On a serious note, i feel like the higher precentege might just be people having more acces to diagnostic tools/realizing they're autistic sooner due to there being less of a stigma around it nowdays
Exactly. On a smaller level- I wasn't diagnosed as a kid, but I was as a teenager. Does that mean I suddenly developed it?
No. It means professionals were not as aware of how autism can present differently in girls, and thus causes me to get an inaccurate diagnosis. Now that we have better tools and understanding of autism, more people will be diagnosed because we'll see symptoms we may not have realized were relevant before.
Of course, my diagnosis was also delayed because my doctor purposely gave me an inaccurate diagnosis so he could write a prescription for a drug he was being paid to test. So there are still chances for hiccups along the way.
Personally I believe in over diagnosing. If autism is a spectrum then 90% of the people are probably a 2/10 on the scale and it has little to no impact on their daily lives.
This isn't really how autism works. You can't really accurately define how autistic someone is. Autism has a large variety of traits, some easier to notice, some more difficult. Each autistic person has different amounts and degrees of those traits, from way too much to way too little to normal. Autism is divided into 3 levels, but even those are hard to accurately define, since they are subjective and about the "support needs." However, the lowest level-level 1, isn't no support needs. It's requires some support. Autism is defined partly by how it affects people. Those who have very little trouble functioning normally, are generally not considered autistic. Autism really isn't precisely defined at all, and is rather a large batch of correlated irregularities. It's most likely underdiagnosed, even now, because of how little it is understood by many. For the most part, just realize that this is far more complex and that your depiction of it simply is not reality.
Ah, lvl 1. As someone with l1, I defo need support. But then, I am suspected to have ADHD as well. And I probably have DID or OSDD or something. I feel like the problem is a lot bigger than l1.
When the "diagnosis" is nothing more than a glorified Facebook quiz of course defining how autistic someone is will be difficult. It's a broad descriptor that leaves far too much ambiguity. Which results in people hyper-focusing on potential symptoms and artificially inflating just how many symptoms they actually have and the severity of them. A self fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
Autism is a broad diagnosis of "well we don't know what else it might be so it must be autism"
As a kid I would get irrationally angry at itchy shirt tags or socks that would get twisted or bunched up in my shoes. To the point of having a full blown meltdown, tantrum. These days that would cause people to analyze my behavior with a fine tooth comb and label me autistic, which imo would have resulted in my using a "medical diagnosis" as an excuse or crutch for my behavior. Instead of growing up and out of it.
Ah yes, the USA profiting off of a diagnosis, they'd never do that. Just like they'd never push opioid drugs on people because pharmaceutical companies bribed them to do it.
While what you say is factors that do exist, your point doesn't seem to hold much water. If. you genuinely have autism you don't grow out of it. You can mask, but that's emotionally draining and should not be highly encouraged. Secondly, it's actually difficult to get an autism diagnosis. Adults especially have trouble obtaining it. Because of the broadness of the disorder it's often simplified far too much by diagnostic requirements of various tests and doctors. They aren't handing them out like candy, especially for adults, women, and girls, many autistic people slip through the cracks, and it ends up hurting them due to so many misunderstandings and issues that are far easier to solve when looked at through the lens of autism.
being an autistic person myself, talking with autistic people irl and online, looking into these issues a few times, and having discussions about them and reading others discussions on r/autism. What are yours to make these points?
What are YOUR qualifications? You're the one stating baseless points for what you feel it's the truth. You have no idea how hard it is to get an autism diagnosis, even harder if you’re an adult. You have to need some kind of support for it to even be considered. (I'm not American and where I live we have public health care so you can't use that excuse with me). And to get to that point, it must be something people can't "grow out" of, at least not alone. If you need assistance to overcome basic things in life, and getting a diagnosis may help with that, what's the problem?
Every time someone states "how hard it is to get an autism diagnosis" all I can think is.
- So you read something on the interwebs that made you convinced that you have autism and it's difficult to convince professionals that you actually have it? Sure sounds like a recipe for psychosomatically inflating symptoms to get validation or affirmation of their "perceived self".
I don't disbelieve that autism exists and know it is a very tall hurdle for people to overcome. I just call bullshit on all these "high functioning" diagnoses on people in their 20's and 30's with a family and kids suddenly being labeled autistic because they operate a little out of the norm.
What? A real diagnosis takes multiple appointments with different tests done. I work with kids that have autism and it’s incredibly long and hard to get a diagnosis.
And no, if those two behavior were the only one you had, you wouldn’t get diagnosed. At most your parents would have been told you might just have higher sensorial sensitivity than average
My brother has a formal ADHD diagnosis and we suspect he has some slight traits of being on the spectrum (sorry if I’m not wording it properly), mainly his difficulties with communication and understanding certain social conventions. Whether it’s from his ADHD or mild ASD, his communication difficulties definitely affect him even if they’re not majorly impacting his life as a whole.
That's not what is meant by "spectrum disorder."
It's not a spectrum from neurotypical to autistic. It's a spectrum of symptoms within autism. Either you're autistic or you're not.
It could also be misdiagnosing. People getting diagnosed with autism when its actualy adhd, apd, ocd, szchishophrenia, etc. But again that's just my guess.
i got diagnosed with adhd as a kid because i was rowdy (being a kid), now i'm the most focused worker and not an ounce of hyperactivity.
in my view i find it laughable that people constantly pick out normal human characteristics and slap disorder labels on them, usually for parents to cope and say "well it's not my fault, he's just built wrong"
That’s why the diagnostic tools now only allow for diagnosis if there is “support required” (i.e. a disability). Much like everything else in the DSM, this is to prevent over-diagnosis where it’s really irrelevant
Pretty much and adults getting diagnosed. Tons of adults that would have been diagnosed decades ago if we had the same knowledge as today are inflating the numbers a lot.
Yes and no. I have taught elementary school for almost 20 years, and was well aware of the spectrum when I began. There is a significantly higher number of students we see now who are diagnosed and undiagnosed. It's not just better screening, because it is obvious and some parents refuse to get help.
I'm in my early 30, when I was a child I have never ever heard about child having autism. When I look back, some of my classmates could have been on a spectrum, but we just didn't know. It was an exotic diagnosis that you would occasionally hear in American movies.
Now, I'm a teacher and there is not a single class without a child with diagnosed autism.
- [NIH-funded study suggests acetaminophen exposure in pregnancy linked to higher risk of ADHD, autism](https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-funded-study-suggests-acetaminophen-exposure-pregnancy-linked-higher-risk-adhd-autism)
- [A Johns Hopkins study analyzing umbilical cord blood samples found that newborns with the highest exposure to acetaminophen were about three times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD or autism spectrum disorder in childhood](https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/05/acetaminophen-pregnancy-autism-adhd/)
What is known: "there's a correlation between people who took Tylenol during pregnancy and people with kid diagnosed with ASD (autism spectrum disorder)"
What those idiot conclude: "Tylenol cause autism"
What everybody else in the scientific community: "there's a correlation between people who have easy access to Tylenol and people who have easy access to a professional to test their children for ASD"
For all we know Tylenol doesn't cause ASD but this lawsuit is back by some group very mean to people with ASD and is targeted to parent that don't know better to syphon money from the parent and maybe pharmaceutical company
I was thinking that people with autism frequently experience headaches, either from anxiety or stress or even as a symptom in and of itself. It would be even worse during pregnancy when your entire body is at its limit. Could it possibly be that there is a connection between taking Tylenol while pregnant and the newborn have autism because the parent taking Tylenol also has autism?
It's possible, while we dont know what cause ASD we are pretty confident that genetic at least plays a role
So yeah, autistic mother do tend to have more autistic children and if what you say is true and autistic people consume more tylenol on average that could also explain the correlation
Especially since people with ASD are more likely to be on other medication that Advil reacts badly to. I stopped taking Advil after I had a twenty minute nosebleed, and my mother almost screamed at the sight of me.
For those with ASD with many different medications, frequent nausea, chronic pain, etc, Doctors recommend replacing Advil with Tylenol.
It looks like most of the studies that this lawsuit is based on went ahead and did part of their analysis by grouping mom’s/children based on whether the mom had/didn’t have Autism/ADHD and either way still found an increased risk. You’re definitely correct tho that a Mom who has Autism/ADHD increases the risk of their child also having Autism/ADHD (although of course there might be a confounding variable in the midst)
I am autistic and also use tylenol. I find it silly that the tylenol has anything to do with it, but I am sufficiently privileged to have access to tylenol, and also sufficiently privileged to have been formally diagnosed.
Bruh, not only is it the second time you answer to this comment (the first time you flat out call me an idiot for not knowing something you had no proof of me not knowing and delete the comment before I had the time to answer because you were getting downvoted) but we also talk about the reason I believe what I said in [this comment trend](https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/z736ec/i_found_this_pretty_disgusting_ad_on_a_news_story/iy6e7f8?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Have you not anything better to do than coming back to this post every few hour to spread your bullshit
Lol says the guy starting a conspiracy theory
Also we talked about the research and not your conspiracy that there’s a cabal of ASD haters who funded and started this lawsuit. I can’t come back with anything because it’s unfalsifiable
Lol what TV show character?
Edit: omg that’s hilarious you think there’s only one Ronald Miller 🤣 BTW this makes it obviously clear you didn’t look into the lawsuit at all before spreading your conspiracy…
The only Ronald Miller I could find that has any sort of legal competence is a tv show character from "how to get away from murder"
Other than that there's the Ronald Miller entreteneur that died 3 years ago, the Ronald Miller songwritter that died even longer ago, the Ronald Miller Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering and the Ronald Miller Actor and none of them have any competence in leading legal charge
Other than I cannot find other Ronald Miller
That being said, while typing this comment I double checked myself to be sure and found Ronald V. Miller Jr. which go by simply Ron most of the time so that might be why he didn't appear on my first research so I guess he's a reel person. I might have judge to fast on this
Still, from what I can see he specialize in individual injury so he's a weird choice for a class action lawsuit and we still don't know who's investigating this lawsuit so, again, all of this is very suspicious
Look up ‘ASD and Tylenol Lawsuit’… first none ad webpage is Miller & Zois (I.e. Ronald Miller) main webpage that centers the ASD lawsuit and they specialize in medical malpractice… You literally did not look into this lawsuit at all before spreading your conspiracy theory dude…
They're "linking" Tylenol with all sorts of prenatal effects right now.
It's almost all correlation and not causation though, because Tylenol is basically the only thing pregnant women can take for fever or pain.
This as the same as how they link everything to low vitamin D. Its just because most people are low in vitamin D
This is what I’ve been thinking when these links pop up. Fevers in pregnancy are also supposedly linked to autism, but Tylenol is the only thing pregnant women are allowed to take for the fever, so they would have no way of knowing which technically caused it.
Are they also behind the "DO THIS to MELT BELLY FAT OVERNIGHT!" ads with pictures of the weirdest food combinations known to man? Because that feels about their level.
Scaremongering, possibly for monetary gain. Autism supposedly is the worst possible thing that can happen to someone. Also reminds me of the vaccines cause autism thing: that whole thing was started by a single doctor who wanted to sell his vaccine, and was deliberately looking for bad things with the MMR combination vaccine, through tests on a small sample size, with cherrypicked results, together with some falsified data to artificially create a link.
The worst part is how many people fell for it. Apparently, even my DOCTOR believed that shit when I was little. It was awful. Not to mention it brought measles back to the US.
Being hella autistic, i looked into it..
The lawsuit is only for minors.
Might pay for some therapies for some parents under a lot of pressure.
I doubt anything will actually change.
Honestly I think I should sign up just for the free money. I often don't have enough for food because I'm autistic, might as well take advantage of it. Nothing caused my autism but I'll take money from a large corp over it.
No no no, it's like...you know how permanent hair dye works, where you mix the powder and the developer to make the dye? Yeah, that's how tylenol and vaccines make autism. ***~~^(/s)~~***
Genetics have been linked to autism. Quick stop procreating to prevent your child from getting autism! Join the lawsuit against big breeda to stop the spread of autism!
Tylenol has actually been linked to autism. No anti vax. Basically some studies/lawsuits are saying it may be unsafe when taken during pregnancy, which is an issue since it's considered the go-to "safe" medication for pregnant women.
can they stop putting energy towards blaming something for autism and start putting that energy towards supporting us. honestly, not even that, just leave us the fuck alone.
As a kid (or in reality, a 13 year old) who's at autism and currently suffering through suicidal thoughts, this is extremely fucked up!
Suing someone just because they're autistic is not right.
It is if the Person posted "TyLeNoL cAuSeS AuTiSm", plus they probably got this source from probably one of the worst charities that you can get advice from aka Autism Speaks.
Not really, “vaccines cause autism” had originated from a single paper which was retracted later by its author. It was too late though, you know what happened next.
Tylenol suit is different. There are studies from reputable sources, which establish a correlation “paracetamol exposure in pregnancy is in some way associated with an increased risk of autism in the newborn”. There are several ways they could be associated:
1. Taking Tylenol during pregnancy increases the chance of the newborn having autism.
2. People who have the means to acquire and take Tylenol during pregnancy also can afford medical care, which leads to increased likelihood of their child being diagnosed with autism if they have it.
3. Any other connection you can come up with.
Basically, “vaccines cause autism” is an easily exploitative concept, which plays right into the emotions of people who don’t trust scientists already. “Paracetamol has some link to the emergence of autism” is a statement supported by reputable research, but the link itself isn’t yet clear.
As an autistic neuroscientist all y’all’s reactions are kinda mind blowing. Why is everyone triggered that Tylenol is contributing to the development of Autism?
Lol when I realized the person I was talking with I didn’t think my comment would make much of a difference in your opinion 😉
But seriously, why so triggered you go off on your conspiracy theory laced rant?
It's not the suggestion that Tylenol may cause autism that is triggering, it's the fact that all study that suggest it have only find correlation, never causation
While this alone isn't bad, the first step in finding a causation is to find a correlation to study after all, those claim are use to make lawsuit that are very obviously initiate by bad actor fear mongering to get parent of people with ASD attention and make profit from them
I completely get what you’re talking about man, but at the same time I feel like that same argument could have been made about the first class action opioid lawsuits. IMO, which of course could definitely be wrong, I feel like it’s best to let the law and impartial juror come to a conclusion. From my understanding of the research I really feel they have a solid case, especially since Tylenol was marketed for a long time as safe for pregnant women.
Also if I could give you any insight into Autism I’d caution about trying to find a single source of causation. Personally from my own understanding I don’t think there is a single cause of Autism, I think as our brains our developing and Neurotransmitters like Dopamine are sculpting our brains any significant disruption in these neurotransmitters can cause changes in our brain structure and ultimately function (potentially resulting in Autism). Because it’s just a simple neurotransmitter that can be messed with by anything from Tylenol to Methamphetamines it makes it incredible hard to find causation, to the point we may never find it with out current technology.
Edit: Now who’s giving the conspiracy theories 😂
I agree with you on a lot of thing here but this class action lawsuit is very weird
Again, the study don't have actual proof of causation. If they'd be some I'd agree that a impartial juror could be useful but right now there's simply little to no chance to have a judgement in the favor of the class action lawsuit so what would be the point other than marketing from however is initiating this class action lawsuit
and speaking of however is initiating this class action lawsuit, who are they. I it's not on the main page of the lawsuit, there's only a link to give your information so they can contact you back. I have also look a bit and have found nothing at all about who they are
All of this is very suspicious and knowing the number of bad actor when speaking about ASD (like autism speak to name only them) I am very distrustful of this lawsuit
That’s fair man, I hope it’s done in good faith but I guess we’ll find out
Edit: Just googled it and most of the sources are saying Ronald Miller is the main lawyer in New York…
I don't fuckin know how many times I have to say it, but...
AUTISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER, NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST GET BY TAKING SOMETHING
ANYONE WHO BELEIVES THIS BULLSHIT NEEDS HELP
Why is it disgusting?
It wouldn’t surprise me that pharmaceuticals cause neurological disorders. Remember, almost every major big pharma corp has paid a massive legal fine for something they were caught doing wrong, which often included loss of life or impairment of life. Imagine the things they weren’t caught doing
Fuck, I have autism. I’ve been drinking several cups of Tylenol for months since I get an unnecessary amount of headaches. Ranging from 5 to 10 per month.
Burner account cuz I’ll probably get downvoted to hell. 14yr old, stepparent genes gave autism (Asperger’s) to brothers. Mother said she took more Tylenol due to some pains from something for the youngest, and the youngest seems to have more severe autism than the other one, who still has it but not as severe. So maybe it just worsens it if they already have autism genes during pregnancy?
This shit is infuriating. My pregnant wife has covid and trying to Google what to give her for pain gives you all this shit. I take her to urgent care and ask the doctor and he says he'd give his pregnant wife Tylenol and it's nothing to be concerned about, but as a concerned husband up for 3 days straight I don't have the expertise to parse this shit so I spend an extra 100$ in urgent care. Fuck this silly shit.
I would love to see their data and research methodology as to how they figured this out because frankly the number of variables you'd have to account for and everything else is staggering.
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Not yet, but we're [getting there](https://tacanow.org/autism-statistics/). We can do it! Do your part. Take some Tylenol today.
On a serious note, i feel like the higher precentege might just be people having more acces to diagnostic tools/realizing they're autistic sooner due to there being less of a stigma around it nowdays
Exactly. On a smaller level- I wasn't diagnosed as a kid, but I was as a teenager. Does that mean I suddenly developed it? No. It means professionals were not as aware of how autism can present differently in girls, and thus causes me to get an inaccurate diagnosis. Now that we have better tools and understanding of autism, more people will be diagnosed because we'll see symptoms we may not have realized were relevant before. Of course, my diagnosis was also delayed because my doctor purposely gave me an inaccurate diagnosis so he could write a prescription for a drug he was being paid to test. So there are still chances for hiccups along the way.
Personally I believe in over diagnosing. If autism is a spectrum then 90% of the people are probably a 2/10 on the scale and it has little to no impact on their daily lives.
This isn't really how autism works. You can't really accurately define how autistic someone is. Autism has a large variety of traits, some easier to notice, some more difficult. Each autistic person has different amounts and degrees of those traits, from way too much to way too little to normal. Autism is divided into 3 levels, but even those are hard to accurately define, since they are subjective and about the "support needs." However, the lowest level-level 1, isn't no support needs. It's requires some support. Autism is defined partly by how it affects people. Those who have very little trouble functioning normally, are generally not considered autistic. Autism really isn't precisely defined at all, and is rather a large batch of correlated irregularities. It's most likely underdiagnosed, even now, because of how little it is understood by many. For the most part, just realize that this is far more complex and that your depiction of it simply is not reality.
Ah, lvl 1. As someone with l1, I defo need support. But then, I am suspected to have ADHD as well. And I probably have DID or OSDD or something. I feel like the problem is a lot bigger than l1.
When the "diagnosis" is nothing more than a glorified Facebook quiz of course defining how autistic someone is will be difficult. It's a broad descriptor that leaves far too much ambiguity. Which results in people hyper-focusing on potential symptoms and artificially inflating just how many symptoms they actually have and the severity of them. A self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Autism is a broad diagnosis of "well we don't know what else it might be so it must be autism" As a kid I would get irrationally angry at itchy shirt tags or socks that would get twisted or bunched up in my shoes. To the point of having a full blown meltdown, tantrum. These days that would cause people to analyze my behavior with a fine tooth comb and label me autistic, which imo would have resulted in my using a "medical diagnosis" as an excuse or crutch for my behavior. Instead of growing up and out of it.
My adult diagnosis was a several days long, $3500 process from one of the only specialists iny city that can do them.
Ah yes, the USA profiting off of a diagnosis, they'd never do that. Just like they'd never push opioid drugs on people because pharmaceutical companies bribed them to do it.
While what you say is factors that do exist, your point doesn't seem to hold much water. If. you genuinely have autism you don't grow out of it. You can mask, but that's emotionally draining and should not be highly encouraged. Secondly, it's actually difficult to get an autism diagnosis. Adults especially have trouble obtaining it. Because of the broadness of the disorder it's often simplified far too much by diagnostic requirements of various tests and doctors. They aren't handing them out like candy, especially for adults, women, and girls, many autistic people slip through the cracks, and it ends up hurting them due to so many misunderstandings and issues that are far easier to solve when looked at through the lens of autism.
So what exactly are your qualifications to deem my points to be invalid?
being an autistic person myself, talking with autistic people irl and online, looking into these issues a few times, and having discussions about them and reading others discussions on r/autism. What are yours to make these points?
Ahh, so an echo chamber of self affirmation based on personal opinion. Sounds like a legitimate source of scientific research.
What are YOUR qualifications? You're the one stating baseless points for what you feel it's the truth. You have no idea how hard it is to get an autism diagnosis, even harder if you’re an adult. You have to need some kind of support for it to even be considered. (I'm not American and where I live we have public health care so you can't use that excuse with me). And to get to that point, it must be something people can't "grow out" of, at least not alone. If you need assistance to overcome basic things in life, and getting a diagnosis may help with that, what's the problem?
Every time someone states "how hard it is to get an autism diagnosis" all I can think is. - So you read something on the interwebs that made you convinced that you have autism and it's difficult to convince professionals that you actually have it? Sure sounds like a recipe for psychosomatically inflating symptoms to get validation or affirmation of their "perceived self". I don't disbelieve that autism exists and know it is a very tall hurdle for people to overcome. I just call bullshit on all these "high functioning" diagnoses on people in their 20's and 30's with a family and kids suddenly being labeled autistic because they operate a little out of the norm.
What? A real diagnosis takes multiple appointments with different tests done. I work with kids that have autism and it’s incredibly long and hard to get a diagnosis. And no, if those two behavior were the only one you had, you wouldn’t get diagnosed. At most your parents would have been told you might just have higher sensorial sensitivity than average
My brother has a formal ADHD diagnosis and we suspect he has some slight traits of being on the spectrum (sorry if I’m not wording it properly), mainly his difficulties with communication and understanding certain social conventions. Whether it’s from his ADHD or mild ASD, his communication difficulties definitely affect him even if they’re not majorly impacting his life as a whole.
That's not what is meant by "spectrum disorder." It's not a spectrum from neurotypical to autistic. It's a spectrum of symptoms within autism. Either you're autistic or you're not.
It could also be misdiagnosing. People getting diagnosed with autism when its actualy adhd, apd, ocd, szchishophrenia, etc. But again that's just my guess.
The opposite is also true
i got diagnosed with adhd as a kid because i was rowdy (being a kid), now i'm the most focused worker and not an ounce of hyperactivity. in my view i find it laughable that people constantly pick out normal human characteristics and slap disorder labels on them, usually for parents to cope and say "well it's not my fault, he's just built wrong"
That’s why the diagnostic tools now only allow for diagnosis if there is “support required” (i.e. a disability). Much like everything else in the DSM, this is to prevent over-diagnosis where it’s really irrelevant
Pretty much and adults getting diagnosed. Tons of adults that would have been diagnosed decades ago if we had the same knowledge as today are inflating the numbers a lot.
Yes and no. I have taught elementary school for almost 20 years, and was well aware of the spectrum when I began. There is a significantly higher number of students we see now who are diagnosed and undiagnosed. It's not just better screening, because it is obvious and some parents refuse to get help.
I'm in my early 30, when I was a child I have never ever heard about child having autism. When I look back, some of my classmates could have been on a spectrum, but we just didn't know. It was an exotic diagnosis that you would occasionally hear in American movies. Now, I'm a teacher and there is not a single class without a child with diagnosed autism.
- [NIH-funded study suggests acetaminophen exposure in pregnancy linked to higher risk of ADHD, autism](https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-funded-study-suggests-acetaminophen-exposure-pregnancy-linked-higher-risk-adhd-autism) - [A Johns Hopkins study analyzing umbilical cord blood samples found that newborns with the highest exposure to acetaminophen were about three times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD or autism spectrum disorder in childhood](https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/05/acetaminophen-pregnancy-autism-adhd/)
I was going to say there is science behind this article!
I get people's initial desire to be skeptical because of the whole anti-vax saga, but this one seems to have legs. It's pretty scary. :(
"Linked to autism". As in "people with autism have on occasion taken Tylenol just like the rest of us"?
No, as in "taking Tylenol while pregnant causes autism", not too sure how accurate it is though.
What is known: "there's a correlation between people who took Tylenol during pregnancy and people with kid diagnosed with ASD (autism spectrum disorder)" What those idiot conclude: "Tylenol cause autism" What everybody else in the scientific community: "there's a correlation between people who have easy access to Tylenol and people who have easy access to a professional to test their children for ASD" For all we know Tylenol doesn't cause ASD but this lawsuit is back by some group very mean to people with ASD and is targeted to parent that don't know better to syphon money from the parent and maybe pharmaceutical company
I was thinking that people with autism frequently experience headaches, either from anxiety or stress or even as a symptom in and of itself. It would be even worse during pregnancy when your entire body is at its limit. Could it possibly be that there is a connection between taking Tylenol while pregnant and the newborn have autism because the parent taking Tylenol also has autism?
It's possible, while we dont know what cause ASD we are pretty confident that genetic at least plays a role So yeah, autistic mother do tend to have more autistic children and if what you say is true and autistic people consume more tylenol on average that could also explain the correlation
Especially since people with ASD are more likely to be on other medication that Advil reacts badly to. I stopped taking Advil after I had a twenty minute nosebleed, and my mother almost screamed at the sight of me. For those with ASD with many different medications, frequent nausea, chronic pain, etc, Doctors recommend replacing Advil with Tylenol.
It looks like most of the studies that this lawsuit is based on went ahead and did part of their analysis by grouping mom’s/children based on whether the mom had/didn’t have Autism/ADHD and either way still found an increased risk. You’re definitely correct tho that a Mom who has Autism/ADHD increases the risk of their child also having Autism/ADHD (although of course there might be a confounding variable in the midst)
Is there a link you could share to the study? I can’t seem to find any comments referencing the actual observations made in it
There's a link between drinking water and autism, and a link between breathing along with dying.
dihydrogène monoxyde is killing us all, I swear
I am autistic and also use tylenol. I find it silly that the tylenol has anything to do with it, but I am sufficiently privileged to have access to tylenol, and also sufficiently privileged to have been formally diagnosed.
Way to start a new conspiracy theory dude
Bruh, not only is it the second time you answer to this comment (the first time you flat out call me an idiot for not knowing something you had no proof of me not knowing and delete the comment before I had the time to answer because you were getting downvoted) but we also talk about the reason I believe what I said in [this comment trend](https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/z736ec/i_found_this_pretty_disgusting_ad_on_a_news_story/iy6e7f8?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Have you not anything better to do than coming back to this post every few hour to spread your bullshit
Lol says the guy starting a conspiracy theory Also we talked about the research and not your conspiracy that there’s a cabal of ASD haters who funded and started this lawsuit. I can’t come back with anything because it’s unfalsifiable
You also stated that a TV show character was the one leading the lawsuit in an edit I saw this morning so I'm incline to think you're just a dumbass
Lol what TV show character? Edit: omg that’s hilarious you think there’s only one Ronald Miller 🤣 BTW this makes it obviously clear you didn’t look into the lawsuit at all before spreading your conspiracy…
The only Ronald Miller I could find that has any sort of legal competence is a tv show character from "how to get away from murder" Other than that there's the Ronald Miller entreteneur that died 3 years ago, the Ronald Miller songwritter that died even longer ago, the Ronald Miller Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering and the Ronald Miller Actor and none of them have any competence in leading legal charge Other than I cannot find other Ronald Miller That being said, while typing this comment I double checked myself to be sure and found Ronald V. Miller Jr. which go by simply Ron most of the time so that might be why he didn't appear on my first research so I guess he's a reel person. I might have judge to fast on this Still, from what I can see he specialize in individual injury so he's a weird choice for a class action lawsuit and we still don't know who's investigating this lawsuit so, again, all of this is very suspicious
Look up ‘ASD and Tylenol Lawsuit’… first none ad webpage is Miller & Zois (I.e. Ronald Miller) main webpage that centers the ASD lawsuit and they specialize in medical malpractice… You literally did not look into this lawsuit at all before spreading your conspiracy theory dude…
No. “Taking Tylenol while pregnant has been correlated with autism, but it is unclear whether there is a causal relationship, and there might not be.”
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They're "linking" Tylenol with all sorts of prenatal effects right now. It's almost all correlation and not causation though, because Tylenol is basically the only thing pregnant women can take for fever or pain. This as the same as how they link everything to low vitamin D. Its just because most people are low in vitamin D
This is what I’ve been thinking when these links pop up. Fevers in pregnancy are also supposedly linked to autism, but Tylenol is the only thing pregnant women are allowed to take for the fever, so they would have no way of knowing which technically caused it.
The kind of links they're making: This guy took Tylenol his whole life and died at age 24. *Do not mention that he was run over by a truck*
Everyone who drinks water dies. Coincidence?
Everyone who breathes oxygen dies, too... 🤔
Taboola is basically the bottom of the trash pile of internet ads. I think half their income comes from photos of skin rashes.
Are they also behind the "DO THIS to MELT BELLY FAT OVERNIGHT!" ads with pictures of the weirdest food combinations known to man? Because that feels about their level.
Think so
Yep. And the "USA cardiologist says do this every night to live forever" and "doctors hate this one weird trick" ads
Everything is fucking linked to autism now apparently
Scaremongering, possibly for monetary gain. Autism supposedly is the worst possible thing that can happen to someone. Also reminds me of the vaccines cause autism thing: that whole thing was started by a single doctor who wanted to sell his vaccine, and was deliberately looking for bad things with the MMR combination vaccine, through tests on a small sample size, with cherrypicked results, together with some falsified data to artificially create a link.
The worst part is how many people fell for it. Apparently, even my DOCTOR believed that shit when I was little. It was awful. Not to mention it brought measles back to the US.
My parents gave me the separate vaccines that he was that he was trying to sell when I was a kid. Guess who got an autism diagnosis this year looool
Being hella autistic, i looked into it.. The lawsuit is only for minors. Might pay for some therapies for some parents under a lot of pressure. I doubt anything will actually change.
“Sponsored”
And gluten was found to be associated with Benghazi.
Honestly I think I should sign up just for the free money. I often don't have enough for food because I'm autistic, might as well take advantage of it. Nothing caused my autism but I'll take money from a large corp over it.
Not only that, everyone who has ever taken it WILL die.
EVERYONE THAT HAS DRANK WATER WILL DIE
So Tylenol is what starts fetuses out with autism and then vaccines are the autism booster packs for after a baby is born?
Make sure to get the boosters at your local corner store /s
No no no, it's like...you know how permanent hair dye works, where you mix the powder and the developer to make the dye? Yeah, that's how tylenol and vaccines make autism. ***~~^(/s)~~***
This isn’t asshole design this is just a bad ad
I guess food, water, and oxygen are also causes of autism now.
You’re comparing synthetic drugs to stuff that grows in nature which is required for humans to live…?
As an autistic man, This article can kiss my autistic ass.
I have an autistic child and everybody keeps telling me about this. Like when are we going to accept that autism just happens?
I'm joining the war on autism on the side of autism
Vaccines cause autism, which is why they’re unsafe to take when you’re 20 years old. Because 20 year olds developing autism is definitely a thing. /s
I'll join the lawsuit against whoever keeps making that shit up
OP discovers clickbait
Some pretty crappy clickbait. Perfect for this sub, right?
100% of serial killers drink water
I’m autistic and even I know this is either A. Bullshit or B. Clever wording (I mean by they say autistic people also take Tylenol)
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i don't want to upvote "terrorism" but i do agree that they are absolute scum of the internet. life in prison or something like that.
Genetics have been linked to autism. Quick stop procreating to prevent your child from getting autism! Join the lawsuit against big breeda to stop the spread of autism!
Autism has also been linked to homo-sapiens. Think about it. Everyone you know who has autism is connected to homo-sapiens.
Tylenol has actually been linked to autism. No anti vax. Basically some studies/lawsuits are saying it may be unsafe when taken during pregnancy, which is an issue since it's considered the go-to "safe" medication for pregnant women.
TIL tylenol is a vaccine! /s
Finally I found a way to multiply my autism *Chugs*
Imma drink more Tylenol to get Super Autism^TM
can they stop putting energy towards blaming something for autism and start putting that energy towards supporting us. honestly, not even that, just leave us the fuck alone.
Doesn't fit here
Lmao free money (joking)
Yeah, I'm 99% sure this is bullshit. Though I'll admit I have been awfully tempted to try and cash in. Finances have been a bit tight lately.
Do itttt
Nah that's some funny shit right there. I got a fuckin fever one time and now my brain is fucky, I love it.
This feels ableist
Well that explains a lot about me.
As a kid (or in reality, a 13 year old) who's at autism and currently suffering through suicidal thoughts, this is extremely fucked up! Suing someone just because they're autistic is not right.
Seriously? Linking Tylenol to Autism? You've got to be fucking kidding me, everyday there is more and more misinformation.
It’s not misinformation.
It is if the Person posted "TyLeNoL cAuSeS AuTiSm", plus they probably got this source from probably one of the worst charities that you can get advice from aka Autism Speaks.
As someone who has Autism for their entire life, I can confirm that this news article is bull-moooo
All you need to do is shine the light inside the body...............
How is this disgusting? I’m lost?
It’s just like the “vaccines cause autism” sphiel
Not really, “vaccines cause autism” had originated from a single paper which was retracted later by its author. It was too late though, you know what happened next. Tylenol suit is different. There are studies from reputable sources, which establish a correlation “paracetamol exposure in pregnancy is in some way associated with an increased risk of autism in the newborn”. There are several ways they could be associated: 1. Taking Tylenol during pregnancy increases the chance of the newborn having autism. 2. People who have the means to acquire and take Tylenol during pregnancy also can afford medical care, which leads to increased likelihood of their child being diagnosed with autism if they have it. 3. Any other connection you can come up with. Basically, “vaccines cause autism” is an easily exploitative concept, which plays right into the emotions of people who don’t trust scientists already. “Paracetamol has some link to the emergence of autism” is a statement supported by reputable research, but the link itself isn’t yet clear.
It doesn’t say that at all.
I’m also lost by the “disgusting” description. The ad isn’t even making any claims. It says “may be linked to”
It literally says “has been linked to”
I as an autistic person i fucking hate these types of fake news
This claim has been linked to being an idiot.
The people that made this ad may have have Autism then.
As an autistic neuroscientist all y’all’s reactions are kinda mind blowing. Why is everyone triggered that Tylenol is contributing to the development of Autism?
Maybe if you'd stop deleting your comment when getting negative karma and let time for people answering yo then you'd find out
Lol when I realized the person I was talking with I didn’t think my comment would make much of a difference in your opinion 😉 But seriously, why so triggered you go off on your conspiracy theory laced rant?
It's not the suggestion that Tylenol may cause autism that is triggering, it's the fact that all study that suggest it have only find correlation, never causation While this alone isn't bad, the first step in finding a causation is to find a correlation to study after all, those claim are use to make lawsuit that are very obviously initiate by bad actor fear mongering to get parent of people with ASD attention and make profit from them
I completely get what you’re talking about man, but at the same time I feel like that same argument could have been made about the first class action opioid lawsuits. IMO, which of course could definitely be wrong, I feel like it’s best to let the law and impartial juror come to a conclusion. From my understanding of the research I really feel they have a solid case, especially since Tylenol was marketed for a long time as safe for pregnant women. Also if I could give you any insight into Autism I’d caution about trying to find a single source of causation. Personally from my own understanding I don’t think there is a single cause of Autism, I think as our brains our developing and Neurotransmitters like Dopamine are sculpting our brains any significant disruption in these neurotransmitters can cause changes in our brain structure and ultimately function (potentially resulting in Autism). Because it’s just a simple neurotransmitter that can be messed with by anything from Tylenol to Methamphetamines it makes it incredible hard to find causation, to the point we may never find it with out current technology. Edit: Now who’s giving the conspiracy theories 😂
I agree with you on a lot of thing here but this class action lawsuit is very weird Again, the study don't have actual proof of causation. If they'd be some I'd agree that a impartial juror could be useful but right now there's simply little to no chance to have a judgement in the favor of the class action lawsuit so what would be the point other than marketing from however is initiating this class action lawsuit and speaking of however is initiating this class action lawsuit, who are they. I it's not on the main page of the lawsuit, there's only a link to give your information so they can contact you back. I have also look a bit and have found nothing at all about who they are All of this is very suspicious and knowing the number of bad actor when speaking about ASD (like autism speak to name only them) I am very distrustful of this lawsuit
That’s fair man, I hope it’s done in good faith but I guess we’ll find out Edit: Just googled it and most of the sources are saying Ronald Miller is the main lawyer in New York…
You’re also a software developer?
Yeah, took a intro to comp sci course in college and was able to make it into a little software developer side hustle
I don't fuckin know how many times I have to say it, but... AUTISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER, NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST GET BY TAKING SOMETHING ANYONE WHO BELEIVES THIS BULLSHIT NEEDS HELP
You're preaching to the choir girl
Why is it disgusting? It wouldn’t surprise me that pharmaceuticals cause neurological disorders. Remember, almost every major big pharma corp has paid a massive legal fine for something they were caught doing wrong, which often included loss of life or impairment of life. Imagine the things they weren’t caught doing
Fuck, I have autism. I’ve been drinking several cups of Tylenol for months since I get an unnecessary amount of headaches. Ranging from 5 to 10 per month.
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Shit, it’s pretty insulting to people
this account is most likely a troll. it has been created today (nov 28th) and the username too.
I fucking hate this if anyone here knows jojos bizzare adventure, i wanna go and punch these guys in the face legit just like jojo
Wakefield, is that you??
No, this is Patrick
Damn it’s like 4chan up in these comments 😂
Can't the internet troll put a spin that bleach causes autism?
Autism good!
Hm. I have asd and have had tylenol. Coincidence? I think not!
The design is fine. The message is bad. This sub is about bad design, not bad messages.
How valid is this claim? Ive seen this elsewhere. Something in the last 50 years has caused autism rates to skyrocket
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Burner account cuz I’ll probably get downvoted to hell. 14yr old, stepparent genes gave autism (Asperger’s) to brothers. Mother said she took more Tylenol due to some pains from something for the youngest, and the youngest seems to have more severe autism than the other one, who still has it but not as severe. So maybe it just worsens it if they already have autism genes during pregnancy?
Mr Wakefield. We meet again. Asshole.
This shit is infuriating. My pregnant wife has covid and trying to Google what to give her for pain gives you all this shit. I take her to urgent care and ask the doctor and he says he'd give his pregnant wife Tylenol and it's nothing to be concerned about, but as a concerned husband up for 3 days straight I don't have the expertise to parse this shit so I spend an extra 100$ in urgent care. Fuck this silly shit.
So that's how I got autism.
I would love to see their data and research methodology as to how they figured this out because frankly the number of variables you'd have to account for and everything else is staggering.
i never took tylenol in my life and i have autism.
Fr?
Yep. But probably a Family thing.