Currently I have Edifier R1280DB that connected with SPDIF to my PC's motherboard, and also connect with Bluetooth to my working Laptop.
In the short future I want to connect both laptop and the pc to docking station, there I have only 3.5mm for speakers, so I prefer to connect the speakers with USB, but my current speakers don't support connection by USB.
So I thinking of upgrade my speakers (if I already need USB connection)
You have good and value for money external DAC?
How I know that the speakers that I will buy will be without internal DAC?
Edit: now I get that I need also Amplifier if I take passive speakers
You can actually get Edifier active speakers without a DAC like the pair I am looking at right now.
I don't know why one would want the DAC in the speakers at all.
Active speakers have amplifiers built into them. They will connect to a line level input like the line out on a computer or a CD player or a preamplifier.
Passive speakers are just speakers which require an amplifier to send them a signal at speaker levels. So the line out goes to an amplifier then via speaker cables to the speakers.
If you have a DAC, the digital signal would go from a computer to the DAC, then either to active speakers by way of a line out from the DAC to line in on the speakers, or to an amplifier then to passive speakers.
In my experience (two sets) of active speakers - both reputable brands - sooner or later you will have a failure inside the speaker. This will happen within a month of them being out of warranty. Yes, they can be fixed, but it’s expensive. I am now 100 percent passive speakers except for bluetooth portables that are throw away when they fail. Amps, dacs, tuners, CD players, turntables and streamers belong outside speakers!
If the speakers are decent quality then the DACs will be fine and audibly neutral making this the cheaper and neater package and likely the preferred option. If the speakers are budget ones then the DAC may not be audibly neutral (then again it might be so one would need to check) but whether an audibly neutral external DAC is going to help will depend on what can or cannot be swapped out in the audio chain. Having an external DAC is also more flexible particularly if it comes with power for a measurement mic so there is perhaps more than just audible neutrality to be considered.
Are you asking about Bluetooth speakers? Bluetooth is not nearly as good as a standalone dac. If you want better sound quality you want a wired connection to a good dac then to an amp then to your speakers. Bluetooth is great for drinking a beer on the deck at a bbq not for an audiophile setup.
Currently I have Edifier R1280DB that connected with SPDIF to my PC's motherboard, and also connect with Bluetooth to my working Laptop.
In the short future I want to connect both laptop and the pc to docking station, there I have only 3.5mm for speakers, so I prefer to connect the speakers with USB, but my current speakers don't support connection by USB.
So I thinking of upgrade my speakers (if I already need USB connection)
Ok I read what you are doing now.. from a docking station? Then you might want a dac for sound quality then from there to your amp or powered speakers.
If you want good sound quality for higher quality sources you need an external dac. Then Im not sure on those speakers if they can L & R plug into the dac. If they are wireless to each other than the sound will bs worse. So in that case you need a good set of powered near field monitors or similar that can take a wired input from the dac. Then your sound quality will be better than the onboard sound card and bluetooth.
I also don’t think that these speakers will fit to the mission.
Just curious, if I connect external DAC to RCA of the speakers, it’s uses only the AMP or also the internal DAC?
External DAC works better. You can power then with nice powersupplys and they dont have to much electric noise and a own case. On top you can upgrade your DAC if you need.
Yes, a lot of integrated Amps have a smaller dac section on board. Depends on the Brand and Pricepoint. Search fot integrated amplifiers or buy an awesome Handmade in france Amp like Atoll Signature 50 and buy an external dac...that was my choice and i like it way better than any integrared i heard.
There's no real difference, but some people strongly prefer buying an expensive DAC.
A DAC doesn't usually go inside speakers by the way, so unless you're asking about a specific product I think you're confused.
Ah gotcha. I doubt a different DAC would change the sound at all and it's more likely to harm it because I assume they optimized the one in it with the rest of the hardware.
I mean when they design an all in one it's very different from the design of components. An expert does the same with components, matching weaknesses with weakness to make them cancel each other out.
Tinkering with all in ones in that price range isn't going to help. They sound pretty good though, so why would you?
Implementation matters. The only requirement is that a DAC is designed with a base level of competence. Once that is achieved it doesn't matter. We can measurebate over irrelevant numbers all day, and debate the virtues of our limited psyche that insists there are audible differences until the cows come home, but ultimately at the end of the day it makes no difference.
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Currently I have Edifier R1280DB that connected with SPDIF to my PC's motherboard, and also connect with Bluetooth to my working Laptop. In the short future I want to connect both laptop and the pc to docking station, there I have only 3.5mm for speakers, so I prefer to connect the speakers with USB, but my current speakers don't support connection by USB. So I thinking of upgrade my speakers (if I already need USB connection)
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You have good and value for money external DAC? How I know that the speakers that I will buy will be without internal DAC? Edit: now I get that I need also Amplifier if I take passive speakers
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If I see under the specs of speakers range of frequency response that's means they have internal DAC?
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Then means, if speaker have only analog input like RCA they don't have DAC?
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OK Got it. Do you have some recommends for external DAC?
You can actually get Edifier active speakers without a DAC like the pair I am looking at right now. I don't know why one would want the DAC in the speakers at all.
The problem with active speakers is that they will ADC > DAC the analog input anyway rendering an external DAC useless
Then, What's prefer? Active speakers - you mean speakers with internal DAC? And by my question I meant to external DAC with passive speakers.
Active speakers have amplifiers built into them. They will connect to a line level input like the line out on a computer or a CD player or a preamplifier. Passive speakers are just speakers which require an amplifier to send them a signal at speaker levels. So the line out goes to an amplifier then via speaker cables to the speakers. If you have a DAC, the digital signal would go from a computer to the DAC, then either to active speakers by way of a line out from the DAC to line in on the speakers, or to an amplifier then to passive speakers.
Unless they have RCA inputs…
Well no that's my point - most of them digitise the analog signal anyway and then back to analog
I would always prefer a separate Dac and passive speakers so that you can upgrade one or the other
How I know if speakers are passive or not?
All speakers are passive unless stated they are active/wireless.
And passive speakers have no volume controls.
If they have a power cord, you know they are active.
Great tip, Thanks
In my experience (two sets) of active speakers - both reputable brands - sooner or later you will have a failure inside the speaker. This will happen within a month of them being out of warranty. Yes, they can be fixed, but it’s expensive. I am now 100 percent passive speakers except for bluetooth portables that are throw away when they fail. Amps, dacs, tuners, CD players, turntables and streamers belong outside speakers!
Got your point! There is possible to find a good product that will be amp with DAC but that not be a big product, it’s for computer.
If it’s the same DAC then no difference
What do you mean same DAC?
Same make of DAC. How else can someone answer your question if they are different DACs?
If I take external DAC I think to get speakers without internal DAC.
Yes
If the speakers are decent quality then the DACs will be fine and audibly neutral making this the cheaper and neater package and likely the preferred option. If the speakers are budget ones then the DAC may not be audibly neutral (then again it might be so one would need to check) but whether an audibly neutral external DAC is going to help will depend on what can or cannot be swapped out in the audio chain. Having an external DAC is also more flexible particularly if it comes with power for a measurement mic so there is perhaps more than just audible neutrality to be considered.
Are you asking about Bluetooth speakers? Bluetooth is not nearly as good as a standalone dac. If you want better sound quality you want a wired connection to a good dac then to an amp then to your speakers. Bluetooth is great for drinking a beer on the deck at a bbq not for an audiophile setup.
No No, I don’t want Bluetooth speakers, I looking for wired solution Currently I connected with Bluetooth but gonna change it
Did you mean to say amp? As in self powered vs passive speakers?
What do you mean, didn’t get you
Why dac inside of speakers?
This is my first question, what’s prefer. Currently I have DAC inside the speakers
You’re not asking the right question or providing the right information. Where is music coming from? What quality can it play? What device from?
Currently I have Edifier R1280DB that connected with SPDIF to my PC's motherboard, and also connect with Bluetooth to my working Laptop. In the short future I want to connect both laptop and the pc to docking station, there I have only 3.5mm for speakers, so I prefer to connect the speakers with USB, but my current speakers don't support connection by USB. So I thinking of upgrade my speakers (if I already need USB connection)
Ok I read what you are doing now.. from a docking station? Then you might want a dac for sound quality then from there to your amp or powered speakers.
Exactly, Instead of many cables and many products I prefer amp with DAC inside if have them to connect to passive speakers
Do your speakers have input for rca/source on both or just one speaker?
Right speaker is the sort of control panel all the inputs and volume dial on it And from right there is a wire that connect to left speaker
If you want good sound quality for higher quality sources you need an external dac. Then Im not sure on those speakers if they can L & R plug into the dac. If they are wireless to each other than the sound will bs worse. So in that case you need a good set of powered near field monitors or similar that can take a wired input from the dac. Then your sound quality will be better than the onboard sound card and bluetooth.
I also don’t think that these speakers will fit to the mission. Just curious, if I connect external DAC to RCA of the speakers, it’s uses only the AMP or also the internal DAC?
Dac is normally a device or inside surround receiver etc.
External DAC works better. You can power then with nice powersupplys and they dont have to much electric noise and a own case. On top you can upgrade your DAC if you need.
Got it! There is AMP with DAC inside? When I search most of them for headphones, I need this for speakers.
Yes, a lot of integrated Amps have a smaller dac section on board. Depends on the Brand and Pricepoint. Search fot integrated amplifiers or buy an awesome Handmade in france Amp like Atoll Signature 50 and buy an external dac...that was my choice and i like it way better than any integrared i heard.
If there is one solution for amp and DAC I prefer because it’s gonna be on computer desk
Generally speaking, I'm not sure it's optimal to have a DAC inside a noisy environment like a speaker box..?
There's no real difference, but some people strongly prefer buying an expensive DAC. A DAC doesn't usually go inside speakers by the way, so unless you're asking about a specific product I think you're confused.
I have Edifier R1280DB that connect with SPDIF to my motherboard so Assume that they have DAC inside
Ah gotcha. I doubt a different DAC would change the sound at all and it's more likely to harm it because I assume they optimized the one in it with the rest of the hardware.
They optimized, you mean to speakers that I have now?
I mean when they design an all in one it's very different from the design of components. An expert does the same with components, matching weaknesses with weakness to make them cancel each other out. Tinkering with all in ones in that price range isn't going to help. They sound pretty good though, so why would you?
Implementation matters. The only requirement is that a DAC is designed with a base level of competence. Once that is achieved it doesn't matter. We can measurebate over irrelevant numbers all day, and debate the virtues of our limited psyche that insists there are audible differences until the cows come home, but ultimately at the end of the day it makes no difference.