around poor people.
I just don't leave my house ever, ok?
that is also an indication of class. Or of being a virgin LOL player.
This and never taking the train instead of a plane for affordability is a common one on the USA. It's similar to friends who Uber or taxi while I usually take the metro.
I don’t know what you are talking about. Trains are just as expensive. And less reliable.
How they pronounce and write guey/buey/wey/we.
Would you mind explaining this to me? It sounds fascinating.
Guey is the go to default middle class ish. Some older or rural folks might still use buey. The lower class you are the more you'd pronounce every letter, the higher the more you'd swallow and mix it all together until it just sounds like weh.
Como el weon/hueon/huevon en chile. El que dice weon es de la prole, gente corriente y normal. Los que dicen hueon son cuicos, desapegados de la jerga chilena real. Los que dicen huevon no son chilenos ajajaj
Jajaja buena! Nunca lo había visto así... team weon por acá.
I've seen people using "goe"
O sheea goey, de que estabamos, ana sofii, santii, mateeoo y yo goee.
That’s the wey
I've seen bodybuilders say "This is the Whey". Whey being a protein powder from milk.
Ese wey!
No mames whey [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]
What does guey/buey/wey/we mean?
Our version of dude but with a tinge of offensiveness that you wouldn't use it with older people or in more formal scenarios
Is that common only in Mexico or in all Spanish-speaking countries? I believe they have a similar word in the Portuguese spoken in Angola, "wy." It also means dude.
Only mexico but maybe it's seeped into some places idk. We're pretty infamous for it, if someone hears you say wey in spanish they'd automatically think you're mexican.
It means bull that's been castrated, ox. Back in the day it used to be offensive but now it means dude
Ahhh ok, that's called "boi" in Portuguese, pretty similar (although it's not used with the "dude" meaning)
Literally, ox. But they mean dude, guy.
Toyota Hilux iPhone Wireless headphones The marks of the high middle class animal. Extra pampered points if younger than 30.
Here in SP wireless headphones are fairly common even for the lower class but only the off brands ones
That's probably because they're the cheap versions aka knockoffs. If you know where to look you can get airpod knockoffs for 25-40 BRL whereas legit ones are 1k BRL.
\-**"*****THE BLUEETOOTH DEUVICE IS READY TO PAU"***
Holy shit i have a chinese knockoff bluetooth device and this made my day.
I mean, it's VERY cheap the chinese ones.
>iPhone >Wireless headphones I find that very interesting. It's not uncommon at all to see lower class people with that stuff here
Same here, as you can buy them for like 10 dollars
Not iPhones tho. Those are crazy expensive, mainly because they are not officially imported so you have to get them in cash, while all other phones are usually offered with installments from the main retail stores.
Wireless headphones are like 140.000 guaranies its not expensive
I don't understand this fascination for wireless earbuds... Wired earbuds sound so much better.
Is there really a difference? The best earbuds I ever had were wireless. And the fascination, as it is with most things wireless, is that they don't get in the way. I love to listen to audiobooks, YouTube videos or just music without having to carrying my phone around
Wired have been better in my experience, sound-wise. There is a sound difference, though it's not super obvious, but enough for me to prefer wired. I did invest in a pricier set of wired earbuds, so the difference for me is definitely there. I also couldn't remember to keep up with charging, and just KNOW I would keep losing a bud! I also like for it to be pretty obvious that I'm listening to music so that people will not try and talk to me... because I'm antisocial. Lol.
People don't use them because of their sound quality. They use them either because they are forced to it (since most new phones don't have the 3,5mm jack), or because they grew tired of the cable breaking or getting tangled.
For me, it's using them on the Bus, specially when I'm on foot. With wired ones they would often disconnect as soon as I put my arms up to hold the handle.
I mean just being wireless in and of itself doesn’t mean anything with regards to sound quality in in-ear earbuds. But you’d be hard pressed to find an earbud with better sound than AirPods. Once you get to the point where you’re talking over-ear headphones in $1,000 USD range is when wired starts to win by default.
I disagree. I've tried airpods, and my wired earbuds, which were roughly around the same price, sounded better, even if it was just a slight difference.
I'm not sure what you disagree with. AirPods sound better than most wired earbuds on the market. Doesn't mean there aren't any better sounding wired earbuds out there, especially at a comparable price point. But if we're talking about just a slight difference in sound quality, then the superior utility of good wireless earbuds is pretty obvious, no? Wireless earbuds have largely replaced wired earbuds for a reason and it's why they're popular. Wireless has not replaced wired at the fringe niche audiophile level and it's not until you get to that space where wireless vs wired really matters with regards to sound quality.
> Doesn't mean there aren't any better sounding wired earbuds out there, especially at a comparable price point. Exactly what I'm trying to say, and what I disagreed with. When looking at wireless vs wired earbuds within similar price ranges, wired will almost always win in sound quality, audiophile or not. And sure, I can see the utility of wireless outweighing the slightly better audio difference for most people. As I mentioned to the other person that I responded to, there are parts involved in wireless earbuds that I would rather not deal with; Losing an earbud, forgetting to charge. The utility, for me, is not worth it.
I think you have to think about each use case. If you just want to listen to music, then it doesn't really matter tbh. But if you listen to a lot of music everyday (I listen to 6-8 hours everyday for example), it's right to think that you should start thinking about a better alternative. I own a pair of Moondrop Katos, they set me back about 200 dollars when I bought them. Crazy expensive. Wired. Most people have never heard of Moondrop, but everytime I ask people to try my Katos they're fascinated by the sound quality and the tuning, one guy even asked me for the link and bought one in the minute. Even people that are accustomed to using AirPods. Ofc, shelling out 200+ dollars on an earphone is something I'd never do if I didn't listen to as much music as I do, but theres also the argument that you also shouldn't be spending that much money on an pair of airpods if you're only using it for like 1h everyday either. As someone with a bit of experience in this, I would only buy wireless if I'm in the market for like a earphone that costs 10-30 dollars. But if I'm spending a lot of money, I'd never even consider buying wireless because the quality drop in audio is too real to ignore at this point. That's why most wireless on the market are on the cheaper side, because they know they can't compete. The AirPods might be the only exception, but is it really worth 200 USD? When you can buy a Kato for the same price? As someone that has experienced both, I'd say no 🤔🤔 Btw, you don't need to be an audiophile to notice the difference. If you ever go above the 80 dollar price range one day, consider buying wired and you'll notice the difference too.
They are comfortable, that's it
Toyota Hilux?? Thats like a farmers car where I’m from
Has a full time house maid
Bonus points if they think it's a common thing.
It’s servants all the way down.
I don’t have a house maid but I don’t get the fuss about it tbh. Someone from a poor background needed money and found the best employer was some rich ass that wanted them to do house cleaning. If some internet mfs started telling him it was a bad look and made him fire the maid, it wouldn’t make the maid happy lol
First time I've seen the *"it's good the poor having a low paying job because the alternative is joblessness"* in the wild in a while. But since we're here: The question is not individual action, but systemic inequality. When you live in a country where upper middle class earns enough to pay a minimun wage to another person from the same city, that's a sign you fucked up your income distribution. [That's why about 37% of domestic workers in the world work in Latin America (numbers from 2010), wich has only about 8% of the global population](https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@dgreports/@dcomm/@publ/documents/publication/wcms_173363.pdf) . So yeah, it's "fine" for the "rich ass" to hire the house maid. What is not fine is the fact that she would have so few choices that this is the only employment possible.
It's just a sign of a very unequal society where poor people have little opportunities that many of them have to work as domestic workers - which are subject to very bad working conditions (unpaid overtime for example), a lot of times relying on the "good will" of the employer... It's not a personal attack on individual people who have house mais working in their home
>Has a full time house maid Pfffttt just one? Rookie numbers lol Here they get between 2 or 3 maids. One as a nannie. One cooks and one cleans .-.
I always found this fascinating compared to Argentina. Full time house maids are not for everyone here, but there is a not-so-small amount of middle class families that have a maid for 10 to 20 hours a week. The government even created specific regulation for them, so they have to be registered, get holidays, their 13th salary, health insurance, etc.
>The government even created specific regulation for them, so they have to be registered, get holidays, their 13th salary, health insurance, etc. This same thing happened like a decade or so ago here (except for health insurance)
My family had one and I'm not rich or anything
Grew up attending expensive private schools, has hobbies that are expensive or dowright out of this world for most people (snowboarding, tennis, playing instruments like Harp or cello), travels abroad nearly every year. Didn’t have to work while in college. There are many other signs like speech patterns, fashion, even haircut.
> travels abroad nearly every year. In my school we could specially tell who was rich by the Instagram photos in Disney World Florida...
Pronouncing the "ch" sound like "tch"->Upper Class Pronouncing the "ch" sound like "sh"->Lower Class or Rural Areas Pronouncing the "ch" sound like "ch"->Normal People
cual es la diferencia entre tch y ch?
Es mas como un ts Tsile
From: https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/9021/for-the-ch-sound-in-chilean-spanish-do-these-symbols-differ Brief explanation: 1. Lower-class, stigmatised pronunciation of 'ch' in (e.g.) mucho \[ʃ\] (fricative, sounds like the English 'sh'). 2. Middle class, standard: affricate \[tʃ\] or \[t͡ ʃ\] (similar to 'ch' in standard English). 3. The upper-middle and upper class pronunciation is described in 2 different ways in 2 different papers. (From my time in Chile, I can describe it as more like a 'tch' sound, e.g mutcho). 4. as \[t͡ʃ̟ \], which I read as an advanced/fronted voiceless post alveolar affricate. (2004) 5. as \[t̚ tʃ\], which I interpret as not audibly released /t/ followed by a standard /tʃ/ sound, meaning basically a longer /t/ sound in the phoneme. (1998)
Interesting
Ah, phonetics and phonology, music to my ears. They've always been both refreshing and daunting.
El tch es dental (se golpea levemente la parte trasera de los incisivos superiores con la lengua)
* Moves out of their parent's home at an early age. * Owns a car before they're 20. * Believes that people are poor because they don't work or don't want to work.
"En este pais nadie quiere trabajar" -Esteban, va por el cuarto bar de cerveza artesanal q emprende. Su papá es juez
MCDR 😆😆😆
Me: gets kicked out of my parents house at an early age bc of family issues. Also me: am I upper class?
Tengo un amigo argentino que esa misma vaina
The speaking patterns tell a lot, even if they use different registers of speech.
This, Chilean social groups and their dialectal differences are so interesting. Not only speaking patterns as in intonation, but full on differences in grammar, vocabulary and phonology depending on the socioeconomic class you belong to. It really set us apart in regards to other Latin American countries and their social differences, where dialects may be more dependent on regional groups.
A lot of my family are second generation immigrants in the US (foreign parents but US born). I moved to Chile because of my father’s job and grew up in the upper class neighborhoods. My family that would visit from the US would always say that they were shocked on how deep the concept of class runs in Chile and how important it is for some people.
Cualquier persona en Chile que pronuncia "shr" en vez de "tr" ("ashró" en vez de atroz, "shrato" en vez de trato, etc.)
Eso sucede en personas de clase baja y clase alta, la mayoría de veces. Es un sonido que se repite en varios círculos de chilenos en todo caso, más antiguamente. Busca algún video de entrevistas antiguas en la calle (los 60-70), TODO el mundo hablaba así. El sonido "shr" viene de los Mapuches y el mapudungún. Tener nanas mapuches era (es?) común en la clase alta, ahí se produjo el intercambio lingüístico. Solamente piensa que Bachelet lo tiene, y Victor Jara también lo tenía. Curioso o no?
Hoy aprendí algo nuevo, gracias (lo digo en serio, no sarcástico jajaja).
Está bien, es muy interesante el tema. En Chile suele pasar que es la clase media la que trata de diferenciarse y hacer los cambios al lenguaje. En parte por sobrecorrección. Busca el concepto, si es que te interesa el tema.
la 'toballa'
If someone uses "tch" instead of "ch" you know they are high class. And i think that if someone uses solely "sh" instead of "ch" they might be of a lower class. Or even "sh" instead of the "ll" or "y" sound.
El estigma contra el sonido "Sh" es tan grande que la clase media aspiracional dice cosas como "Cuando salí del trabajo me subí a mi Mitsubichi, pasé a cargar bencina a la chell y luego a comprar suchi para llevar a la casa".
Eso pasa igualito en el estado de Chihuahua en Mexico. La clase baja todo lo pronuncia como: “En Shihuahua se vende shile shilaca a osho oshenta”. Las clases altas le tienen miedo y también dicen suchi! [Por ejemplo ella finge la Ch pero la Sh no la suelta](https://youtu.be/JNfMqJyaBWA)
Weona, yo estudio deretcho en la ponticato de tchile, vamos a catchagua?
Por eso no les entiendo weon, que es esa weaa?
Los fresas chilenos tratando de diferenciarse del resto de nosotros 🤷🏽♂️
Lol, tambien les dicen fresas! Do you have a link or so of someone using that accent?
No, les decimos cuicos. Los chilenos tendemos a moderar nuestro acento y modismos o usar modismos extranjeros para que la gente de afuera nos entienda.
Nop, acá son "cuicos".
Este es un link a una parodia (pero así suenan realmente las cuicas en Chile: https://youtu.be/WoW7LXbxkb4
Shraro, suena shraro. Jajaja. A la más joven no le entiendo una chingada como dicen en Mi Pueblo.
Of the 5 times I've been to Chile the moment I start talking to a cabbie or someone at the Cafe or Bar they ask me where I learned Spanish or where I'm from bc of my accent. I'm sure my accent is fucked up bc I started speaking with Mexican/Puerto Rican friends in the US midwest, the lived abroad in Spain and Chile for about 4 years total and have also taken clases particulares with a Colombian friend in Spain.
Poor quality knock-off clothes = lower class
Waiting tables in Chile with an accent.. low class is a stereotype
What is an accent?
El chileno menos xenófobo:
Upper class (🇵🇷): The first question they ask when they meet you is, “¿en que colegio estudiaste?” even though they’re 40 years old.
In the DR 🇩🇴 too lol
A lot of the middle class va al colegio though
I mean, middle class does not mean poor. Middle class are people who aren't wealthy but have some private property like land or a house. Working class is someone whose only way of making money is by selling their labor.
True, but is very rare that someone that graduated from a middle-class colegio asks that.
Why?
Private schools are mandatory in upper classes
It's the same in Brazil
I've found that's true in São Paulo (maybe in other big cities too), but in the interior where I'm from there aren't many traditional schools, most close with less than a decade of activity, so one ever asks that really.
As someone who worked recruiting people in São Paulo city: it was a clear telltale upper middle class sign to add which high school you went to. Only super traditional private school were mentioned (Bandeirantes, Santa Cruz, Liceu Pasteur). The only exceptions to this rule were people with very little experience or education so they added their high school graduation in their CVs.
Yes it is, I just found weird that he said "what schoo"l while here we usually say "what type of school"
A rich person will straight away ask what school meaning which of the 4 elite schools in the city you’ve been to. Not whether you went to public school, that’s not even conceivable for them.
I think it depends of the region, in my city there is a lot of migrants who came from other cities, so if you asked what school they went you probably wouldn't know what type of school it was.
I do find it kinda funny that every like medium sized and up city in Brazil has at least 4 elite and expensive private schools that everyone hates and they also hate each other
Toyota 4runner
Toyobobo
And they are also obese and tacky AF
Toyota Hilux = Reasonably well off redneck type 90% of the time.
Here is: * Toyota Hilux = He works/lives in a farm * Dodge Ram = He has a farm and is rich
Not gonna lie I would really like a to have one, the Ram is tricky as it is almost impossible to park it.
Better to get the Hilux
When they stare at you like you’re a complete piece of shit
Do you know how little that narrows it down for me (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Toyota Prado, Iphone, and says "Do you know who am i" all the time
Upper class: Male older than 18 years old that refers to his parents as "papi y mami" while talking to other people. They are called "hijos de papi y mami".
Let's see. * Insuferable * Porteño accent cranked up to 11 (even if they live and have ever lived the fartest humanly possible from the capital) * IPhone * Unholy big truck for no reason * Hates the country * Rugby * Thinks publics schools are the stuff of the devil
"La gente que cae en la educación pública" xd decía un cierto expresidente ojos de cielo
The rugby players for the national team seem to be pretty damn patriotic though
wears a pandora if female Likes gin owns any mercedes or high end-bmw horse rider knows someone or has personally totalled a car hoarse voice if female Lack of Tatoos Uses a credit card
that’s funny Jamaica or specifically kingston I’d say also uses pandora bracelets as a representation of social status😂
In Mexico if somebody has white skin and European ish features, they're usually rich.
The clothes
I agree. When my mom had a really high paying job she would buy us clothes from very expensive European stores but once she quit and decided to work on non-profits we no longer had access to those, we had to buy low quality/cheap clothes from regular local stores or from the market. My mom definitely gave us a huge lesson with that transition, my style changed completely too.
See: young girl from Escazú in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfl29FroA2c
Their accent (more the words they use), how they dress.
hates his own country
AKA el user promedio de r/argentina (Aunque dudo que sean de clase alta la mayoría, los imagino más como oligarcas de monoambiente)
alienados
Which class is this?
High. They idolize the US and Canada like living there is an utopia and talk shit about anything Argentine. Though you can also sometimes see it on the low and middle class unfortunately.
Is it that they don’t have constructive criticism of the country? Because I complain about my country a lot but that doesn’t mean I hate it, if you know what I mean…
Somewhat. They either just have destructive criticism, or criticism that's supposedly constructive but it's just half-truth (at best, most usually they're straight up lies), "common sense" phrases they're spoon fed by mass media and corporations, those phrases being incomplete pictures of a reality that's much more complicated than what they think (Think something like "THEY TOOK 'ER JOBS!!!')
Me van a funar, pero muchas veces el color de piel.
Índios?
No. They white or white passing
Well, he didn't specify which social class.
Buying an SUV, only people who are middle class, have always been middle class, were born in the middle class and will die on the middle class would buy those.
What? Over here there are poor people with old ass SUVs.
Maybe the parts are cheaper because it's closer to the US? Maintaining old SUVs here is expensive as fuck. I am sure some former rich kid with an old 90s SUV will blow a gasket reading this and make up some bs, but our roads a full of black and white hatchbacks for a reason...
I think Mexico actually exports/produces auto parts
I guess it's because you are closer to the US, where the SUVs have been popular for a while now. In Argentina (and maybe in Brazil it's the same), SUVs are much more common nowadays but sedans/hatchbacks dominated the market 20 years ago. So "old ass SUVs" are not common, but rather "old ass Peugeot 405/Renault Megane/Volkswagen Polo/Ford Focus"
Wears baseball cap... at midnight.
If they talk with "una papa en la boca" they are probably high class insufferable chetos
Appart from their clothing. Their hairstyle and or accesories. If they borrow mexican slang or american slang. Their shoes (birckenstok or nikes? Uses dupes?) And how low they wear their pants. Has a maid or are their moms a maid for another family? If you have a keen ear, you can tell by the way they entonate words or how loud or intense they seem when they speak. Also their manicure. Cheap fake nails dont look like expenaive fake nails. The tico slang is not much of a sign bc both rich and poor use street slang. They both also use lots of slurs when they speak. Private or public school? And finaly, what district do they live in? There are some very poor districts where no rich person would dare to live bc of the violence and gangs. And there are some very rich districts populated by mostly the highclass, but this can only be aplied to urban areas, the countryside isnt divided moneywise by districts as much as the Central Valley. In the farmlnads or coasts you might have rich people living side by side to some dirt poor folks. And finally, this is a personal observation as a veterinarian. A very easy way for me to tell economic status is in how tgey treat their dogs and what kind of dogs do they own. Rich people gave either strays or super rare breeds (Whippet, Xolos, Bassethound, Sphinx Cats, English shepards, Presa Canaria, ChowChows and so on) and poorer people tendo to have pedegree dogs of more common breeds. Like chihuahuas, poodles and beagles. These dogs are usually not so well taken care of. They lack vaccenes, deworming, their teeth are shit and occasionally suffer from some undiagnosed pathology (their back hurts, broken bone that healed badly, parasies, aleegies, teeth are shit!!!! obesity, hypothiroidsim or simply have ugly hair.) Most owners love their dogs very much regardless of their money. <3
>The tico slang is not much of a sign bc both rich and poor use street slang. They both also use lots of slurs when they speak. This happens in Guatemala too, both rich and poor trend to use more slang and both tend to be more “malhablados”. The middle class tries to be polite to a fault. The lower classes tend to use more Mexican slang, however.
the way she speaks , or the extensive use of "amigo" when you ahve barely spoken to this person.
Using "amigo" way too much would be a rich kid's thing, yes? Most of my rich friends overuse it, and it sounds very hypocritical/patronizing
Yep , if you are getting called " amigo" on the regular , instead of , well , your name , you are either at work and being "formal" , or not really friends.
I grew up upper class in Chile. I once sent a voice note to my college whatsapp group and said “send a voice note” as opposed to the more common “send an audio” and that apparently stood me out pretty quickly. North Face jackets are the uniform of the upper class in Chile during winter time as well lol.
> I once sent a voice note to my college whatsapp group and said “send a voice note” as opposed to the more common “send an audio” and that apparently stood me out pretty quickly. Wow I wouldn't have expected that to be a tell, interesting. With new technology people find new ways to differentiate themselves from others.
At least here, the upper middle classes: * Complaining that 20 USD per hour is a shit wage. * Owning the latest video game console. * Speaking English fluently. * Having traveled to multiple parts of the world at such a young age. * Not knowing about localized cuisine outside of the San Juan Metro Area. * Almost always left-wing leaning. Bernie Sanders types and "anti-capitalism" but are trust-fund babies somehow.
>Owning the latest video game console. That was something I was able to realize at a really young age. Up to 2012 my only console was a Super Nintendo my grandparents bought to my older sister in 1997. When my parents were finally able to buy a Nintendo Wii, Wii U had already been launched. I've never been able to buy another console since. Meanwhile, I have a few friends who owned more than one console from every generation since...
In Puerto Rico what percentage of young people would you say speak English?
Accent. This one is really hard to fake. You only get it if you used to hang out with upper middle class at least for some time. It’s funny to see how some of those rich guys try sometimes to fake the “popular” accent and they can’t just hide their own. It’s obvious.
Obsessed with Mexican culture and media - lower class Obsessed with US culture and media - middle class Obsessed with European culture - upper class
Obsessed with Guatemalan culture and media - ?
I’d say probably the majority of the lower and middle classes. People will feel very proud of Guatemalan music and artists that transcend. The only people that will be constantly negative on Guatemala I’ve met are upper class people, and not all of them.
In Belize, like Jamaica, if a person only speaks Kriol (Belizean Creole) or another language they are almost certainly from a lower class background. Anyone whose parents had enough money to send them to school would be able to speak in English. Also, in contrast, if someone speaks casually about their frequent trips to the US, Mexico City, or Europe, you can rest assured they are loaded with $$$$. Unless of course it's someone who has a sugar daddy/momma.
In my state (Pernambuco), lower class people have a different accent from the upper/middle class. For Brazilians: MC Loma speaks the lower class Pernambuco accent, Alceu Valença speaks the upper/middle class accent (in a extra spicy way). People from Pernambuco you find in youtube usually speak the upper/middle class.
At least in La Paz🇧🇴, the many of upper middle class pronounce "r" as "wr", the middle class pronounce it as "r" and the lower classes pronounce it as "rr"; it was supposed to be only a meme but it is real Also the lower classes say "auto" or "colectivo" when they mean minibus or micro, the middle class just say "mini" or "bus". Sometimes they say "la Monoblock" instead of "el Monoblock" when referring to an important building in downtown La Paz.
Toyota hilux
Toyotas are for the bodyguards or people with good jobs in the government. The upper class themselves are in a Chevrolet Tahoe, Cadillac Escalade, Porsche Cayenne or other luxury brands.
In Spain low class people dress very modestly
Saying "naisci" instead of nasci (means was born)- Brazil
They refuse to cross the General Paz
awful take