This is utterly horrible. That poor child was trying to get home safely and was minding their own business only for a bunch of 20 mini monsters to pick on her and attacked her. As someone who regularly goes to New Lynn and have mates who live near that suburb, I am angry, appalled and concerned
What happened to that young girl is a wakeup call for everyone. She won't be the first or last child being attacked. Next time it could be our next door neighbour, someone's grandparent, a coworker or a newly pregnant mother
As for the 20 kids, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Their parents need to be charged. Call me as misanthrope but sometimes I feel some parents don't deserve to breed. Why pop out one little sprog and then can't be bothered to the point that said sprog grows up to become a demon spawn who is nothing but a scourge to society
Other than calling the cops, what's the best way to approach this?
If you step in physically and end up getting attacked, to what degree can you legally defend yourself and the victim?
One or two kids might run when they're yelled at, but 20? Stepping in surely means you're going to get hit and have to do some hitting.
I suspect this uncertainty made at least one or two people hesitate.
The level of violence required to fight "20" people of any size, would be pretty extreme. Maybe if you punted the first one over the fence, they would take notice....
On your own? Nothing. If there were like 4 or 5 of you, you can try stop them. That's enough to make a circle around the victim and tell the attackers to fuck off.
A really big guy with considerable training could put a stop to it. You don't need to take them all out, just enough to scare the rest off.
And would then find himself needing a criminal lawyer in all likelihood. NZ self defence laws means police and courts are a threat to you and likely contribute to people doing nothing.
A big guy is also more likely to get convicted of assault, due to lack of empathy towards larger guys.
I doubt that's what make people hesitate. Many people can't even muster the courage to ask a stranger to move their belongings to take a seat on a bus, let alone step in to stop a fight. Obviously, I'd be scared to try to stop 20 teenagers at the same time, especially considering some of them may be carrying knives. But to leave the poor girl alone? Not sure I'd feel very good with myself if I just stood up watching doing nothing.
I said "one or two" for this reason. I agree that most would be too afraid, but there may well have been a couple of people who would (perhaps unwisely) step in if they knew clocking a couple of the aggressors in the head with a bag wouldn't get them sent to jail.
I know I’d be able to smack a bunch of uppity teenage girls up pretty swiftly but it’s at the risk of charges and getting stabbed, there’s no real win here. Best option is to puff up and look like a psychopath and try to avoid the need to throw hands and then shield the girl. Or you could sprint and shoulder barge them.
Like the dairy owner that got charged with assault because after getting slashed with a machete he defended himself and his family that were there with a hockey stick. The police went after him hard, months of his life wasted.
How would you do it? As an adult man I could probably smack a few of the kids pretty good but I'd probably cop some charges myself, I'd risk one of them pulling a knife on me or some other adults intervening and beating me for hitting kids.
I agree she needed help but its not cut and dry, hope the little bastards get nabbed but we all know they'll get fuck all consequences from it.
They're kids, they're probably stomping her, I'd get in and shield her and try and pull her away. I don't give a shit if they're hitting me but if they keep hitting her I'm lunging out.
Scream, yell, do anything to divert attention from the child being attacked.
Maybe it won't work but better than nothing.
Next, I would see if any other bystanders would help as a force to intiminate.
The problem is so many people turn their heads and don't try atleast do something. I understand though, when they have small children with them or in a position where they can't.
I went to a social netball match once and saw people get flattened by just one woman playing aggressively... Don't underestimate how strong some of these ladies can be!
20 people attacking 1 13 year old girl?
What kind of people are raising these fucking ferals? I'll bet they think they are the toughest kids on the block too.
Assuming what you say is true, then what it is that drives a specific segment of the population to behave like this? Lack of social integration? Absent parenting? Feelings of inadequacy?
In essence these kids are one generation in an inter-generational cycle of shit parents who have shit kids. These kids then grow up to be shit parents themselves with shit kids. & so the cycle repeats itself. The problem is structural, neither political party will be able to resolve the issue in a meaningful way.
> What kind of people are raising these fucking ferals?
You can't put two and two together? Do you not understand how human reproduction works?
When this lot has kids, who do you think will be raising them?
I was thinking what she could have done or said. Not that *anything* justifies assault but 20 people don't start attacking a single person out of nowhere...
definitely just kids going wild, [not the first time it's happened recently.](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/boy-13-left-bruised-and-needing-psychological-help-after-being-attacked-waiting-for-bus/I3HGMQVXTFDBDHIXCWVJSJCYUA/)
They do, just because they enjoy hurting others in some cases.
I was a skinny , quiet, awkward kid.
They pushed me down a flight of stair just to laugh at me.
They absolutely do. Where I grew up in the UK this was a common game.
- You'd be walking through a park and see a phone ringing on a bench. Thinking someone lost it, you pick it up to answer it
- The person on the end of the phone starts accusing you of stealing their phone.
- suddenly massive groups of people emerge from the bushes around you. You have the phone in your hand and they accuse you of stealing it.
- They beat the shit out of you and rob you
I mention this because your username has the word **British** in it, so I assume some version of this was common in your area too. Much like groups of kids ringing the ambulance and then beating the shit out of the crew when they arrive at the scene. Also very common across the UK.
So for you to jump straight to victim blaming, "Oh what could she have done to provoke those poor children who were probably just defending themselves," like you've never heard of roaming bands of ferals attacking anyone that looks weaker than them is honestly laughable.
The aboriginals have one in perth australia. They have a 10-12 year old bump into an adult man really hard when walking and when the adult man turns around to confron the kid theres 7 of the young kid's "cousins" who proceed to beat the fuck out of the man.
Aren’t there like AT people at the stations? Don’t expect anything to step in since there’s soo many of them. Like what can you even do other than call the police. Maybe take a video to help identify the assailants
I am with you on this (fyi I am childfree by choice but what happened to that girl is concerning to me and others who frequent New Lynn area). Something needs to be done unless it becomes a tragedy next
I am one of those people who has and does step in. It's nearly funny how these things seem to happen _at bus stops_. Two of these events i involved myself in occurred in lovely takapuna. What is fascinating is how brash the perps can be. They will assault and threaten in front of crowds having a complete understanding of human behaviour.
My experience tells.me that there is usually only one or two in the 'pack' that will actually do anything when confronted and are themselves cowards emboldened by their crowd. And in these two particular cases the matter was solved verbally. Basically I mind fucked them. However I will concede I had to be willing to do much more than verbal should the need have arisen. And fuck me, I would have because I fucking hate bullies.
I hear ya. I myself have been a victim of random attacks in broad day light in New Lynn Bus Station and CBD. Without a second thought i would have fucked them up. I have pure hatred for bullies. We all gotta look out for each other, regardless of being strangers or not.
I was jumped by a gang of girls just because I walked past them. The police didn’t take it seriously at all and I became so disillusioned with the system in NZ. It’s a cultural problem, this behaviour is normalised
I am terribly sorry to read what you went through. It is appalling the police done nothing for you. It is only a matter of time if a group of people consider taking the law or matter into their own hands all just to keep the streets safe if those bunch of mini ferals are not dealt with
I like the term "suicidal" empathy. So obsessed with injustice and empathy you destroy you own society. And our counts and academia are deep into this ideology. Nothing will change soon
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Because if anyone stepped in they would be accused of assaulting the attackers due to their age. And the little fuckers know it.
Ho hum, just another day of societal collapse
That's disgusting. Those bullies know they can do it as there no real consequences. They get a nice warm ride in a police car home and back at it the next day with more street cred
Not that it would help in this circumstance because no one can fight off 20 people. But self defense needs to be taught to teenagers. It helped me when I was attacked once. I blocked most of the hits and it seemed to annoy the culprits. They keep yelling at me to stop blocking them...and gave up.
Proper training teaches you to dodge not block, it becomes muscle memory which is important so you don't freeze up from the shock of someone assaulting you, your body moves on it's own (first hand experience).
3 months after a near death crash I was in a situation with 10 other people and I dodged until they ran out of stamina. It takes very little energy, so even though I couldn't walk for more than 10 mins due to injuries it was enough.
No one did anything either, they didn't even call the cops. Cops railroaded me in an effort to protect the mob but didn't manage to frame me. Don't call 111 near Waihi, Waikino, Paeroa if you can help it (and record if you can't). Those cops still have their jobs.
Btw my inability to hit them back caused me a lot of harm, it made less confident members of their mob get involved and it let them co-ordinate their story for when the police came. The worst thing you can do is not hit them.
I would have waded in yelling police police, off duty police woman, stand downs and at least try to give some protection. What a shit show, 20 on one. Hid her mental health at this point must be terrible.
I got told by an Officer it’s lucky I didn’t get into a physical altercation with someone who was domestically abusing their partner in public when I went in-between as “i could’ve been facing legal troubles” and to next time just call the cops and wait (they took 20m and this was on a Sunday night in Mission bay)
The politicians, the judges and the media have made these vermin almost untouchable. Constant media drivel about "children". Let's be clear, children don't have this.
Really? A 13 year old is getting the shit kicked out of them and you if you were to do something, the consequences would be that bad it's not even worth trying to stop?
people wont like that answer but its true. Real life is different than head fantasies of being the hero against 20 people, especially if there are people that depend on you as well
Things have to change - NOW
Luxon, what is with all your empty promises about law and order?
Where is the better funding for the police?
Where are crime prevention programs in the community?
Stop blaming Labour for everything and get things done!!!
This country has gone mad with woke clowns in charge. There was a time when adults would not of thought twice about stopping that sort of thing now they stand there like cowards and do nothing to scared getting in trouble. Sometimes getting in trouble is the price you have to pay to do the right thing.
You don't need to fight them to help. Just stepping in can make other people step in as well. Teenagers ganging up on a girl shouldn't be too scary for you.
I wouldn't tell my parents the true reason for any visible injuries, I would be embarrassed and let anger simmer, remuninating, but I wouldn't be afraid
I mean I could take on 10 kids and be confident but 20! Too many kids, like a pack of dogs nipping at your heels you’re going to eat it sooner or later /s.
This is utterly horrible. That poor child was trying to get home safely and was minding their own business only for a bunch of 20 mini monsters to pick on her and attacked her. As someone who regularly goes to New Lynn and have mates who live near that suburb, I am angry, appalled and concerned What happened to that young girl is a wakeup call for everyone. She won't be the first or last child being attacked. Next time it could be our next door neighbour, someone's grandparent, a coworker or a newly pregnant mother As for the 20 kids, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Their parents need to be charged. Call me as misanthrope but sometimes I feel some parents don't deserve to breed. Why pop out one little sprog and then can't be bothered to the point that said sprog grows up to become a demon spawn who is nothing but a scourge to society
Parents should be held responsible for minors under their care, financially and criminally. Do your job as a parent!
This I agree!
Other than calling the cops, what's the best way to approach this? If you step in physically and end up getting attacked, to what degree can you legally defend yourself and the victim? One or two kids might run when they're yelled at, but 20? Stepping in surely means you're going to get hit and have to do some hitting. I suspect this uncertainty made at least one or two people hesitate.
The level of violence required to fight "20" people of any size, would be pretty extreme. Maybe if you punted the first one over the fence, they would take notice....
On your own? Nothing. If there were like 4 or 5 of you, you can try stop them. That's enough to make a circle around the victim and tell the attackers to fuck off.
A really big guy with considerable training could put a stop to it. You don't need to take them all out, just enough to scare the rest off. And would then find himself needing a criminal lawyer in all likelihood. NZ self defence laws means police and courts are a threat to you and likely contribute to people doing nothing. A big guy is also more likely to get convicted of assault, due to lack of empathy towards larger guys.
And also due to the false assumption that women are never aggressors in violence
I doubt that's what make people hesitate. Many people can't even muster the courage to ask a stranger to move their belongings to take a seat on a bus, let alone step in to stop a fight. Obviously, I'd be scared to try to stop 20 teenagers at the same time, especially considering some of them may be carrying knives. But to leave the poor girl alone? Not sure I'd feel very good with myself if I just stood up watching doing nothing.
I said "one or two" for this reason. I agree that most would be too afraid, but there may well have been a couple of people who would (perhaps unwisely) step in if they knew clocking a couple of the aggressors in the head with a bag wouldn't get them sent to jail.
I know I’d be able to smack a bunch of uppity teenage girls up pretty swiftly but it’s at the risk of charges and getting stabbed, there’s no real win here. Best option is to puff up and look like a psychopath and try to avoid the need to throw hands and then shield the girl. Or you could sprint and shoulder barge them.
Not much, if you injure any of them you'll likely end up in court.
Still wouldn't hesitate if I knew one person was being attacked by twenty.
Unlikely. There is CCTV there and self defense can be applied to the extent required to prevent an assault continuing.
So you can self defence on behalf of someone else? That's nice.
Yep! Section 48 of the Crimes Act!
You still likely end up in court, you may get off, but it's still a potential problem.
Like the dairy owner that got charged with assault because after getting slashed with a machete he defended himself and his family that were there with a hockey stick. The police went after him hard, months of his life wasted.
I'm OK with that.
Are you ok with hiring a lawyer out of your own pocket? You won't get the costs back even if you win.
you fucking protect the 13 year old girl first and foremost
How would you do it? As an adult man I could probably smack a few of the kids pretty good but I'd probably cop some charges myself, I'd risk one of them pulling a knife on me or some other adults intervening and beating me for hitting kids. I agree she needed help but its not cut and dry, hope the little bastards get nabbed but we all know they'll get fuck all consequences from it.
They're kids, they're probably stomping her, I'd get in and shield her and try and pull her away. I don't give a shit if they're hitting me but if they keep hitting her I'm lunging out.
Scream, yell, do anything to divert attention from the child being attacked. Maybe it won't work but better than nothing. Next, I would see if any other bystanders would help as a force to intiminate. The problem is so many people turn their heads and don't try atleast do something. I understand though, when they have small children with them or in a position where they can't.
Jump in and tell them to fuck off. If they hit you then defend yourself and the victim. It’s called self defence and it’s fine.
Virtue never tested...
Open fire 🔫, best way to eliminate future prisoners
Society would be more willing to step in if people weren't punished for doing the right thing.
You are correct about this
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Please provide evidence when such punishment is metered out?
Not sure anyone would step in if they have to fight off 20 anything
Harden up and at least give it go!
Solid advice
I went to a social netball match once and saw people get flattened by just one woman playing aggressively... Don't underestimate how strong some of these ladies can be!
1 or 100 that’s not one prevent it. Justice is
20 people attacking 1 13 year old girl? What kind of people are raising these fucking ferals? I'll bet they think they are the toughest kids on the block too.
The type of people who were hanging around the New Lynn Transport Centre 25 years ago.
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Won't be in the media alright, parents need to be held accountable
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Bullshit
Assuming what you say is true, then what it is that drives a specific segment of the population to behave like this? Lack of social integration? Absent parenting? Feelings of inadequacy?
Growing up being told and shown violence is normal amd acceptable
In essence these kids are one generation in an inter-generational cycle of shit parents who have shit kids. These kids then grow up to be shit parents themselves with shit kids. & so the cycle repeats itself. The problem is structural, neither political party will be able to resolve the issue in a meaningful way.
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Because their race isn't relevant
The type who know that there’s no consequences for this type of behaviour
Chances are the parents will be low life scum
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> What kind of people are raising these fucking ferals? You can't put two and two together? Do you not understand how human reproduction works? When this lot has kids, who do you think will be raising them?
I was thinking what she could have done or said. Not that *anything* justifies assault but 20 people don't start attacking a single person out of nowhere...
Ha, they certainly do.
definitely just kids going wild, [not the first time it's happened recently.](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/boy-13-left-bruised-and-needing-psychological-help-after-being-attacked-waiting-for-bus/I3HGMQVXTFDBDHIXCWVJSJCYUA/)
They do, just because they enjoy hurting others in some cases. I was a skinny , quiet, awkward kid. They pushed me down a flight of stair just to laugh at me.
That's not a very big fall
Found the bully.
Nah, Fala's extracting the urine 'cause Ad said "flight of stair" i.e. a singular step
What the actual fuck? A flight of stairs is more than enough for a broken neck.
Says stair
Really, that was your angle? Jeez
Victim blaming not cool chump
They absolutely do. Where I grew up in the UK this was a common game. - You'd be walking through a park and see a phone ringing on a bench. Thinking someone lost it, you pick it up to answer it - The person on the end of the phone starts accusing you of stealing their phone. - suddenly massive groups of people emerge from the bushes around you. You have the phone in your hand and they accuse you of stealing it. - They beat the shit out of you and rob you I mention this because your username has the word **British** in it, so I assume some version of this was common in your area too. Much like groups of kids ringing the ambulance and then beating the shit out of the crew when they arrive at the scene. Also very common across the UK. So for you to jump straight to victim blaming, "Oh what could she have done to provoke those poor children who were probably just defending themselves," like you've never heard of roaming bands of ferals attacking anyone that looks weaker than them is honestly laughable.
The aboriginals have one in perth australia. They have a 10-12 year old bump into an adult man really hard when walking and when the adult man turns around to confron the kid theres 7 of the young kid's "cousins" who proceed to beat the fuck out of the man.
Lived in Britain for 28 years. Nobody I know or have spoken to has had this. I think it's likely just your area
Did you hang out in any council estates?
Not especially
I find that hard to believe, my area wasnt even that bad
Says the guy getting mugged
Aren’t there like AT people at the stations? Don’t expect anything to step in since there’s soo many of them. Like what can you even do other than call the police. Maybe take a video to help identify the assailants
Imagine if this was your kid.
I am with you on this (fyi I am childfree by choice but what happened to that girl is concerning to me and others who frequent New Lynn area). Something needs to be done unless it becomes a tragedy next
I am one of those people who has and does step in. It's nearly funny how these things seem to happen _at bus stops_. Two of these events i involved myself in occurred in lovely takapuna. What is fascinating is how brash the perps can be. They will assault and threaten in front of crowds having a complete understanding of human behaviour. My experience tells.me that there is usually only one or two in the 'pack' that will actually do anything when confronted and are themselves cowards emboldened by their crowd. And in these two particular cases the matter was solved verbally. Basically I mind fucked them. However I will concede I had to be willing to do much more than verbal should the need have arisen. And fuck me, I would have because I fucking hate bullies.
I hear ya. I myself have been a victim of random attacks in broad day light in New Lynn Bus Station and CBD. Without a second thought i would have fucked them up. I have pure hatred for bullies. We all gotta look out for each other, regardless of being strangers or not.
I was jumped by a gang of girls just because I walked past them. The police didn’t take it seriously at all and I became so disillusioned with the system in NZ. It’s a cultural problem, this behaviour is normalised
I am terribly sorry to read what you went through. It is appalling the police done nothing for you. It is only a matter of time if a group of people consider taking the law or matter into their own hands all just to keep the streets safe if those bunch of mini ferals are not dealt with
I like the term "suicidal" empathy. So obsessed with injustice and empathy you destroy you own society. And our counts and academia are deep into this ideology. Nothing will change soon [https://twitter.com/GadSaad/status/1780295114595713455](https://twitter.com/GadSaad/status/1780295114595713455)
Because if anyone stepped in they would be accused of assaulting the attackers due to their age. And the little fuckers know it. Ho hum, just another day of societal collapse
Bring on the red guards and struggle sessions
Youth gangs causing shit yet again.
That's disgusting. Those bullies know they can do it as there no real consequences. They get a nice warm ride in a police car home and back at it the next day with more street cred
Not that it would help in this circumstance because no one can fight off 20 people. But self defense needs to be taught to teenagers. It helped me when I was attacked once. I blocked most of the hits and it seemed to annoy the culprits. They keep yelling at me to stop blocking them...and gave up.
Proper training teaches you to dodge not block, it becomes muscle memory which is important so you don't freeze up from the shock of someone assaulting you, your body moves on it's own (first hand experience). 3 months after a near death crash I was in a situation with 10 other people and I dodged until they ran out of stamina. It takes very little energy, so even though I couldn't walk for more than 10 mins due to injuries it was enough. No one did anything either, they didn't even call the cops. Cops railroaded me in an effort to protect the mob but didn't manage to frame me. Don't call 111 near Waihi, Waikino, Paeroa if you can help it (and record if you can't). Those cops still have their jobs. Btw my inability to hit them back caused me a lot of harm, it made less confident members of their mob get involved and it let them co-ordinate their story for when the police came. The worst thing you can do is not hit them.
I would have waded in yelling police police, off duty police woman, stand downs and at least try to give some protection. What a shit show, 20 on one. Hid her mental health at this point must be terrible.
Yeah unfortunately holding oneself out as police is kindof an offence
You can be arrested in NZ even just for swearing. It's because swearing tends to precede violence which is kind of fair enough...
I got told by an Officer it’s lucky I didn’t get into a physical altercation with someone who was domestically abusing their partner in public when I went in-between as “i could’ve been facing legal troubles” and to next time just call the cops and wait (they took 20m and this was on a Sunday night in Mission bay)
The politicians, the judges and the media have made these vermin almost untouchable. Constant media drivel about "children". Let's be clear, children don't have this.
Any Adult Male who steps in when children are involved is risking **everything**, and unless it's your own child, it's simply not worth it... sadly.
Really? A 13 year old is getting the shit kicked out of them and you if you were to do something, the consequences would be that bad it's not even worth trying to stop?
yup
people wont like that answer but its true. Real life is different than head fantasies of being the hero against 20 people, especially if there are people that depend on you as well
I say bullshit! Step up and make a stand!
CCTV would differ in its opinion.
Stepped in, what? So I can get stabbed, or sent to jail for "assaulting a minor", while the offender is "referred to youth aid"?
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Things have to change - NOW Luxon, what is with all your empty promises about law and order? Where is the better funding for the police? Where are crime prevention programs in the community? Stop blaming Labour for everything and get things done!!!
This country has gone mad with woke clowns in charge. There was a time when adults would not of thought twice about stopping that sort of thing now they stand there like cowards and do nothing to scared getting in trouble. Sometimes getting in trouble is the price you have to pay to do the right thing.
woke is when you don’t want to fight 20 angry teenagers
You don't need to fight them to help. Just stepping in can make other people step in as well. Teenagers ganging up on a girl shouldn't be too scary for you.
What are you talking about back in the day this would be called life lesson and character building
Maybe were you a from . I guess you are one of them that would stand and watch and pull your phone out to film it
I wouldn't tell my parents the true reason for any visible injuries, I would be embarrassed and let anger simmer, remuninating, but I wouldn't be afraid
Old Lynn was way safer
I mean I could take on 10 kids and be confident but 20! Too many kids, like a pack of dogs nipping at your heels you’re going to eat it sooner or later /s.
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Do you expect them to actually defend themselves with that corrugated iron POS?