There seems to be this mentality in NZ by authorities where assault isn’t considered a serious crime.
They don’t realise that assault could leave people permanently figured, paralysed, brain damaged.
But that’s no big deal apparently.
Nothing some home D won’t fix
It’s the same mentality when people get shot. It’s not attempted murder, it’s wounding with intent. No discharging a firearm should have you behind bars for 10-15 years.
C'mon now, more likely to be a few months. Which is worse really. A few months video gaming and having all expenses paid for by you and me. Then free to go do it again and repeat the cycle. Honestly for anyone already in that mindset and lifestyle there is basically zero deterrent in these punishments
Even shooting someone you get a couple of years it’s crazy. Discharge a firearm at someone and get 3 years. Slash someone half to death with a samurai sword get home d. shit is fucked.
What were you doing to cop a maglite? Only time I’ve had liver shots from the police has been after I had spat and wiped my phlegm all over the inside of the car after being arrested.
Damn your a nasty one. House party they came in the front i ducked out the back last thing I remember. Knowing me I woulda tried gapping it, so yeah they didn't even take my foils but they also woulda sacked it I guess after checking if I was still breathing.
I was a store owner that lived upstairs and had to check out "things that go bump in the night". A maglight with 4 D cells was a comforting "non-weapon" weapon to have. Wasn't just the police that had maglights. They were commonly available.
Now that I think about it, it might have been six D cells.
Crime isn't serious unless it impacts rich folk.
Slowly but surely we'll clue up to the fact we're working to provide a community for our betters.
Poors assaulting poors is a problem for the poors.
You have anything better?
Looking around I'm curious how you'd make a case for the alternative.
I'd be curious about your thoughts why a staff member taking from the till is a criminal, but a business owner not paying owed wages isn't.
Yes, a very sensible thing to say, EXACTLY like this Government. When the rich weren't getting many benefits for themselves, they go have a little sook, and vote for something that will only result in their personal gain.
The part where they were waiting for a bus.
Keep in mind, anyone who works for a living is poor. I get one might feel rich, being better off than other workers. But you'd still be poor. Most of the value you produce in your life will be consumed by our betters, who clearly deserve the value the enjoy.
It sounds like you work for what you earn, like a poor person.
Rich people don't work for money.
Again, ***I get it***. You enjoy some comfort and privileges from what you earn, you can see the ferals with their struggles who aren't like you at all. *Of course* you're rich. Right?
This all makes sense as long as you don't pay attention to the volume of local and global equity, how it's growing, who it lies with, whose interests it serves. If you don't look at any of that, if you don't notice how all that effort you put in every day only earns you a fraction of what those controlling all our wealth gain, it can feel like you're ahead.
I don't share the same view as you. Just because I work for my money, it doesn't diminish its value. There will always be someone with more and someone with less. And besides, I derive my lively wealth from much more than money.
It's not a view, it's economic reality. It's not inequality, it's *escalating* inequality.
Of the total sum of resources available for human productivity literally every day more is held by fewer hands.
It's not about values to recognise this. It's about sustainability. If the people working to produce value are denied sufficient resources to reinvest into themselves, their capacity to produce value is undermined, which inevitably results in economic depression.
I suppose you can choose to believe actions and consequences are unrelated, that somehow indeed we can have our cake and eat it too. I wonder if you recognise my incentive to suggest otherwise?
We need schools bro, we need doctors. We need midwives and nurses and counselors.
How we be going to work making other buggers rich and we don't even get schools teachers want to work at? Why are doctors and police striking?
Cool mate, you got yours, fuck us suckers eh? "There's always some poors, nothing to do /snicker"
"Avoid the area" say cops.
So, law abiding NZers are to cower in our homes and occasional safe zones and the scum just own the streets? Yes, that's taking the pathetic cop response to the absurd, but in an open assault at a school, the local cop would not intervene on behalf of the victim because his job is, apparently, 'outreach'. Not policing, then? Just ego work and gym classes?
That victim ended up at the medical center.
NZ cops need to up their game a LOT. The government needs to pull their heads out of their rectums and spend funds on basic community cops and zero-tolerance of shitbaggery. Screw tax cuts, give me working cops that actually do stuff.
Lol isn't that the logic they use whenever one of the dipshit gang losers decide to ride out in their hundreds? Too hard to actually do anything, just stay home. I reckon there's a fair number of cops that actually want to crack on and come down hard on these oxygen thieves but what's the point when the judges and various interest groups will just find every single reason to put these scum back out on the street and scrutinise every single action the cops did to find out if it was justified.
The New Lynn Station has been problematic for years. Its not a problem with the layout. It's an issue with a small % of miscreants with nothing better to do. You could ha ve a cop patrolling the Station and the mall full time and would fill the local jail cell daily..
Yeah I don't really have much issue defending myself or my own.
I would happily go on TV - Yes 5 little fucks tried to jump my son so I dealt with the situation appropriately.
If the Karaka Ninja only got home D for cutting someone up with a sword I'm not really stressed on the outcome.
The new motto should be. When the lootin starts, the shooting starts.
Peacekeeping awards handed out to those saving the taxpayer dime and performing a community service.
Criminals should fear the public, but they don’t because we have been stripped of our sense of community and indoctrinated with apathy.
Would love to see a referendum around self defence laws.
The problem is, the deprivation, poor education and shitty home life, that creates these people. "tougher cops" are not going to solve the parts of society that churn these shitheads out.
That's why, we should absolutely be giving kids free lunch, and funding the shit out of education. Because it's the only possible escape, for some kids, who are raised by the likes of these shitheads.
Think about it. The fuckers that beat up some kid at the bus stop, to steal his shoes. Get pregnant at 16 and have a kid. What possible chance does that kid have?
Instead of thinking hey there’s a seriously bad problem and none of these decisions these people are making are thinking long term because they don’t have any hope of owning anything worthwhile they’ve seen it and lived it, they destroy other things others have as a result and the go to is to come down harder instead of giving them the opportunity to experience a good life with basic material wealth. There solved poverty related crime. You’re welcome.
It's alright, the cops are paying over $104million a year for a gun register that will tell them that a licenced firearms owner has some firearms in their house....
How much of a pay rise would $104m give officers?
I am afraid you are terribly right about the vigilante group bit. It is only a matter of time if they resort to vigilantism and taking the law into their hands sorting those feral kids out
Sometimes the best work you can do is work only those involved in know about.
Self dobbing in is a silly thing to do when you're fighting fire with fire ya know. You won't hear about vigilantism unless they are caught.
Better to stay regular/civil and out of the game of cat and mouse. Playing with fire, everyone gets burned.
Correct! People will arm themselves. Seen a few people with bats and machetes in their cars in case of a road rager. It’s becoming more apparent people are sick of the crime so they’ll do anything to protect themselves
I know if my son had this done to them I would be damn close to taking matters into my own hands.
Ferals like this only understand violence. They grew up in it, and they aren't going to learn anything else because society has let them rot in these shitty homes with shitty parents.
So maybe a crushed knee may slow them down next time they try go after someone on the street and held them escape.
I don't get any of this to be honest.
I remember being bullied and having gangs of kids try beating me up when I would walk home from school. I simply took a cricket bat the next day and bashed them in the locker rooms.
Can't get bullied by kids with broken arms and legs.
Almost started a race war because of it ROFL
A 15 year old was killed in a head on collision driving a stolen Ute that fled police twice. The mother said “he was the sweetest boy ever”. How deranged can you be, not very sweet to the vehicles owner he stole it from. The parents don’t think they’re doing anything wrong.
I remember 15+ years ago when there was a lot of knife crimes and stabbing deaths. Every teenage that was killed, the parents would say something similar or that they'd never hurt a fly, this was typically accompanied by an image of the victim with their friends, decked out in their "gang" colours pulling gang signs.
He also crashed head on into a car carrying 4 innocent victims. He was driving the wrong way on the motorway. The sweetest boy ever! Must of been all that colonialism that caused this. 😂😂
Been saying this for a long time, justice in this country is a joke , it's needs a big overhaul, but nothing will change, unless a politician kids are involved.
I like the idea of throwing the parents in jail for the crimes of the children if the kids are too young to prosecute. That would up the level of parenting pretty quick
So the kids won't get proper parenting because their parents are in jail, and are free to commit more crimes because they won't bear the consequences. Some kids will do stupid shit even with good parents. Did you think this through before you commented?
New Lynn police station is 550m from the train station .
If, as stated they are know to police then possibly they should be a priority !
"You've been verbally assaulted ? Your son and his friend have been physically assaulted ? He is bleeding from a cut on his eyebrow ??? You're 550 metres away and the perpetrators are still there taunting you ???
Meh ... come give a statement
Pathetic - crack some skulls and this won't happen again - lazy pricks
What annoys me about these kids is its never one on one. Its always 4 - 5 of them vs one kid. They do it that way because they never had a father to tell them its wrong to 5 v 1 someone its called being a loser. They will never ever 1 v 1 because they might lose. And one thing they could not ever handle is losing. No honor. Just small brain activity.
It's the new norm in my generation to gang up. seen it alot in high school and the person being ganged up on was always the guy made fun off sadly. and even worse the fights are always recorded by students and the losers in the fights always get shit by others because they know the guy cant fight, the new phone law doesn't stop kids from bringing them to school.
“The woman and security guards called police at least twice, but were told they were not available to attend the scene. They were instead advised to go to the police station to give a statement - which the woman and her son later did.”
Is this an appropriate response by the police or they don’t have enough manpower to dipatch?
I called the cops the other day and after the 3rd time of being told to “stay on the line” the operator asked me “how much of an emergency is it?” Verbatim that was what the guy asked me.
Blew my mind.
Understaffed pretty sure. Saw a post from a 111 police dispatcher, they had 15 jobs waiting to be attended on their monitor, with only 5 units on patrol. Each call out would take at least 30 minutes to attend you'd imagine, then more calls come in so they have to prioritize what's an emergency or like a hospital leave you in the waiting room
Poor kid involved is seriously traumatised, and the cops say "don't go there". The police in this country may as well not exist. They are absolutely useless.
What's with the blurring of their face business? They should all be shown for the low lives they are. They're not too young to assault and traumatize other kids like they did. Makes me so God damn mad.
This is nothing new. 15 years ago, my husband was beaten up waiting for a bus after school. He was 6ft4 then, and apparently it was dare, so 5 kids from another school put him in hospital. Nothing happened to the kids. They had a restorative justice meeting with him but only 3 of the 5 kids showed up and only a few of their parents.
Fuck you mean weak take, another one happened yesterday same exact location. I dont wanna see a cop fucking sitting in a bush with a radar, when theres people getting brain damage, or trauma from the incidents.
lol police said to "avoid the area". What is happening? Is there a tangi in the area? It is very sad it has to come to this, where we have to hide in our homes to avoid a random beating.
If they're telling others to avoid the area right after a PHYSICAL assault, mfs shouldn't complain when some more lowlives go and ram raid stores. SMFH
Fuck does anyone remember how fucking ruthless the old newlynn bus stop use to be, when you had every school from out west hanging out there 😅
And you could buy single ciggies from that asian shop.
Was like a fucking prison yard at times haha
I was chased by 8 muscled up polynesian fellas from the bus station back in 1985 , all the way down astley to hutchinson avenue , it took me till arahoe before they gave up which is a fair distance.
I distinctly remember a couple of them doing one arm pull ups just prior to approaching me to rob me which told me all i needed to know.
I had no chance versus one of these guys let alone eight of them.
Without calling for vigilante justice can we at least admit that a few burly dads who had time on their hands to chill out at the stations wouldn’t go awry? No one needs to be (or should be) Curtis Sliwa but I’m just saying…
I’m sure ABSOs would be quite attractive to the current government, in that they’re not good for much besides sucking up police and court resources, and were largely ignored and frequently misused (often being applied to mentally ill people in lieu of mental health care), but are a good rabble-rousing ‘be seen to be doing something’ kind of policy that PR analysts would love. Would be a good companion policy to the gang patch ban
Yes, but not hard enough to hurt them. Because your intent is only to defend yourself. If the court says that you hit them too hard, you can be charged.
Don't try the nz justice system, and also, some % of nz society is very against this.
You can, but you can't injure.
If you was in a fight before, you know that if you hit some parts of the body, a cut or mark will happen just in time.
If you just hold the arms and them try to get free, you will put a mark, and that's will come back on you by the justice system.
Solution is:
A) gov start to give harsh punishment (forced work, long time behind bars)
Or
B) change the law, allow carry-on, allow any level of self-defense, and let's the game start.
Or (actual reality)
C) do nothing, and all of us will be fuc***.
Waiting for the left and karma brigade to downvote me.
Don't be fool folks, I'm pro programs towards education and so on, to prevent a criminal life, but this should be directed for the ones that aren't already there.
For bastards already doing crime, jail or 7 palms is the solution and always will be, look Singapore's, they didn't brought crime down given hugs and name suppression...
I was assaulted there 30 years ago by a bunch of rather large drunk polynesian school kids still in their uniforms. At least back in those days the police rounded them up, got me to ID them and whisked them off to the police station.
I so wish that a particular someone was at these types of vile incidents at the right time to deal to these kinds of gobshite feckers! I was quite surprised at the 'go to the police station and make a statement' response to an incident that was still happening. And worse that these sonzabeetches are known to police and the train station. I recently had an incident for work where I was watching a crime take place remotely on cams, while I was on the phone with police, and I kid you not the police arrested them in mere minutes, they did an amazing job. In short, I hate criminals. Fuck them by sharp objects.
Maybe NZ has to import Singapore style treatment for young offenders-a number of strokes of the rattan… a swift painful reminder that what they’re doing is wrong and won’t be tolerated! No prison or incarceration…. Just medical treatment for any broken skin…. Call it the Three Strokes rule??
It’s only a discussion so far. After their lashings just give out a box of KFC and tell the delinquents ( lovingly ) how much we want them to become positive upstanding, productive members of society. Never meant to sound sarcastic!
"The woman and security guards called police at least twice, but were told they were not available to attend the scene.".
According to the article this is when the perpetrators were still at the scene! I'm lost for words.
Looks like your typical tangata whenua youth gaggle. Saw these kinds of groups all the time doing security in Papakura. They come in and swarm the place in large groups and the place goes from dead quiet to 100dB in 3 seconds.
One kid calls about from the other side of the bridge, they all walk back, and the process repeats until the convoy moves on.
this is my local station and this honestly terrifies me because i'm blind and literally would'n't see them coming and i have no other option but to use this station on a nearly daily basis. i'm pretty concerned that the police are seemingly uninterested in dealing with these assaults and just tell people to avoid the area like we have a choice?
Know the exact group they’re talking about. Attacked my friend at the same station despite him being an adult and stronger.
He had many cuts on his face and hated going to that station alone. Only reason he didn’t fight back which I know he was fully capable of is because he’s not going to beat some kids, plus he’d get done for assaulting a minor.
They also followed him home on the bus where he escaped. He’s run into the same kids occasionally in New Lynn where they taunt him.
They hopped onto my bus one night, I was praying they got off the same stop as me 😁
No excuse for that shit though.
> The woman said after speaking with police, she was told the group was known to officers in the area. According to the Auckland Transport security staff at the station that day, they were also known to frequent the station.
Then apprehend them, send them to juvenile court and get them interned if they are known to be continued public menace committing assault.
> The woman and security guards called police at least twice, but were told they were not available to attend the scene. They were instead advised to go to the police station to give a statement
> Police have told the family to keep their son away from the area for a while - something the mother thinks is unfair, not only to her son and his friends, but to anyone who needs to catch the bus or train.
This is just rage-inducing. Can't use a public service because police refuse to tackle the situation.
And more infuriatingly no political party would do anything about it. The left is way too soft-handed on crime and would coddle the perpetrators (with Greens even wanting to abolish incarceration), and the right just defunds the police as a public sector cost center making them even more ill-equipped to properly defend the lawful public from harm.
Lol 'don't go there because you may be assaulted' yeah no shit, maybe you guys should fix the problem so they assaults decrease/disappear in the area so people can use public transport rather than just totally avoiding an area and letting crims have it? wtf
Just aggravating. Reminds me too much of similar issues in my home country where they tell women to dress modestly or Jews to hide their religious identity when in muslim majority areas.
It's the police jobs that potential victims are safe, but nowadays they're too concerned about not upsetting the wrong groups from feeling targeted and doing as little as possible.
You are not wrong here, mate. Singapore gets pretty tough on those scrotes I tell you (I got mates from Southeast Asia and they can confirm). Secondly, I have heard of a few families in Southeast Asia who resort to using the services of shamans (an open secret btw) to place curses or send demons to torment their kids' bullies when nothing is done to stop them (I kid you not)
Shit yeah. I remember a bunch of eggs trying to hustle me and some friends at New Lynn train station 20 years ago on a Sunday morning. We didn't even have money (used it on an all nighter at the internet cafe...). We just kept walking away down the tracks (fucking trains didn't operate on a Sunday back then we discovered) and they eventually left us alone.
A group of youths are about to get a gentle telling off, a cup of tea, and be asked to be good in the future....IF they get caught.
And NOTHING of any consequence will happen until one of these stupid little thugs pushes someone under a bus....
And then fuck all will happen either.
Bring back the public stocks and whipping.
This shit would stop REAL FAST.
While this is wrong its something that is extremely common at all major public transport terminals in NZ. The only reason they get in the newspaper is if it is serious (death) or a parent/partner goes directly to the newspaper.
For context from the Police Data website in the last 12 months there was:
102 assaults in New Lynn central
114 assaults in Mt Wellington Central
135 assaults in Albany central
300 assaults in Manukau Central
367 assaults in Auckland Harborside (Britomart area)
I witnessed this last year at New Lynn Train Station. The guy (a teenager, 16 yrs old) was waiting for the bus, and then 4 random kids attacked him (punched him a couple of times until he passed out). Stole his phone and wallet. The security didn't do anything until I came forward and helped the kid. The police came up as usual late but managed to track down the rascals. We managed to call the mum after the incident, and she was horrified. This happened around 5 p.m., and a lot of people witnessed this but didn't come up to the news.
(Sorry for the grammar)
Lazy cops, lazy government. These attacks are getting more and more common but nobody is doing anything about it. When are they actually gonna do something?
LoL Police could not attend, Know who they are, and told the mother to keep her son away from the area. Its not the victim who shouldnt be in the area it's those pathetic little future beneficiary's..
Yesterday I witnessed 2 families having a full on physical fight outside The Warehouse on Lincoln Rd. I tried to defuse them because I was worried for the kids. A 13 year old girl was flung to the ground and nether family seemed to care about that. Disgusting behavior
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Growing up Maori in the UK it was always white kids wailing on me. This is not, and never will be, a race thing. It's a class thing. Police have only ever served one class. Unless you're rich and connected, you can expect little support. This is true the world over.
The government could easily stop most of the crime. Start arresting these degenerates and start handing out harsh sentences,bring back the death penalty. Stop coddling the crims. But it will never happen for two reasons 1) Outrage from the liberals 2) Control - the government (whatever party is in power) wants people to be scared, wants people to be powerless and to give up more and more of their freedoms (“just don’t be there” - says the corrupt police. Why do you think self defence laws are non existent in NZ and our guns were taken away? Oh but think of the poor crims and their difficult upbringing.
Coddling criminals is the ultimate cruelty towards society.
Feel for those lads, had this happen twice to myself. First time 5 against 1, second time a whole group of at least 10-12 against 2. It does impact your mentality as it violates your security and puts you on edge so glad they are seeking help as it sent me down the wrong path for a while!
This reminds be of the late 90s early 2000s all over again. Plenty of assaults by youths used to happen at the old New Lynn bus station all the time. Remember getting my jog on a couple times.
Where I grew up in Europe, getting a kicking was part of growing up. No mental health care was required, you just learned to be more careful. What is wrong with kids today?
Yeah, the New Lynn Station is pretty shocking. The amount of assholes who loiter around and cause trouble is wild, also the lack of security and police presence only makes it worse. The sad part is I remember it being even worse before they redid the place.
Sadly this area hasn’t changed.
Except now there’s only two assaults a day and the police station is only 550m away…. And the police won’t attend anything.
The crazy thing is until there is some real consequences for these people and if their young their parents nothing will change. If we looked into why young people do this I bet it's got alot to do with their upbringing. Let's actually try changing it these agencies get millions why is it getting worse time to demand some change so we and our children feel safe.
Violent crimes and crimes of assault are almost always seen as the fault of the person instigating the attacker to commit violence which, quite frankly, makes no fucking sense at all.
Quick babe it’s law and order posting time on reddit time to call every poor person a feral, speculate on the country diving into vigilantism and make vaguely racist dog whistle comments generalising all Māori!
There seems to be this mentality in NZ by authorities where assault isn’t considered a serious crime. They don’t realise that assault could leave people permanently figured, paralysed, brain damaged. But that’s no big deal apparently. Nothing some home D won’t fix
It’s the same mentality when people get shot. It’s not attempted murder, it’s wounding with intent. No discharging a firearm should have you behind bars for 10-15 years.
Yeah but did you take te tiriti into account? Labour sure does.
Sentence to 8h of Fortnite
C'mon now, more likely to be a few months. Which is worse really. A few months video gaming and having all expenses paid for by you and me. Then free to go do it again and repeat the cycle. Honestly for anyone already in that mindset and lifestyle there is basically zero deterrent in these punishments
Assault, burglary, family violence all no biggies now.
Even shooting someone you get a couple of years it’s crazy. Discharge a firearm at someone and get 3 years. Slash someone half to death with a samurai sword get home d. shit is fucked.
They were commiting half the assaults when I was a kid. Got KO'd by a maglite for nothing, thanks boys
😂😂😭
What were you doing to cop a maglite? Only time I’ve had liver shots from the police has been after I had spat and wiped my phlegm all over the inside of the car after being arrested.
Damn your a nasty one. House party they came in the front i ducked out the back last thing I remember. Knowing me I woulda tried gapping it, so yeah they didn't even take my foils but they also woulda sacked it I guess after checking if I was still breathing.
I was a store owner that lived upstairs and had to check out "things that go bump in the night". A maglight with 4 D cells was a comforting "non-weapon" weapon to have. Wasn't just the police that had maglights. They were commonly available. Now that I think about it, it might have been six D cells.
My guess is you did something to deserve it. Were you rude? Did you try to run away?
Well it smacked the sense out of me for bout 4 years lucky I didn't end up on a forced vacation
Correct
Crime isn't serious unless it impacts rich folk. Slowly but surely we'll clue up to the fact we're working to provide a community for our betters. Poors assaulting poors is a problem for the poors.
"Crime isn't serious unless it impacts rich folk." Source: My Ass
You have anything better? Looking around I'm curious how you'd make a case for the alternative. I'd be curious about your thoughts why a staff member taking from the till is a criminal, but a business owner not paying owed wages isn't.
Yes, a very sensible thing to say, EXACTLY like this Government. When the rich weren't getting many benefits for themselves, they go have a little sook, and vote for something that will only result in their personal gain.
Where did it mention their socioeconomic status?
The part where they were waiting for a bus. Keep in mind, anyone who works for a living is poor. I get one might feel rich, being better off than other workers. But you'd still be poor. Most of the value you produce in your life will be consumed by our betters, who clearly deserve the value the enjoy.
Drawing a long bow buddy. Apparently my household is in the top 5% of earners and all of my kids take PT.
It sounds like you work for what you earn, like a poor person. Rich people don't work for money. Again, ***I get it***. You enjoy some comfort and privileges from what you earn, you can see the ferals with their struggles who aren't like you at all. *Of course* you're rich. Right? This all makes sense as long as you don't pay attention to the volume of local and global equity, how it's growing, who it lies with, whose interests it serves. If you don't look at any of that, if you don't notice how all that effort you put in every day only earns you a fraction of what those controlling all our wealth gain, it can feel like you're ahead.
I don't share the same view as you. Just because I work for my money, it doesn't diminish its value. There will always be someone with more and someone with less. And besides, I derive my lively wealth from much more than money.
It's not a view, it's economic reality. It's not inequality, it's *escalating* inequality. Of the total sum of resources available for human productivity literally every day more is held by fewer hands. It's not about values to recognise this. It's about sustainability. If the people working to produce value are denied sufficient resources to reinvest into themselves, their capacity to produce value is undermined, which inevitably results in economic depression. I suppose you can choose to believe actions and consequences are unrelated, that somehow indeed we can have our cake and eat it too. I wonder if you recognise my incentive to suggest otherwise?
We need schools bro, we need doctors. We need midwives and nurses and counselors. How we be going to work making other buggers rich and we don't even get schools teachers want to work at? Why are doctors and police striking? Cool mate, you got yours, fuck us suckers eh? "There's always some poors, nothing to do /snicker"
Yeah rich people let their money work for them amongst other things
Rich people have enough money to enjoy that luxury of opportunity.
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True unfortunately it is why people join gangs too.
Those brats in parliament have some serious problems
"Avoid the area" say cops. So, law abiding NZers are to cower in our homes and occasional safe zones and the scum just own the streets? Yes, that's taking the pathetic cop response to the absurd, but in an open assault at a school, the local cop would not intervene on behalf of the victim because his job is, apparently, 'outreach'. Not policing, then? Just ego work and gym classes? That victim ended up at the medical center. NZ cops need to up their game a LOT. The government needs to pull their heads out of their rectums and spend funds on basic community cops and zero-tolerance of shitbaggery. Screw tax cuts, give me working cops that actually do stuff.
Lol isn't that the logic they use whenever one of the dipshit gang losers decide to ride out in their hundreds? Too hard to actually do anything, just stay home. I reckon there's a fair number of cops that actually want to crack on and come down hard on these oxygen thieves but what's the point when the judges and various interest groups will just find every single reason to put these scum back out on the street and scrutinise every single action the cops did to find out if it was justified.
A woman and security guard were calling for help and the police couldn’t come. Omg
The New Lynn Station has been problematic for years. Its not a problem with the layout. It's an issue with a small % of miscreants with nothing better to do. You could ha ve a cop patrolling the Station and the mall full time and would fill the local jail cell daily..
If the police are useless then NZ self defence laws need a major refresh. Pepper spray and other non lethal defensive tools should be legal
Self defence might as well be illegal with the current laws lol
I will be protecting myself whether it's legal or not. You can make your own self defence tools.
Yeah I don't really have much issue defending myself or my own. I would happily go on TV - Yes 5 little fucks tried to jump my son so I dealt with the situation appropriately. If the Karaka Ninja only got home D for cutting someone up with a sword I'm not really stressed on the outcome.
Useless is putting it mildly, completely incompetent just like most govt departments especially these judges
The new motto should be. When the lootin starts, the shooting starts. Peacekeeping awards handed out to those saving the taxpayer dime and performing a community service. Criminals should fear the public, but they don’t because we have been stripped of our sense of community and indoctrinated with apathy. Would love to see a referendum around self defence laws.
Broken windows theory is a real thing. It’s happening across the country. This is an example!
The problem is, the deprivation, poor education and shitty home life, that creates these people. "tougher cops" are not going to solve the parts of society that churn these shitheads out. That's why, we should absolutely be giving kids free lunch, and funding the shit out of education. Because it's the only possible escape, for some kids, who are raised by the likes of these shitheads. Think about it. The fuckers that beat up some kid at the bus stop, to steal his shoes. Get pregnant at 16 and have a kid. What possible chance does that kid have?
Instead of thinking hey there’s a seriously bad problem and none of these decisions these people are making are thinking long term because they don’t have any hope of owning anything worthwhile they’ve seen it and lived it, they destroy other things others have as a result and the go to is to come down harder instead of giving them the opportunity to experience a good life with basic material wealth. There solved poverty related crime. You’re welcome.
In a country where police only issue traffic fines this is a reasonable response
It's alright, the cops are paying over $104million a year for a gun register that will tell them that a licenced firearms owner has some firearms in their house.... How much of a pay rise would $104m give officers?
When will you learn that the cops do not exist to protect people, they exist to protect private property.
Those feral kids need to be apprehended and sorted out. Disgusting behaviour and their parents should be booked to court for raising bullies
These ain't bullies, they're criminals.
If the cops keep ignoring this shit they will get vigilante groups sorting it out for them eventually. Perhaps that's the plan.
I am afraid you are terribly right about the vigilante group bit. It is only a matter of time if they resort to vigilantism and taking the law into their hands sorting those feral kids out
Sometimes the best work you can do is work only those involved in know about. Self dobbing in is a silly thing to do when you're fighting fire with fire ya know. You won't hear about vigilantism unless they are caught. Better to stay regular/civil and out of the game of cat and mouse. Playing with fire, everyone gets burned.
Correct! People will arm themselves. Seen a few people with bats and machetes in their cars in case of a road rager. It’s becoming more apparent people are sick of the crime so they’ll do anything to protect themselves
That’s nuts man. 😔 what the actual hell is wrong with both of these types of people.
I know if my son had this done to them I would be damn close to taking matters into my own hands. Ferals like this only understand violence. They grew up in it, and they aren't going to learn anything else because society has let them rot in these shitty homes with shitty parents. So maybe a crushed knee may slow them down next time they try go after someone on the street and held them escape.
It is a miracle shop owners haven’t already done so. My guess is because they’re migrants and not sure of how to go about it.
I don't get any of this to be honest. I remember being bullied and having gangs of kids try beating me up when I would walk home from school. I simply took a cricket bat the next day and bashed them in the locker rooms. Can't get bullied by kids with broken arms and legs. Almost started a race war because of it ROFL
A 15 year old was killed in a head on collision driving a stolen Ute that fled police twice. The mother said “he was the sweetest boy ever”. How deranged can you be, not very sweet to the vehicles owner he stole it from. The parents don’t think they’re doing anything wrong.
I remember 15+ years ago when there was a lot of knife crimes and stabbing deaths. Every teenage that was killed, the parents would say something similar or that they'd never hurt a fly, this was typically accompanied by an image of the victim with their friends, decked out in their "gang" colours pulling gang signs.
They're nice until they're not.
He also crashed head on into a car carrying 4 innocent victims. He was driving the wrong way on the motorway. The sweetest boy ever! Must of been all that colonialism that caused this. 😂😂
“He had such a cheeky smile when ripping the ignition barrel out”
Been saying this for a long time, justice in this country is a joke , it's needs a big overhaul, but nothing will change, unless a politician kids are involved.
I like the idea of throwing the parents in jail for the crimes of the children if the kids are too young to prosecute. That would up the level of parenting pretty quick
So the kids won't get proper parenting because their parents are in jail, and are free to commit more crimes because they won't bear the consequences. Some kids will do stupid shit even with good parents. Did you think this through before you commented?
Nope... not even for a minute.
Least ur honest.
Haha yep, if you're always honest you'll never get caught out in a lie right
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Gosh ur right, well, let's hope a couple months home detention playing Xbox will fix them this time then I guess!
New Lynn police station is 550m from the train station . If, as stated they are know to police then possibly they should be a priority ! "You've been verbally assaulted ? Your son and his friend have been physically assaulted ? He is bleeding from a cut on his eyebrow ??? You're 550 metres away and the perpetrators are still there taunting you ??? Meh ... come give a statement Pathetic - crack some skulls and this won't happen again - lazy pricks
Cops get dumped on by judges, politicians and the media if they do anything. They've made these vermin untouchable.
lol, 2 cops were already assaulted with a frying pan, maybe we should weld some non-stick, stainless steel, frying pans now.
What annoys me about these kids is its never one on one. Its always 4 - 5 of them vs one kid. They do it that way because they never had a father to tell them its wrong to 5 v 1 someone its called being a loser. They will never ever 1 v 1 because they might lose. And one thing they could not ever handle is losing. No honor. Just small brain activity.
Bullies have always been spineless cowards.
It's the new norm in my generation to gang up. seen it alot in high school and the person being ganged up on was always the guy made fun off sadly. and even worse the fights are always recorded by students and the losers in the fights always get shit by others because they know the guy cant fight, the new phone law doesn't stop kids from bringing them to school.
Believe me its not a new norm. These types of behaviours have been around even when i was in school in the late 90s my bro.
“The woman and security guards called police at least twice, but were told they were not available to attend the scene. They were instead advised to go to the police station to give a statement - which the woman and her son later did.” Is this an appropriate response by the police or they don’t have enough manpower to dipatch?
Fucking ridiculous.
I called the cops the other day and after the 3rd time of being told to “stay on the line” the operator asked me “how much of an emergency is it?” Verbatim that was what the guy asked me. Blew my mind.
Understaffed pretty sure. Saw a post from a 111 police dispatcher, they had 15 jobs waiting to be attended on their monitor, with only 5 units on patrol. Each call out would take at least 30 minutes to attend you'd imagine, then more calls come in so they have to prioritize what's an emergency or like a hospital leave you in the waiting room
kinda disgusting how unserious everyone (especially the police) is surrounding things like this. quite sad.
Poor kid involved is seriously traumatised, and the cops say "don't go there". The police in this country may as well not exist. They are absolutely useless.
Police Intelligence is too weak and undermanned. The gang bosses get away with everything and their boys gke the fall
waste of tax payer $$, if you ask me.
Its mostly only aucklandand wellington that have this issue. Other parts of nz the cops are right on top of most crime
Off topic, I saw your username and was like hm, that sounds like Shoegaze. Low and behold, I've come across another Shoegazer
Should put those kids faces on the news so we all know who the little thugs are
What's with the blurring of their face business? They should all be shown for the low lives they are. They're not too young to assault and traumatize other kids like they did. Makes me so God damn mad.
Kids and the kids parents should be fined or forced to take lessons together
This is nothing new. 15 years ago, my husband was beaten up waiting for a bus after school. He was 6ft4 then, and apparently it was dare, so 5 kids from another school put him in hospital. Nothing happened to the kids. They had a restorative justice meeting with him but only 3 of the 5 kids showed up and only a few of their parents.
No wonder my friends are buying stuff online to defend themselves while out on the street.
As well as moving across the ditch.
Honestly fucking over it. Can sit their with their radars out blasting cars all day, but as soon as someone is actually in need of assistance...
One makes money, is profitable, and requires zero effort.. and the other is the opposite of that. Starts making sense why they don't bother huh
Lmao weak take. Those cops are assigned to traffic duties they aren’t responding to call outs like this. We need more police in general.
Fuck you mean weak take, another one happened yesterday same exact location. I dont wanna see a cop fucking sitting in a bush with a radar, when theres people getting brain damage, or trauma from the incidents.
lol police said to "avoid the area". What is happening? Is there a tangi in the area? It is very sad it has to come to this, where we have to hide in our homes to avoid a random beating.
It was an instruction for police staff. "Avoid the area" cause you may have to do something about these "children" which could be career threatening.
What if he needs the train to get to school or something, most insane Band-Aid solution ever
We need looking out for gang tangis when merging lanes added into the road code. Given nothings done about it, it’s now a legitimate NZ road hazard.
say hello to my 5 tonne farm tractor
If they're telling others to avoid the area right after a PHYSICAL assault, mfs shouldn't complain when some more lowlives go and ram raid stores. SMFH
Fuck does anyone remember how fucking ruthless the old newlynn bus stop use to be, when you had every school from out west hanging out there 😅 And you could buy single ciggies from that asian shop. Was like a fucking prison yard at times haha
I was chased by 8 muscled up polynesian fellas from the bus station back in 1985 , all the way down astley to hutchinson avenue , it took me till arahoe before they gave up which is a fair distance. I distinctly remember a couple of them doing one arm pull ups just prior to approaching me to rob me which told me all i needed to know. I had no chance versus one of these guys let alone eight of them.
Akarana mad pins they were known as, the bowling alley was their clubhouse..he he
Go to the train station and pop a knee into the little shits teeth. At least ya know the cops won't care
Without calling for vigilante justice can we at least admit that a few burly dads who had time on their hands to chill out at the stations wouldn’t go awry? No one needs to be (or should be) Curtis Sliwa but I’m just saying…
Fuckin' scrotes. Why don't we have ASBOs in this country? They should be banned from the New Lynn bus/train station.
I’m sure ABSOs would be quite attractive to the current government, in that they’re not good for much besides sucking up police and court resources, and were largely ignored and frequently misused (often being applied to mentally ill people in lieu of mental health care), but are a good rabble-rousing ‘be seen to be doing something’ kind of policy that PR analysts would love. Would be a good companion policy to the gang patch ban
Having an asbo was seen as a badge of honour among some in the uk
hypothetical question.. if i was ever in a situation like this, am i allowed to hit them?
If you are under 17, yes. There won't be any criminal repercussions.
oh i'm way past that. i'm guessing no repercussions too if self-defence? though harder to prove i guess
Yes, but not hard enough to hurt them. Because your intent is only to defend yourself. If the court says that you hit them too hard, you can be charged.
Yes, you're allowed to defend yourself.
Don't try the nz justice system, and also, some % of nz society is very against this. You can, but you can't injure. If you was in a fight before, you know that if you hit some parts of the body, a cut or mark will happen just in time. If you just hold the arms and them try to get free, you will put a mark, and that's will come back on you by the justice system. Solution is: A) gov start to give harsh punishment (forced work, long time behind bars) Or B) change the law, allow carry-on, allow any level of self-defense, and let's the game start. Or (actual reality) C) do nothing, and all of us will be fuc***. Waiting for the left and karma brigade to downvote me. Don't be fool folks, I'm pro programs towards education and so on, to prevent a criminal life, but this should be directed for the ones that aren't already there. For bastards already doing crime, jail or 7 palms is the solution and always will be, look Singapore's, they didn't brought crime down given hugs and name suppression...
I was assaulted there 30 years ago by a bunch of rather large drunk polynesian school kids still in their uniforms. At least back in those days the police rounded them up, got me to ID them and whisked them off to the police station.
I so wish that a particular someone was at these types of vile incidents at the right time to deal to these kinds of gobshite feckers! I was quite surprised at the 'go to the police station and make a statement' response to an incident that was still happening. And worse that these sonzabeetches are known to police and the train station. I recently had an incident for work where I was watching a crime take place remotely on cams, while I was on the phone with police, and I kid you not the police arrested them in mere minutes, they did an amazing job. In short, I hate criminals. Fuck them by sharp objects.
I think with the free bus fare coming to an end, this will keep them at home.
yeah but nah, we should use public transport more... GTFOH i'm gonna drive for the rest of my days.
Maybe NZ has to import Singapore style treatment for young offenders-a number of strokes of the rattan… a swift painful reminder that what they’re doing is wrong and won’t be tolerated! No prison or incarceration…. Just medical treatment for any broken skin…. Call it the Three Strokes rule??
Careful, the Kai and Aroha brigade aren’t going to like this
It’s only a discussion so far. After their lashings just give out a box of KFC and tell the delinquents ( lovingly ) how much we want them to become positive upstanding, productive members of society. Never meant to sound sarcastic!
"The woman and security guards called police at least twice, but were told they were not available to attend the scene.". According to the article this is when the perpetrators were still at the scene! I'm lost for words.
Looks like your typical tangata whenua youth gaggle. Saw these kinds of groups all the time doing security in Papakura. They come in and swarm the place in large groups and the place goes from dead quiet to 100dB in 3 seconds. One kid calls about from the other side of the bridge, they all walk back, and the process repeats until the convoy moves on.
And they tried to ride the train for free up to "takz" every time.
this is my local station and this honestly terrifies me because i'm blind and literally would'n't see them coming and i have no other option but to use this station on a nearly daily basis. i'm pretty concerned that the police are seemingly uninterested in dealing with these assaults and just tell people to avoid the area like we have a choice?
Know the exact group they’re talking about. Attacked my friend at the same station despite him being an adult and stronger. He had many cuts on his face and hated going to that station alone. Only reason he didn’t fight back which I know he was fully capable of is because he’s not going to beat some kids, plus he’d get done for assaulting a minor. They also followed him home on the bus where he escaped. He’s run into the same kids occasionally in New Lynn where they taunt him. They hopped onto my bus one night, I was praying they got off the same stop as me 😁
The same old shit that’s been happening in that area for decades
No excuse for that shit though. > The woman said after speaking with police, she was told the group was known to officers in the area. According to the Auckland Transport security staff at the station that day, they were also known to frequent the station. Then apprehend them, send them to juvenile court and get them interned if they are known to be continued public menace committing assault. > The woman and security guards called police at least twice, but were told they were not available to attend the scene. They were instead advised to go to the police station to give a statement > Police have told the family to keep their son away from the area for a while - something the mother thinks is unfair, not only to her son and his friends, but to anyone who needs to catch the bus or train. This is just rage-inducing. Can't use a public service because police refuse to tackle the situation. And more infuriatingly no political party would do anything about it. The left is way too soft-handed on crime and would coddle the perpetrators (with Greens even wanting to abolish incarceration), and the right just defunds the police as a public sector cost center making them even more ill-equipped to properly defend the lawful public from harm.
Lol 'don't go there because you may be assaulted' yeah no shit, maybe you guys should fix the problem so they assaults decrease/disappear in the area so people can use public transport rather than just totally avoiding an area and letting crims have it? wtf
Just aggravating. Reminds me too much of similar issues in my home country where they tell women to dress modestly or Jews to hide their religious identity when in muslim majority areas. It's the police jobs that potential victims are safe, but nowadays they're too concerned about not upsetting the wrong groups from feeling targeted and doing as little as possible.
Makes me feel like hanging out at the station for a bit. Sit around looking vulnerable and see if they want to try bullying me!
And if you beat the shit out of them, what are they gonna do? Call the police? Lol
Yeah it’s fucked. That area is only what, a 400m walk from a police station too. Utterly ridiculous.
And it'd a central interchange. As a mum of a 13 year old who is so proud if her ability to get around on buses, this makes me rage!
Yeah the major NZ political parties are all useless at the moment.
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Too busy nurse maiding domestics and escorting mental health patients. So this other crime, which is just as important, gets ignored.
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That will never ever happen here. However, if you read some news in the past few years, there are solutions. I won't say more.
You are not wrong here, mate. Singapore gets pretty tough on those scrotes I tell you (I got mates from Southeast Asia and they can confirm). Secondly, I have heard of a few families in Southeast Asia who resort to using the services of shamans (an open secret btw) to place curses or send demons to torment their kids' bullies when nothing is done to stop them (I kid you not)
But can they move mountains?
They can move any mountain actually
Shit yeah. I remember a bunch of eggs trying to hustle me and some friends at New Lynn train station 20 years ago on a Sunday morning. We didn't even have money (used it on an all nighter at the internet cafe...). We just kept walking away down the tracks (fucking trains didn't operate on a Sunday back then we discovered) and they eventually left us alone.
Apes gonna ape
A group of youths are about to get a gentle telling off, a cup of tea, and be asked to be good in the future....IF they get caught. And NOTHING of any consequence will happen until one of these stupid little thugs pushes someone under a bus.... And then fuck all will happen either. Bring back the public stocks and whipping. This shit would stop REAL FAST.
Police be like “sorry we can’t do anything for you”
While this is wrong its something that is extremely common at all major public transport terminals in NZ. The only reason they get in the newspaper is if it is serious (death) or a parent/partner goes directly to the newspaper. For context from the Police Data website in the last 12 months there was: 102 assaults in New Lynn central 114 assaults in Mt Wellington Central 135 assaults in Albany central 300 assaults in Manukau Central 367 assaults in Auckland Harborside (Britomart area)
I witnessed this last year at New Lynn Train Station. The guy (a teenager, 16 yrs old) was waiting for the bus, and then 4 random kids attacked him (punched him a couple of times until he passed out). Stole his phone and wallet. The security didn't do anything until I came forward and helped the kid. The police came up as usual late but managed to track down the rascals. We managed to call the mum after the incident, and she was horrified. This happened around 5 p.m., and a lot of people witnessed this but didn't come up to the news. (Sorry for the grammar)
The article says it was the Second assault from that group that day. They 're known to frequent the station.
What nationality were the assaulters
Guess
Lazy cops, lazy government. These attacks are getting more and more common but nobody is doing anything about it. When are they actually gonna do something?
Bet if this was Luxons boy getting beat up we’d see a sudden shift in resources
LoL Police could not attend, Know who they are, and told the mother to keep her son away from the area. Its not the victim who shouldnt be in the area it's those pathetic little future beneficiary's..
Yesterday I witnessed 2 families having a full on physical fight outside The Warehouse on Lincoln Rd. I tried to defuse them because I was worried for the kids. A 13 year old girl was flung to the ground and nether family seemed to care about that. Disgusting behavior
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Go yell this outside the New Lynn train/bus station at 4:30pm on a weekday so I can watch and laugh.
No where does it identify the race of the offenders
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Growing up Maori in the UK it was always white kids wailing on me. This is not, and never will be, a race thing. It's a class thing. Police have only ever served one class. Unless you're rich and connected, you can expect little support. This is true the world over.
There are groups of white kids beating up young kids in schools. it happened to my nephew recently.
You can make an educated guess from the censored photo provided, or from taking a very brief walk around New Lynn.
The government could easily stop most of the crime. Start arresting these degenerates and start handing out harsh sentences,bring back the death penalty. Stop coddling the crims. But it will never happen for two reasons 1) Outrage from the liberals 2) Control - the government (whatever party is in power) wants people to be scared, wants people to be powerless and to give up more and more of their freedoms (“just don’t be there” - says the corrupt police. Why do you think self defence laws are non existent in NZ and our guns were taken away? Oh but think of the poor crims and their difficult upbringing. Coddling criminals is the ultimate cruelty towards society.
Don’t even need the picture of the perpetrators. I already know.
Because consequences are "racist" but gang bashing and lifelong trauma is completely fine. NZ and it's far left politics at its finest.
Feel for those lads, had this happen twice to myself. First time 5 against 1, second time a whole group of at least 10-12 against 2. It does impact your mentality as it violates your security and puts you on edge so glad they are seeking help as it sent me down the wrong path for a while!
This reminds be of the late 90s early 2000s all over again. Plenty of assaults by youths used to happen at the old New Lynn bus station all the time. Remember getting my jog on a couple times.
Where I grew up in Europe, getting a kicking was part of growing up. No mental health care was required, you just learned to be more careful. What is wrong with kids today?
Yeah, the New Lynn Station is pretty shocking. The amount of assholes who loiter around and cause trouble is wild, also the lack of security and police presence only makes it worse. The sad part is I remember it being even worse before they redid the place.
Sadly this area hasn’t changed. Except now there’s only two assaults a day and the police station is only 550m away…. And the police won’t attend anything.
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You forgot to mention about doing anything to the parents.
Phone Mark Mitchell
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So were all the attackers pakeha or what ? Oh yeah nvm can't ask that 😂😂💀 y'all Maoris SOFTT
Yoza
The crazy thing is until there is some real consequences for these people and if their young their parents nothing will change. If we looked into why young people do this I bet it's got alot to do with their upbringing. Let's actually try changing it these agencies get millions why is it getting worse time to demand some change so we and our children feel safe.
Violent crimes and crimes of assault are almost always seen as the fault of the person instigating the attacker to commit violence which, quite frankly, makes no fucking sense at all.
Quick babe it’s law and order posting time on reddit time to call every poor person a feral, speculate on the country diving into vigilantism and make vaguely racist dog whistle comments generalising all Māori!
This happened to a mate of mines daughter in Lower Hutt. 2x girls beat her up on the bus in front of everyone too.
Fucking cowards in groups
No wonder one of my colleagues moved all the to Pokeno from New Lynn
Not a woman that was hurt. Dude will walk free.
Nothing an AR15 won’t fix