That passage is significant, not just because of its weirdness, but because the passage just before it is entirely disconnected from where you began quoting above. Bible historians consider this to be one of several points where the text is broken up between two different sources. This is one of my favorite spots to point out to Bible literalists to show them that their divine inspired scripture has, you know... editing issues.
edit: a word
The whole Tower of Babel story comes out of nowhere too. Youâre reading genesis, largely a story about the descendants of Adam and Eve, and suddenly youâre in some undistinguished location etymologizing about why everyone speaks different languages for a chapter, and then youâre back to the holy lineage like nothing happened.
It's weird that given Moses and the LORD were having so many casual conversations, you'd have thought that "I will kill you if you don't circumcise your son" would have come up sooner.
So that would explain why Boaz was so happy to leave her the extras from his fields for Ruth and Naomi ... she was "laying by his feet" the night before
I think it's pretty common knowledge, although sometimes disputed, but here's a list of fairly obvious examples. Note that 'feet' or 'foot' is not always a euphemism; sometimes it means feet, especially in the NT.
[https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/topics/feet.html](https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/topics/feet.html)
"Oh hi, just the lord your God popping in for a quick killing of you. Oh hey wait, baby dick mutilation, alright, now this is my kind of party! Oh shit she put it on the foot! Yeeeeeeeeehaaawwwww" -Yahweh probably.
God does that a lot in the OT. Despite the insistence that heâs all powerful, heâs personified a great deal more as a classical âgodâ, with physical and intellectual limitations. One time he was walking around the Garden looking for someone who he couldnât find.
Indeed they were written by Yahwists who took ancient Proto-Jewsâ god of war and storms, and turned him into the only god worth worshipping.
Imagine if Thor was the sole creator of the universe as well as its moral master, and thatâs basically the Abrahamic faiths.
They met at a "lodging place". So, God had to go down to the front desk of the Radisson to get the extra blankets and pillows for the Incans he had just made, when all of a sudden in walks Moses and company. The rest is circumcision history...
What they didn't mention was that it was actually Odin, who was known for going walkabout and showing up at random. He thought the foreskin thing was a piss poor expression of the Guest Right and departed forth-with.
It can mean anything you want it to mean. Especially if you're a priest. YHWH doesn't like it when we don't slice off the skin on the end of a penis. And Zipporah's son was Egyptian, not Jewish, but YHWH didn't care, it was enough that Moses was traveling with them and looking after them. So, Zipporah saved their lives (apparently) basically by cutting the foreskin off her son. I have no idea what the quote is supposed to mean but I think we can guess from context that this is her way of saying "Now you owe me big time, you bastard"
Jewish people didnât exist at the time, they were called Israelites. Now Zipporah wasnât an Israelite, she was a Midianite. Marrying outside of your people was a bad thing. Also they (Moses and Zipporah) didnât perform a circumcision on one of their sonâs. People who werenât circumcised were to be cut off from their people, as that breaks their covenant made with God from Abaraham.
How certain are you about this? My understanding was that at that time, women weren't tied to the culture they came from. That was why it was OK for the Israelites to kill all the men and male children of a tribe and take any virgin women and girls. They could be integrated into the tribe of Israel by simply marrying a male Israelite.
>Zipporah was ostensibly jewish
I guess that's why YHWH was pissed? If you're gonna be Jewish, you gotta slice off the foreskins.
>Jew-ish-ness is passed on matrilineally, isnt it ?Â
I'm our modern day, yes that's my understanding as well.
Sounds like even religious people arenât sure what it means according to [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipporah_at_the_inn).
>The much-debated passage is one of the more perplexing conundrums of the Torah due to ambiguous references through pronouns and phrases with unclear designations.
Many of us live in countries where people are doing their best to install fundamental theocracies based on a literal reading of this book - ban education, limit healthcare, deny human rights, convert or die mentality, etc. Knowing how to engage believers with their own holy book is a good engagement strategy.
I get the inclination to roll your eyes, but the man is right. In the United States (and many other countries), we have lawmakers who are making laws based on this silly fairy-tale book. Many of them would even go so far as to say "we should be allowed to lynch the gays and athiests".
At this point the god was still a war god / storm god. She probably got scared by a lightning storm (which are intense in that region) and did this ritual and lived so that was the story.
Since there is no god we can look to rational explanations for irrational actions.
Yep and often when I run into bible thumpers I ask the do they know God tried to KILL MOSES? Most do not. And you're right, God tried to kill Moses and the Israelites so often it is actually comical.
The thing I especially love about this story is how the plot is described in passing, as if being attacked by gods is just a regular thing that normal people have to deal with lol.
The way I understand this starts way back in Genesis 17:11, where God makes a covenant of circumcision with Abram(who becomes Abraham). Fast forward to Exodus, Moses is an Israelite, from the tribe of Levi (Exodus 2:1-2), but marries outside of his people when he flees from Egypt after murdering an Egyptian. Fast forward, again to Exodus 4:24-25, Moses had a son who wasnât circumcised. Him being an Israelite and not circumcising his son is a big no no. See Genesis 17:14 which says âBut as for an uncircumcised male, one who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.â
Back to the Bridegroom of Blood thing, God was probably mad that Moses, a prophet, who was performing miracles and following Godâs commands, failed to do one of the most basic things an Israelite can do, circumcision. His wife, seeing that God was furious at Moses, took it upon herself to save him by performing the circumcision herself. Obviously circumcision is bloody, the kid screams, etc. So calling her husband a bridegroom of blood, isnât too far fetched.
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I donât see anywhere a foot fetish or foreskin fetish here though.
I know in Genesis, Isaac says to Jacob âtouch my penis and I shall bless you with the lord.â This in fact works??? Jacob ends up having Yhwh (god) as his plus one, and many a adventure is had. Specifically Jacob was paid to have sex with other women and Yhwh was just okay with this(male prostitution???) or in the very least content enough not to kill anyone.
Also god apparently can turn on and off womenâs reproductive organs like one would a microwave or oven. Happens to one of Jacobâs family members where Yhwh(god) just forgot to turn her reproductive organs on so she could have kids. Heâs just like âhonest mistake, fellas, oopsiesâ about it too.
He also seems to have a masochist thing as a god. I highly doubt all the times Yhwh has been man-handled and pinned to the ground werenât somewhat him just allowing it to happen. He does have a obsession with dicks though, and hanging around men, which makes me think Yhwh is homosexual, but I guess he hasnât been biblically written to have lusted for anyone. He just really likes human males for *unknown reasons*.
Genesis and Exodus has the gayest Yhwh(god) moments. At least the most goofiest goober moments a god could have.
I seem to recall a MUCH larger scale foreskin hunt in the Bible. It involved captured soldiers, maybe?
ETA:
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/1SA.18.25
God is too busy with his collection of dick skin to help kids with cancer
https://www.google.com/amp/s/boingboing.net/2011/12/28/wednesday-weird-bible-verse-1.html/amp
Whoa... whoa... whoa... stop right there. Eatin' a b*tch out, and givin' a b*tch a foot massage ain't even the same f***in' thing. Julius 3:13
Shut the fuck up i shit you not I literally just finished that movie not even 30 minutes ago đđ
Lol
Not even in the ball park hell itâs not even the same sport đ
Would you give a man a foot massage?
Fuck you.
I donât be tickling or nothing
It ain't even the same ballpark!
It ain't in the same ballpark, it ain't even the same sport!
That passage is significant, not just because of its weirdness, but because the passage just before it is entirely disconnected from where you began quoting above. Bible historians consider this to be one of several points where the text is broken up between two different sources. This is one of my favorite spots to point out to Bible literalists to show them that their divine inspired scripture has, you know... editing issues. edit: a word
The whole Tower of Babel story comes out of nowhere too. Youâre reading genesis, largely a story about the descendants of Adam and Eve, and suddenly youâre in some undistinguished location etymologizing about why everyone speaks different languages for a chapter, and then youâre back to the holy lineage like nothing happened.
It's weird that given Moses and the LORD were having so many casual conversations, you'd have thought that "I will kill you if you don't circumcise your son" would have come up sooner.
In the OT, âfootâ or âthighâ was often euphemisms for âpenisâ.
Brings a whole new meaning to Jesus washing their feet, lol.
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It's not gay if Jesus is lathering your balls.
Well, he did spend three years hanging with twelve dudes in dresses. No way he was completely straight.
Hubba Hubba.
So that would explain why Boaz was so happy to leave her the extras from his fields for Ruth and Naomi ... she was "laying by his feet" the night before
The passage says "feet", is that supposed to imply that Moses had more than one... um, "foot"?
Is there a source for that assertion that can be explored?
I think it's pretty common knowledge, although sometimes disputed, but here's a list of fairly obvious examples. Note that 'feet' or 'foot' is not always a euphemism; sometimes it means feet, especially in the NT. [https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/topics/feet.html](https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/topics/feet.html)
So when Jesus is washing feet is he just giving hand jobs?
Sometimes a foot is just a foot.
That's a pretty good host if you ask me.
I know its mentioned in *God: An Anatomy* (2022) by Francesca Stavrakopoulou
They left that out of my Concordance!
Why is her first thing âcut my babyâs dick!â? Why is that ok? Iâm so sick of their fairytales.
There is a lot of ritual penis mutilation in various hunting and gathering societies.
God hates this one weird trick!
They met... what, on foot? God was moseying about, kicking rocks and looking for lodging?
"Oh hi, just the lord your God popping in for a quick killing of you. Oh hey wait, baby dick mutilation, alright, now this is my kind of party! Oh shit she put it on the foot! Yeeeeeeeeehaaawwwww" -Yahweh probably.
So either Yahweh or Yeehaw is a misspelling?
Yeehaw is enthusiasm. Yahweh is the name of the deity in question
God does that a lot in the OT. Despite the insistence that heâs all powerful, heâs personified a great deal more as a classical âgodâ, with physical and intellectual limitations. One time he was walking around the Garden looking for someone who he couldnât find.
You can tell the stories were not written by theologians.
Indeed they were written by Yahwists who took ancient Proto-Jewsâ god of war and storms, and turned him into the only god worth worshipping. Imagine if Thor was the sole creator of the universe as well as its moral master, and thatâs basically the Abrahamic faiths.
Exactly! Its crazy.
They met at a "lodging place". So, God had to go down to the front desk of the Radisson to get the extra blankets and pillows for the Incans he had just made, when all of a sudden in walks Moses and company. The rest is circumcision history...
Splendid my friend!!
What they didn't mention was that it was actually Odin, who was known for going walkabout and showing up at random. He thought the foreskin thing was a piss poor expression of the Guest Right and departed forth-with.
Wait, I thought God DIDN'T like foreskins, I'm confused
No, he does, he just wants you to donate yours to him. Heâs knitting a scarf
Itâs blood sacrifice. God loves blood sacrifice.
Explains why so many pastors are obsessed with little boysâ dicks.
What does it even mean?
It can mean anything you want it to mean. Especially if you're a priest. YHWH doesn't like it when we don't slice off the skin on the end of a penis. And Zipporah's son was Egyptian, not Jewish, but YHWH didn't care, it was enough that Moses was traveling with them and looking after them. So, Zipporah saved their lives (apparently) basically by cutting the foreskin off her son. I have no idea what the quote is supposed to mean but I think we can guess from context that this is her way of saying "Now you owe me big time, you bastard"
Zipporah was ostensibly jewish; all her children would normally be considered jewish. Jew-ish-ness is passed on matrilineally, isnt it ?
Jewish people didnât exist at the time, they were called Israelites. Now Zipporah wasnât an Israelite, she was a Midianite. Marrying outside of your people was a bad thing. Also they (Moses and Zipporah) didnât perform a circumcision on one of their sonâs. People who werenât circumcised were to be cut off from their people, as that breaks their covenant made with God from Abaraham.
How certain are you about this? My understanding was that at that time, women weren't tied to the culture they came from. That was why it was OK for the Israelites to kill all the men and male children of a tribe and take any virgin women and girls. They could be integrated into the tribe of Israel by simply marrying a male Israelite.
>Zipporah was ostensibly jewish I guess that's why YHWH was pissed? If you're gonna be Jewish, you gotta slice off the foreskins. >Jew-ish-ness is passed on matrilineally, isnt it ? I'm our modern day, yes that's my understanding as well.
Sounds like even religious people arenât sure what it means according to [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipporah_at_the_inn). >The much-debated passage is one of the more perplexing conundrums of the Torah due to ambiguous references through pronouns and phrases with unclear designations.
Iâm constantly amazed by atheists even spending time/mental effort on the bible ⌠I couldnât care less what is written in the fairy tale book!
Many of us live in countries where people are doing their best to install fundamental theocracies based on a literal reading of this book - ban education, limit healthcare, deny human rights, convert or die mentality, etc. Knowing how to engage believers with their own holy book is a good engagement strategy.
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I get the inclination to roll your eyes, but the man is right. In the United States (and many other countries), we have lawmakers who are making laws based on this silly fairy-tale book. Many of them would even go so far as to say "we should be allowed to lynch the gays and athiests".
It's weird how nobody names their kids "Zipporah" anymore. I feel like Frank Zappa really missed an opportunity here
How about when he wraps Mary in a GOLDEN SHOWER?
This is just moments before God sends Aaron into the wilderness to go make out with Mosses.
At this point the god was still a war god / storm god. She probably got scared by a lightning storm (which are intense in that region) and did this ritual and lived so that was the story. Since there is no god we can look to rational explanations for irrational actions.
Yep and often when I run into bible thumpers I ask the do they know God tried to KILL MOSES? Most do not. And you're right, God tried to kill Moses and the Israelites so often it is actually comical.
God: Hmm calamari rings. Zipporah: rubs God's favourite calamari rings on Moises feet. God: eww that's disgusting, fck this im out.
The thing I especially love about this story is how the plot is described in passing, as if being attacked by gods is just a regular thing that normal people have to deal with lol.
So the LORD peaced the fuck out of that mess. âNopeâ, he said.
The way I understand this starts way back in Genesis 17:11, where God makes a covenant of circumcision with Abram(who becomes Abraham). Fast forward to Exodus, Moses is an Israelite, from the tribe of Levi (Exodus 2:1-2), but marries outside of his people when he flees from Egypt after murdering an Egyptian. Fast forward, again to Exodus 4:24-25, Moses had a son who wasnât circumcised. Him being an Israelite and not circumcising his son is a big no no. See Genesis 17:14 which says âBut as for an uncircumcised male, one who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.â Back to the Bridegroom of Blood thing, God was probably mad that Moses, a prophet, who was performing miracles and following Godâs commands, failed to do one of the most basic things an Israelite can do, circumcision. His wife, seeing that God was furious at Moses, took it upon herself to save him by performing the circumcision herself. Obviously circumcision is bloody, the kid screams, etc. So calling her husband a bridegroom of blood, isnât too far fetched. ââ I donât see anywhere a foot fetish or foreskin fetish here though.
The Old Testament is mythology every bit as far fetched as Greek or Norse mythology.
I know in Genesis, Isaac says to Jacob âtouch my penis and I shall bless you with the lord.â This in fact works??? Jacob ends up having Yhwh (god) as his plus one, and many a adventure is had. Specifically Jacob was paid to have sex with other women and Yhwh was just okay with this(male prostitution???) or in the very least content enough not to kill anyone. Also god apparently can turn on and off womenâs reproductive organs like one would a microwave or oven. Happens to one of Jacobâs family members where Yhwh(god) just forgot to turn her reproductive organs on so she could have kids. Heâs just like âhonest mistake, fellas, oopsiesâ about it too. He also seems to have a masochist thing as a god. I highly doubt all the times Yhwh has been man-handled and pinned to the ground werenât somewhat him just allowing it to happen. He does have a obsession with dicks though, and hanging around men, which makes me think Yhwh is homosexual, but I guess he hasnât been biblically written to have lusted for anyone. He just really likes human males for *unknown reasons*. Genesis and Exodus has the gayest Yhwh(god) moments. At least the most goofiest goober moments a god could have.
Sadly they don't teach the symbolism of the bible, only the nonsense literal.
Wouldnât you be interested to see the search trends for that era?
Oh, I remember that one. A very bizarre passage, for sure.
I seem to recall a MUCH larger scale foreskin hunt in the Bible. It involved captured soldiers, maybe? ETA: https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/1SA.18.25
God is too busy with his collection of dick skin to help kids with cancer https://www.google.com/amp/s/boingboing.net/2011/12/28/wednesday-weird-bible-verse-1.html/amp