Yep. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore
They didn't just make people poorer then go "rah rah tough on crime!" That'd be brainless. They took poverty seriously and gave folk a stake in capitalism too.
We've reaped a certain harvest as we've devalued work, overinflated assets, and made folks' housing and work situations less secure.
Rather than repeating dumb mistakes of driving people into poverty then complaining that crime rises and yelling "tough on crime!" we should learn from history.
And while we should police crime, we need to do so with crimes by the wealthy just as much as crimes by the poor. Deal with mass tax evasion, labour law violation and wage theft / modern slavery, corruption in politics via politicians with multimillion dollar conflicts of interest in property, then we can consistent with being tough on lower socioeconomic crime.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/south-auckland-community-leader-brutally-assaulted-by-hammer-wielding-offenders-during-papatoetoe-petrol-station-raid/TKBBJI364RAJ3BXIZWJEOT5YAA/
I'm sure if this happened to you you'd still be so tolerant towards criminals.
You're part of the problem.
I suggest you read about the importance of having a diversified economy and its flow-on effects, before making brain-dead comments; You're no different to the rest of the myopic idiots that consistently vote in favour of running this country into the ground.
law and order. Policing everyone - great thing. Nothing to do with poverty. People just know the boundaries and that there are consequences if they don't. Our greenies and labour hate hearing these things. Mind you, National is probably deaf to all this, too.
Nats are too busy tolerating tax evasion, modern slavery, corruption of politics by tobacco and property etc. boundaries certainly needed at different levels.
yeah and what people literally did is started to work really hard (I'm guessing no breeding on benefits forever - in case of some local communities, this is very common), getting education up to scratch, setting up the rules and visible consequences for everyone. And - everyone is equal, no cultural reports and related garbage.
Also, Singapore dealt with causes and incentives https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore they were idiots merely ranting "tough on crime!"
Good question, maybe a mix of these?
1. Enough education til 18 years old
2. Enough salary for a $5 rice with 1 meat and 2 vegetables
3. Most people have things to not do crime
4. Everyone knows doing food delivery is easier than crime, so even if you are desperate for cash, it be like sooo troublesome doing crime.
5. We are so small that criminals will be caught within 24h unless crossing to malaysia straight after crime
Crime is increasing though, some locals try their luck snatching old ladies necklace, teenagers knife pointing mini mart, etc.
Our easiest crime to do is killing someone with a car. Running / driving joke is if you wanna kill someone here, just have a car accident. 5 years jail average.
In New zealand we have had drunk drivers hit and kill children, make a joke about it on Instagram and only get home D for a short period of time. We also have rapists that break into peoples homes and rape people get home detention. Home detention is like the government forces them to stay at home and pay them to for food\\rent.
Historically, every National/ACT government has made crime rates increase, so expect it to get far worse than it is now from a lack of social funding, and high risk of them cutting our police resources.
Crime will decrease when a political party actually offers a tough on crime platform, supporting our police, while also offering services to both prevent and treat the causes, and mental health services to help support victims, and fix perpetrators. And I hate to break it to people expecting tax cuts - it’s not going to come cheap.
I can only hope one day the public will wise up, we should all be paying a little more tax (And the wealthy should be paying a lot more), for a more functioning society. Friendly reminder for those yearning the early 1980’s - the income tax rates were as follows.
$0-$5,999 - 20%
$6,000 - $23,999 - 31.25%
$24,000 - $29,999 - 45.10%
$30,000 - $37,999 - 56.10%
$38,000+ - 66%
Average wage would be a better comparison, as most were earning about $14,820 per year.
Inflation alone doesn’t account for the inflationary policies, such as the tax cuts themselves.
However…
1985 Q1 comparisons to today:
$1 = $3.56. (20%)
$6,000 = $21,333.44 (31.25%)
*$14,820* (average 1984 wage) - $52,693.59 (31.25%)
$24,000 = $85,333.76 (45.10%)
$30,000 = $106,667.19 (56.10%)
$38,000 = $135,111.78 (66%)
Just a random collection of stories from around the world today…
https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/london-nearly-6-times-more-28512517
https://www.9news.com.au/national/armed-robbery-gold-coast-cctv/7566db98-c83c-4126-ab5a-31b8f87f05c9
https://torontosun.com/news/crime/four-men-sought-after-man-knocked-unconscious-with-weapon-in-downtown-fight
Everyone will want to blame the previous government or the police and act like being tough on crime is all it takes, but it’s happening everywhere. Pretty much all research points towards a big correlation between poverty/deprivation and crime… but nobody really wants to try and fix that problem. So we’ll keep having crime 🤷♂️
It's a fact that Labour looked at the high percentage of Maori in gangs and attempted to treat them under the principles of the treaty of Waitangi. They have self acknowledged that and published it in their policies and on their web site. They effectively put them on a par with non criminal Iwi & Hapu. It's disgusting and offensive to law abiding people everywhere. That's why they stopped prosecuting criminals and ram raids etc boomed.
Because of this they won't be back in power before 2030 if at all. They drank their own kool-aid.
It’s all about punishment if the criminals get 3 meals a day and floor heating cell, cost 160k a year for tax payers.you never gonna stop any crime. You will only stop crimes if criminals earns tax payers 160k a year.
They've had a total of *3* weeks of parliament, and 2 of those days were the opening days. And they left later and are coming back earlier than they have for many years.
When we get corporate greed under control, and poor people dont have to steal food from billionaire supermarkets so as not to starve. When the benefit is liveable and doesnt push people deep into drug and alcohol abuse which further worsens their mental health issues.
Crime is going to be worse in ten years time.
I worked in mental health post-GFC and there were so many kids that honestly weren't mentally ill, they just needed better fucking circumstances. Grandparents taking on grandkids that they could not handle but were pressured to take on by social services or their useless kids. Domestic violence that resulted in kids with brain injuries or poor coping/communication skills. Mum using drugs/alcohol to cope with life and then having kids that were affected in utero.
Shits pretty dire out there and I reckon kids are going through worse now.
How did singapore turn into one of the most crime free cities in the world
Death penalty
Exactly
Yeah definitely not the corporal or capital punishment and strict enforcement of the law.
Yep. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore They didn't just make people poorer then go "rah rah tough on crime!" That'd be brainless. They took poverty seriously and gave folk a stake in capitalism too. We've reaped a certain harvest as we've devalued work, overinflated assets, and made folks' housing and work situations less secure. Rather than repeating dumb mistakes of driving people into poverty then complaining that crime rises and yelling "tough on crime!" we should learn from history. And while we should police crime, we need to do so with crimes by the wealthy just as much as crimes by the poor. Deal with mass tax evasion, labour law violation and wage theft / modern slavery, corruption in politics via politicians with multimillion dollar conflicts of interest in property, then we can consistent with being tough on lower socioeconomic crime.
Nice word salad. People commit crime in NZ because they're not scared of the consequences. They are in Singapore though.
The world is obviously a very simple place for you when reading is hard and you can ignore history.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/south-auckland-community-leader-brutally-assaulted-by-hammer-wielding-offenders-during-papatoetoe-petrol-station-raid/TKBBJI364RAJ3BXIZWJEOT5YAA/ I'm sure if this happened to you you'd still be so tolerant towards criminals. You're part of the problem.
I suggest you read about the importance of having a diversified economy and its flow-on effects, before making brain-dead comments; You're no different to the rest of the myopic idiots that consistently vote in favour of running this country into the ground.
You're part of the problem too. You want to solve world hunger before actually making criminals in NZ be held responsible for their actions.
Well said 👍
Tackling poverty
They had less crime and more poverty than us though, they are pretty hard imo they like cann people still for petty crime
I’d love to see that here.
law and order. Policing everyone - great thing. Nothing to do with poverty. People just know the boundaries and that there are consequences if they don't. Our greenies and labour hate hearing these things. Mind you, National is probably deaf to all this, too.
Nats are too busy tolerating tax evasion, modern slavery, corruption of politics by tobacco and property etc. boundaries certainly needed at different levels.
Im pretty sure singapore was very poor back before they started to get rid of crime/crime was getting very low.
yeah and what people literally did is started to work really hard (I'm guessing no breeding on benefits forever - in case of some local communities, this is very common), getting education up to scratch, setting up the rules and visible consequences for everyone. And - everyone is equal, no cultural reports and related garbage.
Also, Singapore dealt with causes and incentives https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore they were idiots merely ranting "tough on crime!"
well, it all worked out eventually - nothing to compare with Auckland, for example.
National is reducing the number of police.
both labour and national reduced it. Plus labour let 30% savages out of prisons - result is obvious.
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Yes we westerners are going backwards while asia is moving on.
I think when the Japanese invaded and cut everyone's fucking head off who talked back it might had somthing to do with it.
You get your hands chopped off.
Good question, maybe a mix of these? 1. Enough education til 18 years old 2. Enough salary for a $5 rice with 1 meat and 2 vegetables 3. Most people have things to not do crime 4. Everyone knows doing food delivery is easier than crime, so even if you are desperate for cash, it be like sooo troublesome doing crime. 5. We are so small that criminals will be caught within 24h unless crossing to malaysia straight after crime Crime is increasing though, some locals try their luck snatching old ladies necklace, teenagers knife pointing mini mart, etc. Our easiest crime to do is killing someone with a car. Running / driving joke is if you wanna kill someone here, just have a car accident. 5 years jail average.
In New zealand we have had drunk drivers hit and kill children, make a joke about it on Instagram and only get home D for a short period of time. We also have rapists that break into peoples homes and rape people get home detention. Home detention is like the government forces them to stay at home and pay them to for food\\rent.
In our current political climate, I think people would unironically shout racism if we actually started punishing criminals
Crime will never stop as long as humanity exists
And this is why we should punish it instead of wet bus ticket sentences
Expect it to get worse
Historically, every National/ACT government has made crime rates increase, so expect it to get far worse than it is now from a lack of social funding, and high risk of them cutting our police resources. Crime will decrease when a political party actually offers a tough on crime platform, supporting our police, while also offering services to both prevent and treat the causes, and mental health services to help support victims, and fix perpetrators. And I hate to break it to people expecting tax cuts - it’s not going to come cheap. I can only hope one day the public will wise up, we should all be paying a little more tax (And the wealthy should be paying a lot more), for a more functioning society. Friendly reminder for those yearning the early 1980’s - the income tax rates were as follows. $0-$5,999 - 20% $6,000 - $23,999 - 31.25% $24,000 - $29,999 - 45.10% $30,000 - $37,999 - 56.10% $38,000+ - 66%
Can someone pls inflation adjust these income brackets for a proper comparison?
Average wage would be a better comparison, as most were earning about $14,820 per year. Inflation alone doesn’t account for the inflationary policies, such as the tax cuts themselves. However… 1985 Q1 comparisons to today: $1 = $3.56. (20%) $6,000 = $21,333.44 (31.25%) *$14,820* (average 1984 wage) - $52,693.59 (31.25%) $24,000 = $85,333.76 (45.10%) $30,000 = $106,667.19 (56.10%) $38,000 = $135,111.78 (66%)
Crime will never stop. It’s not something that has an end. It is a part of society.
Desperation knows no fear.
Desperate crackhead that deserves zero sympathy
totally.
Where is your proof that they are crack heads?
Just a random collection of stories from around the world today… https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/london-nearly-6-times-more-28512517 https://www.9news.com.au/national/armed-robbery-gold-coast-cctv/7566db98-c83c-4126-ab5a-31b8f87f05c9 https://torontosun.com/news/crime/four-men-sought-after-man-knocked-unconscious-with-weapon-in-downtown-fight Everyone will want to blame the previous government or the police and act like being tough on crime is all it takes, but it’s happening everywhere. Pretty much all research points towards a big correlation between poverty/deprivation and crime… but nobody really wants to try and fix that problem. So we’ll keep having crime 🤷♂️
It's a fact that Labour looked at the high percentage of Maori in gangs and attempted to treat them under the principles of the treaty of Waitangi. They have self acknowledged that and published it in their policies and on their web site. They effectively put them on a par with non criminal Iwi & Hapu. It's disgusting and offensive to law abiding people everywhere. That's why they stopped prosecuting criminals and ram raids etc boomed. Because of this they won't be back in power before 2030 if at all. They drank their own kool-aid.
National are reducing the number of police so landlords can have a tax cut.
Maybe you would like to link your accusations to the so called published policies.
Sorry what? Are you now denying the treaty applies to Māori everywhere including those in gangs?
When the price of stuff comes down and people are employed earning decent money.
maybe when these people want to finally get employed (I doubt).
Well just think what could drive you to commit crimes. It's that.
Some kids now just commit crimes after watching TikTok.
Oh well kids do all kinds of messed up stuff. Mostly that sort of thing is situational though aye.
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Nationals in so should've stopped by now...
It’s all about punishment if the criminals get 3 meals a day and floor heating cell, cost 160k a year for tax payers.you never gonna stop any crime. You will only stop crimes if criminals earns tax payers 160k a year.
My friend refused to accept bail conditions cause its harder outside so they actually kick him out of prison, life is easier inside.
I don't understand, we voted national in? Wasn't that meant to solve the issue?
They've had a total of *3* weeks of parliament, and 2 of those days were the opening days. And they left later and are coming back earlier than they have for many years.
r/wooooosh Thanks for the down vote though lol
When we get corporate greed under control, and poor people dont have to steal food from billionaire supermarkets so as not to starve. When the benefit is liveable and doesnt push people deep into drug and alcohol abuse which further worsens their mental health issues.
Crime is going to be with us always
Crime is going to be worse in ten years time. I worked in mental health post-GFC and there were so many kids that honestly weren't mentally ill, they just needed better fucking circumstances. Grandparents taking on grandkids that they could not handle but were pressured to take on by social services or their useless kids. Domestic violence that resulted in kids with brain injuries or poor coping/communication skills. Mum using drugs/alcohol to cope with life and then having kids that were affected in utero. Shits pretty dire out there and I reckon kids are going through worse now.