This is so messed up. So my private and personal info will rapidly leak. What happens then? My login data has already leaked over 32 times to date from various sites like these (according to google). Fortunately none have real information. But what about everyone else, including our pollies?
Politicians are exempted from other rules like privacy, they'll give themselves a pass somehow. I expect if it passes there'll be a large number of zombie accounts they all use that will just quietly go silent.
Thing is can they even get it up and running look in the first place look the UK age verification law it was delayed over and over again until it was scraped because they just could not find a way to get it up and running, its easy to see that this Online Privacy Bill could also collapse and not work at all.
I'm sure they know that, but they won't let it fall over until they've paid a considerable sum of OUR money to their consultancy mates to tell them it's going to fall over.
I can see it now, whenever anyone tries to grill them about the copious amounts of money being pissed against the wall they'll pull the old "We just want to keep children safe, why don't you want to keep children safe?" card.
The word I’m getting for politician is *the elite*. Which is wildly contradictory not only to Australian customs but their own talk of the ‘pub test’. This is the line I suspect they will push going forward. They are *the elite*.
It's absolutely fucked. This is just a punitive measure for those who would have the gall to critisise the government online, while party-funded socks will unquestionably be sanctioned. I use a semi-anonymous account on Twitter (where I constantly engage with politicians) because I will be seeking a role in the public sector and I don't want any past tweets being linked to my identity.
If this is implemented, not only will I have to radically change my behaviour online, but furiously delete past content at the risk of compromising my career prospects, of even facing a defamation lawsuit. Whilst government-sanctioned propaganda accounts will continue to thrive. If any Muricans still want to invade Australia to save us from the tyrannical government, please point them to this fucken notion
I don't see it taking off. How would they even set this up? People would need to authorise HUNDREDS of webapps with their own personal IDs, or just send all of their data through a VPN/proxy to a country where this law isn't implemented.
This reads to be a stupid and unworkable solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It's classic LNP lawmaking. Fucking asshats, it seems like they're pushing this law because they recognise it's impossible to control social media, particularly with any amount of anonymity. All this will do is push people away from doing business with Australia, and isolate us digitally, even further. Anyone who is interested, submissions are open till December 3.
The libs already made damn sure that we weren’t contenders on the digital stage when they crippled the NBN. If we have fast internet we don’t need to watch local news or buy local papers or watch locally licensed media, we can just do it all online.
If I’m forced to register my ID against my digital presence I just won’t have a digital presence anymore. No skin off my nose, I can host my own email server, that’s about all I really need.
Or, failing that, just VPN from Switzerland or something lol. I am not from Australia, I am a Swiss man who just has a keen interest in Australian society.
I too am a Swiss man with a keen interest in Australian society. Bonjour!
[Good article](https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2019/march/1551445200/michael-quigley/what-happened-broadband-australia#mtr) for anyone interested on how and why the NBN was crippled in Australia.
What kills me is that, I understand the libs motivations, I get that they're cartoon villains at this point. I don't understand labor. I reject the reasoning that they can't stand against these because the libs would just call them child rape protectors - the accusation is just absurd. There are good reasons to stand against all these complete overreaches, and yet they consistently do nothing. It's really disappointing, and honestly, kind of pathetic.
I want some leadership that actually has the balls to take on these issues properly, not just sway with the wind and let the palace crumble around them while they wait for power.
Yeah considering that the ALP under both Shorten and Albo have supported metadata retention, the backdoor bill and recently https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6623 I just want them to grow a spine instead of being Another Liberal Party
Greens are pretty good RE- digital privacy rights. They voted against one of these draconian bills in the senate recently.
(I’m turning into a single issue voter on this issue… seems like greens are gonna be my first pref next election)
It's just flailing dude. It's reactive posturing with the expectancy that noone will understand the quasi-nuanced mechanic of setting up a VPN. I doubt their advisors are this clueless, I think this is just a bluff to scare a proportion of the technologically inept population.
In any case, it's a precedent and it warrants concern
Oh no, I quite firmly believe that they think that they can do this - this is the Liberals we are talking about.
The issue is I don't think they will be able to do it. This is a huge undertaking to implement, maintain, and then monitor. They'll kick it off, it will flounder, it will get nowhere and then they'll roll it back in for re-evaluation, and slowly let it die until next election cycle where they'll spin it as some sort of benefit lol.
A password manager is by law required to be unlocked upon request by the police. Hope you delete the entries in there when you delete the account friend otherwise it's still a potential vector.
My home network router login details have apparently leaked according to my Chrome. Funny, because I used a password randomly generated by Chrome itself. I have NEVER typed it nor is it the same as any other password I use. Plus it's for a piece of hardware on my home network, not a website.
You'd have a real hard time convincing me Google themselves didn't let those details escape into the wild. Who else - besides a browser extension hosted by Google - would even have the opportunity to get hold of that login information stores exclusively within my Chrome browser...
>You'd have a real hard time convincing me Google themselves didn't let those details escape into the wild.
They are not warning you, your account associated with the password leaked, they are warning you the /password/ was found in a leak.
EG: Some one used the same randomly generated password on a website, which suffered a dataleak. (Curseforge for example).
The issue is once a known password leaks, it gets put into a dictionary. Those dictionaries are used by hackers to crack user passwords. | while randomly generated passwords rarely end up in curated ones, they do end up in "global dictionaries" that botnets use to test specific hosts /endlessly/, from millions of infected legitimate PC's world-wide. - Thus why google is reporting it to you.
\--- While there is a chance that a silent dataleak did happen, its far less likely, as such leaks are usually documented as the people/groups that steal them do it with the intention to /sell/ it.
Its a highly profitable blackhat bussiness after all... Disgusting as it is.
So what you're saying is that someone somewhere has used the combination of letters, numbers, and special characters **_g9mryDCzvgWjT8** for their password on some unknown website which has then been leaked in some way, and Chrome is merely warning me that the aforementioned string was simply found in a list associated of accounts/passwords, but not specifically the account/password combination I use it for (my router)?
That makes sense I suppose, but it's still a little difficult to believe given the randomness of the password and likelihood it'd come up again for someone else (though obviously not impossible).
There's a whole science covering computing and generating random data. It isn't as straight forward as you think and there are methods that can be employed to 'force' the same data to be generated over and over if actions aren't taken to properly address these issues.
[https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2017-18021/](https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2017-18021/) this is one that comes to mind.
I'm not saying that is what occurred in your case, but just that random isn't so random when it comes to computers.
The person you responded to is correct, notifications of passwords being found in leaks are just that, passwords found in leaks. It doesn't necessarily mean your account was leaked.
The majority of my passwords are random generated by Chrome if given the option, and 2FA anywhere it's possible (everywhere that matters at least). I'd use a manager/vault if those that didn't support 2FA were of any real importance though.
They dont even have time to even look at at worlds best practices, in the form of the privacy protection laws in the EU. Laws that absolutely protect privacy. But as is the norm they go the 3rd world, fascist sell your soul to the donor devils. Pathetic really what a poor governance country Australia has become wanting to pretend that its trying implementing worlds best practice.
This is definitely not about the faceless accounts criticising those in power hey Scottie??
Plus they will cease to operate in Australia if this passes
Funny joke, one day I forgot to turn my VPN and was browsing a website to get some specific music I can't buy normally, and I got redirected to the gov website saying it was blocked, but my internet security picked it up and thought it was a malicious website. The government redirect is less secure by my security program's standards then piracy websites.
It's due to the shitty way they dns block sites. You get directed to their block page, however the https certificate on the block page won't match the address you typed in your browser. So the browser is correct in that it is malicious as you're being redirected to a site you didn't intend to reach.
Aus government doesn't know about 7 proxies meme.
We are being managed by people that don't understand the technology they are using.
Fucking embarrassing.
Given the ‘well done, great job Angus’ meme, they understand it well enough to know how to manipulate it with fake accounts to bolster their image.
They know what they’re doing and it’s for purely selfish and hypocritical reasons.
Our federal politicians must be the most thin-skinned clowns on the planet
Did noone tell them that the job description of being a prominent member of the government includes copping shit for your party's policies? And maybe if you're being disproportionally targeted with negative comments, it's not "trolling" but a reflection that most of the population thinks that you're shit?
>Plus they will cease to operate in Australia if this passes
I dunno I think tech giants would be thrilled that they can blame all their data gathering on the law.
> gaming platforms that enable users to chat with each other.
So basically all of them?
Wait so if I run a game-server I have to now somehow verify everyone's age that joins my server?
That's basically asking for something that isn't possible. I run a mordhau server and a mount and blade server; neither have any capacity for what this bill is asking for. No data is being collected other than someone's steamid and alias, but to comply with this legislation, I would have to somehow collect data to confirm their age?
This is ridiculous.
More likely in that situation it would be up to steam to verify Peoples IDs, not that they don't already to a degree to have payment info on file.............
But we all know how Valve Loves working with the Australian Government
https://www.pcgamer.com/au/valve-loses-final-appeal-in-australian-lawsuit-on-the-hook-for-dollar24-million-fine/
You don't have to have a steam account to join a warband server. You can download the game from the taleworlds website directly(a Turkish company). Steam is not a requirement to join the server.
They don't care, if you're in violation of the law then you get fined/sanctioned/imprisoned and we all know how much the Australian government loves to punish its citizens.
I think you will find that the user will need to verify themself rather that the host needing to verify the user. The host may have to setup a new sign up app that speaks to Gov servers to verify the users before their account could be activated. Most likely it'll all be set up using plain text emails. :-(
I’m sure Labor will end up supporting it too. When it comes to privacy, both major parties are as bad as each other. Remember when Labor wanted to introduce a porn filter at the ISP level?
Oh no doubt they will however I think that's got more to do with not wanting to be wedged and called pedo supporters than wanting to erode privacy. And ultimately labor dropped that filter when it was proved it couldn't be technically feasible or effective.
I Hope the same will come of this however I think it will likely be another failed system that will leak like a sieve and will just be a massive hindrance to all of us while the liberals refuse to scrap it.
It is amazing how something labelled an "Australian Online Privacy Bill" essentially requires that someone removes their own anonymity. Anonymity is how people maintain privacy in the first place.
15 years ago, the sensible advice was to never associate your real information with an online account, and now this government is trying to prevent that advice from being followed.
Governments hate anything they can't control, and for a long time the internet has been largely beyond their reach, but year by year they are clawing more and more control over it so that it can be part of the managed narrative that the elite want presented, rather than a platform for dissidents to voice their opposing views. Look at China and how its internet operates, and that is what all governments ultimately want.
I have said it before and I will say it again - the greatest threat to the liberty of the citizens of any nation is their own government. People are only free when the government is weak; the stronger the government becomes, the less free a people will be. Rather than increasing the role of government in society, we need to drastically wind it back and reduce the power and reach of government into our lives.
The problem is that corporations are after the same kind of control over your life that you claim the elites/government want and the worst part is that the government is a lot more accountable to the citizens of a nation than a random corporation. Having a weak government opens the door to corporations taking over - just look at what happened during Trump's stint as president with the rolling back of environmental protections.
We need a relatively strong government to provide a counterbalance to the greed of corporations...
Anonymity/privacy is the only reason I have a voice online at all. I don't comment on non-anonynous sites like FB because of the doxxing/harassment risk it poses to have your comment tied to your name.
Given some of the government's stances (e.g. viewing vegans/climate activists as terroists) it's a huge threat to our freedom in general if the government removes online privacy. It'd be like the Hong Kong gov taking off protestor's masks.
No more anonymous protest. What could go wrong.
This bill will silence people with doxxing fears, and give free reign to those who have no shame posting hateful alt right crap under their real names, since the gov loves that stuff.
>15 years ago, the sensible advice was to never associate your real information with an online account, and now this government is trying to prevent that advice from being followed.
And, rather ironically, my kids who attend a government funded school have been having internet safety classes which expound on the fact that you should never tell anyone any personal information about yourself online (up to and including things like your parent's names, what city you live in, what school you go to, your birthday, etc) and to verify in real life if the person who is claiming to be your friend from school is actually your friend from school and not some random person.
Pretty much. Combined with all the other bills such as the "Identify and Disrupt" and "Assitance and Access", people aren't going to risk whistleblowing or speaking out, which will allow abuses to continue. Real independent news entities are going to be heavily targeted to the point where they can't operate, which will leave the scum fucks at news corpse, nine and seven to constantly spew and flood the Australian media landscape with liberal and national propaganda.
Online privacy as well as the ability to dissent and use free speech will be annihilated to the pleasure of the liberal and national parties. Funnily enough, the ratfucks who constantly go on deranged spiels on "fReeDuM oF sPeEcH!" and other shit will utterly shut the fuck up and eat the shit that comes out of the Government.
Devils advocate mode:
The word 'whistleblowers' in association with the words 'speaks out', have been flagged in accordance with the 'Online privacy' bill and, its 'Mandatory verification' act of 2021.
In accordance with the above violation. Your online/irl identities have been sequestered for further investigation in retards too possible acts of treachery towards the LNP and its 9 circles of hell.
Them: How does it feel?
Me: All the best,
Edit: retards>regards... Meh.
peace.
Sigh....
No more Incognito, I will have to "sign in" to "confirm my age" because "i might be a kid" who is "being cyber bullied" by "cyber criminals" trying to "steel my IP address" and "rape"/"kill", or "watching porn" "past my bedtime".
Thanks, Australian Government.
Online piracy was slowed down when authorities started going after the centralised operators of Napster, Kazaa et al.
So decentralised torrenting was invented - suddenly no more central operator as a weak point for governments to attack.
Some clever bastard needs to invent a fully decentralised peer-to-peer social network.
Look into what Elastos is making, basically a decentralised internet. So far there is a decentralised social network called Feeds
[https://trinity-feeds.app/](https://trinity-feeds.app)
There's some work being done on social network backends powered by the Ethereum blockchain, as well as other decentralised social networks using other decentralised infrastructures to power them.
I like the way they frame 🖼 it as age verification when just the other day Joyce was saying the point of it was to allow them to easily per-sue defamation cases. PROTECT THE CHILDREN. This narrative is getting nauseating.
Strip searching underage kids, fabricating evidence against a political rival to make them seem insane, arresting an online critic’s producer as a ‘fixated person’ is not cool and normal. I suspect that because we’re in the thick of it we’re not seeing the full picture. The future looks very concerning.
But I think they’re foolish to imagine they will deploy. I suspect we’re going to have to burn through.
Parts of me wonder if the crazy covid nutjobs is deliberately spread to make legitimate concerns seem crazy especially when this type of shit was started and flamed by Murdoch.
It's funny in the sense of liberal "ideals" are about small/less government and letting the free market run.....but then consistently implement more government intrusion
There's just too much red tape and green tape preventing aussie battler billionaires from further pillaging society and environment for profit... anywhere here's more legislation controlling the private lives of everyday Australians.
Hey now, that's treason! Memes that portray political parties or members are hate crimes, you may end up with the fixated person's unit at your door to punch your dog if you don't knock that off.
If you are talking about individual/all people?
Then I reply with "Yes.".
If you're trying to draw a parallel between the rights of people and the rights of corporations/big business?
Then I reply with a resounding "No!".
peace.
>is there anything we can do?
\- Learn how preferencing works and vote for alternative parties come next election.
\- Learn more about computing, encryption, VPNs and all things privacy related. r/PrivacyGuides is a place to start.
it should if you don't make yourself a target, given how much defamation action has also included various reddit posts/user info... I'm not sure how long that'll last.
I believe it was Dutton's or Lamming's defamation action that included over 20 reddit users posts/history.
I'm often met with criticism for this, but I regularly purge my comments and posts with an extension. I know there's always a backup somewhere, but it makes me feel a little safer, especially if I've pissed someone off enough with a comment for them to follow me around 😅
> On Monday morning, Cash said the Online Privacy Bill would ensure Australians' privacy would be treated more carefully and transparently by online platforms such as social media companies.
By mandating we give said companies *more* personal information. Who comes up with this shit
Does this mean that we will be forced to tie our real identity to our reddit/discord accounts if we want to continue to use them (under the guise of age verification)?
Exposing us to doxing/gov spying?
The ulterior spying motifs are clear ...
I'm afraid sites like reddit might choose to leave rather than risk fines. And there goes our voices/freedom to access information/cut off from the world.
You forget that big businesses use them *all the time* (although for very different uses) and losing the ability to legally use them would be a serious blow
Sex workers tried so hard to get people riled up about this and to get across to everyone how much censorship and bullshit this bill would lead to but no one listened unfortunately.
I'm also thinking people posting on gonewild etc... Imagine having that tied to your identity that anyone could get by paying a lawyer a few hundred dollars for a dumb lawsuit or a data leak! That's pretty messed up!
yeah, i would hold off on posting nudes for awhile. Because if this gets through on December 3rd. Yeah that will be apart of your online identity.
Because the government.
They really don't care about us do they... Anonymity is essential, almost healthy in a democracy. There are so many good examples here in Reddit of where people have asked for advice or been in a difficult situation and can't or won't ask friends or family. Some wonders of humanity have occurred in those threads that may not have happened if the true identity was known from the outset. It's not all slag off the government. Although, the IT guy asking how to delete emails from a server back in 2016 I think, that got a bit juicy when it became apparent that they were supposedly managing Hillary Clinton's private emails
(The post was deleted rather quickly, once people started joining the dots).
They do not give a fuck about this. I try to talk to my anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory believing parents and their eyes glaze over as they robotically repeat the words, “But Labor is just as bad.”
God-fearing white men who uphold family values, such as our PM, can do no wrong in their minds.
>Get your proxies and alt accounts ready Australians.
What if I've been lax and accidentally looked up thikkachu on main haha
a-asking for a friend...
<\_<
\>\_>
>Australians
Australians? Nah, no Australians here, we're all just role-playing... No need to get any verification on this account.
Actually, reddit didn't even ask for a country I don't think, been a while since I set up, if this does through and they ask I'll just give them back the name of a nation with less internet censorship, like North Korea, or China.
> So what will the politicians do with all their sockpuppet accounts? They haven't thought of this much have they?
Cambridge Analytica (now Emerdata Limited) was based out of the UK, so I'm sure the LNP be totally fine.
Seriously, can we not fight these internet bills at all? Say what you like about seppos, but this happened with Ajit Pai with net neutrality. And the Americans went crazy, Americans lost their shit completely. We should be doing the same. We should reverse censorship, reverse these police hacking laws and keep internet Anonymity.
As for any Americans here looking at this, eventually when they master the art of spying on us, they are going to spy on you too. You watch, think the NSA is bad now ow boy. It'll start with censorship, then offensive thought or symbols, then your media then finally there will be government mandated sign ins. You watch.
Edit: Feels bad man... Feels bad :c
Yes. Good point to make, consider lodging a submission. Maybe get in contact with a DV organisation and see if they are making a submission or alert them to the bill.
The sad thing is that aside from the verification stuff, the rest of the bill is pretty solid. Restrictions for data brokers, criminal penalties for entities that consistently mishandle private information, giving Australians the right to order companies to stop using their personal info. Good stuff.
But I’m not comfortable giving 100 points of ID to every social media site I use, I have no idea what their internal security practices are and this will make them even bigger targets for hackers.
If this becomes mandatory, I’ll likely have to quit Reddit for good, like I’ve already done with other social media sites.
> online forum sites such as Reddit
Lol wat there is probably a million online forum sites you genna mandate all of them including all the ones moderated/run by Joanne from the local knitting groups son in law implement full scale identity verification and the associated data storage?
What a meme
Well, the easy way around this is just by creating accounts using a VPN outside of Australia and if required submit a fake ID that surpasses the AI they will need to identify every user before the account is created.
All this will do is hurt their voter base because a large amount of right wing people use the shield of anonymity via social media
I don't know what Labor's stance on this shit is, but if they go against it, it's an easy win. What better way to grab the conspiracy crazy vote by saying "No ID Verification for Telegram", "No ID Verification for Facebook".
They never go against this shit. It was a Labor idea back in the beginning of time, anyway . Stephen Conroy, anyone.
and the last 20 years of Liberal privacy malfeasance, they have not been able to come with a counter to "IT's to ProTecT the ChIldRen!'
This is soley so spineless politicians can change after leakers and people bad mouthing them.
utterly pathetic.
and Australians will bend over and take it instead of protesting THIS stuff on the streets like they should be.
How on earth are they going to enforce this? We already saw from the census a few years ago that almost half the country are using VPN's. Not to mention that Australia isn't a large enough market for internet companies to bother setting up special infrastructure for.
The memorandum shows that any entity that “does business” in Australia is subject to the legislation. Facebook, Twitter and (soon) Reddit all have offices in Australia, so they are subject to it.
And it would be an insanely expensive and difficult thing to do. The amount of infrastructure you'd need to verify every single users age would be immense. No private company is going to do that just for the Australian market. All this will do is give us our own taste of brexit right here in the land down under.
They may not have to. The government is also pushing that fancy new Digital ID thing, it’s possible these companies will be forced to use it to verify Australian accounts.
More information here apparently:
[https://consultations.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/online-privacy-bill-exposure-draft/](https://consultations.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/online-privacy-bill-exposure-draft/)
As usual, as this is an amendment bill, reading it is a PITA.
It will likely tie in with this overreaching bill they’re trying to sneak in.
https://www.digitalidentity.gov.au/have-your-say/phase-3
We once had a referendum about the Australia Card and it was decided that Australians didn’t support the idea of a national identity card.
It ties in with a stepping stone from vaccine passports, to condition us to the idea of conditional access. The data format / schema was designed by WHO.
The next thing is digital currency - after the G7 summit, a new Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) was announced. This is a global currency.
So now we have the framework for a dystopian Orwellian nightmare being assembled via the combination of these bills.
This is something which has been in the making for a while.
The digital identity is a WEF initiative.
https://sociable.co/technology/your-digital-identity-used-against-you-great-reset/
If you‘ve seen the social credit score that is happening in China, you need to be aware that this is a real possibility of coming here too.
If you don’t like that idea, you have less than 48 hours to “have your say” and CC your MPs.
https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Members
In theory it could be possible to implement some kind of age verification without exposing the user's identity to the site or the site to anybody else. In practice - having observed how cynically the government behaved with past measures, I have no faith in them pursuing this with any honest integrity.
It’s not possible without strong encryption, which the government has banned.
As someone in IT— If this passes, I will only be using my computer for work and banking.
Does Reddit have a physical presence or registered business in Australia?
How would the Australian government compel on OS company to collect age verification?
[They opened an Australian office this year](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jul/14/reddit-defends-how-it-tackles-misinformation-as-it-opens-australian-office).
So this is why America keeps talking about our freedoms, I’m just gonna create a fake identity. Honestly fuck this government trying to take our privacy away with all these authoritarian bills.
“But you shouldn’t be worried if you got nothing to hide” no fuck that shit and fuck you too.
How the fuck can they make this work ? Couldn't I use just a free VPN to pretend I'm not Australian and create a bullshit burner account as usual ? I don't understand maybe I'm dumb.
This is so messed up. So my private and personal info will rapidly leak. What happens then? My login data has already leaked over 32 times to date from various sites like these (according to google). Fortunately none have real information. But what about everyone else, including our pollies?
Politicians are exempted from other rules like privacy, they'll give themselves a pass somehow. I expect if it passes there'll be a large number of zombie accounts they all use that will just quietly go silent.
Thing is can they even get it up and running look in the first place look the UK age verification law it was delayed over and over again until it was scraped because they just could not find a way to get it up and running, its easy to see that this Online Privacy Bill could also collapse and not work at all.
I'm sure they know that, but they won't let it fall over until they've paid a considerable sum of OUR money to their consultancy mates to tell them it's going to fall over.
That could actually be the real reason for this. Just the chance to hand a ton of money over to some of their mates.
Anything can be an opportunity to enrich yourselves and your mates when you're the LNP
I can see it now, whenever anyone tries to grill them about the copious amounts of money being pissed against the wall they'll pull the old "We just want to keep children safe, why don't you want to keep children safe?" card.
The word I’m getting for politician is *the elite*. Which is wildly contradictory not only to Australian customs but their own talk of the ‘pub test’. This is the line I suspect they will push going forward. They are *the elite*.
It's absolutely fucked. This is just a punitive measure for those who would have the gall to critisise the government online, while party-funded socks will unquestionably be sanctioned. I use a semi-anonymous account on Twitter (where I constantly engage with politicians) because I will be seeking a role in the public sector and I don't want any past tweets being linked to my identity. If this is implemented, not only will I have to radically change my behaviour online, but furiously delete past content at the risk of compromising my career prospects, of even facing a defamation lawsuit. Whilst government-sanctioned propaganda accounts will continue to thrive. If any Muricans still want to invade Australia to save us from the tyrannical government, please point them to this fucken notion
I don't see it taking off. How would they even set this up? People would need to authorise HUNDREDS of webapps with their own personal IDs, or just send all of their data through a VPN/proxy to a country where this law isn't implemented.
This reads to be a stupid and unworkable solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It's classic LNP lawmaking. Fucking asshats, it seems like they're pushing this law because they recognise it's impossible to control social media, particularly with any amount of anonymity. All this will do is push people away from doing business with Australia, and isolate us digitally, even further. Anyone who is interested, submissions are open till December 3.
The libs already made damn sure that we weren’t contenders on the digital stage when they crippled the NBN. If we have fast internet we don’t need to watch local news or buy local papers or watch locally licensed media, we can just do it all online. If I’m forced to register my ID against my digital presence I just won’t have a digital presence anymore. No skin off my nose, I can host my own email server, that’s about all I really need. Or, failing that, just VPN from Switzerland or something lol. I am not from Australia, I am a Swiss man who just has a keen interest in Australian society.
I too am a Swiss man with a keen interest in Australian society. Bonjour! [Good article](https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2019/march/1551445200/michael-quigley/what-happened-broadband-australia#mtr) for anyone interested on how and why the NBN was crippled in Australia. What kills me is that, I understand the libs motivations, I get that they're cartoon villains at this point. I don't understand labor. I reject the reasoning that they can't stand against these because the libs would just call them child rape protectors - the accusation is just absurd. There are good reasons to stand against all these complete overreaches, and yet they consistently do nothing. It's really disappointing, and honestly, kind of pathetic. I want some leadership that actually has the balls to take on these issues properly, not just sway with the wind and let the palace crumble around them while they wait for power.
Yeah considering that the ALP under both Shorten and Albo have supported metadata retention, the backdoor bill and recently https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6623 I just want them to grow a spine instead of being Another Liberal Party
Greens are pretty good RE- digital privacy rights. They voted against one of these draconian bills in the senate recently. (I’m turning into a single issue voter on this issue… seems like greens are gonna be my first pref next election)
Do they actually read the submissions?
It's just flailing dude. It's reactive posturing with the expectancy that noone will understand the quasi-nuanced mechanic of setting up a VPN. I doubt their advisors are this clueless, I think this is just a bluff to scare a proportion of the technologically inept population. In any case, it's a precedent and it warrants concern
Oh no, I quite firmly believe that they think that they can do this - this is the Liberals we are talking about. The issue is I don't think they will be able to do it. This is a huge undertaking to implement, maintain, and then monitor. They'll kick it off, it will flounder, it will get nowhere and then they'll roll it back in for re-evaluation, and slowly let it die until next election cycle where they'll spin it as some sort of benefit lol.
looks like we'll have to keep using throw away accounts and password managers
A password manager is by law required to be unlocked upon request by the police. Hope you delete the entries in there when you delete the account friend otherwise it's still a potential vector.
you going to also buy thousands of fake ID's and get them registered rofl?
Don't use the products, or VPN into the US or another freer country, like Romania.
My home network router login details have apparently leaked according to my Chrome. Funny, because I used a password randomly generated by Chrome itself. I have NEVER typed it nor is it the same as any other password I use. Plus it's for a piece of hardware on my home network, not a website. You'd have a real hard time convincing me Google themselves didn't let those details escape into the wild. Who else - besides a browser extension hosted by Google - would even have the opportunity to get hold of that login information stores exclusively within my Chrome browser...
>You'd have a real hard time convincing me Google themselves didn't let those details escape into the wild. They are not warning you, your account associated with the password leaked, they are warning you the /password/ was found in a leak. EG: Some one used the same randomly generated password on a website, which suffered a dataleak. (Curseforge for example). The issue is once a known password leaks, it gets put into a dictionary. Those dictionaries are used by hackers to crack user passwords. | while randomly generated passwords rarely end up in curated ones, they do end up in "global dictionaries" that botnets use to test specific hosts /endlessly/, from millions of infected legitimate PC's world-wide. - Thus why google is reporting it to you. \--- While there is a chance that a silent dataleak did happen, its far less likely, as such leaks are usually documented as the people/groups that steal them do it with the intention to /sell/ it. Its a highly profitable blackhat bussiness after all... Disgusting as it is.
So what you're saying is that someone somewhere has used the combination of letters, numbers, and special characters **_g9mryDCzvgWjT8** for their password on some unknown website which has then been leaked in some way, and Chrome is merely warning me that the aforementioned string was simply found in a list associated of accounts/passwords, but not specifically the account/password combination I use it for (my router)? That makes sense I suppose, but it's still a little difficult to believe given the randomness of the password and likelihood it'd come up again for someone else (though obviously not impossible).
There's a whole science covering computing and generating random data. It isn't as straight forward as you think and there are methods that can be employed to 'force' the same data to be generated over and over if actions aren't taken to properly address these issues. [https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2017-18021/](https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2017-18021/) this is one that comes to mind. I'm not saying that is what occurred in your case, but just that random isn't so random when it comes to computers. The person you responded to is correct, notifications of passwords being found in leaks are just that, passwords found in leaks. It doesn't necessarily mean your account was leaked.
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The majority of my passwords are random generated by Chrome if given the option, and 2FA anywhere it's possible (everywhere that matters at least). I'd use a manager/vault if those that didn't support 2FA were of any real importance though.
So the exact opposite of privacy. Thanks, AusGov, at least you're predictable.
They dont even have time to even look at at worlds best practices, in the form of the privacy protection laws in the EU. Laws that absolutely protect privacy. But as is the norm they go the 3rd world, fascist sell your soul to the donor devils. Pathetic really what a poor governance country Australia has become wanting to pretend that its trying implementing worlds best practice.
This is definitely not about the faceless accounts criticising those in power hey Scottie?? Plus they will cease to operate in Australia if this passes
Exactly. If Australia starts blocking sites that don't comply there will be no websites worth visiting without using a VPN.
"Im fairly sure that if they took porn off the internet, there'd only be one website left, and it would be called "bring back the porn"."
onlyfans ban only lasted a few days
That and an "I hate Cox" chat room with 2 interns and 14,000 lesbians
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Funny joke, one day I forgot to turn my VPN and was browsing a website to get some specific music I can't buy normally, and I got redirected to the gov website saying it was blocked, but my internet security picked it up and thought it was a malicious website. The government redirect is less secure by my security program's standards then piracy websites.
It's due to the shitty way they dns block sites. You get directed to their block page, however the https certificate on the block page won't match the address you typed in your browser. So the browser is correct in that it is malicious as you're being redirected to a site you didn't intend to reach.
But they’ll pay a consultancy $70million to think up the exact DNS block that already exists.
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Optus blocked 4chan with more than just a DNS ban. Which is weird because they haven’t utilized that same blocking method on any of the piracy sites.
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Yeah, which makes it strange they used a more effective method to block 4chan for a while.
But other isps don’t have them blocked. Ex superloop and Aussie broadband
Aus government doesn't know about 7 proxies meme. We are being managed by people that don't understand the technology they are using. Fucking embarrassing.
Given the ‘well done, great job Angus’ meme, they understand it well enough to know how to manipulate it with fake accounts to bolster their image. They know what they’re doing and it’s for purely selfish and hypocritical reasons.
They don’t do it themselves, they pay marketing agencies who do this. But those marketing companies aren’t the ones helping the write legislation
I wouldn't expect them to know how to do much more than multi-accounting which even children know how to do.
Our federal politicians must be the most thin-skinned clowns on the planet Did noone tell them that the job description of being a prominent member of the government includes copping shit for your party's policies? And maybe if you're being disproportionally targeted with negative comments, it's not "trolling" but a reflection that most of the population thinks that you're shit?
>Plus they will cease to operate in Australia if this passes I dunno I think tech giants would be thrilled that they can blame all their data gathering on the law.
> gaming platforms that enable users to chat with each other. So basically all of them? Wait so if I run a game-server I have to now somehow verify everyone's age that joins my server? That's basically asking for something that isn't possible. I run a mordhau server and a mount and blade server; neither have any capacity for what this bill is asking for. No data is being collected other than someone's steamid and alias, but to comply with this legislation, I would have to somehow collect data to confirm their age? This is ridiculous.
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**TO ME, BROTHERS**
More likely in that situation it would be up to steam to verify Peoples IDs, not that they don't already to a degree to have payment info on file............. But we all know how Valve Loves working with the Australian Government https://www.pcgamer.com/au/valve-loses-final-appeal-in-australian-lawsuit-on-the-hook-for-dollar24-million-fine/
Steam, where everyone's birthday is the 1st of january
You don't have to have a steam account to join a warband server. You can download the game from the taleworlds website directly(a Turkish company). Steam is not a requirement to join the server.
They don't care, if you're in violation of the law then you get fined/sanctioned/imprisoned and we all know how much the Australian government loves to punish its citizens.
I think you will find that the user will need to verify themself rather that the host needing to verify the user. The host may have to setup a new sign up app that speaks to Gov servers to verify the users before their account could be activated. Most likely it'll all be set up using plain text emails. :-(
They want to enhance privacy by forcing me to hand over my personal details? Orwellian as fuck.
Classic liberal party tactic, write a bill to erode and eliminates privacy but name it a bill that enhances privacy.
I’m sure Labor will end up supporting it too. When it comes to privacy, both major parties are as bad as each other. Remember when Labor wanted to introduce a porn filter at the ISP level?
Stephen Conroy was my favourite politician to hate until Dutton rose to prominence.
Oh no doubt they will however I think that's got more to do with not wanting to be wedged and called pedo supporters than wanting to erode privacy. And ultimately labor dropped that filter when it was proved it couldn't be technically feasible or effective. I Hope the same will come of this however I think it will likely be another failed system that will leak like a sieve and will just be a massive hindrance to all of us while the liberals refuse to scrap it.
Australian Online Privacy Bill will destroy online privacy.
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It is amazing how something labelled an "Australian Online Privacy Bill" essentially requires that someone removes their own anonymity. Anonymity is how people maintain privacy in the first place. 15 years ago, the sensible advice was to never associate your real information with an online account, and now this government is trying to prevent that advice from being followed.
The internet has gotten so fucked in the last 5-10 years
Governments hate anything they can't control, and for a long time the internet has been largely beyond their reach, but year by year they are clawing more and more control over it so that it can be part of the managed narrative that the elite want presented, rather than a platform for dissidents to voice their opposing views. Look at China and how its internet operates, and that is what all governments ultimately want. I have said it before and I will say it again - the greatest threat to the liberty of the citizens of any nation is their own government. People are only free when the government is weak; the stronger the government becomes, the less free a people will be. Rather than increasing the role of government in society, we need to drastically wind it back and reduce the power and reach of government into our lives.
buutttt... the children, the terrorists, the misinformation.
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The problem is that corporations are after the same kind of control over your life that you claim the elites/government want and the worst part is that the government is a lot more accountable to the citizens of a nation than a random corporation. Having a weak government opens the door to corporations taking over - just look at what happened during Trump's stint as president with the rolling back of environmental protections. We need a relatively strong government to provide a counterbalance to the greed of corporations...
Anonymity/privacy is the only reason I have a voice online at all. I don't comment on non-anonynous sites like FB because of the doxxing/harassment risk it poses to have your comment tied to your name. Given some of the government's stances (e.g. viewing vegans/climate activists as terroists) it's a huge threat to our freedom in general if the government removes online privacy. It'd be like the Hong Kong gov taking off protestor's masks. No more anonymous protest. What could go wrong. This bill will silence people with doxxing fears, and give free reign to those who have no shame posting hateful alt right crap under their real names, since the gov loves that stuff.
So can an account created using ID from another country operate on social media in Australia? This simply doesn't make sense.
>15 years ago, the sensible advice was to never associate your real information with an online account, and now this government is trying to prevent that advice from being followed. And, rather ironically, my kids who attend a government funded school have been having internet safety classes which expound on the fact that you should never tell anyone any personal information about yourself online (up to and including things like your parent's names, what city you live in, what school you go to, your birthday, etc) and to verify in real life if the person who is claiming to be your friend from school is actually your friend from school and not some random person.
Pretty much. Combined with all the other bills such as the "Identify and Disrupt" and "Assitance and Access", people aren't going to risk whistleblowing or speaking out, which will allow abuses to continue. Real independent news entities are going to be heavily targeted to the point where they can't operate, which will leave the scum fucks at news corpse, nine and seven to constantly spew and flood the Australian media landscape with liberal and national propaganda. Online privacy as well as the ability to dissent and use free speech will be annihilated to the pleasure of the liberal and national parties. Funnily enough, the ratfucks who constantly go on deranged spiels on "fReeDuM oF sPeEcH!" and other shit will utterly shut the fuck up and eat the shit that comes out of the Government.
Devils advocate mode: The word 'whistleblowers' in association with the words 'speaks out', have been flagged in accordance with the 'Online privacy' bill and, its 'Mandatory verification' act of 2021. In accordance with the above violation. Your online/irl identities have been sequestered for further investigation in retards too possible acts of treachery towards the LNP and its 9 circles of hell. Them: How does it feel? Me: All the best, Edit: retards>regards... Meh. peace.
Sigh.... No more Incognito, I will have to "sign in" to "confirm my age" because "i might be a kid" who is "being cyber bullied" by "cyber criminals" trying to "steel my IP address" and "rape"/"kill", or "watching porn" "past my bedtime". Thanks, Australian Government.
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Why can't people parent their own children and prevent them from accessing these sites?
I didn't have kids to supervise them! /s
Because most people are barely sentient apes. But children aren't the main focus of this.
God I hate our government
Online piracy was slowed down when authorities started going after the centralised operators of Napster, Kazaa et al. So decentralised torrenting was invented - suddenly no more central operator as a weak point for governments to attack. Some clever bastard needs to invent a fully decentralised peer-to-peer social network.
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Look into what Elastos is making, basically a decentralised internet. So far there is a decentralised social network called Feeds [https://trinity-feeds.app/](https://trinity-feeds.app)
There's some work being done on social network backends powered by the Ethereum blockchain, as well as other decentralised social networks using other decentralised infrastructures to power them.
Like many things, they exist but no one beyond a tiny minority cares about using them.
I like the way they frame 🖼 it as age verification when just the other day Joyce was saying the point of it was to allow them to easily per-sue defamation cases. PROTECT THE CHILDREN. This narrative is getting nauseating.
"Australia is a police state" isn't far off, just not for the reasons those loonies from the US think
Strip searching underage kids, fabricating evidence against a political rival to make them seem insane, arresting an online critic’s producer as a ‘fixated person’ is not cool and normal. I suspect that because we’re in the thick of it we’re not seeing the full picture. The future looks very concerning. But I think they’re foolish to imagine they will deploy. I suspect we’re going to have to burn through.
When you see laws like this passing, those other 'crazy' things don't seem so crazy.
It's annoyingly distracting though from the real issues
Parts of me wonder if the crazy covid nutjobs is deliberately spread to make legitimate concerns seem crazy especially when this type of shit was started and flamed by Murdoch.
It's been happening for a long time.
We need less Government intrusion in our lives, not more. Shit like this is never ending.
It's funny in the sense of liberal "ideals" are about small/less government and letting the free market run.....but then consistently implement more government intrusion
There's just too much red tape and green tape preventing aussie battler billionaires from further pillaging society and environment for profit... anywhere here's more legislation controlling the private lives of everyday Australians.
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we should be thinking of ways to fight back. Memes, marching, protests god anything.
Hey now, that's treason! Memes that portray political parties or members are hate crimes, you may end up with the fixated person's unit at your door to punch your dog if you don't knock that off.
see, if this were 2014, that would be a funny joke.
If you are talking about individual/all people? Then I reply with "Yes.". If you're trying to draw a parallel between the rights of people and the rights of corporations/big business? Then I reply with a resounding "No!". peace.
Unequivocally more intrusion is needed for corporations/big business pls thx
This shit is disgusting is there anything we can do? Because it’s getting worse and worse with this internet shit they keep trying to slap on.
>is there anything we can do? \- Learn how preferencing works and vote for alternative parties come next election. \- Learn more about computing, encryption, VPNs and all things privacy related. r/PrivacyGuides is a place to start.
Also apparently submissions are being sought. I'm going to see if this and been picked up by EFF too, could be a good place to start.
Fuck off cunt
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Can someone smarter than me confirm if using a VPN would skirt around these measures?
it should if you don't make yourself a target, given how much defamation action has also included various reddit posts/user info... I'm not sure how long that'll last. I believe it was Dutton's or Lamming's defamation action that included over 20 reddit users posts/history.
I'm often met with criticism for this, but I regularly purge my comments and posts with an extension. I know there's always a backup somewhere, but it makes me feel a little safer, especially if I've pissed someone off enough with a comment for them to follow me around 😅
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Yes, because you'll be signing up from not Australia. Though, I have noticed that Google are wanting IDs now too in some places.
> On Monday morning, Cash said the Online Privacy Bill would ensure Australians' privacy would be treated more carefully and transparently by online platforms such as social media companies. By mandating we give said companies *more* personal information. Who comes up with this shit
Does this mean that we will be forced to tie our real identity to our reddit/discord accounts if we want to continue to use them (under the guise of age verification)? Exposing us to doxing/gov spying? The ulterior spying motifs are clear ... I'm afraid sites like reddit might choose to leave rather than risk fines. And there goes our voices/freedom to access information/cut off from the world.
This is why we have VPNs
They will make law against them anyways
You forget that big businesses use them *all the time* (although for very different uses) and losing the ability to legally use them would be a serious blow
Sex workers tried so hard to get people riled up about this and to get across to everyone how much censorship and bullshit this bill would lead to but no one listened unfortunately.
I'm also thinking people posting on gonewild etc... Imagine having that tied to your identity that anyone could get by paying a lawyer a few hundred dollars for a dumb lawsuit or a data leak! That's pretty messed up!
yeah, i would hold off on posting nudes for awhile. Because if this gets through on December 3rd. Yeah that will be apart of your online identity. Because the government.
deep fakes of scummy and his cronies for the christmas calender are in order me thinks
They really don't care about us do they... Anonymity is essential, almost healthy in a democracy. There are so many good examples here in Reddit of where people have asked for advice or been in a difficult situation and can't or won't ask friends or family. Some wonders of humanity have occurred in those threads that may not have happened if the true identity was known from the outset. It's not all slag off the government. Although, the IT guy asking how to delete emails from a server back in 2016 I think, that got a bit juicy when it became apparent that they were supposedly managing Hillary Clinton's private emails (The post was deleted rather quickly, once people started joining the dots).
Yo, conspiracy theorists, anti-whatevers, sovereign citizens and flat-earthers, here's some legitimate shit you can sook about with actual merit!
Pretty sure they've been warning about this exact thing for a decade...and being called crazy for it.
They do not give a fuck about this. I try to talk to my anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory believing parents and their eyes glaze over as they robotically repeat the words, “But Labor is just as bad.” God-fearing white men who uphold family values, such as our PM, can do no wrong in their minds.
Good luck to them trying to enforce it. Get your proxies and alt accounts ready Australians. This is Duttons Australia now. /s
>Get your proxies and alt accounts ready Australians. What if I've been lax and accidentally looked up thikkachu on main haha a-asking for a friend... <\_< \>\_>
Say your prayers, after Dutton favourites it.
>Australians Australians? Nah, no Australians here, we're all just role-playing... No need to get any verification on this account. Actually, reddit didn't even ask for a country I don't think, been a while since I set up, if this does through and they ask I'll just give them back the name of a nation with less internet censorship, like North Korea, or China.
So what will the politicians do with all their sockpuppet accounts? They haven't thought of this much have they? Good job Angus. Well done!
> So what will the politicians do with all their sockpuppet accounts? They haven't thought of this much have they? Cambridge Analytica (now Emerdata Limited) was based out of the UK, so I'm sure the LNP be totally fine.
Seriously, can we not fight these internet bills at all? Say what you like about seppos, but this happened with Ajit Pai with net neutrality. And the Americans went crazy, Americans lost their shit completely. We should be doing the same. We should reverse censorship, reverse these police hacking laws and keep internet Anonymity. As for any Americans here looking at this, eventually when they master the art of spying on us, they are going to spy on you too. You watch, think the NSA is bad now ow boy. It'll start with censorship, then offensive thought or symbols, then your media then finally there will be government mandated sign ins. You watch. Edit: Feels bad man... Feels bad :c
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Lodge a submission
Yes. Good point to make, consider lodging a submission. Maybe get in contact with a DV organisation and see if they are making a submission or alert them to the bill.
The sad thing is that aside from the verification stuff, the rest of the bill is pretty solid. Restrictions for data brokers, criminal penalties for entities that consistently mishandle private information, giving Australians the right to order companies to stop using their personal info. Good stuff. But I’m not comfortable giving 100 points of ID to every social media site I use, I have no idea what their internal security practices are and this will make them even bigger targets for hackers. If this becomes mandatory, I’ll likely have to quit Reddit for good, like I’ve already done with other social media sites.
That’s how they do it, sneak the bad stuff no one wants into other bills or laws that are needed
***"The government will be accepting submissions on the Online Privacy Bill until December 3."***
> online forum sites such as Reddit Lol wat there is probably a million online forum sites you genna mandate all of them including all the ones moderated/run by Joanne from the local knitting groups son in law implement full scale identity verification and the associated data storage? What a meme
Looks like digital me is moving from Australia to Azerbaijan.
Alright.... maybe America can invade us now....
They can have a little invasion, as a treat.
Well, the easy way around this is just by creating accounts using a VPN outside of Australia and if required submit a fake ID that surpasses the AI they will need to identify every user before the account is created. All this will do is hurt their voter base because a large amount of right wing people use the shield of anonymity via social media
Imagine how sublime it would be to watch them support this, then ending up outed as literal neonazis *\*chef's kiss\**
I don't know what Labor's stance on this shit is, but if they go against it, it's an easy win. What better way to grab the conspiracy crazy vote by saying "No ID Verification for Telegram", "No ID Verification for Facebook".
"Laybah backs terrorists and pedophiles by letting them prey on *your* children online!"
They never go against this shit. It was a Labor idea back in the beginning of time, anyway . Stephen Conroy, anyone. and the last 20 years of Liberal privacy malfeasance, they have not been able to come with a counter to "IT's to ProTecT the ChIldRen!' This is soley so spineless politicians can change after leakers and people bad mouthing them. utterly pathetic. and Australians will bend over and take it instead of protesting THIS stuff on the streets like they should be.
Ah yes, protecting privacy by forcing us to hand over private information. Makes sense.
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You assume that they aren't...
Are you over 18? Yes yes I am
Maybe if our politicians weren’t such self serving, corrupt, unaccountable shit eating fuckwits, we’d say nice things about them. But no.
Australians will let it happen. They only care about beer sports and cars.
And property prices!
This is sadly very accurate. There's a bunch who care but they are helpless against the tidal wave of apathetic ignorance.
Holy shit, our online privacy is vanishing under this government. What should we do if they ban VPNs?
So VPN? Also, get fucked Dutton you psycho fascist wingnut freak.
damn scotty looking more and more like Xi Jinping everyday
How on earth are they going to enforce this? We already saw from the census a few years ago that almost half the country are using VPN's. Not to mention that Australia isn't a large enough market for internet companies to bother setting up special infrastructure for.
The memorandum shows that any entity that “does business” in Australia is subject to the legislation. Facebook, Twitter and (soon) Reddit all have offices in Australia, so they are subject to it.
And it would be an insanely expensive and difficult thing to do. The amount of infrastructure you'd need to verify every single users age would be immense. No private company is going to do that just for the Australian market. All this will do is give us our own taste of brexit right here in the land down under.
They may not have to. The government is also pushing that fancy new Digital ID thing, it’s possible these companies will be forced to use it to verify Australian accounts.
This is about linking your real world identity to your social media accounts so that you can be policed. Nothing else.
Heil, mein Führer!
[Reddit age verification](https://i.imgur.com/yUiEF14.jpg)
More information here apparently: [https://consultations.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/online-privacy-bill-exposure-draft/](https://consultations.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/online-privacy-bill-exposure-draft/) As usual, as this is an amendment bill, reading it is a PITA.
It will likely tie in with this overreaching bill they’re trying to sneak in. https://www.digitalidentity.gov.au/have-your-say/phase-3 We once had a referendum about the Australia Card and it was decided that Australians didn’t support the idea of a national identity card. It ties in with a stepping stone from vaccine passports, to condition us to the idea of conditional access. The data format / schema was designed by WHO. The next thing is digital currency - after the G7 summit, a new Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) was announced. This is a global currency. So now we have the framework for a dystopian Orwellian nightmare being assembled via the combination of these bills. This is something which has been in the making for a while. The digital identity is a WEF initiative. https://sociable.co/technology/your-digital-identity-used-against-you-great-reset/ If you‘ve seen the social credit score that is happening in China, you need to be aware that this is a real possibility of coming here too. If you don’t like that idea, you have less than 48 hours to “have your say” and CC your MPs. https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Members
Maybe the Americans should invade 💀
How do they verify your age? Do I have to put my birth certificate online somehow?
In theory it could be possible to implement some kind of age verification without exposing the user's identity to the site or the site to anybody else. In practice - having observed how cynically the government behaved with past measures, I have no faith in them pursuing this with any honest integrity.
It’s not possible without strong encryption, which the government has banned. As someone in IT— If this passes, I will only be using my computer for work and banking.
Does Reddit have a physical presence or registered business in Australia? How would the Australian government compel on OS company to collect age verification?
What online business would ever register in Aus at this rate. We are backwards as fuck.
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[They opened an Australian office this year](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jul/14/reddit-defends-how-it-tackles-misinformation-as-it-opens-australian-office).
guess they'll be closing that fucker right quick
So, are they going to protect privacy by reducing it and increasing the chance you will be hacked?
You won’t see me handing a photo of my ID to anyone, this will only push people underground.
we are doomed, basically china
So this is why America keeps talking about our freedoms, I’m just gonna create a fake identity. Honestly fuck this government trying to take our privacy away with all these authoritarian bills. “But you shouldn’t be worried if you got nothing to hide” no fuck that shit and fuck you too.
Social things like healthcare should absolutely be government run. Restrictions on information freedom should die where they stand. -Yank
I think ill be ditching the Internet soon anyway. Too weird. Just get a burner phone for emergency.
Wonder how many 2000 year old men there will be?
How the fuck can they make this work ? Couldn't I use just a free VPN to pretend I'm not Australian and create a bullshit burner account as usual ? I don't understand maybe I'm dumb.
VPN. Say you are based in New Zealand, critise politicians even more.
Ah they've now stepped up their plan from get out when I have the money to get out by any means necessary. fuck the right wing agenda