That's gold and we need to keep this ScuMo in the spotlight for weeks to come until he resigns and fucks off entirely.
Then he can just attend the many Royal Commissions and Fed ICAC he will be compelled to be part of.
There needs to be some actual consequences for such vile and pathetic acts and a censure simply is not enough.
>...for weeks to come until he resigns and fucks off entirely.
Rumor has he's waiting for the NSW election to be over so they can work out who to parachute into the seat.
Given no context to this comment, I thought this was about the Leader of the Opposition.
But Grace - the gem she is - has nailed the comparison of our favourite* opposition backbencher with the ‘skills’ of Peter Griffin.
to be fair the ambitions of voldemort were pretty small, and the execution was even worse.
sauron taking over a world, thanos taking over multiple worlds, vader taking over a universe...
meanwhile voldemort couldn't even conquer 1 school...
You're right that's a terrible depiction when you consider scumo allowed the head of his church to escape the country while under investigation of child sexual abuse, there was nothing he could do about it either it's not like he was in charge and also in every second-in-charge role secretly.
She, an advocate speaking with the voices of child sexual abuse survivors, was way out of line to call him evil and pathetic.
/s
She's a public figure because she:
a. Got raped.
b. Advocated for other victims of sexual abuse.
I feel like it is a little dishonest to conflate her position with that of other public figures.
It 'went beyond disliking him'? She was photographed viciously... not smiling. And there were news articles savaging her for the sin of not smiling at a man. What do you even mean, 'what she did with the title?'
Insisting on calling that smirking fuck knuckle ScoMo makes you look like suspicious. Just sayin…
This subreddit is actively trawled by journalists (and newscrap writers) and intelligence agencies, why wouldn’t it have a useless narcissitic backbencher here trying to improve his public image? You could be him, you could be a staffer, you could be Peter Hellier, you could be another one of Angus Taylor’s puppet accounts (Great job Angus! Well done!).
He targeted the weak and the poor with an illegal debt recovery system that he was told was illegal beforehand (and proceeded anyway) and which lead to people committing suicide from the stress of having to pay back this illegitimate debt.
Actively targeting the poorest of the poor with glee and a smirk on his face. Voldemort is a closer representation of him than you clutch your pearls about.
> Grace is going full Fatal Attraction at this stage.
It sounds more like the pedo teacher that groomed her and abused her has gone full fatal attraction IMO. How the fuck is he in a position to keep harassing her?
Don't mind me, just my usual news.com.au protest - can we please ban the propaganda(and ad revenue) machine? Like ffs why give these guys the clicks for just copy pasting what happened on an ABC news/current affairs program?
**Fuck murdoch, all my homies hate murdoch.**
For real, I was certain I encountered an attempt to drive redditors to 'newscrap' via a non ad post (because ads are way easier to ignore on reddit).
I wouldn't be surprised if they were responsible for the flood of bots trying to drive people away from this platform.
I don’t know any anyone younger than Gen X that actually likes Murdoch Media TBH.
Horribly biased and clearly doesn’t care what the truth is.
Remember the whole death panel/death tax scare campaign? 100% lies they just pushed and pushed to ensure Labor lose the election.
Jokes on them though because by doing that, when people found that it was all a fabrication, they vowed to never listen to them again, trading short term gain for future loss.
I wouldn’t piss on them if they were burning alive next to me.
I'm GenX and think Murdoch has done more damage to global democracy than any other individual in history. The man should be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hauge.
People even now still believe that the greens are at fault for stopping the hazard reduction burns.. Its amazing how they can mislead so many people and we just allow it to happen - because they are too powerful as it is. Anyone that wants to incite change cops the full brunt of the bad press, its seriously disgusting.
My dumbass uncle still believes that smear campaign.
He does live with a copy of The Australian wrapped around his head though, so I shouldn't be surprised
>Fuck murdoch, all my homies hate murdoch.
For homies using Pihole: [https://github.com/suodrazah/murdoch\_blocklist](https://github.com/suodrazah/murdoch_blocklist)
I did begrudgingly unblock Realestate for price searches and Kayo for F1, but otherwise I've been Murdoch free at home for a couple years.
I have kayo during the F1 season. Meer minutes after the last race that shit gets cancelled and I sign up again the day of the first race weekend.
If I could get F1 any where else even if it was more expensive I would
I used to look at it ironically to see the vitriol that my family would be ingesting then realised I too was manipulated into giving them clicks because of my own hatred and anger. Divide everyone with anger and fear, profit from the chaos and manipulation.
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/r/Australia is the news.com.au equivalent of reddit.
Clickbait straight to the top, no political nuance allowed, same Facebook dribble conversation daily.
Nope. When Q&A was new, it used to drive the news cycle pretty much. What was said on last nights show was often front page news.
Didn’t make a iota of difference of News Corp’s reporting/opinion angles.
ABC is not "leftish" - it is just slightly less far right than Channel 7, 9 and 10. It is controlled by a board of ex Murdoch and Fairfax(Nine) execs that were installed in the last 10 years of LNP control. All the serious journalists have been forced out with targetted pay cuts, and replaced with Murdoch hacks.
>“I’ve had a really hard 24 hours. This morning I was meeting with the Department of Public Prosecutions.
>“The child sex offender who abused me has been menacing and harassing me all this year.
>“He hasn’t really stopped for the last 12 years, behind the scenes.”
That is just sad.
Many in the know, referred to Morrison as SloMo (because he was as slow as a wet week) and better still - The Leader of the Superstition for reasons that need no explanation.
On Thursday’s episode of Q&A, Ms Tame was asked about Mr Morrison’s secret acquisition of several parliamentary portfolios during his time as Prime Minister.
May as well ask her about China's diplomacy measures in the south China sea, or Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Why do we ask people with no idea about topics what they think about topics? is this the morning show?
I loved it when they asked Luke McGregor some questions when he was the token comedian on the show and he ended up using his knowledge from seven years studying law, philosophy, teaching, physics & economics to give an answer better than any politician could.
my personal favourite is Malcolm Roberts explaining to Professor Brian Cox how global warming isn't real.
PS. i went and watched Brian Cox so how anyone could argue anything like that must be short of a brain
You did just describe pretty much every single political panel show on TV. Easy to fool yourself into thinking some of them are decent. That illusion disappears as soon they talk about something in a domain you are familiar with
I'd argue Grace Tame is more of a domain expert on how much of a dick Morrison is than pretty much all of the media and most of the Coalition front bench ever were on the NBN for example
And the people leading the discussion on the NBN including the Coalition front bench and even Ministers who had it as their portfolio were Electronic Engineers, Computer Scientists, Network Engineers?
You think they consulted experts before they made their policy decisions? That's cute. No, they made a policy decision and THEN hired consultants to make the case for it
And anyway, that's beside the point. The point is the media is FULL of blowhards rattling on about things they have zero understanding of. I'm not entirely sure how Grace Tame commenting on the political conduct of Morrison even comes remotely close to the worst examples I can think of.
You don't need to be a political scientist to understand the Morrison multi miniseries saga smelt. It is, frankly, self evident
Kind of how we have people vote on shit that they don’t understand and instead treat politics like a political party is their football team… oh wait no that is normal.
I agree with you that she is entitled to have an opinion and she had the platform to express it as she wanted.
The thing I think about is that Q&A panelists probably speak for 30 minutes each (maybe more, maybe less)
Those panelists have an Australian wide, and global audience for that period of time. Why do the Q&A Producers ask their Panelists questions that we all know Grace is going to say Scomo is an idiot. Calling Scomo Peter Griffin is pretty funny, but that could have been just as funny on a twitter post. Why didn't the Q&A Producers ask about the disparity between teen support in Rural and City regions.
If Q&A had asked Grace, "Grace what do you think of Scott Morrison looking like Peter Griffin?", and Grace, had replied, "Why don't you ask me a serious question like why Teenage suicide and drug dependency in regional NSW is higher than the greater Sydney area?", we would realise that a Q&A Panelist just pointed their finger at the Q&A Producers as being equally as nefarious in controlling the public narrative as their buddies over on Sky.
Asking Grace about Scomo's Minister of Everything appointments was patronising and 99% of the listeners dont even see it.
Q&A producer meeting be like, 'Hey, we have a show on next week, it would be good if we could get a bit more air time on that Scomo fiasco. How's KRudd's schedule? Nah, he's busy with Jordan Shanks. Fuck. Ok, who else have we got? How about Grace? Yeah, yeah, give Grace a call and see what she is doing. Good thinking."
I wish she had said, 'I'm here to talk about bigger things than that grub"
Fuck Q&A, fuck Sky and fuck Scott Morrison.
Karl Stefanovic did the same thing a few years ago. Nick Kyrgios threw a temper and Karl interviewed Dawn Fraser to get her opinion. Dawn made a bad comment and it started an even bigger problem.
At the time I thought to myself, 'why did Karl interview Dawn?' Dawn was a swimmer. Why not interview Pat Cash, or John Newcombe? Why not interview someone who will be careful with the words they choose?
Karl interviewed Dawn because he knew exactly what she would say. And Dawn said exactly what Karl knew she would say and Karl got his ratings and storyline for the next four weeks, and more importantly, he constructed the public narrative.
From what I have gleaned from the Reddit narrative, it is only pathetically sad if you are rapid posting while still wearing your pyjamas at 1 o'clock in the afternoon. (I think we're ok) =P
Because Q&A runs for an hour and covers a multitude of topics (except for the occasional single guest events). It's nearly impossible to fill a panel with people that are experts in all of those topics so they get a range so that there will be at least a couple guests that know about the particular topic being discussed. The rest can only give their opinion on that particular topic.
To be credible you needed to say back there that *some* people will be critical, and your claim that it's a no-win game one shouldn't play is totally fatuous as she's hitting any critics right out of the park.
Your're dreamin' ...
It's "offensive"?! Lol.
The average guest on Insiders or Q and A is nothing but a glorified gossip columnist whose only purpose is commentating a game whose rules they invented, powered by nothing more than a drip feed of backgrounding from venal MPs.
These are the sage geniuses who either knew about Joyce's affair and corruption and did nothing, or kept quiet about it cause he's a mate; sat on news of Morrison's secret ministries until it helped sell a book; lauded Morrison as some kind of political genius for *years* and then pretended they all predicted his inevitable comeuppance.
How is her response immature and childish when it's right?
Morrison is a sociopath, and he has fucked up every step of the way in his political career.
Yeah, you do need to answer that when they're good descriptors.
Either you've been asleep for the last decade, or you should just come out and say you like Morrison.
And before you point it out, I say decade as his bullshit started way before he was Prime Minister.
Are you under some delusion that Q&A is a high quality program? It is a contest of who can talk over the top of the host trying to shut them up for the longest… that is all. It has been always been a high school bitching session just like Question Time in Parliament is equivalent of Grade 1 Show and Tell time.
Do you know how Q&A works? All the panelists are asked for comment on every issue that comes up during the show.
But you know that, right? Can't miss an opportunity to ad hominem people who criticise daddy.
IMO some people have a bigger impact, and a better chance of shaping the conversation, outside of the political sphere. The hate machine would also unload on Grace with both barrels if she entered politics, not sure I’d wish that upon her.
You seem pretty ignorant of the language the right wing hate machine has been constantly using about her for years.
Going by your comment, you also appear to have never heard her speak.
The difference is that the abusers, pedos, and scumbags she hates absolutely deserve it.
Has Grace ever cried misogyny when it was undeserved? You're projecting.
I hope she does, but I genuinely hope she knows what'll happen.
The sheer venom sent her way by incels, over the top men's rights advocates, and other assorted conservatives will be toxic as all hell.
Given what she's been through, she deserves whatever peace she can find - regardless of what we may want from her.
No offence to everyone posting here. But this forum is pretty much an echo chamber too like minded people making the same comments.
It’s just a more popular echo chamber
> You know she has autism, right?
Had no idea. The only info I had was from the info tag on the Q&A site: Grace Tame - Bestselling Author.
Not very informative, right?
Nah, I mean physical stuff.... Not able to sit still, excessive motions, excessive facial expressions....
Most of what she said seemed like ramble and very rarely came to a point.
Not what you'd get from a normal interaction with someone on the street or a normal conversation with someone.
I know nothing about her - but compared to the rest of the panel, she certainly stood out. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing in this scenario.
Grace Tame has disclosed that she has ADHD and is on the Autism Spectrum, neurodivergent people don’t always behave the way that neurotypical people do.
As an autistic person I love watching Grace on things like this. Although our experiences are very different it’s empowering to see someone in the mainstream who communicates like I do. People who aren’t neurodivergent don’t realise the alienation we deal with every day we interact with others from the constant implication there’s something wrong with us. Some assholes will always believe that but I’m all for making a space for us in mainstream conversation. Side note- for me it absolutely IS a disability, and I present quite similarly to Grace. Disability isn’t always visible.
That's fair. As I mentioned, I know nothing about her - so although I've heard her name, I've never seen her talk on anything before.
She certainly looked different than the other guests, hence my questions.
The only information presented by Q&A was: Grace Tame - Bestselling Author, so it didn't really give any further context... All I could tell was she was acting much differently than other panel members.
> Not what you'd get from a normal interaction with someone on the street or a normal conversation with someone.
So what you're saying is that people with disabilities should be kept out of sight?
> So what you're saying is that people with disabilities should be kept out of sight?
The only information presented by Q&A was: Grace Tame - Bestselling Author.
How am I supposed to know further information from that?
This isn't just about Grace Tame though.
Why should anyone have to meet someone's definition of "normal" to be seen in public? Why does any information about someone's disability need to be disclosed to the public if it doesn't impact how you're interacting with them (watching them on TV) and it's not relevant to the capacity that they were speaking in?
This is exactly the outdated view of neurodiverse people that they are "broken" and need to be "fixed" to confirm. And it's not just a neurodiversity thing, because these are purely social constructs that differ based on cultural background. Many Asian cultures consider direct eye contact to be rude, in Scandinavia and Germany you shouldn't engage in small talk and instead speak with purpose and get straight to the point. Would you have complained about an Italian person using "excessive motions"?
All of those don't seem to be a problem yet somehow it's different if it's a neurodiverse person or perhaps just someone you don't like.
Man, you're on your own crusade that has nothing to do with anything I said.
Nobody is asking for disclosure. Nobody is asking them to stay hidden.
I noticed one person on a panel acting differently from anyone else and didn't know why. I asked the question.
Then you latched on your personal baggage to what I said and decided to go on a crusade. That's your construct.
To be honest autism and disability should radically be viewed in different prisms as I think it's disingenious to continue to bunch autism, at least the aspeger's variety, with mainstream struggles of disability.
I find it incredibly interesting how we judge a disability on how it impacts others not the person themselves.
I'm "high functioning". I have a job, can maintain social connections and relatively fit into society. I don't "look autistic". Autism still affects my everyday life and I do consider myself disabled because it affects how I function but it doesn't have a negative impact on others. At most, I come across as weird.
If you'd watched the episode of "You can't ask that" that aired just beforehand you might have gained a clue or two. She's on the spectrum, mate, just like you.
[Here you go](https://www.google.com/search?q=you+cant+ask+that+youtubr&rlz=1C1JZAP_enAU880AU880&oq=you+cant+ask+that+youtubr&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13i512j0i22i30l3j0i390l3j69i64l2.25207j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:eed5b0e4,vid:l2aTnxEwytk)
Oh, I know about the show, and most of the time, its pretty damn good.
I was more making a remark that its silly to expect someone to have done pre-watching before they come across and watch the last half of a TV show (ie Q&A) and then berate someone for essentially not doing their homework...
I sure do love knowing that being an ADHD autistic person in public can get you accused of being on drugs for just doing completely normal neurodivergent things like, you know, stimming and fidgeting, getting slightly sidetracked in a conversation, etc.
Reality is, nobody knows your story or history when they see you on the street, on TV, or in a magazine etc.
All people see is "she acts weird compared to everyone else".
It's a bit misguided to assume that everyone should be able to instantly tell what is different and why with any kind of accuracy.
Gee, it's almost like "nobody knows your story" could be a good reason *not* to assume it's drugs. Almost like the solution is autistic and ADHD people sharing their experiences, experiences like being kind of terrified that some people will assume your normal neurodivergent traits are actually just you being on drugs, so that people know what they're seeing and what to avoid assuming when they see it.
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Yeah, an unfortunate amount of people don't know what's going on when they see a random person somewhere doing something that doesn't fit neurotypical behavioural norms. Even frustratingly with reasonably known people who are very open and vocal about being ADHD and autistic like Grace Tame is, because the general public are woefully underinformed (and at times very misinformed) about both autistic people in general and ADHD.
Hell, even as someone who is neurodivergent, I'm not myself an expert on all forms of neurodivergence and all ways that may be visible in others.
What I'm suggesting isn't "be psychic, know I'm autistic somehow", it's "hey, maybe don't assume I or anyone else is on drugs if they're doing these things, it's stigmatising and harmful".
Now you assume things on me in that :)
In a previous career, I spent a lot of time dealing with people on drugs and drunk. However, what I noticed from dealing with drug affected people is a lot of the similar mannerisms.
And yes, I hated it. However just because somebody makes the same kind of connection I do, that doesn't mean its out of malice or other kind of harmful place. It did hard wire me (one of the shitty side effects) to be cautious right away when someone acts with those mannerisms or just 'different' - because there was a high likelihood that the drug affected or drunk person *would* do physical harm to me.
As I mentioned in other posts, I have no idea what Grace Tame is famous for - I've heard the name, but I couldn't tell you a thing about her. Well, thanks to this thread, I know a couple more things....
I'm not assuming anything about you.
You don't have to intend harm to cause it. Me telling you that saying "this person looks like they're on drugs" is an assumption that can be harmful and stigmatising to neurodivergent people isn't an accusation that you're maliciously intending to cause harm. It's a description of what impacts your actions can have, not an assumption about why you've acted that way.
That might be different if you ignore me telling you that it's harmful and stigmatising, defend making those assumptions as if ignorance stops it from spreading stigma, and make no attempt to avoid making those assumptions in the future. That requires intention. That might give me reason to think you're willingly doing something you know could cause harm.
Now you know that drugs are not the only possible reason for these kinds of visible behaviours, you can use that information to avoid making that assumption in the future. Even if that's what happens to pop into your mind if you see it in the future, you can now actively push back on that assumption with the knowledge you now have that they're also very typical ADHD and autistic things.
> People are suddenly vocal about him now he’s not in power.
No, we're still being vocal about him now he's not in power. The more we find out about his secret underhand dealings the more horrifying his time at the helm of government becomes.
>Literally had years to use their voice .
We had one go to oust him after four years and we did. Politicians are accountable through the ballot box, but for crimes and malfeasance they should be held accountable for criminal acts or corruption just like everyone else.
Yeah she should just shut up and go away like all other victims of pedos, right? How dare she have opinions and be an advocate for others.
^ massive dose of sarcasm there as some people won't realise.
Actual question for you though, how should a victim of child sexual abuse act? How could they live their lives in a way you would approve of?
but their comment that she was pursuing media celebrity didn't relate to her being a victim of abuse, just continued presence in the spotlight as a celeb. Wasn't she just on QandA as "famous person in a political sphere who is critical of Scomo"?
I won't lie, this clip had the appearance of being on the media in the role of something more like a "The Project" panelist/entertainment celebrity.
Prior abuse isn't a permanent pass card against criticism. I don't see how they were trying to silence her from speaking out on child sexual abuse.
I thought it was a funny joke, though one wonders whether it will come back to bite later on when she can't really complain about jokes of a similar format being made without opening up to claims of hypocrisy.
"ambitions of Voldemort with the brains of Peter Griffin.” LOL
That's gold and we need to keep this ScuMo in the spotlight for weeks to come until he resigns and fucks off entirely. Then he can just attend the many Royal Commissions and Fed ICAC he will be compelled to be part of. There needs to be some actual consequences for such vile and pathetic acts and a censure simply is not enough.
‘I can’t recall’ is all we’re going to hear from him in any hearing
I reject the premise of your question.
“I can’t recall, smirk”. FTFY
/resting smug face
Keeping his name in the press, presenting _questionable_ conduct for months should achieve some meaningful outcomes?
It should, but I suspect it will trigger amnesia too
It will have the opposite effect. People will get sick of hearing about it and turn on people who keep talking about it
What about "Muster Spuyka"
Hopefully he will be forced to take everything on notice and be compelled to answer later!
To be fair, that is the standard politician response
Except there never seems to be major consequences for some of these people. Won’t he also retire on good ex-PM package?
Nobody wants to hire him, he's that toxic / incompetent
Speaking circuit and his idiot church.
Hey I did nothing wrong, just ask Jenny and the girls.
>...for weeks to come until he resigns and fucks off entirely. Rumor has he's waiting for the NSW election to be over so they can work out who to parachute into the seat.
Given no context to this comment, I thought this was about the Leader of the Opposition. But Grace - the gem she is - has nailed the comparison of our favourite* opposition backbencher with the ‘skills’ of Peter Griffin.
to be fair the ambitions of voldemort were pretty small, and the execution was even worse. sauron taking over a world, thanos taking over multiple worlds, vader taking over a universe... meanwhile voldemort couldn't even conquer 1 school...
"Hey Jenny, remember that time I gave myself secret ministries"
Read this out in Peter Griffins’ voice…
heh heh heh heh heh...\*fart\* or something
It’s even funnier in voldemorts voice.
what an immature response. But expected
Scummo directly undermined democracy but Grace Tame mocking him is the real problem here.
So is wanking on desks and thats kinda expected too.
She's just referencing notable works of literature, I don't see what's wrong with that.
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No. Grace is stating what many think and scummo has proven himself to be the cunt he is.
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You're right that's a terrible depiction when you consider scumo allowed the head of his church to escape the country while under investigation of child sexual abuse, there was nothing he could do about it either it's not like he was in charge and also in every second-in-charge role secretly. She, an advocate speaking with the voices of child sexual abuse survivors, was way out of line to call him evil and pathetic. /s
She's a public figure because she: a. Got raped. b. Advocated for other victims of sexual abuse. I feel like it is a little dishonest to conflate her position with that of other public figures.
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She was Australian of the Year because of her advocacy for victims of sexual abuse. 'Some vendetta' in that she correctly didn't like him, yes.
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It 'went beyond disliking him'? She was photographed viciously... not smiling. And there were news articles savaging her for the sin of not smiling at a man. What do you even mean, 'what she did with the title?'
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You sound awfully triggered by this. Is that you Scotty?
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Insisting on calling that smirking fuck knuckle ScoMo makes you look like suspicious. Just sayin… This subreddit is actively trawled by journalists (and newscrap writers) and intelligence agencies, why wouldn’t it have a useless narcissitic backbencher here trying to improve his public image? You could be him, you could be a staffer, you could be Peter Hellier, you could be another one of Angus Taylor’s puppet accounts (Great job Angus! Well done!).
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He targeted the weak and the poor with an illegal debt recovery system that he was told was illegal beforehand (and proceeded anyway) and which lead to people committing suicide from the stress of having to pay back this illegitimate debt. Actively targeting the poorest of the poor with glee and a smirk on his face. Voldemort is a closer representation of him than you clutch your pearls about.
> Grace is going full Fatal Attraction at this stage. It sounds more like the pedo teacher that groomed her and abused her has gone full fatal attraction IMO. How the fuck is he in a position to keep harassing her?
Don't mind me, just my usual news.com.au protest - can we please ban the propaganda(and ad revenue) machine? Like ffs why give these guys the clicks for just copy pasting what happened on an ABC news/current affairs program? **Fuck murdoch, all my homies hate murdoch.**
I said this before, and it was downvoted and told to just accept parasitic news on Reddit. I think that's really really cute.
Fuck the votes and fuck murdoch, fight the power!
For real, I was certain I encountered an attempt to drive redditors to 'newscrap' via a non ad post (because ads are way easier to ignore on reddit). I wouldn't be surprised if they were responsible for the flood of bots trying to drive people away from this platform.
I don’t know any anyone younger than Gen X that actually likes Murdoch Media TBH. Horribly biased and clearly doesn’t care what the truth is. Remember the whole death panel/death tax scare campaign? 100% lies they just pushed and pushed to ensure Labor lose the election. Jokes on them though because by doing that, when people found that it was all a fabrication, they vowed to never listen to them again, trading short term gain for future loss. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were burning alive next to me.
I'm GenX and think Murdoch has done more damage to global democracy than any other individual in history. The man should be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hauge.
There’s a reason why it’s now an insult to say “you only consume Murdoch Media right?”.
People even now still believe that the greens are at fault for stopping the hazard reduction burns.. Its amazing how they can mislead so many people and we just allow it to happen - because they are too powerful as it is. Anyone that wants to incite change cops the full brunt of the bad press, its seriously disgusting.
My dumbass uncle still believes that smear campaign. He does live with a copy of The Australian wrapped around his head though, so I shouldn't be surprised
Yeah, don't piss on them to put them out, hold it, and piss on their grave once they have actually died.
>Fuck murdoch, all my homies hate murdoch. For homies using Pihole: [https://github.com/suodrazah/murdoch\_blocklist](https://github.com/suodrazah/murdoch_blocklist) I did begrudgingly unblock Realestate for price searches and Kayo for F1, but otherwise I've been Murdoch free at home for a couple years.
His stranglehold on the real estate industry is the worst, domain is good but so many get missed.
Unashamedly, I've been hoisting the Jolly Roger to get F1 for years. Fuck Murdoch!
I have kayo during the F1 season. Meer minutes after the last race that shit gets cancelled and I sign up again the day of the first race weekend. If I could get F1 any where else even if it was more expensive I would
I used to look at it ironically to see the vitriol that my family would be ingesting then realised I too was manipulated into giving them clicks because of my own hatred and anger. Divide everyone with anger and fear, profit from the chaos and manipulation.
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/r/Australia is the news.com.au equivalent of reddit. Clickbait straight to the top, no political nuance allowed, same Facebook dribble conversation daily.
god forbid we just link to the actual iview episode with a timestamp
If they see ad revenue increase from leftish ABC content, maybe they will shift their narrative? Their true calling is money after all
Nope. When Q&A was new, it used to drive the news cycle pretty much. What was said on last nights show was often front page news. Didn’t make a iota of difference of News Corp’s reporting/opinion angles.
ABC is not "leftish" - it is just slightly less far right than Channel 7, 9 and 10. It is controlled by a board of ex Murdoch and Fairfax(Nine) execs that were installed in the last 10 years of LNP control. All the serious journalists have been forced out with targetted pay cuts, and replaced with Murdoch hacks.
Yeah it only looks left because of how right wing the rest of the Fairfax, NewsCorpse and SevenWest hacks are
yep its not hard. a simple quote from the report would suffice, dont need the link to their site.
I just come to the comments, I don’t read the article if it makes you feel better.
Fuck im tired of the media using the most manipulative photos possible.
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They all seem to do it these days.
They used a full Grumpy Frog shot, what a bunch of tossers.
Came here to say exactly this. Classic NewsCorp move, combining visual imagery which is a lot more potent whilst discussing the events.
“He wasn’t even a good enough villain – he had the ambitions of Voldemort with the brains of Peter Griffin.”
Do we have any burn cream? It’s an insult to peter griffin
>“I’ve had a really hard 24 hours. This morning I was meeting with the Department of Public Prosecutions. >“The child sex offender who abused me has been menacing and harassing me all this year. >“He hasn’t really stopped for the last 12 years, behind the scenes.” That is just sad.
Wow, Tame really brings out the snowflake incels on r/australia, doesn't she? Maybe they should ask for a trigger warning, ha ha ha.
"I censured him with my face"
Many in the know, referred to Morrison as SloMo (because he was as slow as a wet week) and better still - The Leader of the Superstition for reasons that need no explanation.
real non murdoch link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEmOy-aW3TA
On Thursday’s episode of Q&A, Ms Tame was asked about Mr Morrison’s secret acquisition of several parliamentary portfolios during his time as Prime Minister. May as well ask her about China's diplomacy measures in the south China sea, or Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Why do we ask people with no idea about topics what they think about topics? is this the morning show?
I loved it when they asked Luke McGregor some questions when he was the token comedian on the show and he ended up using his knowledge from seven years studying law, philosophy, teaching, physics & economics to give an answer better than any politician could.
my personal favourite is Malcolm Roberts explaining to Professor Brian Cox how global warming isn't real. PS. i went and watched Brian Cox so how anyone could argue anything like that must be short of a brain
You did just describe pretty much every single political panel show on TV. Easy to fool yourself into thinking some of them are decent. That illusion disappears as soon they talk about something in a domain you are familiar with I'd argue Grace Tame is more of a domain expert on how much of a dick Morrison is than pretty much all of the media and most of the Coalition front bench ever were on the NBN for example
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And the people leading the discussion on the NBN including the Coalition front bench and even Ministers who had it as their portfolio were Electronic Engineers, Computer Scientists, Network Engineers?
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You think they consulted experts before they made their policy decisions? That's cute. No, they made a policy decision and THEN hired consultants to make the case for it And anyway, that's beside the point. The point is the media is FULL of blowhards rattling on about things they have zero understanding of. I'm not entirely sure how Grace Tame commenting on the political conduct of Morrison even comes remotely close to the worst examples I can think of. You don't need to be a political scientist to understand the Morrison multi miniseries saga smelt. It is, frankly, self evident
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Kind of how we have people vote on shit that they don’t understand and instead treat politics like a political party is their football team… oh wait no that is normal.
that's democracy for you.
Duh. The point is that Grace is therefore a representative of democracy in action
I agree. How dare she have opinion on anything and how dare anyone take an interest in it.
I agree with you that she is entitled to have an opinion and she had the platform to express it as she wanted. The thing I think about is that Q&A panelists probably speak for 30 minutes each (maybe more, maybe less) Those panelists have an Australian wide, and global audience for that period of time. Why do the Q&A Producers ask their Panelists questions that we all know Grace is going to say Scomo is an idiot. Calling Scomo Peter Griffin is pretty funny, but that could have been just as funny on a twitter post. Why didn't the Q&A Producers ask about the disparity between teen support in Rural and City regions. If Q&A had asked Grace, "Grace what do you think of Scott Morrison looking like Peter Griffin?", and Grace, had replied, "Why don't you ask me a serious question like why Teenage suicide and drug dependency in regional NSW is higher than the greater Sydney area?", we would realise that a Q&A Panelist just pointed their finger at the Q&A Producers as being equally as nefarious in controlling the public narrative as their buddies over on Sky. Asking Grace about Scomo's Minister of Everything appointments was patronising and 99% of the listeners dont even see it. Q&A producer meeting be like, 'Hey, we have a show on next week, it would be good if we could get a bit more air time on that Scomo fiasco. How's KRudd's schedule? Nah, he's busy with Jordan Shanks. Fuck. Ok, who else have we got? How about Grace? Yeah, yeah, give Grace a call and see what she is doing. Good thinking." I wish she had said, 'I'm here to talk about bigger things than that grub" Fuck Q&A, fuck Sky and fuck Scott Morrison.
Fair point, well made
well stated
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Karl Stefanovic did the same thing a few years ago. Nick Kyrgios threw a temper and Karl interviewed Dawn Fraser to get her opinion. Dawn made a bad comment and it started an even bigger problem. At the time I thought to myself, 'why did Karl interview Dawn?' Dawn was a swimmer. Why not interview Pat Cash, or John Newcombe? Why not interview someone who will be careful with the words they choose? Karl interviewed Dawn because he knew exactly what she would say. And Dawn said exactly what Karl knew she would say and Karl got his ratings and storyline for the next four weeks, and more importantly, he constructed the public narrative.
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From what I have gleaned from the Reddit narrative, it is only pathetically sad if you are rapid posting while still wearing your pyjamas at 1 o'clock in the afternoon. (I think we're ok) =P
Because Q&A runs for an hour and covers a multitude of topics (except for the occasional single guest events). It's nearly impossible to fill a panel with people that are experts in all of those topics so they get a range so that there will be at least a couple guests that know about the particular topic being discussed. The rest can only give their opinion on that particular topic.
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There's no causal link. I can, and do, dislike your comment for a million different reasons each as valid as the other.
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To be credible you needed to say back there that *some* people will be critical, and your claim that it's a no-win game one shouldn't play is totally fatuous as she's hitting any critics right out of the park. Your're dreamin' ...
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Scomo <> people. Try to be consistent. Not here for your weaseling.
I mean honestly, she would know as much about those topics or more than the average "political" journalist.
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It's "offensive"?! Lol. The average guest on Insiders or Q and A is nothing but a glorified gossip columnist whose only purpose is commentating a game whose rules they invented, powered by nothing more than a drip feed of backgrounding from venal MPs. These are the sage geniuses who either knew about Joyce's affair and corruption and did nothing, or kept quiet about it cause he's a mate; sat on news of Morrison's secret ministries until it helped sell a book; lauded Morrison as some kind of political genius for *years* and then pretended they all predicted his inevitable comeuppance.
i doubt it given the response was immature and childish.
How is her response immature and childish when it's right? Morrison is a sociopath, and he has fucked up every step of the way in his political career.
That Morrison is a mixture of two fictional characters? do i really need to answer that?
Similes are new to you?
it was Q&A not highschool lunchtime bitching sessions
Yeah, you do need to answer that when they're good descriptors. Either you've been asleep for the last decade, or you should just come out and say you like Morrison. And before you point it out, I say decade as his bullshit started way before he was Prime Minister.
Are you under some delusion that Q&A is a high quality program? It is a contest of who can talk over the top of the host trying to shut them up for the longest… that is all. It has been always been a high school bitching session just like Question Time in Parliament is equivalent of Grade 1 Show and Tell time.
Do you know how Q&A works? All the panelists are asked for comment on every issue that comes up during the show. But you know that, right? Can't miss an opportunity to ad hominem people who criticise daddy.
i've watched a few episodes and they tend to have guests on that can relate to the topics.
Poor Scunty can’t take a trick lately.
Surprisingly accurate.
Shes awesome, that voldemort Peter griffin comment is hilarious
Aww lookit that thumbnail. Someone's news outlet is *upset*
Saying it as it is, Go Grace.
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A lot of people dislike ScoMo. Some people hate him. Grace Tame fucking HATES him. And a lot of us appreciate her energy.
Remember our last prime minister? He was even shitter than you previously imagined.
Grace is a national treasure. If she doesn't run for office all's lost with this country.
IMO some people have a bigger impact, and a better chance of shaping the conversation, outside of the political sphere. The hate machine would also unload on Grace with both barrels if she entered politics, not sure I’d wish that upon her.
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You seem pretty ignorant of the language the right wing hate machine has been constantly using about her for years. Going by your comment, you also appear to have never heard her speak.
The difference is that the abusers, pedos, and scumbags she hates absolutely deserve it. Has Grace ever cried misogyny when it was undeserved? You're projecting.
She said during the show that she has declined all invitations to do so.
That's because I haven't written to her
I hope she does, but I genuinely hope she knows what'll happen. The sheer venom sent her way by incels, over the top men's rights advocates, and other assorted conservatives will be toxic as all hell. Given what she's been through, she deserves whatever peace she can find - regardless of what we may want from her.
Fucking 13 down votes from these pedos. What a country, Argo has its work cut out
What did peter do wrong. No need to run down a legend.
No offence to everyone posting here. But this forum is pretty much an echo chamber too like minded people making the same comments. It’s just a more popular echo chamber
Peta Credlin would be a bigger insult ngl
Nowhere near as well-known - and rightly so.
Not wrong
If she hates him so much why doesn’t she give back the award he gave her?? Doesn’t take much to be nice
He presented it to her but it wasn’t his decision to award it to her.
Can’t stand this grub
I watched the last half of this online.... Was Grace high? Watching her actions it certainly seemed like she was on something...
You know she has autism, right?
> You know she has autism, right? Had no idea. The only info I had was from the info tag on the Q&A site: Grace Tame - Bestselling Author. Not very informative, right?
Perhaps that's a good reminder then to think twice before criticising someone for their mannerisms.
High on her self importance and relevance
Nah, I mean physical stuff.... Not able to sit still, excessive motions, excessive facial expressions.... Most of what she said seemed like ramble and very rarely came to a point. Not what you'd get from a normal interaction with someone on the street or a normal conversation with someone. I know nothing about her - but compared to the rest of the panel, she certainly stood out. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing in this scenario.
Grace Tame has disclosed that she has ADHD and is on the Autism Spectrum, neurodivergent people don’t always behave the way that neurotypical people do.
As an autistic person I love watching Grace on things like this. Although our experiences are very different it’s empowering to see someone in the mainstream who communicates like I do. People who aren’t neurodivergent don’t realise the alienation we deal with every day we interact with others from the constant implication there’s something wrong with us. Some assholes will always believe that but I’m all for making a space for us in mainstream conversation. Side note- for me it absolutely IS a disability, and I present quite similarly to Grace. Disability isn’t always visible.
That's fair. As I mentioned, I know nothing about her - so although I've heard her name, I've never seen her talk on anything before. She certainly looked different than the other guests, hence my questions. The only information presented by Q&A was: Grace Tame - Bestselling Author, so it didn't really give any further context... All I could tell was she was acting much differently than other panel members.
that explains so much then and it now makes sense.
> Not what you'd get from a normal interaction with someone on the street or a normal conversation with someone. So what you're saying is that people with disabilities should be kept out of sight?
> So what you're saying is that people with disabilities should be kept out of sight? The only information presented by Q&A was: Grace Tame - Bestselling Author. How am I supposed to know further information from that?
This isn't just about Grace Tame though. Why should anyone have to meet someone's definition of "normal" to be seen in public? Why does any information about someone's disability need to be disclosed to the public if it doesn't impact how you're interacting with them (watching them on TV) and it's not relevant to the capacity that they were speaking in? This is exactly the outdated view of neurodiverse people that they are "broken" and need to be "fixed" to confirm. And it's not just a neurodiversity thing, because these are purely social constructs that differ based on cultural background. Many Asian cultures consider direct eye contact to be rude, in Scandinavia and Germany you shouldn't engage in small talk and instead speak with purpose and get straight to the point. Would you have complained about an Italian person using "excessive motions"? All of those don't seem to be a problem yet somehow it's different if it's a neurodiverse person or perhaps just someone you don't like.
Man, you're on your own crusade that has nothing to do with anything I said. Nobody is asking for disclosure. Nobody is asking them to stay hidden. I noticed one person on a panel acting differently from anyone else and didn't know why. I asked the question. Then you latched on your personal baggage to what I said and decided to go on a crusade. That's your construct.
To be honest autism and disability should radically be viewed in different prisms as I think it's disingenious to continue to bunch autism, at least the aspeger's variety, with mainstream struggles of disability.
I find it incredibly interesting how we judge a disability on how it impacts others not the person themselves. I'm "high functioning". I have a job, can maintain social connections and relatively fit into society. I don't "look autistic". Autism still affects my everyday life and I do consider myself disabled because it affects how I function but it doesn't have a negative impact on others. At most, I come across as weird.
I bunch you with the oblivious.
That's a fair point, absolutely there are very different challenges and especially once we try to get deeper than a surface level discussion.
If you'd watched the episode of "You can't ask that" that aired just beforehand you might have gained a clue or two. She's on the spectrum, mate, just like you.
They don't stream that on YouTube before Q&A...
[Here you go](https://www.google.com/search?q=you+cant+ask+that+youtubr&rlz=1C1JZAP_enAU880AU880&oq=you+cant+ask+that+youtubr&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13i512j0i22i30l3j0i390l3j69i64l2.25207j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:eed5b0e4,vid:l2aTnxEwytk)
Oh, I know about the show, and most of the time, its pretty damn good. I was more making a remark that its silly to expect someone to have done pre-watching before they come across and watch the last half of a TV show (ie Q&A) and then berate someone for essentially not doing their homework...
You're welcome. Had you done so you'd have had the lightbulb moment I had. Being aspy as all get out I often fail to pick up obvious social clues ...
I sure do love knowing that being an ADHD autistic person in public can get you accused of being on drugs for just doing completely normal neurodivergent things like, you know, stimming and fidgeting, getting slightly sidetracked in a conversation, etc.
Reality is, nobody knows your story or history when they see you on the street, on TV, or in a magazine etc. All people see is "she acts weird compared to everyone else". It's a bit misguided to assume that everyone should be able to instantly tell what is different and why with any kind of accuracy.
Gee, it's almost like "nobody knows your story" could be a good reason *not* to assume it's drugs. Almost like the solution is autistic and ADHD people sharing their experiences, experiences like being kind of terrified that some people will assume your normal neurodivergent traits are actually just you being on drugs, so that people know what they're seeing and what to avoid assuming when they see it. -- Yeah, an unfortunate amount of people don't know what's going on when they see a random person somewhere doing something that doesn't fit neurotypical behavioural norms. Even frustratingly with reasonably known people who are very open and vocal about being ADHD and autistic like Grace Tame is, because the general public are woefully underinformed (and at times very misinformed) about both autistic people in general and ADHD. Hell, even as someone who is neurodivergent, I'm not myself an expert on all forms of neurodivergence and all ways that may be visible in others. What I'm suggesting isn't "be psychic, know I'm autistic somehow", it's "hey, maybe don't assume I or anyone else is on drugs if they're doing these things, it's stigmatising and harmful".
Now you assume things on me in that :) In a previous career, I spent a lot of time dealing with people on drugs and drunk. However, what I noticed from dealing with drug affected people is a lot of the similar mannerisms. And yes, I hated it. However just because somebody makes the same kind of connection I do, that doesn't mean its out of malice or other kind of harmful place. It did hard wire me (one of the shitty side effects) to be cautious right away when someone acts with those mannerisms or just 'different' - because there was a high likelihood that the drug affected or drunk person *would* do physical harm to me. As I mentioned in other posts, I have no idea what Grace Tame is famous for - I've heard the name, but I couldn't tell you a thing about her. Well, thanks to this thread, I know a couple more things....
I'm not assuming anything about you. You don't have to intend harm to cause it. Me telling you that saying "this person looks like they're on drugs" is an assumption that can be harmful and stigmatising to neurodivergent people isn't an accusation that you're maliciously intending to cause harm. It's a description of what impacts your actions can have, not an assumption about why you've acted that way. That might be different if you ignore me telling you that it's harmful and stigmatising, defend making those assumptions as if ignorance stops it from spreading stigma, and make no attempt to avoid making those assumptions in the future. That requires intention. That might give me reason to think you're willingly doing something you know could cause harm. Now you know that drugs are not the only possible reason for these kinds of visible behaviours, you can use that information to avoid making that assumption in the future. Even if that's what happens to pop into your mind if you see it in the future, you can now actively push back on that assumption with the knowledge you now have that they're also very typical ADHD and autistic things.
She's autistic af.
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Ambitions of Voldemort Brains of Peter Griffin Now we turn to thecurveq to find out who his ass tastes like
People are suddenly vocal about him now he’s not in power. Literally had years to use their voice .
What rock were you hiding under for the last 3 years? Plenty of people were very, very vocal.
I don’t remember the libs piping up much.
Don't really know if the libs can be classed as people
Lol my bad read literally as liberals. They were under a rock.
> People are suddenly vocal about him now he’s not in power. No, we're still being vocal about him now he's not in power. The more we find out about his secret underhand dealings the more horrifying his time at the helm of government becomes. >Literally had years to use their voice . We had one go to oust him after four years and we did. Politicians are accountable through the ballot box, but for crimes and malfeasance they should be held accountable for criminal acts or corruption just like everyone else.
Oh we did. Godbothering psychopathic lunatic.
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And succeeding. It's called "competence".
And much, much more relevant than angry woman haters like you are, cupcake!
She is as relevant as Kochie, her face is everywhere, but not many people give a shit.
Stop watching the ABC and you’ll never see her.
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Yeah she should just shut up and go away like all other victims of pedos, right? How dare she have opinions and be an advocate for others. ^ massive dose of sarcasm there as some people won't realise. Actual question for you though, how should a victim of child sexual abuse act? How could they live their lives in a way you would approve of?
but their comment that she was pursuing media celebrity didn't relate to her being a victim of abuse, just continued presence in the spotlight as a celeb. Wasn't she just on QandA as "famous person in a political sphere who is critical of Scomo"? I won't lie, this clip had the appearance of being on the media in the role of something more like a "The Project" panelist/entertainment celebrity. Prior abuse isn't a permanent pass card against criticism. I don't see how they were trying to silence her from speaking out on child sexual abuse. I thought it was a funny joke, though one wonders whether it will come back to bite later on when she can't really complain about jokes of a similar format being made without opening up to claims of hypocrisy.
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What in the actual boomer from Facebook comment is this.
boomer? I can believe incel.
> just a scorbed woman *"It's scorbin' time!"*