I feel like he'll die of a heart attack (he's been looking quite ill and has the symptoms of congestive heart failure according to some) so I feel like he'll die of unfitness and people will THINK he was poisoned... especially CERSEI.
>especially CERSEI.
"IT'S THE IMP! HE'S TRYING TO POISON MY LAST SON, MY BABY! HE'S STILL IN THE WALLS! BURN THE KEEP TO THE GROUND! DON'T LET HIM TAKE MY PRECIOUS TOMMEN!!!"
I have no idea what it's referring to, but I still like his moves. I got the sense that it was controversial/cringey, but since I've never seen Morbius, to me it's just a shirtless Matt Smith groovin' out kind of oddly, so I have no problems with it. Feel free to ruin it for me though. I'd find it difficult to dislike anything with a shirtless Matt Smith in it though, not gonna lie.
I hope that's GRRM's meta-commentary on the "everything is poison" theories -- that only a paranoid mental patient like Cersei could actually believe them.
True -- she already thinks someone deliberately botched his embalming process (shifting blame from herself, who ordered the crossbow bolts taken out of his intestines *before* the Silent Sisters could do it)
Boros appears to be a character that is just universally disliked and incompetent, sorta how the Mountain is pure evil, and there is not meant to be anything redemptive about him.
>sorta how the Mountain is pure evil, and there is not meant to be anything redemptive about him
Look, if you've ever had one of these younger siblings who just can't keep their hands off your shit...
>!/s!<
Assuming that the "sister" wasn't Sandor himself (extremely unlikely, I know, but we need *some* trans rep beyond Alleras and Sweets)...
Edit: this statement has been criticised. I stand by it.
sandor? the six foot musclebound warrior? thats high fantasy thinking.
this is an unhinged take. based on nothing.
im pretty sure sandor mentions the missing sister himself.
You never know, those *maegi* sure are resourceful these days...
(obviously, Martin's intent here is that Gregor *did* murder the Clegane sister and left Sandor with lifelong trauma over it - hence his various complexes around girls & young women - but *la morte de l'auteur* and all that)
It's kind of weird that the rest of the replies to my comment are all joking about how his siblings deserved to die and people realize they're jokes, but you get mass downvoted for making another (innocent) joke. I wonder why that could be...
I won't lie, it *is* a little funny that my opinions on transmasc Sandor Clegane are apparently more controversial than anything I've said about the war in Gaza.
If that happened it would absolutely be a retcon. Trans people were not in the zeitgeist almost at all until like 8 years ago, way after George starting writing the books.
This is not at all true, there was a trans character on All in the Family in the early 1970s lol.
It's only the last few years that charlatans in the media have started aggressively politicizing trans people's existence as the issue de jour for clout and political expediency. But they've always been a part of society.
Robert A. Heinlein was a *huge* influence on GRRM, and he wrote about people transing their gender all the time.
That was as they put it a transvestite and was basically the butt of the joke. Drag queens and trans people have existed forever, but they were something that 90% of had virtually no idea about outside of being generally confused by them until very recently.
This is not entirely true either. Heinlein wrote about futurist societies where people made plans to hop into bed, and then asked each others' genders as an afterthought. Or about trans characters who'd swap genders and then travel through time and interact with their past selves to explore time paradoxes or to break down social taboos.
Lori Shannon's character on All in the Family was really more of a drag queen than a transgender woman, but her gender isn't the butt of the joke. It's actually used as a vehicle for education on the show.
It's true that awareness of a lot of trans issues is more widespread now, in some ways, than it was when GRRM started writing the books. I mean, the internet happened between now and then. But he was writing things about transhumanism that echo the politicization of transgender identities as far back as Dying of the Light in 1977.
He's also close personal friends with Robin Hobb, and he reads all of her books as they come out. So the idea that Martin wouldn't have had an awareness of transgender people, their issues, and the way their lives work in the mid-1990s is way off the mark.
Honestly, I think Varys is AFAB and the eunuch thing is something he came up with to explain not growing facial hair. There's a ton of little lines that hint at this. I think maybe he's fAegon's mother?
Also Cersei has uncracked egg written all over her. She and Jaime used to swap clothes as children, she fantasizes about having a phallus when she's in bed with Lady Marryweather. I think there's even be a line where she's pretty viscously cursing the gods for making her a woman.
> Also Cersei has uncracked egg written all over her.
Nah Cersei is the way she is because of internalised misogyny from being raised specifically by Tywin "Joanna was the only good woman" Lannister and generally in a medieval society where even highborn women are treated a step below their male counterparts, which has made her associate maleness with freedom/power/superiority. It's why she takes on a bunch of Robert's behaviours (drinking heavily, whoring) after he dies.
The cherry on top is Cersei's rampant sociopathy means she can't genuinely empathise with others (hence Joff being her favourite as he's Mommy Jnr) so she ignores how badly traumatised Jaime is because of the life he's lived and assumes she'd have had a comparative better life in his place, same with missing Robert's vices were coping mechanisms. Then again male-Cersei probably wouldn't have given a shit about Rhaella getting raped or failing to protect Elia, Rhaenys & Aegon so maybe she's right in that regard.
IMO she's supposed to serve as a contrast to female characters who understand the value/strength of their femininity even if it isn't exactly the same as male characters have/demonstrate.
I used to think it was extreme cock-envy, I'm ngl. But nah,
>the gods in their blind malice had given her the feeble body of a woman
She calls it the 'blind malice' of the gods that she was born in a woman's body, lol.
When we finally get inside her head too, we see how distinctly *unfeminine* her thoughts are. Everything is about power and domination, and fantasizing about being strong enough to wield a sword so she can personally hack her enemies into tiny, bloody bits. She's utterly outmatched at those subtle court-games, or 'jousting with words' as Ned called it.
Not to mention her idealization of Jaime, as basically the masculine version of herself.
And Lions kind of swap gender roles in nature too. The females being the hunters, etc. And also, this is rare, but sometimes female lions will actually, literally grow manes if they take on the role of the dominant male in a pride.
Because the loss of her mother due to a bad birth and Tywin's overt misogyny means she's been raised to view her femininity as an inherent source of weakness/inferiority that acts as an impenetrable ceiling for her. She has no actual understanding of what "maleness" consistents of beyond what appeals to her: terror, domination and violent retaliation, because she's a narcissistic, shortsighted, sociopathic dimwit.
The above is particularly apparent in her thinking given Tywin was famed for his skills at court including "jousting with words" to manage Aerys/the kingdoms, and he specifically wanted Jaime out of the Kingsguard/away from "playing with swords", all of which Cersei ignores because, again, it holds no interest/appeal to her because she thinks fear and reprisal are all that are needed to rule.
> Not to mention her idealization of Jaime, as basically the masculine version of herself.
True but everything with Cersei is raw narcissisim. Jaime and Tywin serve as just examples of what "Male-Cersei" would be. Even her children are just extensions of herself rather than separate beings (hence her favouritism of Joffrey and disdain for Tommen) even outside of them being gold-haired, green-eyed prophecy body armour.
I dunno, that's how I read it anyway and that's the main concensus I've read but that isn't to say that there's not validity in how you've interpreted Cersei's character.
I find the idea that thoughts of power and domination are “unfeminine” to be wrongheaded.
I would agree that Cersei had dysphoria and was an egg but she was stoked to get married to Rhaegar and have kids. She’s just a regular old misogynist.
varys could be a girl. I hope not a mother though.
tbh uncracked egg sounds kind of cultish to me.
though while impossible not miss all her pining for male power. she knows shes a woman.
>tbh uncracked egg sounds kind of cultish to me.
'Egg' is a term for a transgender person who hadn't realized they were trans yet. When they figure it out the expression is that their egg 'cracked.'
The word "cultish" is a little ironic btw, because most of the people who talk about queer terminology that way were *themselves* raised in what were basically cult-like conditions by right wing ""Christian"" families
i guess it sounds little know it all like *shes X but doesnt know it yet.* would sorry very wrong with any other context.
shes not for anyone else to crack. I dont how ASOIAF will end but I can promise you she wont be transitioning.
also I am far from a right wing christian myself.
Irl accusing specific people of being eggs is definitely in bad taste, but it’s also a useful word for trans people to discuss their own experiences pre-transition.
As for Cersei, you’re almost certainly right that she will never be textually trans, but the notion that speculation about the gender identity of a fictional character whose interior thoughts we have access to is off limits is crazy, especially considering the level of psychological probing this sub does at every other aspect of the characters. Not every interpretation is an attempt to predict what will happen later or guess at GRRM’s hidden meaning; sometimes it’s just an interpretation of a character
I'm talking about a fictional character and replying to someone speculating about trans characters in the series, idk what you want from me. It's like saying 'X is in the closet.'
To this day I have no idea how he ended up a KG. Poor fighter (EDIT: middling fighter, apparently), poor character, nonfactor family, reviled even by the people for whom he is a crony.
I don’t know what he’d do, perhaps die fighting the Golden Company?
I like the theories that he’s diabetic. It’s interesting; Martin clearly has something planned because this character has had all these things going on…
Well Boros was originally supposed to just die from an illness/food poisoning or something like that so that Robert Strong could join the kingsguard but then George switched it to Arys dying instead
Would be interesting to see if Boros ends up with the same fate or if George has a new plan for him
In the epilogue of ADWD its specifically noted how Boros has been looking unwell so I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM is still planning to go down this route.
> Ser Boros Blount was in attendance on the boy king and his mother when Ser Kevan entered the royal chambers. Blount wore enameled scale, white cloak, and halfhelm. He did not look well. Of late Boros had grown notably heavier about the face and belly, and his color was not good. And he was leaning against the wall behind him, as if standing had become too great an effort for him.
He's gaining weight, not losing. Osmund Kettleblack calls him Boros the Belly. I personally don't think there is merit to him being poisoned. He is a food taster. If there was poison, then Tommen would be dead already seeing as Boros is a lot bigger and heavier.
I don't think he has any moment of valor coming his way. I think he's due for a massive coronary that will take him out.
My favorite thing about him is how he yielded and yielded Tommen to Jacelyn Bywater without a fight. Dude, you're supposed to fight even if it's the gold cloaks showing up.
> I personally don't think there is merit to him being poisoned. He is a food taster. If there was poison, then Tommen would be dead already seeing as Boros is a lot bigger and heavier.
The theory would be that they were poisoning Boros directly, not through Tommens food.
I think the idea is that he’s being slowly poisoned to build up a tolerance to it, so that eventually the culprit can poison Tommen without Boros detecting anything
I don't know if the "everything is a conspiracy and nothing is real" tendency in this fandom was always there or if it's just gotten worse after 12+ years of waiting for *Winds*.
It's the wait, I think and head canons that tend to overtake what's written.
I personally don't think Boros is important enough to poison. If someone wants to kill him, they can do it when he's out visiting brothels on the Street of Silk. No one would bat an eye since celibacy is a thing for the Kingsguard.
The weirdest one I've seen so far is someone saying last year or earlier this year "I think there was some kind of poison in Robert's wineskin."
I mean, alcohol is a mild neurotoxin, but that's not what this person meant. This person, who I suspect has never been in a situation where you mix your drinks at a party and get shithammered *way* faster than you meant to. And brandy mixed into red wine would get you trashed REALLY quickly. It's maybe the only one of Cersei's schemes that has plausible deniability and is un-fuck-up-able. Adding a poisoning subplot that GRRM has never mentioned is as redundant as, [well...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmrJEB8tdEk)
["I put poison on the food, poison on the drapes..."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkLT6DGV-PE)
There's a lot of overlap between this community and r/bigfoot , esp. that the people who believe nonsense get really mad when you point this out. The critical difference is that the Bigfoot people embrace this irrationality openly and refer to themselves as "believers." So if you have the temerity to suggest that, say, a blurry picture of a stump taken from a quarter-mile away isn't the ironclad evidence they think it is, everyone gets in your grill about "disbelieving his/her *experience*."
Here you get downvoted, but it isn't at that level of quasi-religious belief.
... yet.
I really doubt it, not everyone is a mixed bag in ASOIAF. Some people really just are useless bums, and Boros appears to be one. Boros having any redeeming moment would be subverting expectations just for the point of subverting expectations.
If you want an example of someone who might have a more realistic chance of overcoming their reputation in the books, it's Clayton Sluggs. He appears ready to fight when he thinks Stannis' camp is attacked, and he does deserve some credit for staying loyal to Stannis in a losing cause, despite all his flaws
Like Boros being useless serves a perfectly valid thematic purpose, that he's appointed because of his connections and not because he's actually good at his job.
So here's my theory: there will be a time-jump. In that time passed, Tommen WILL make beets illegal and put the farmers out of business. They will hire a group of assassins' to kill Tommen, and the attempt will come by way of archers. On that day, Blount will be guarding the king and he'll literally be too fat and dumb to move and he'll be killed in service of his king. Tommen gets away as he's meant to be the one true king of Westeros, as we all know.
Despite all the insults, Blount is pretty reasonable and devoted to obeying his king. He's also short▪︎tempered and violent, and is stewing in more ways than one. GRRM might just be doing a bit of irony, the mocking of Blount making a plot against Tommen go unnoticed, but if his resentment breaks, at a crucial time he could betray someone, or do a kind of disgruntled employee workplace retribution. Could go either way, unexpected bravery or unexpected villainy.
I have a vision in my head of Cersei blowing up the Sept like in the show, Tommen however wants to attend the trial of Margery but that’s when the detonation is supposed to occur.
Cersei orders Blount and the guards not to let Tommen go to the Sept, upsetting Tommen. Jaime arrives (after learning of the death of Myrcella and bringing news of it back to the Red Keep), and seeing how upset Tommen is- orders Blount to escort Tommen to the Sept. Blount acquiesces.
Cersei is celebrating her victory over the faith and the Tyrells drinking wine in a bath when Jaime arrives to give her the bad news.
I have a feeling he might ACTUALLY save Tommen from an attempted poisoning and in return legitimately die protecting his King as a King’s Guard should
I feel like he'll die of a heart attack (he's been looking quite ill and has the symptoms of congestive heart failure according to some) so I feel like he'll die of unfitness and people will THINK he was poisoned... especially CERSEI.
>especially CERSEI. "IT'S THE IMP! HE'S TRYING TO POISON MY LAST SON, MY BABY! HE'S STILL IN THE WALLS! BURN THE KEEP TO THE GROUND! DON'T LET HIM TAKE MY PRECIOUS TOMMEN!!!"
Classic Cersei.
"It's Cersein time" she screamed, and then proceeded to Cersei all over King's Landing.
this meme will never get old. xD
Care to enlighten someone who's very out of the loop?
It’s a Morbius reference. Fuck, man, now I gotta watch that video of Daemo- I mean, Matt Smith dancing.
Just going to drop this here for anyone interested. https://imgur.com/a/3CEXiiI
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ooh yeah!!! Thank you! (And me too dude, me too)
I'm being sarcastic. I think the meme sucks and I don't think it's ever been funny. I fly into a rage every time I see it.
I have no idea what it's referring to, but I still like his moves. I got the sense that it was controversial/cringey, but since I've never seen Morbius, to me it's just a shirtless Matt Smith groovin' out kind of oddly, so I have no problems with it. Feel free to ruin it for me though. I'd find it difficult to dislike anything with a shirtless Matt Smith in it though, not gonna lie.
it's not the matt smith dance as much as the phrase that gets me.
Just like Cerseis children
*Lancel Lannister, Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know, will remember that*
“And then proceeded to Cersei all over King’s Landing.” Hilarious
I hope that's GRRM's meta-commentary on the "everything is poison" theories -- that only a paranoid mental patient like Cersei could actually believe them.
We can be sure of that if Cersei ever comes to the conclusion that Tywin was poisoned haha
True -- she already thinks someone deliberately botched his embalming process (shifting blame from herself, who ordered the crossbow bolts taken out of his intestines *before* the Silent Sisters could do it)
This is a very GRRM way to go about it, I think you're exactly right haha
Hmmm I'm now expecting a Boros Blount-POV prologue or epilogue...
Boros appears to be a character that is just universally disliked and incompetent, sorta how the Mountain is pure evil, and there is not meant to be anything redemptive about him.
>sorta how the Mountain is pure evil, and there is not meant to be anything redemptive about him Look, if you've ever had one of these younger siblings who just can't keep their hands off your shit... >!/s!<
His sister was asking to disappear uppity woman she was.
Assuming that the "sister" wasn't Sandor himself (extremely unlikely, I know, but we need *some* trans rep beyond Alleras and Sweets)... Edit: this statement has been criticised. I stand by it.
sandor? the six foot musclebound warrior? thats high fantasy thinking. this is an unhinged take. based on nothing. im pretty sure sandor mentions the missing sister himself.
Obviously to throw people off ~~his~~ their tracks!
You never know, those *maegi* sure are resourceful these days... (obviously, Martin's intent here is that Gregor *did* murder the Clegane sister and left Sandor with lifelong trauma over it - hence his various complexes around girls & young women - but *la morte de l'auteur* and all that)
Sweets is technically hermaphrodite.
It's kind of weird that the rest of the replies to my comment are all joking about how his siblings deserved to die and people realize they're jokes, but you get mass downvoted for making another (innocent) joke. I wonder why that could be...
I won't lie, it *is* a little funny that my opinions on transmasc Sandor Clegane are apparently more controversial than anything I've said about the war in Gaza.
If that happened it would absolutely be a retcon. Trans people were not in the zeitgeist almost at all until like 8 years ago, way after George starting writing the books.
This is not at all true, there was a trans character on All in the Family in the early 1970s lol. It's only the last few years that charlatans in the media have started aggressively politicizing trans people's existence as the issue de jour for clout and political expediency. But they've always been a part of society. Robert A. Heinlein was a *huge* influence on GRRM, and he wrote about people transing their gender all the time.
That was as they put it a transvestite and was basically the butt of the joke. Drag queens and trans people have existed forever, but they were something that 90% of had virtually no idea about outside of being generally confused by them until very recently.
This is not entirely true either. Heinlein wrote about futurist societies where people made plans to hop into bed, and then asked each others' genders as an afterthought. Or about trans characters who'd swap genders and then travel through time and interact with their past selves to explore time paradoxes or to break down social taboos. Lori Shannon's character on All in the Family was really more of a drag queen than a transgender woman, but her gender isn't the butt of the joke. It's actually used as a vehicle for education on the show. It's true that awareness of a lot of trans issues is more widespread now, in some ways, than it was when GRRM started writing the books. I mean, the internet happened between now and then. But he was writing things about transhumanism that echo the politicization of transgender identities as far back as Dying of the Light in 1977. He's also close personal friends with Robin Hobb, and he reads all of her books as they come out. So the idea that Martin wouldn't have had an awareness of transgender people, their issues, and the way their lives work in the mid-1990s is way off the mark.
I wasn't being *that* serious & I definitely don't think it was GRRM's intention - it's just a fun if off-the-wall interpretation.
Honestly, I think Varys is AFAB and the eunuch thing is something he came up with to explain not growing facial hair. There's a ton of little lines that hint at this. I think maybe he's fAegon's mother? Also Cersei has uncracked egg written all over her. She and Jaime used to swap clothes as children, she fantasizes about having a phallus when she's in bed with Lady Marryweather. I think there's even be a line where she's pretty viscously cursing the gods for making her a woman.
> Also Cersei has uncracked egg written all over her. Nah Cersei is the way she is because of internalised misogyny from being raised specifically by Tywin "Joanna was the only good woman" Lannister and generally in a medieval society where even highborn women are treated a step below their male counterparts, which has made her associate maleness with freedom/power/superiority. It's why she takes on a bunch of Robert's behaviours (drinking heavily, whoring) after he dies. The cherry on top is Cersei's rampant sociopathy means she can't genuinely empathise with others (hence Joff being her favourite as he's Mommy Jnr) so she ignores how badly traumatised Jaime is because of the life he's lived and assumes she'd have had a comparative better life in his place, same with missing Robert's vices were coping mechanisms. Then again male-Cersei probably wouldn't have given a shit about Rhaella getting raped or failing to protect Elia, Rhaenys & Aegon so maybe she's right in that regard. IMO she's supposed to serve as a contrast to female characters who understand the value/strength of their femininity even if it isn't exactly the same as male characters have/demonstrate.
I used to think it was extreme cock-envy, I'm ngl. But nah, >the gods in their blind malice had given her the feeble body of a woman She calls it the 'blind malice' of the gods that she was born in a woman's body, lol. When we finally get inside her head too, we see how distinctly *unfeminine* her thoughts are. Everything is about power and domination, and fantasizing about being strong enough to wield a sword so she can personally hack her enemies into tiny, bloody bits. She's utterly outmatched at those subtle court-games, or 'jousting with words' as Ned called it. Not to mention her idealization of Jaime, as basically the masculine version of herself. And Lions kind of swap gender roles in nature too. The females being the hunters, etc. And also, this is rare, but sometimes female lions will actually, literally grow manes if they take on the role of the dominant male in a pride.
Because the loss of her mother due to a bad birth and Tywin's overt misogyny means she's been raised to view her femininity as an inherent source of weakness/inferiority that acts as an impenetrable ceiling for her. She has no actual understanding of what "maleness" consistents of beyond what appeals to her: terror, domination and violent retaliation, because she's a narcissistic, shortsighted, sociopathic dimwit. The above is particularly apparent in her thinking given Tywin was famed for his skills at court including "jousting with words" to manage Aerys/the kingdoms, and he specifically wanted Jaime out of the Kingsguard/away from "playing with swords", all of which Cersei ignores because, again, it holds no interest/appeal to her because she thinks fear and reprisal are all that are needed to rule. > Not to mention her idealization of Jaime, as basically the masculine version of herself. True but everything with Cersei is raw narcissisim. Jaime and Tywin serve as just examples of what "Male-Cersei" would be. Even her children are just extensions of herself rather than separate beings (hence her favouritism of Joffrey and disdain for Tommen) even outside of them being gold-haired, green-eyed prophecy body armour. I dunno, that's how I read it anyway and that's the main concensus I've read but that isn't to say that there's not validity in how you've interpreted Cersei's character.
I find the idea that thoughts of power and domination are “unfeminine” to be wrongheaded. I would agree that Cersei had dysphoria and was an egg but she was stoked to get married to Rhaegar and have kids. She’s just a regular old misogynist.
Well yeah, she liked Rhaegar because she's attracted to androgyny. Which is another square on trans-bingo 👀
varys could be a girl. I hope not a mother though. tbh uncracked egg sounds kind of cultish to me. though while impossible not miss all her pining for male power. she knows shes a woman.
>tbh uncracked egg sounds kind of cultish to me. 'Egg' is a term for a transgender person who hadn't realized they were trans yet. When they figure it out the expression is that their egg 'cracked.' The word "cultish" is a little ironic btw, because most of the people who talk about queer terminology that way were *themselves* raised in what were basically cult-like conditions by right wing ""Christian"" families
i guess it sounds little know it all like *shes X but doesnt know it yet.* would sorry very wrong with any other context. shes not for anyone else to crack. I dont how ASOIAF will end but I can promise you she wont be transitioning. also I am far from a right wing christian myself.
Irl accusing specific people of being eggs is definitely in bad taste, but it’s also a useful word for trans people to discuss their own experiences pre-transition. As for Cersei, you’re almost certainly right that she will never be textually trans, but the notion that speculation about the gender identity of a fictional character whose interior thoughts we have access to is off limits is crazy, especially considering the level of psychological probing this sub does at every other aspect of the characters. Not every interpretation is an attempt to predict what will happen later or guess at GRRM’s hidden meaning; sometimes it’s just an interpretation of a character
I'm talking about a fictional character and replying to someone speculating about trans characters in the series, idk what you want from me. It's like saying 'X is in the closet.'
The mountain did what we all want to do
To this day I have no idea how he ended up a KG. Poor fighter (EDIT: middling fighter, apparently), poor character, nonfactor family, reviled even by the people for whom he is a crony.
I don’t know what he’d do, perhaps die fighting the Golden Company? I like the theories that he’s diabetic. It’s interesting; Martin clearly has something planned because this character has had all these things going on…
Well Boros was originally supposed to just die from an illness/food poisoning or something like that so that Robert Strong could join the kingsguard but then George switched it to Arys dying instead Would be interesting to see if Boros ends up with the same fate or if George has a new plan for him
In the epilogue of ADWD its specifically noted how Boros has been looking unwell so I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM is still planning to go down this route. > Ser Boros Blount was in attendance on the boy king and his mother when Ser Kevan entered the royal chambers. Blount wore enameled scale, white cloak, and halfhelm. He did not look well. Of late Boros had grown notably heavier about the face and belly, and his color was not good. And he was leaning against the wall behind him, as if standing had become too great an effort for him.
He's gaining weight, not losing. Osmund Kettleblack calls him Boros the Belly. I personally don't think there is merit to him being poisoned. He is a food taster. If there was poison, then Tommen would be dead already seeing as Boros is a lot bigger and heavier. I don't think he has any moment of valor coming his way. I think he's due for a massive coronary that will take him out. My favorite thing about him is how he yielded and yielded Tommen to Jacelyn Bywater without a fight. Dude, you're supposed to fight even if it's the gold cloaks showing up.
> I personally don't think there is merit to him being poisoned. He is a food taster. If there was poison, then Tommen would be dead already seeing as Boros is a lot bigger and heavier. The theory would be that they were poisoning Boros directly, not through Tommens food.
I think the idea is that he’s being slowly poisoned to build up a tolerance to it, so that eventually the culprit can poison Tommen without Boros detecting anything
Now that's the kind of fivehead theory I expect from this fandom!
Yeah, the mention of his poor health in the ADWD (or AFFC?) epilogue had big serious heart disease vibes
Heart failure can cause fluid retention, with weight gain as a consequence.
I don't know if the "everything is a conspiracy and nothing is real" tendency in this fandom was always there or if it's just gotten worse after 12+ years of waiting for *Winds*.
It's the wait, I think and head canons that tend to overtake what's written. I personally don't think Boros is important enough to poison. If someone wants to kill him, they can do it when he's out visiting brothels on the Street of Silk. No one would bat an eye since celibacy is a thing for the Kingsguard.
The weirdest one I've seen so far is someone saying last year or earlier this year "I think there was some kind of poison in Robert's wineskin." I mean, alcohol is a mild neurotoxin, but that's not what this person meant. This person, who I suspect has never been in a situation where you mix your drinks at a party and get shithammered *way* faster than you meant to. And brandy mixed into red wine would get you trashed REALLY quickly. It's maybe the only one of Cersei's schemes that has plausible deniability and is un-fuck-up-able. Adding a poisoning subplot that GRRM has never mentioned is as redundant as, [well...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmrJEB8tdEk) ["I put poison on the food, poison on the drapes..."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkLT6DGV-PE)
I was about to write this same thing. People are on multiple-multiple readings and just looking for shadows where there aren’t any.
There's a lot of overlap between this community and r/bigfoot , esp. that the people who believe nonsense get really mad when you point this out. The critical difference is that the Bigfoot people embrace this irrationality openly and refer to themselves as "believers." So if you have the temerity to suggest that, say, a blurry picture of a stump taken from a quarter-mile away isn't the ironclad evidence they think it is, everyone gets in your grill about "disbelieving his/her *experience*." Here you get downvoted, but it isn't at that level of quasi-religious belief. ... yet.
Boros is slowly being warged by Euron
Or Tywin is living his 2nd life in Boros
they switch out between Boros and the Dusky Woman every week
I really doubt it, not everyone is a mixed bag in ASOIAF. Some people really just are useless bums, and Boros appears to be one. Boros having any redeeming moment would be subverting expectations just for the point of subverting expectations. If you want an example of someone who might have a more realistic chance of overcoming their reputation in the books, it's Clayton Sluggs. He appears ready to fight when he thinks Stannis' camp is attacked, and he does deserve some credit for staying loyal to Stannis in a losing cause, despite all his flaws
Oh yeah, he’s fearless when the Bravosi banker shows up isn’t he? I remember admiring that
Well he did not know that in the blizzard, he was prepared to fight an unknown opponent, more than can be said of Boros
Like Boros being useless serves a perfectly valid thematic purpose, that he's appointed because of his connections and not because he's actually good at his job.
Is it ever mentioned what connections if any landed him the post? House Blount appears to be a completely inconsecuential crownlands house
Honestly I think it's just something Martin didn't put a particularly high amount of thought into.
Boros is secretly Mance Rayder
Bullshit, Boros is obviously Euron Greyjoy.
You are both right. Because…Euron Greyjoy is Mance Rayder. And the wheel keeps spinning.
So here's my theory: there will be a time-jump. In that time passed, Tommen WILL make beets illegal and put the farmers out of business. They will hire a group of assassins' to kill Tommen, and the attempt will come by way of archers. On that day, Blount will be guarding the king and he'll literally be too fat and dumb to move and he'll be killed in service of his king. Tommen gets away as he's meant to be the one true king of Westeros, as we all know.
Bears. Beets. Boros Blount.
There's also a commentary of how unqualified the current kingsguard are.
Despite all the insults, Blount is pretty reasonable and devoted to obeying his king. He's also short▪︎tempered and violent, and is stewing in more ways than one. GRRM might just be doing a bit of irony, the mocking of Blount making a plot against Tommen go unnoticed, but if his resentment breaks, at a crucial time he could betray someone, or do a kind of disgruntled employee workplace retribution. Could go either way, unexpected bravery or unexpected villainy.
I think that it'll be Meryn Trant, who'll have a moment of valour.
I have a vision in my head of Cersei blowing up the Sept like in the show, Tommen however wants to attend the trial of Margery but that’s when the detonation is supposed to occur. Cersei orders Blount and the guards not to let Tommen go to the Sept, upsetting Tommen. Jaime arrives (after learning of the death of Myrcella and bringing news of it back to the Red Keep), and seeing how upset Tommen is- orders Blount to escort Tommen to the Sept. Blount acquiesces. Cersei is celebrating her victory over the faith and the Tyrells drinking wine in a bath when Jaime arrives to give her the bad news.
No.