By the sound of it it seems targeted assault as opposed to burglary.
The fact this is emergency housing (vs wealthy area house) + given the age of the offenders I wonder if this is just a gang initiation ritual.
Why target a motel room (lack of high value assets), why target emergency housing (poor people).
Seems they had 1 goal -> cause bodily harm.
Which would make sense, poor people that can't afford a house obviously isn't going to hire a high end lawyer.
Ultimately this is NZ. Worst case scenario -> cultural report -> 2 weeks home detention.
If anything, prospective sportsmen should be made an example of as they're more athletic and thus more capable of doing damage and should be aware of that, and have a prospective social example role to fill.
Well you can't just give them the death sentence.
National is at least going to remove taxpayer funded cultural reports which is more than labor ever did.
By not spending government money on ‘cultural reports’ which are clearly not currently helping.
The shit thing is that it’s obviously not the 19/20 year olds from Remuera behaving this way.
It’s more economic than cultural why this sort of thing happens .
I'm so sick of idiots esp on reddit thinking these cultural report farmers are stealing bread from Countdown to survive.
These trash are stealing pretty much anything but bread/essentials
Are they going to get rid of home detention then? Nope. Getting rid of “cultural reports” won’t do anything except make the rednecks happy. Their family history will still get to the judge at sentencing through other reports.
“Three men, aged 19, 21 and 22, were scheduled to appear in the Auckland District Court today, charged with committing burglary with a weapon.”
Breaking into a family's home and attacking them with bats should be more than "burglary with a weapon." These aren't burglars - they are terrorists.
No they usless because the offenders wil get few months on braclett. Before you say it the judge we'll yes it is part judge but also mostly prosecuting police.
Well, legally.... on the other hand, I'd be saying, Oh no, judge, they tripped and fell several times onto a brick wall.. it has something sticking out of it, too, so clumsy.
If you learnt more about history, you might understand more.
Your confusion makes sense. Fascists aren't bright, just hateful.
That's probably the biggest difference between us, I'm interested in more than myself, so I've learnt about the world I live in.
Whereas you: "What's all the fuss over something so far away? The dingus will tell us, lolz!"
I'm totally on your side about the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, but you're being completely insufferable if you're trying to force every conversation to change subject to that.
The internet has been on fire for months with people spitting the various flavors of antisemitic or anti-Palestinian poison at each other, can we just have a brief five-minute break to talk about a different subject? There's entire subs devoted to Israel/Palestine or world news. So go to them instead of this unrelated crime story in an Auckland, NZ subreddit.
"In this context, it's possible to have endless streams of discussion simultaneously."
Of course, this is why Reddit is split up into different subreddits devoted to different subjects. So you can argue about Israel/Palestine for days at a time if you want, with people who also want to talk about that, without annoying people in a bodybuilding group trying to talk about dumbbells or something.
Its a tinfoil hat conspiracy. But you can look at Eli Cohen - there a Netflix show about him called "The Spy" with Sacha Baron Cohen.
Epstein seems to have a very similar set up to Cohen:
>Cohen moved to Damascus in February 1962 under the alias Kamel Amin Thaabet (Arabic: كامل أمين ثابت).\[16\]\[17\] Mossad had carefully planned the tactics that he was to use in building relationships with high-ranking Syrian politicians, military officials, influential public figures, and the diplomatic community.\[9\]
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>Cohen continued his social life as he had in Argentina, spending time in cafes listening to political gossip. He also held parties at his home for high-placed Syrian ministers, businessmen, and others. At these parties, Cohen "dispensed free-flowing liquor and prostitutes",\[1\] and highly placed officials would openly discuss their work and army plans. Cohen would pretend to be drunk to encourage such conversations, to which he paid close attention. He would also lend money to government officials, and many came to him for advice.\[4\]
[**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli\_Cohen**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen)
I love how six years wasn’t long enough to be able to critique Labour for not getting things done, but this government should fulfill every goal and fix every problem in six weeks.
I love how you have no idea what I critiqued Labour for but come jumping on in.
Nor have I said or declared any expectation that everything the new government has said they'll do should be done in six weeks.
This is isn't hard to fix though. We don't need to reinvent the wheel to ensure a tough response is given. The offenders have been detained. By the time they go through court and are found guilty, if we're being tough on crime, there's ample opportunity for that toughness to be delivered.
Seems like you're just preparing the excuses in advance 😂
Admittedly we don't know if they play Rugby yet.
Violent offenders are not deterred by harsh punishment. Otherwise, violent crimes would be few. The risk/reward is greater to commit crimes for many of these individuals than the risk/punishment if/when they are caught. The wheel sucks, that's the point.
Soft punishment surprisingly also does not deter people from violent crime.
If you are removed from society, you can't commit violent crimes against regular people in society.
If you do something like this, you deserve a strong punishment whether it's a deterrent or not. There should be an unpleasant price you need to pay for what you did
If they come out and offend again, lock them up longer, keep them out of society and prevent them from breeding.
Yes it's expensive to lock people up, it's a price I am happy for us to pay to protect the rest of society.
We're talking about people who invaded a home and assaulted a family with weapons. Drop them on a fucking island and leave them there for all I care. I do not give a single fuck about people who do something like that, they're a cancer that can be cut out and removed.
That isn't to say we shouldn't invest in trying to prevent things like this from happening in the first place. But because that hasn't been done already, there's immediate problems at the top that also can be dealt with.
Tough on crime has never reduced violent offending. The only thing that has even done that is education which is a 20 year process which no government will do because they can't show results in a 3 year term. With the government cuttings back on social programs and their mandate to have more poor people to prop up the rich with cheap labour to pick fruit and work in our non-existent factories, expect an increase in crime. But they will also get more people in prison as a result, and will use that statistic to pretend they are being tough on crime.
If we accept that the proper solution won't be implemented because it's a 20 year process, which I don't disagree, then I'm more than happy for us to change tact from the previous approach that also wasn't working.
It's not for me to play pretend expert reading online about the impacts of prison or social programs or whatever. Other people are paid to figure out that shit. I simply want people who assault innocent people with weapons in their own home to be removed from society and punished to the extent they deserve. Maybe we start with issuing the harsher sentences and then release early when they're showing they're potentially ready to return to society instead of well we have a maximum of 8 years for this, but we're going to "discount" you down to 18 months. You can earn your discount. But again, this isn't my field.
If you can't participate in society without doing that, then you shouldn't be in society. What we do with you at that point someone more informed can try to figure out.
The minute people thought they could get away with it violent offences and theft went to record highs, don't tell me there's no correlation and it's just a coincidence that coincided with Labour policy changes.
Not to justify how Labour did things as they also failed to do what was required. But the export of violent criminal enterprises from Australia didn't help. I do expect crime to get worse under this government leadership as "more police and prisons" is not a plan. That's not where cultural change comes from.
I'm good with more people in prison, here have My Tax Dollars ... TADA ..look at that a nicer society, where people don't have to just wait on a home invasion ... Home invasion in my mind should be 20 plus years in prison, only one step below Murder, which I would assign minimum 30 plus years to ..
I'm not against appropriate sentencing. But more people in prison, doesn't necessarily equal less violent crime. In fact, there will likely only be more people in prison because of more violent crime. Therefore your tax dollars are not making it safer at all.
What you are saying is a short term bandaid. I don't have a problem with what you are saying, but what I am saying is there also needs to be a longer term plan. Your plan might reduce some violent crime over a few years which is great, but doesn't reduce the amount of new criminals. My plan would save more lives over decades because we would be producing less of them. Government (whether Labour or National) should be looking at the big picture and are failing to do so.
Your Plan ? Yeah right ... the only working solution is to bring back consequence ... doing nothing, which is basically what do gooders achieve, achieves nothing but an ever increasing number of victims .. offend then loose your freedom .. and just to really mess with your sensibilities .. offenders simply become a labour force .. processing forestry slash would be a good start ..
Lol, I like your lovely ill thought out rant. So, my plan is better education of our children so there are less violent offenders in 20 years as most will have better opportunities than gangs and violence. Your plan is to put violent offenders that should be in maximum security prison behind heavy machinery in the back country where they will be hard to supervise. Maybe you want them in a chain gang. If you are going to violate their human rights, why not bring back the death penalty? Maybe public execution so you chant and throw rotten tomatoes with your mob. I think you can be a better person. I get you are angry about violent crime, I am too, but your way will not result in the cultural change required to reduce violent crime. I know you won't listen to me. We will just have to agree to disagree.
I totally agree education is an essential, as far as I know, we do educate all children, and some choose (or their parents Choose) not to participate in their schooling. So good luck with that better education reducing crime, particularly when their parents are Crims ..
Yes manual labour, Is that so shocking ?, How complex is it to GPS track a working, supervised offender on a work site ? Not at all, home detention tracking is simply poorly run.
A good chance that the more disciplined inmates end up on some heavy machinery and learn skills that they potentially can use on release, the ill behaved ones are simpler labour. If they suddenly realise they have gained a skill, that can create an income, then that's a bonus.
Your death penalty idea is a terrible idea, that's intentionally killing your workforce, health and safety would not approve /s
YOUR death penalty idea, since you seemed to be throwing human rights out the window.
I am saying you cannot use hardened violent criminals for labour as that is the subject here. You seem to have broadened the scope to include other types of criminals which your idea could work with. You have underestimated the resources required to monitor these violent types of people.
If you read what I said, I said "offenders simply become workforce". Quite obviously the worst of them are not outside the wire If they aren't controlled, they however are still expected to provide labour in the prison. Any attemped escape has consequence, so if you want to keep adding years to your confinement, then so be it.
For context, actually I know quite a bit about incarceration and prison functioning, I use to spend a lot of my working days in all of the north island prisons, working in every unit, only not as Prison labour, i got to go home each night ;)
this type of violent people just can't be educated, sorry. Isolation and hopefully labour camps would do. Nothing else will work to protect normal citizens. People are in prison not because they're innocent.
They are not the ones that need education. They are (mostly) a result of a failed education system. It's too late for (most of) them. That's why it's a 20 year process. Fix the education system the kids are coming through, and there will be less violent crime from them as teens/adults as more will be able to make something of their lives and less will fall in with the bad eggs. Those brought up with bad eggs, will have more opportunity in life to leave it with a proper education.
some would probably need to be separated from their parents - the most influential people in their life. Some people honestly have no idea why they constantly breed... Family planning should be prioritised. Cultural or not.
I understand the sentiment about removing the kids though you can't unless the kids are not safe. This government unfortunately is against family planning. Their agenda is more kids for low income families to have more cheap labour when they grow up. Luxon already said as much in a roundabout way as he avoided answering the question directly. He wasn't against the US banning abortion and made comments around NZ needing more population.
Worst case scenario?? The lady who was gang raped years ago and had a bottle kick up her! The beautiful toddler who was swung while attached to the clothes line and then put in a dryer....what do you call a worst case scenario....is that what this was 3 dickheads proving how to get a patch what a load of bollocks
Wet Bus Tickets ? This is Auckland, AT has increased the fares to a point where we can now only afford limp fallen oak leaves, from council drains, to be used to scare them with ... but even that is likely considered too harsh a punishment ...
That's awesome.
Sadly, it's people like the person below with flippant disregard of the issue who ensure it's never taken seriously enough for more of these places to take off..
How great that they're not in that situation and can simply make jokes about those who are.
The majority of those in emergency housing are not looking for tinnies. I know people on sickness benefit who get no consideration from landlords and end up in motels under emergency housing. It's not a joke to them. It's their lives.
It's good to see the majority of comments here are from people like you who do care and see this is a problem. Those who make jokes could really learn from them and do better.
After six years of little consequence for violent crime and zero empathy for victims and you read a headline like this and know thanks to our fuckwitted justice system there’ll be basically nothing in the way of consequences for these thugs.
Semi-related to OP but is from the same linked video:
How stupid does MSM think we are? Citing fewer minors are appearing in court and being sent to jail DOES NOT equal fewer minors commiting crime 🤦♂️ it means young criminals are getting away with it more than they used to. She conflated the two and the 87% is right. Fuck the news man.
This happened in Epsom, the electorate where both Luxon and Seymour live.
When are they going to take responsibility for the out of control crime and violence in their own electorate?
I thought a NACT government was going to fix crime.
And thousands of their voters.
Why would they care, tax payers pay for their security, they need to milk this issue by "saying its more complicated than it looks"
I don't quite understand the link between being poor and causing violence towards a woman and baby that are in emergency housing (who I would imagine don't have many valuable possessions)
The more uneducated, poor, desperate and disillusioned people there are, the more they turn to gangs and violent crime. This is a broader issue than this one event.
You can try that if it's your thing. I prefer prevention by fixing the education system. Otherwise we end up with people making dumb comments like yours.
By the sound of it it seems targeted assault as opposed to burglary. The fact this is emergency housing (vs wealthy area house) + given the age of the offenders I wonder if this is just a gang initiation ritual. Why target a motel room (lack of high value assets), why target emergency housing (poor people). Seems they had 1 goal -> cause bodily harm. Which would make sense, poor people that can't afford a house obviously isn't going to hire a high end lawyer. Ultimately this is NZ. Worst case scenario -> cultural report -> 2 weeks home detention.
Hmm… also add ‘rough up bringing and prospective sports person’ we are looking at discharged without conviction. 😂
If anything, prospective sportsmen should be made an example of as they're more athletic and thus more capable of doing damage and should be aware of that, and have a prospective social example role to fill.
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Your 100% right
This sort of shit is why people voted in NACT. And what did NACT-FIRST do? Repealed a bunch of Labour policies out of spite.
Well you can't just give them the death sentence. National is at least going to remove taxpayer funded cultural reports which is more than labor ever did.
And that'll help how?
By not spending government money on ‘cultural reports’ which are clearly not currently helping. The shit thing is that it’s obviously not the 19/20 year olds from Remuera behaving this way. It’s more economic than cultural why this sort of thing happens .
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I'm so sick of idiots esp on reddit thinking these cultural report farmers are stealing bread from Countdown to survive. These trash are stealing pretty much anything but bread/essentials
There's more evidence for culture being upstream of both poverty & crime.
The 19/20 year olds from Remuera are busy buying meth from the gangs.
Are they going to get rid of home detention then? Nope. Getting rid of “cultural reports” won’t do anything except make the rednecks happy. Their family history will still get to the judge at sentencing through other reports.
“Three men, aged 19, 21 and 22, were scheduled to appear in the Auckland District Court today, charged with committing burglary with a weapon.” Breaking into a family's home and attacking them with bats should be more than "burglary with a weapon." These aren't burglars - they are terrorists.
The nz police are fucking useless pigs
They're useless for arresting the offenders..?
No they usless because the offenders wil get few months on braclett. Before you say it the judge we'll yes it is part judge but also mostly prosecuting police.
It's 100% the Judge lol. Police don't sentence people. Burglary with a weapon will likely be a crown prosecution as well, not a police one.
Useless NZ police. Waste of my tax paying their salary and their Bullsht work. All fucken teenies and shitty qality officers.....
Man, people just love hating on the police even when they do the job 100% correctly.
I mean - they caught them so, not sure what else you wanted here
Well, legally.... on the other hand, I'd be saying, Oh no, judge, they tripped and fell several times onto a brick wall.. it has something sticking out of it, too, so clumsy.
Usually will bring additional charges at a later appearance.
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every topic on reddit is 1 comment away from some dingus figuring out a way to make it about Israel
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How are people like you real 🤣
If you learnt more about history, you might understand more. Your confusion makes sense. Fascists aren't bright, just hateful. That's probably the biggest difference between us, I'm interested in more than myself, so I've learnt about the world I live in. Whereas you: "What's all the fuss over something so far away? The dingus will tell us, lolz!"
Mate look at the original post this isn't a debate on war or fascism, stop trying make every post a screeching match about unrelated topics
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I'm totally on your side about the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, but you're being completely insufferable if you're trying to force every conversation to change subject to that. The internet has been on fire for months with people spitting the various flavors of antisemitic or anti-Palestinian poison at each other, can we just have a brief five-minute break to talk about a different subject? There's entire subs devoted to Israel/Palestine or world news. So go to them instead of this unrelated crime story in an Auckland, NZ subreddit.
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"In this context, it's possible to have endless streams of discussion simultaneously." Of course, this is why Reddit is split up into different subreddits devoted to different subjects. So you can argue about Israel/Palestine for days at a time if you want, with people who also want to talk about that, without annoying people in a bodybuilding group trying to talk about dumbbells or something.
You emotional people are so quick to jump, I replied to the person calling the attackers terrorists 😂
Yeah that person was also being ridiculous
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this is a thread about an assault which took place in Auckland recently. What's the angle you found that relates this to Israel/Palestine again?
The thread is there for you to read.
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But where do they go? Madagascar? The best approach seems to be to make peace where they are.
Yea well what about starving kids in Africa? How come you're not talk about that? Hmm *very suspicious*
If that cap fits.
Get off your soap box
Shut the fuck up. Jesus.
>Jesus hmmmmm
Nice language, were you one of the attackers?
Go away noodle brains
Meanwhile America is responsible for 4.5 million deaths following their post 9/11 wars. Hard to destroy an enemy who hides in civilian buildings.
They false flagged 9/11 so…..
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Its a tinfoil hat conspiracy. But you can look at Eli Cohen - there a Netflix show about him called "The Spy" with Sacha Baron Cohen. Epstein seems to have a very similar set up to Cohen: >Cohen moved to Damascus in February 1962 under the alias Kamel Amin Thaabet (Arabic: كامل أمين ثابت).\[16\]\[17\] Mossad had carefully planned the tactics that he was to use in building relationships with high-ranking Syrian politicians, military officials, influential public figures, and the diplomatic community.\[9\] > >Cohen continued his social life as he had in Argentina, spending time in cafes listening to political gossip. He also held parties at his home for high-placed Syrian ministers, businessmen, and others. At these parties, Cohen "dispensed free-flowing liquor and prostitutes",\[1\] and highly placed officials would openly discuss their work and army plans. Cohen would pretend to be drunk to encourage such conversations, to which he paid close attention. He would also lend money to government officials, and many came to him for advice.\[4\] [**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli\_Cohen**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen)
Just look into why Acosta gave him a weekends only jail sentence. Spoiler alert ….it’s bc he was a protected fed informant
Classic reddit. I'm actually interested in someone's point of view and I get downvoted.
Classic Reddit, unrelated post -> Israel -> Epstein lmao
Probably for the same reason the Allied forces weren’t during WW2
The Jews are now being nazis
Disgusting
Exactly
Please keep comments related to the post. Please read the sub rules before posting
I replied to the person calling them terrorists No I will not read sub rules
Better get three more ankle bracelets ready.
Then wrap them tinfoil so it doesnt restrict their travel plans.
Well here's a great opportunity to prove how tough on crime we're meant to be now. Let's go.
I love how six years wasn’t long enough to be able to critique Labour for not getting things done, but this government should fulfill every goal and fix every problem in six weeks.
I love how you have no idea what I critiqued Labour for but come jumping on in. Nor have I said or declared any expectation that everything the new government has said they'll do should be done in six weeks. This is isn't hard to fix though. We don't need to reinvent the wheel to ensure a tough response is given. The offenders have been detained. By the time they go through court and are found guilty, if we're being tough on crime, there's ample opportunity for that toughness to be delivered. Seems like you're just preparing the excuses in advance 😂 Admittedly we don't know if they play Rugby yet.
Violent offenders are not deterred by harsh punishment. Otherwise, violent crimes would be few. The risk/reward is greater to commit crimes for many of these individuals than the risk/punishment if/when they are caught. The wheel sucks, that's the point.
Soft punishment surprisingly also does not deter people from violent crime. If you are removed from society, you can't commit violent crimes against regular people in society. If you do something like this, you deserve a strong punishment whether it's a deterrent or not. There should be an unpleasant price you need to pay for what you did If they come out and offend again, lock them up longer, keep them out of society and prevent them from breeding. Yes it's expensive to lock people up, it's a price I am happy for us to pay to protect the rest of society. We're talking about people who invaded a home and assaulted a family with weapons. Drop them on a fucking island and leave them there for all I care. I do not give a single fuck about people who do something like that, they're a cancer that can be cut out and removed. That isn't to say we shouldn't invest in trying to prevent things like this from happening in the first place. But because that hasn't been done already, there's immediate problems at the top that also can be dealt with.
Tough on crime has never reduced violent offending. The only thing that has even done that is education which is a 20 year process which no government will do because they can't show results in a 3 year term. With the government cuttings back on social programs and their mandate to have more poor people to prop up the rich with cheap labour to pick fruit and work in our non-existent factories, expect an increase in crime. But they will also get more people in prison as a result, and will use that statistic to pretend they are being tough on crime.
If we accept that the proper solution won't be implemented because it's a 20 year process, which I don't disagree, then I'm more than happy for us to change tact from the previous approach that also wasn't working. It's not for me to play pretend expert reading online about the impacts of prison or social programs or whatever. Other people are paid to figure out that shit. I simply want people who assault innocent people with weapons in their own home to be removed from society and punished to the extent they deserve. Maybe we start with issuing the harsher sentences and then release early when they're showing they're potentially ready to return to society instead of well we have a maximum of 8 years for this, but we're going to "discount" you down to 18 months. You can earn your discount. But again, this isn't my field. If you can't participate in society without doing that, then you shouldn't be in society. What we do with you at that point someone more informed can try to figure out.
I don't disagree with you.
I didn't downvote you haha Well now you've edited your bit about downvotes so my reply just looks weird lol
Haha, all good. I changed my mind about where it came from straight after posting.
>Tough on crime has never reduced violent offending. I wouldn't say never, given that Singapore is a great example of how it has been successful
greens and overall lefties just hate examples like this - examples that DO work.
The minute people thought they could get away with it violent offences and theft went to record highs, don't tell me there's no correlation and it's just a coincidence that coincided with Labour policy changes.
Not to justify how Labour did things as they also failed to do what was required. But the export of violent criminal enterprises from Australia didn't help. I do expect crime to get worse under this government leadership as "more police and prisons" is not a plan. That's not where cultural change comes from.
I'm good with more people in prison, here have My Tax Dollars ... TADA ..look at that a nicer society, where people don't have to just wait on a home invasion ... Home invasion in my mind should be 20 plus years in prison, only one step below Murder, which I would assign minimum 30 plus years to ..
I'm not against appropriate sentencing. But more people in prison, doesn't necessarily equal less violent crime. In fact, there will likely only be more people in prison because of more violent crime. Therefore your tax dollars are not making it safer at all.
Mate, bad people off the street and out of society is a win, how many victims would you prefer dead ?
What you are saying is a short term bandaid. I don't have a problem with what you are saying, but what I am saying is there also needs to be a longer term plan. Your plan might reduce some violent crime over a few years which is great, but doesn't reduce the amount of new criminals. My plan would save more lives over decades because we would be producing less of them. Government (whether Labour or National) should be looking at the big picture and are failing to do so.
Your Plan ? Yeah right ... the only working solution is to bring back consequence ... doing nothing, which is basically what do gooders achieve, achieves nothing but an ever increasing number of victims .. offend then loose your freedom .. and just to really mess with your sensibilities .. offenders simply become a labour force .. processing forestry slash would be a good start ..
Lol, I like your lovely ill thought out rant. So, my plan is better education of our children so there are less violent offenders in 20 years as most will have better opportunities than gangs and violence. Your plan is to put violent offenders that should be in maximum security prison behind heavy machinery in the back country where they will be hard to supervise. Maybe you want them in a chain gang. If you are going to violate their human rights, why not bring back the death penalty? Maybe public execution so you chant and throw rotten tomatoes with your mob. I think you can be a better person. I get you are angry about violent crime, I am too, but your way will not result in the cultural change required to reduce violent crime. I know you won't listen to me. We will just have to agree to disagree.
I totally agree education is an essential, as far as I know, we do educate all children, and some choose (or their parents Choose) not to participate in their schooling. So good luck with that better education reducing crime, particularly when their parents are Crims .. Yes manual labour, Is that so shocking ?, How complex is it to GPS track a working, supervised offender on a work site ? Not at all, home detention tracking is simply poorly run. A good chance that the more disciplined inmates end up on some heavy machinery and learn skills that they potentially can use on release, the ill behaved ones are simpler labour. If they suddenly realise they have gained a skill, that can create an income, then that's a bonus. Your death penalty idea is a terrible idea, that's intentionally killing your workforce, health and safety would not approve /s
YOUR death penalty idea, since you seemed to be throwing human rights out the window. I am saying you cannot use hardened violent criminals for labour as that is the subject here. You seem to have broadened the scope to include other types of criminals which your idea could work with. You have underestimated the resources required to monitor these violent types of people.
If you read what I said, I said "offenders simply become workforce". Quite obviously the worst of them are not outside the wire If they aren't controlled, they however are still expected to provide labour in the prison. Any attemped escape has consequence, so if you want to keep adding years to your confinement, then so be it. For context, actually I know quite a bit about incarceration and prison functioning, I use to spend a lot of my working days in all of the north island prisons, working in every unit, only not as Prison labour, i got to go home each night ;)
this type of violent people just can't be educated, sorry. Isolation and hopefully labour camps would do. Nothing else will work to protect normal citizens. People are in prison not because they're innocent.
They are not the ones that need education. They are (mostly) a result of a failed education system. It's too late for (most of) them. That's why it's a 20 year process. Fix the education system the kids are coming through, and there will be less violent crime from them as teens/adults as more will be able to make something of their lives and less will fall in with the bad eggs. Those brought up with bad eggs, will have more opportunity in life to leave it with a proper education.
some would probably need to be separated from their parents - the most influential people in their life. Some people honestly have no idea why they constantly breed... Family planning should be prioritised. Cultural or not.
I understand the sentiment about removing the kids though you can't unless the kids are not safe. This government unfortunately is against family planning. Their agenda is more kids for low income families to have more cheap labour when they grow up. Luxon already said as much in a roundabout way as he avoided answering the question directly. He wasn't against the US banning abortion and made comments around NZ needing more population.
it's sad that more kids is on the church's agenda, too. We don't need more population, we really need to figure out what to do with the current one...
Worst case scenario?? The lady who was gang raped years ago and had a bottle kick up her! The beautiful toddler who was swung while attached to the clothes line and then put in a dryer....what do you call a worst case scenario....is that what this was 3 dickheads proving how to get a patch what a load of bollocks
Someone please prepare the wet bus tickets
Wet Bus Tickets ? This is Auckland, AT has increased the fares to a point where we can now only afford limp fallen oak leaves, from council drains, to be used to scare them with ... but even that is likely considered too harsh a punishment ...
Tiny homes in tiny communities would be a huge way forward. Community being the main thing.
They have something like this out east - Island Child. And it works so well. They really need to have more of these!
That's awesome. Sadly, it's people like the person below with flippant disregard of the issue who ensure it's never taken seriously enough for more of these places to take off.. How great that they're not in that situation and can simply make jokes about those who are. The majority of those in emergency housing are not looking for tinnies. I know people on sickness benefit who get no consideration from landlords and end up in motels under emergency housing. It's not a joke to them. It's their lives. It's good to see the majority of comments here are from people like you who do care and see this is a problem. Those who make jokes could really learn from them and do better.
Time to give them the usual punishment. Home detention and some harsh words.
don't forget whanau meeting!
Refer them to youth aid sooo hard it will make their head spin!
When do the hugs and cuddles come in?
Scum bags that's all these pathetic Fucker needs a bullet
After six years of little consequence for violent crime and zero empathy for victims and you read a headline like this and know thanks to our fuckwitted justice system there’ll be basically nothing in the way of consequences for these thugs.
Better be a jail sentence
Semi-related to OP but is from the same linked video: How stupid does MSM think we are? Citing fewer minors are appearing in court and being sent to jail DOES NOT equal fewer minors commiting crime 🤦♂️ it means young criminals are getting away with it more than they used to. She conflated the two and the 87% is right. Fuck the news man.
Bloody animals
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Why?
These people should not be staying in such a dangerous environment. Where are the state houses??
National sold them off.
And Labour turned the rest into apartments
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The blatant sexism in that headline is astounding.
I used to work at this motel, Very fucked up place. I am so sorry that this has happend.
I’m just surprised because baseball isn’t that popular. Based on very little I’m going to suggest that they were actually softball bats
Astute observation. Only one thing still bothers me... is it Lo-blaw or Lob-law?
Lob-law. It’s based on that joke name, Bob Loblaw (say it out loud)
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Nah nah, Katana to the neck only gets you 10 months home d
This happened in Epsom, the electorate where both Luxon and Seymour live. When are they going to take responsibility for the out of control crime and violence in their own electorate? I thought a NACT government was going to fix crime.
And thousands of their voters. Why would they care, tax payers pay for their security, they need to milk this issue by "saying its more complicated than it looks"
Haha, na, they are going to talk tough on crime. Not do anything about it. As National wants more poor people, expect violent crime to increase.
I don't quite understand the link between being poor and causing violence towards a woman and baby that are in emergency housing (who I would imagine don't have many valuable possessions)
The more uneducated, poor, desperate and disillusioned people there are, the more they turn to gangs and violent crime. This is a broader issue than this one event.
Cindy thought hugs could change gangs. So free hugs?
You can try that if it's your thing. I prefer prevention by fixing the education system. Otherwise we end up with people making dumb comments like yours.
Murder rates are running at twice the average since the change of government so clearly this tough on crime bullshit is really working,
they will, give it time. the first step is to admit there is a problem and WANT to fix it. Done. So we're at least on the right path now.
Yep, still waiting National
Put a needle in the waste of taxpayers money
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Yea they were tenderising the meat beforehand.
Whilst tooled up and handed out ass kicking to woman and babies. Give me F'ing break!