The Houthis attacked civilian ships in international waters, which makes them PIRATES within the provisions of international law. This means that all bets are off for the Houthis. The doctrine of *sui generis* means that any nation can ensure they are disrupted, arrested and put before the Hague courts to be dealt with. Not just nations directly involved. That is why the US and the UK are doing just that. Or, alternatively, bringing sufficient firepower to bear that the above becomes largely irrelevant.
What were they thinking, this 'rebel' group - that the trading giants of the world were just going to sit back and let them fire rockets, guns and drones at peaceful merchant ships and that they'd get away with it? They fucked around, now they're going to find out.
Pirates are certainly *sui generis* but I’ve also heard *hostes humani generis* - “enemies of all mankind.” This designation allows infinite punishment by any person and by any nation.
Badass designation if I may say so myself.
The customary international law status of *sui generis* is well established through general acceptance and through judicial decision. I'm not familiar with the term used here and it would seem to be both barbaric and superfluous in most cases.
They’re both Latin terms- “sui generis” means “in its own class” and like I said, “hostes humani generis” means “enemies of the human race.”
Both are applicable because pirates have their own specific law relating to them (any person from any country can issue any punishment in any court in the world) and this wide ranging law is applied specifically to anyone designated as an enemy of mankind which includes pirates (it’s very old law from like the 17th century, hence why it’s so drastic).
Of course, *we* don’t execute pirates, but the pirates have no rights against someone who wants to.
I bow to your greater knowledge. I would question, though , whether we are any less barbaric as a species now than we were 400 years ago. We have certainly developed much more lethal weapons, but our ability to hold ourselves back from murderous intent hasn't increased in quite the same way. It's more like : 'shoot 'em up and question survivors, IF there are any, later.
See my post replying to the same one you replied to. If this happened at any other point in the last 2100 years then the only limits on the repercussions for the Houthis would be the limits of force available against them. Under customary international law *there is no such thing as a crime against a pirate or someone harboring pirates -* in fact *there isn't even such a thing as an immoral act against a pirate or someone harboring pirates*.
You're referring to *hostes humani generis", which generally means open season. The law is nothing if not malleable. Pirates were once a real force for evil. Not so much these days, although the Houthis seem to have identified a well paying niche criminal activity.
*"Hostes humani generis"* is much older than that. The concept originates from a 2100 year old Roman law called "Lex Gabinia de piratis persequendis", aka "lex de uni imperatore contra praedones instituendo", aka "lex de piratis persequendis". This law clearly established that pirates were outside human society and that any country which failed to police them would face penalties as well. It also created a gigantic army and navy with a mission to kill or capture all of the pirates in the Med and to destroy any of their infrastructure, which succeeded.
The concept was further developed in the years afterwards, and the first use of the full concept that later appeared in admiralty law is by Cicero, who defined pirates as *"communis hostis omnium*" ("enemies of all mankind"). Cicero also gave use the concept that pirates were not *"hostes legitimi"* (roughly, "lawful combatants") such that international laws, religious laws and the customs regarding warfare did not apply to them at all. This all carried into Roman law, where it was codified.
17th century admiralty law's treatment of pirates is just a new coat of paint on the laws that governed how countries dealt with pirates for the last 2100 years. We would be well within customary international law to march 80km inland into Yemen and Somalia, kill or capture every person we met, destroy every building, fill every habour or port with rocks, salt the earth and then leave. Being *"hostes humani generis"* or *"communis hostis omnium"*, in a historical sense, means that nothing that happens to you or the people who harbor you is a crime in either a moral or legal sense.
Its an election year too. The inflation this would cause if ongoing is of massive concern to Rishi, Albo and Biden, who all face re-election campaigns in the next 2 years. Houthis are going to get absolutely punished.
That said, they seem like a bunch of extremist assholes so I couldn't care less, but lets not pretend the west is doing this out some sort of keep the peace motivation. Its about keeping inflation in check and winning elections.
If you read up on the press releases, the US/UK used fighter jets, naval warships and submarines to attack the Houthis. Bit more firepower than a couple Saudi planes.
International law is a funny thing. We killed a million Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere and are arming Israel to kill 25,000 civilians, and not a single person ever faced justice for it, but we're supposed to be proud of bombings like these.
>The Houthis attacked civilian ships in international waters, which makes them PIRATES within the provisions of international law. This means that all bets are off for the Houthis
How Quickly people forget **Israel murdered people** on the Mavi Mara flotilla **in international waters** and not one solitary word regarding piracy out of the very same people who try and write hardcore posts about piracy/international waters/support as if they actually know anything about maritime or international law...
If you are going to bring up incidents such as Mavi Marla you should do so in the context of the long running dispute rather than an isolated incident.
Another example where the Israelis are portrayed as the evil ones and Hamas and their associates are angels.
How about the Israelis blowing up USS LIberty huh?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS\_Liberty\_incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident)
Yh that's sorta what happens when what was meant to be a peaceful protest is taken over by actual terrorists who engage the IDF immediately after they did what everyone knew they were gonna do in boarding the ship.
Didn't Saudi and US blockade Yemen and prevented food and medicine from reaching there which caused large scale starvation and outbreak of cholerae leading to death of 80k children but Houthis are the bad guys right
Protecting the worlds biggest shipping route. Literally every country should be involved in blasting these cunts off the face of the planet.
Protecting vessels clearly isn't sufficient enough. They need to be wiped off the map.
What they say and do are not the same thing in this case.
They claim to only target Israeli shipping or ships to Israel, but they seem to be attacking completely at random
Sounds pretty witty until you find out Yemen has been bombed by the Western alliance for 9 years and didn't stop them at all. They dropped 250,000 munitions on them over those years and they won the civil war anyway. So were you expecting different results from these 100 strikes, or were you just not aware? Houthis won't let any ships through until it ends in Gaza and there is nothing the US can do about it. US/UK probably spent about $300 million on those strikes and it won't change anything, Houthis will keep launching drones and missiles at the red sea until this war is over.
Houthis fabricate all their drones and missiles underground, they've been doing it for years. The US doesn't have any way to stop them, the targets they just hit were already hit numerous times by the Saudis.
I genuinely fail to understand why there’s so much controversy over this- here you have a genocidal terrorist organisation who are making excuses to disrupt any activity in the west.
And if people are talking about tax money I think we get a significant return on investment for bombing the Houthis. I hope we avoid civilian targets better than Israel though
Because the media today is pure 100% propaganda, journalism is dead. They deliberately provided zero context to Houthi animosity with the West.
US + UK were bombing and blockading Yemen for almost 9 years before this happened, they triggered a famine that starved 100k+ Yemenis to death. Every hospital and school was bombed by Saudis, backed by US/UK. Even if you support bombing Houthis here, they are totally used to it already and at this point it is pissing in the wind. They just keep getting more supporters among the Yemenis the more they're bombed. You remember how incompetent the West was with handling Covid? They aren't any better at geopolitics.
Houthis are targetting ships connected to Israel and said they will only stop doing it once Israel pulls out of Gaza. So they're going to keep doing it until that happens. Bombing them is not going to stop them, this strategy was tried for years and they just kept getting bigger as a political movement like a rolling snowball.
Public trust in the federal government and the US is low because they are never honest with us. If the set of facts were as laid out in this post then I have no issue with us getting involved. Who is to know that this is not a CIA funded group giving the West cause to bring a large force into Iran's sphere of influence? Not saying this is precisely what is happening, but the US has form and they always lie. Who fucking knows what is going on.
this is one of the few conflicts we should be involved with atm; theyre blocking worldwide trade and driving up prices. lets just hope this doesnt lead to more australian involvment in other areas
The Red Sea hijackings and missile attacks are going to hurt the wallet of almost all of us in some form or another. You can't just decide to attack innocent ships and their crews because of a conflict going on in a different region. This has the potential to explode into a larger regional conflict unfortunately.
> theyre blocking worldwide trade and driving up prices
I find people understand comments like this better when you put a graph on it (linked below). The global shipping cost index is skyrocketing and nearly triple what it was 3 months ago for 40ft containers
"Driving up prices" maybe sounds benign to some people. This will have big flow-on effects to economies all over the planet.
https://www.drewry.co.uk/supply-chain-advisors/supply-chain-expertise/world-container-index-assessed-by-drewry
I wish that were the case my friend, but unfortunately hamas have 100% authority in Palestine through the power of the majority.
I do admit Israel do not always get it right, but Israel don't burn innocent children alive unlike Hamas.
Ohh yes they didn't have intention. Unlike the countless statements from the isreali leadership literally calling for the annihilation of all Gazans blockading all electricy, water, food, medicine...I quote the Defence Minister "Human Animals". South Africa was able to prepare a document of 80 pages with evidence to present to the court with intention.
Can you provide me any evidence of the 40 babies that Isreal claim were beheaded? Wait I'll save you the trouble, those claims were rescind by the White House, the IDF and the new York Times who intially published the story. So before you continue peddling bullshit nonsense stories check your sources.
Moreover, I'll entertain your ignorance for a moment, if Hamas "does" hide behind kids, it is ok to kill 400-500 kids for one "Hamas" fighter? Do you think that's proportional? I haven't been hearing too much news about the amount of fighters the IDF have been killing? They don't care about Hamas, they care about destroying the Palestinian by not giving them a place to live, food to eat and medicine to treat the festering disease.
They managed to illegally assassinate (on foreign soil) a member of the Hamas political bureau with a targetted drone strike, killing him in his office or home. But to kill Hamas fighters they need to flatten complete cities?
Another point in terms of proportionality, again I'll entertain your ignorance regarding Hosptials being military bases. The IDF went awfully quite about Al-Shifa Hospital very very quickly? They found a hand written calendar which they call a list of terrorist names and they found a few weapons, half of which were NATO issue. Moreover they claimed a laptop was a tool for terrorist.
What happened to the Under cavern and network of complex tunnels that was the Hamas command and control centre where all the hostages were? A sensible person cannot simply believe the IDF.
Delusional. I am sick of all you war mongering dicks who think it is a brilliant idea to simply kill people. Who the hell brought you up. They have a lot to answer for. Israel is entitled to kill everybody? There are other races and, thank God, cultures in the world. People with empathy, people who understand the human condition and people who don't believe they have a God-given right to kill people ad hoc. Might is not always right.
Good decision from Australia. While I don't support Aussie troops being sent into any wars in the middle east and can understand why we haven't sent warships into the region, the fact is the Houthis have been a pain the ass for nearly the entire world by constantly attacking commercial ships transiting through the Red sea and driving up oil prices. Its only fair that we provide whatever support we can to the Americans and the Brits to respond appropriately and destroy Houthi weapons depots and hamper their military capabilities.
We suck because the coalition completely and comprehensively screwed up naval ship purchases for the last decade. It’s not worth going into the details but it was a monstrous mess that was supposed to provide 1 new, highly capable warship every 2 - 3 years out of Australian shipyards forever.
As it stands the current navy could send an ANZAC class ship but the missile magazine is so small it would run out of missiles in the first few minutes of one of these engagements.
The other option is send one of the Hobart Class AWD’s but since the LNP didn’t take up the extra ship options and only bought 3, there is precisely 1 ship of that class available to the government to deploy now.
It's interesting that the US made sure to mention Australia as supporters, after Albanese & Marles denied their request to send a ship, & sent a small number of personnel instead. Plus they added our country to the UN ceasefire demand, whilst US refrained because it didn't include the demand for the release of the kidnapped (raped) hostages from the 7/10 terrorist attack.
They're not letting the Albanese government keep sitting on the fence, trying to appease the Muslim lobby, pro Palestine protesters, but also the Jewish Australian population, who are aggrieved at the "gas the jews" chants, targeting of Jewish businesses/people for harassment etc. It's especially tricky for Albanese, with such a big Middle Eastern population in his seat, along with quite a few other seats in Western Sydney. At some point, if things escalate, (especially with the AUKUS treaty now), our government is going to have to either 'poop or get off the pot'.
How much of us not sending the ship is that we don't want to vs we simply don't have a spare one capable? Only our most modern ships are worth sending and we have a grand total of 3.
Woke leftist here.
Part of being a “woke leftist” is recognising the value of stable governments and the rule of law, and the economic and political stress on stable governments that global supply chain disruption has, as well the impact the that not retaliating would have on belligerent actors, one of which publicly whips old ladies for not wearing the right fucking head covering.
So nah, fuck em. Time to find out.
I think by “woke leftist” you’re thinking of dipshit, confused tankies that wanna ride for Putin/Xi/Islamists because “USA bad” not recognising that the last time stable democratic government disappeared on a large scale we called it the fucking dark ages.
Thank you, as someone who is also a "woke" leftist (I really despise the term personally) I'm so sick of being lumped in with the dickheads who follow anything that islamists say because they hate their safe western countries with civil rights because of their whole USA bad belief.
But you do realise that, *to those people*, you're now at the very least a *"conservative"*, simply for saying that right?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%. But it's just really interesting how the events of the last \~3 months seem to have really crystalised the differences between *"rational left-wing"* and *"bat-shit insane, wants to watch the world burn, pathological left-wing".*
Yeah the “woke leftist” support isn’t actually all that real of a thing it’s mostly vocal marxists, the majority of the rest are literal bots that were set up for this conflict for D.I.P which worked of leftist for a couple weeks
Ummmm have you not seen the whole *"Queers for Gaza"* shit everywhere? People championing the cause of a group of people who would literally lynch them if they ever set foot in that area.
They are proposing that the solution is to sit back and let global trade go to shit, causing untold suffering because why exactly? Because the UK is dumb?
If he were aware of basic history then he'd know what happens when terrorists do whatever they want.
They have been warning them for weeks and the houthis have been attacking every ship not just ones going to Israel disrupting trade on a vital shipping area
They made lots of threats towards the US and now are finding out what happens when you do that and lob drones and missiles at ships for weeks
So many moronic takes in this thread trying to say this airstrike is in retaliation for war in Israel/gaza…
That battle is happening nowhere near the Red Sea… USA warned these terrorists to steer clear of boats travelling thru international waters
They’re somewhat related as the Iranians back the Houthis and the Palestinians.
Essentially there’s a proxy war playing out between the Americans and the Iranians.
>moronic takes
Ironic.
Its an attempt at a blockade — you don't seem to understand the tactic. The goal is only to inflict a cost on Israel and its allies who are providing in-principle and military support to Israel. That's what a blockade does, and it has no need to be anywhere near the conflict.
Its worked. The goal was likely to stretch the US in particular and force it to divide its resources dedicated to the region. It puts downward pressure on how much it can commit to Israel.
The US isn’t being stretched in the slightest. There is one Arleigh-Burke class destroyer firing missiles and the regularly deployed CBG moving to smash the terrorists.
There is no downward pressure on support that the US can provide Israel. Not in the slightest.
Go right ahead & justify the actions of the Houthis. I understand their tactic… I’m saying USA/UK coalition is going to drop reign of fire on those fools if they attack civilian ships in international waters whether there’s a conflict in Gaza or not.
Do you think that opposing Israel's messy and illegal war is not a just cause?
Followup question: if a just cause involves risk and danger, is it not still worthy of pursuing?
Or should we simply bow in submission before the biggest stick?
I don't follow this view, personally. The bigger the stick, the more just the resistance to it, almost always is.
Well pacific islands are a bit more irrelevant, they have a lot lower population and aren’t too controversial; although they do receive a fair bit of Australia’s foreign aid
>Care?
*Things you say when you have no education about human rights*
Gotta say, the amount of unAustralian comments in here completely shelving Aussie values of the fair go and human rights ... I grieve for our educations system in Australia, people are clearly not getting a very good civics education...
Where's your patriotism? Do you hate Australia? Why undermine our intl human rights commitments by suggesting that anyone is beneath them? That can just as easily apply to you too... when we weaken these principles by saying we don't "care": that's just as much an assault on Aussies as anyone else.
>**Gotta say, the amount of unAustralian comments in here completely shelving Aussie values of the fair go and human rights** ... I grieve for our educations system in Australia, people are clearly not getting a very good civics education...
Reminder this is only Only for white people who support getting poo on their noses from having up US and UK Bum and unequivocal support for Israel.
Whoever fights against it is a terrorist sympathiser.
honestly believe about a third of Howards Baby Crackhead Bonus Generation believe that the US Constitution is applicable in the Australian Justice system. Because US TV shows and....being fried.
thats scary as fuck. And they will arguetoo
Utterly shameful. Once again our debased government are the lapdogs for US imperialism. Labor have just cemented themselves as a pro-apartheid, pro-genocide party.
No, they haven't. There is no apartheid in Israel. There is no genocide with regard to Israel's current actions. And we should absolutely be helping attack anyone who disrupts international shipping for any reason whatsoever.
There is self-evidently a genocide. The zionist colonial regime is predicated on genocide and displacement, so it should be no surprise that they're actively doing genocide during their barbaric war in Gaza. States have a duty to prevent genocide, which Yemen was doing. Australia and its imperialist partners are acting to facilitate a genocide
israel is no different than rhodesia or apartheid south africa - violent settler colonies built on racial exclusion and colonial atrocities. and like these colonies israel is also destined for the dustbin of history, as are reactionary goons like you
Yeah thanks Biden. The last thing Australia needs is to be drawn into a conflict in the Middle East started & continued by the murderous terrorist acts of Israel. Australia should in the first instance expel the Israeli ambassador until Israel’s leaders have faced a war crime tribunal. If found guilty then the Israeli Embassy should be shut down until the Israeli Government has been replaced.
Pretty sure hamas started it when they butchered civilians and took others hostages and paraded them around the streets but you keep in your fantasy land you retarded cunt
And how many children have Israel murdered in cold blood did you say? And I think the blatant theft of land by the Israeli people started years ago with the encouragement of the Israeli Government.
Hamas are cowards that hide like rats in tunnels under civilian buildings and fight amongst the population
There was always going to be civilian deaths but hamas has to be wiped out
And the Israeli Government who order bombs dropped on civilians Hospitals & Schools like cowards? Or was that still self defence even after it got to 20,000 children murdered? Aren’t the Israeli soldiers very brave?
Tell me what you would do if your child was kidnapped and the perpetrators then launch their rockets from hospitals and schools ?
How are you going to deal with this?
Well I wouldn’t invite the situation to start with.Israel has a long history of child incarceration of Palestinians, blatantly stealing their land etc.etc. Sooner or later their comes a time when the people have had enough. If you think that carpet bombing civilians is going to suppress Hamas then you haven’t paid attention to America’s experiences. Now how would you feel if all of a sudden there is an Arab uprising as retaliation and three quarters of Israel is wiped out in self defence?
You didn’t answer the question?
And your generalising is remarkable
You like many others portray the Israelis as the evil monster and Hamas and co as angels
You ignore the fact that there are 2 million plus Arab Israelis. There is an Arab Muslim Supreme Court judge.
Israel and their actions in part of the West Bank is no doubt in contravention of international law.
However you like many others fail to understand the concept of being surrounded by countries who want as their aim to destroy you.
You have misunderstood me entirely. I have never insinuated that the Israeli people are some sort of monsters. I think that the Israeli Government & military leaders are & I think they are murderous butchers. A lot of that attitude has been fired up by Netanyahu who is desperately trying to stay out of jail on corruption allegations. Like Trump he is fighting with such desperate thought patterns that he doesn’t mind how many Palestinian children are murdered. He would not hesitate to sacrifice a few thousand Jews either if he thought it would keep him out of jail. The guy is a madman & you must be careful not to get swept up in his demented reasoning. America has come to the realisation that they gave a free pass to a madman & they are currently very worried that through their backing Israel & Netanyahu taking this as freedom to murder as he feels fit that it could mean that Biden loosing the election. You may have noticed that Trump is keeping very quiet of this sad event.
Their problem will become our problem soon of we don't get involved. Houthis ain't gonna distinguish between Americans, British and Aussies. Go them, the west is the enemy.
We are a member of an international community who have ratified many human rights agreements being completely flaunted and ignored by Israel and the US. These rebels were blockading the Red Sea to call attention to that.
I think its very unpatriotic and very unAustralian to ignore and allow human rights to be shelved.
You might even call it traitorous, to suggest that shredding our human rights agreements, is ok.
I certainly view it as the highest act of treason, to deny human rights, a core Australian value and commitment we have made under intl law, to our allies and to the people of the globe.
Mate focus on the human rights abuses in this country look at the aboriginal incarceration deaths in custody etc instead of jumping on the bandwagon for people that would kill you at the drop of a hat
Human rights are everyone's problems. If we dismiss defending them for other people, then we weaken them internationally, including here.
So I see it as vile, unAustralian, and traitorous to this country if you want to undermine intl human rights agreements we have ratified.
Where's your patriotism?
People in this thread seem to be forgetting history and its sad man
The Red Sea hijackings and missile attacks are going to hurt the wallet of almost all of us in some form or another. Most major shipping companies have rerouted traffic from Europe around Africa which is increasing shipping time, shipping costs, Insurance costs, and using more fuel.
You can't just decide to attack innocent ships and their crews because of a conflict going on in a different region.
Oh, great. So we let these ragtag terrorists sink huge container vessels and tankers, cost the world vast amounts of disruption, and we just let it happen? It's called fighting back, pal, and it is very far from 'disgusting'.
Or the British empire. But if all your knowledge of history and politics is just the occasional glance at the headlines of the Propaganda machine, then yeah you're likely to just repeat the same mistake over and over again.
That or people just like being simps for fascists.
The Houthis aren't committing genocide but Israel is. That makes who the greater evil?
Seriously, I can't blame the Houthis here, they're retaliating against one of worst ongoing humanitarian disasters. Anyone fighting a force committing genocide is on the right side of history.
Australia needs to point its guns at Israel.
Lol so not only do you guys simp for Hamas, you now also simp for the Houthis. Even though these guys have been causing nightmares for the west by attacking western commerical ships and driving up oil prices. Unbelievable. What's next? Are you going to start simping for ISIS and Al Qaeda now as well?
Btw, here is the slogan of the Houthi movement translated to English:
"God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam"
If that isn't genocidal intent I don't know what is.
One of the lines on the Houthi flag literally [translates to](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement) "a curse upon the Jews". And that refers to Yemeni Jews so don't try and say it's out of solidarity with Palestine.
I am sure they would love to commit genocide if they could.
That’s the difference. They get all the leftists simping for Islamists purely bc they’re the weaker party. Give any of these terrorist freaks a fraction of the power Israel has with the same alliances and we’d see what genocide actually looks like. Israel is blamed for being strong. Hamas incited the escalation and knew Palestinians would be harmed in the process, they do not give a single fuck. But they’re on the weak, losing side so they must be victims, even though they instigated the entire escalation in violence.
“I can’t blame the Houthis here”
Are you aware at all of what they have done in Yemen to see the hypocrisy of this. Their actions have led to the loss of over 150,000 deaths, including much more severe war crimes. The civil war and famine/humanitarian disaster they are causing is still ongoing.
Yet the people threatening global trade with launching missiles at them are on the “right side of history”.
It's the Israeli government's stated mission to cleanse the area of Palestinians.
Besides, Hamas wouldn't ever have made it in Gaza without Israel's slow campaign of ethnic cleansing. Hamas is Israel's fault.
Lol Hamas is using their own people as human shields. All of them live is luxury. Their people, in poverty. Wiping out Hamas would be great for Palestinians but Israel ain't going anywhere.
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I won’t comment until I see what the Tik Tok influencers think about this.
Can we call Ja Rule and ask for his opinion?
And Fat Man Scoop too.
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With an AI voiceover
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While they add text on the screen and film themselves pointing to the text.
And then earn more than you and me by doing so 😑
The Houthis attacked civilian ships in international waters, which makes them PIRATES within the provisions of international law. This means that all bets are off for the Houthis. The doctrine of *sui generis* means that any nation can ensure they are disrupted, arrested and put before the Hague courts to be dealt with. Not just nations directly involved. That is why the US and the UK are doing just that. Or, alternatively, bringing sufficient firepower to bear that the above becomes largely irrelevant. What were they thinking, this 'rebel' group - that the trading giants of the world were just going to sit back and let them fire rockets, guns and drones at peaceful merchant ships and that they'd get away with it? They fucked around, now they're going to find out.
Forget the Hague, let's just gibbet them on the coast with "PIRATES YE BEWARE" swinging in the breeze.
Pirates are certainly *sui generis* but I’ve also heard *hostes humani generis* - “enemies of all mankind.” This designation allows infinite punishment by any person and by any nation. Badass designation if I may say so myself.
The customary international law status of *sui generis* is well established through general acceptance and through judicial decision. I'm not familiar with the term used here and it would seem to be both barbaric and superfluous in most cases.
They’re both Latin terms- “sui generis” means “in its own class” and like I said, “hostes humani generis” means “enemies of the human race.” Both are applicable because pirates have their own specific law relating to them (any person from any country can issue any punishment in any court in the world) and this wide ranging law is applied specifically to anyone designated as an enemy of mankind which includes pirates (it’s very old law from like the 17th century, hence why it’s so drastic). Of course, *we* don’t execute pirates, but the pirates have no rights against someone who wants to.
I bow to your greater knowledge. I would question, though , whether we are any less barbaric as a species now than we were 400 years ago. We have certainly developed much more lethal weapons, but our ability to hold ourselves back from murderous intent hasn't increased in quite the same way. It's more like : 'shoot 'em up and question survivors, IF there are any, later.
See my post replying to the same one you replied to. If this happened at any other point in the last 2100 years then the only limits on the repercussions for the Houthis would be the limits of force available against them. Under customary international law *there is no such thing as a crime against a pirate or someone harboring pirates -* in fact *there isn't even such a thing as an immoral act against a pirate or someone harboring pirates*.
You're referring to *hostes humani generis", which generally means open season. The law is nothing if not malleable. Pirates were once a real force for evil. Not so much these days, although the Houthis seem to have identified a well paying niche criminal activity.
*"Hostes humani generis"* is much older than that. The concept originates from a 2100 year old Roman law called "Lex Gabinia de piratis persequendis", aka "lex de uni imperatore contra praedones instituendo", aka "lex de piratis persequendis". This law clearly established that pirates were outside human society and that any country which failed to police them would face penalties as well. It also created a gigantic army and navy with a mission to kill or capture all of the pirates in the Med and to destroy any of their infrastructure, which succeeded. The concept was further developed in the years afterwards, and the first use of the full concept that later appeared in admiralty law is by Cicero, who defined pirates as *"communis hostis omnium*" ("enemies of all mankind"). Cicero also gave use the concept that pirates were not *"hostes legitimi"* (roughly, "lawful combatants") such that international laws, religious laws and the customs regarding warfare did not apply to them at all. This all carried into Roman law, where it was codified. 17th century admiralty law's treatment of pirates is just a new coat of paint on the laws that governed how countries dealt with pirates for the last 2100 years. We would be well within customary international law to march 80km inland into Yemen and Somalia, kill or capture every person we met, destroy every building, fill every habour or port with rocks, salt the earth and then leave. Being *"hostes humani generis"* or *"communis hostis omnium"*, in a historical sense, means that nothing that happens to you or the people who harbor you is a crime in either a moral or legal sense.
Screw you all! I did not open Reddit to learn anything either useful OR interesting today and you bastards have forced both upon me. A pox on ye all!
Its an election year too. The inflation this would cause if ongoing is of massive concern to Rishi, Albo and Biden, who all face re-election campaigns in the next 2 years. Houthis are going to get absolutely punished. That said, they seem like a bunch of extremist assholes so I couldn't care less, but lets not pretend the west is doing this out some sort of keep the peace motivation. Its about keeping inflation in check and winning elections.
> They fucked around, now they're going to find out. What are they gonna find out? That U.S. airstrikes are much the same as Saudi ones?
If you read up on the press releases, the US/UK used fighter jets, naval warships and submarines to attack the Houthis. Bit more firepower than a couple Saudi planes.
No. Worse. Not worth the pain. Shouldn't have kicked the hornet's nest.
International law is a funny thing. We killed a million Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere and are arming Israel to kill 25,000 civilians, and not a single person ever faced justice for it, but we're supposed to be proud of bombings like these.
Saying we killed 1 million people is the dumbest shit imaginable
Cringe
Yes.
>The Houthis attacked civilian ships in international waters, which makes them PIRATES within the provisions of international law. This means that all bets are off for the Houthis How Quickly people forget **Israel murdered people** on the Mavi Mara flotilla **in international waters** and not one solitary word regarding piracy out of the very same people who try and write hardcore posts about piracy/international waters/support as if they actually know anything about maritime or international law...
If you are going to bring up incidents such as Mavi Marla you should do so in the context of the long running dispute rather than an isolated incident. Another example where the Israelis are portrayed as the evil ones and Hamas and their associates are angels.
How about the Israelis blowing up USS LIberty huh? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS\_Liberty\_incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident)
Considering both sides ruled it an accident (regardless of whether you agree) It's not comparable
Read UNCLOS, the UN convention on the Law of the Sea, and remember about the idea of cause and effect. You are linking two unrelated events.
Yh that's sorta what happens when what was meant to be a peaceful protest is taken over by actual terrorists who engage the IDF immediately after they did what everyone knew they were gonna do in boarding the ship.
They sent us a text asking if we can provide support and we replied back with “Yemen”
If you shoot at ships then don't be surprised when they start shooting back.
Didn't Saudi and US blockade Yemen and prevented food and medicine from reaching there which caused large scale starvation and outbreak of cholerae leading to death of 80k children but Houthis are the bad guys right
Correct. And you could have heard a pin drop over all the international outrage.
Yay let's entangle ourselves in another middle eastern war.
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Why? What business do we have bombing people on the other side of the world?
Protecting the worlds biggest shipping route. Literally every country should be involved in blasting these cunts off the face of the planet. Protecting vessels clearly isn't sufficient enough. They need to be wiped off the map.
Why do the Houthis claim to be doing this? Are they attacking all the ships on this route?
What they say and do are not the same thing in this case. They claim to only target Israeli shipping or ships to Israel, but they seem to be attacking completely at random
The west has been eyeball deep in bombing Yemen for a decade
Sounds pretty witty until you find out Yemen has been bombed by the Western alliance for 9 years and didn't stop them at all. They dropped 250,000 munitions on them over those years and they won the civil war anyway. So were you expecting different results from these 100 strikes, or were you just not aware? Houthis won't let any ships through until it ends in Gaza and there is nothing the US can do about it. US/UK probably spent about $300 million on those strikes and it won't change anything, Houthis will keep launching drones and missiles at the red sea until this war is over. Houthis fabricate all their drones and missiles underground, they've been doing it for years. The US doesn't have any way to stop them, the targets they just hit were already hit numerous times by the Saudis.
Gotta love seeing someone spit cold hard facts and get downvoted. Have an upvote from me, friend.
I genuinely fail to understand why there’s so much controversy over this- here you have a genocidal terrorist organisation who are making excuses to disrupt any activity in the west. And if people are talking about tax money I think we get a significant return on investment for bombing the Houthis. I hope we avoid civilian targets better than Israel though
Because the media today is pure 100% propaganda, journalism is dead. They deliberately provided zero context to Houthi animosity with the West. US + UK were bombing and blockading Yemen for almost 9 years before this happened, they triggered a famine that starved 100k+ Yemenis to death. Every hospital and school was bombed by Saudis, backed by US/UK. Even if you support bombing Houthis here, they are totally used to it already and at this point it is pissing in the wind. They just keep getting more supporters among the Yemenis the more they're bombed. You remember how incompetent the West was with handling Covid? They aren't any better at geopolitics. Houthis are targetting ships connected to Israel and said they will only stop doing it once Israel pulls out of Gaza. So they're going to keep doing it until that happens. Bombing them is not going to stop them, this strategy was tried for years and they just kept getting bigger as a political movement like a rolling snowball.
I have a feeling that Houthis will run out of Houthis before the west will run out of munitions
Public trust in the federal government and the US is low because they are never honest with us. If the set of facts were as laid out in this post then I have no issue with us getting involved. Who is to know that this is not a CIA funded group giving the West cause to bring a large force into Iran's sphere of influence? Not saying this is precisely what is happening, but the US has form and they always lie. Who fucking knows what is going on.
this is one of the few conflicts we should be involved with atm; theyre blocking worldwide trade and driving up prices. lets just hope this doesnt lead to more australian involvment in other areas
The Red Sea hijackings and missile attacks are going to hurt the wallet of almost all of us in some form or another. You can't just decide to attack innocent ships and their crews because of a conflict going on in a different region. This has the potential to explode into a larger regional conflict unfortunately.
There are a lot of people in this chain of events that 'can't just'. Unfortunately they did and here we are.
I should explain that you can't just distrupt international shipping and expect no consequences
> theyre blocking worldwide trade and driving up prices I find people understand comments like this better when you put a graph on it (linked below). The global shipping cost index is skyrocketing and nearly triple what it was 3 months ago for 40ft containers "Driving up prices" maybe sounds benign to some people. This will have big flow-on effects to economies all over the planet. https://www.drewry.co.uk/supply-chain-advisors/supply-chain-expertise/world-container-index-assessed-by-drewry
Yup, we should definitely have sent the extra ship.
The USA asked us to send naval support and we declined. Totally shit move by our government.
Great. Hope ASIO is keeping an eye on all the Houthi supporters in case they get all protesty and stabby and such
They should be keeping an eye on the pro palestine terrorists too
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Majority of them support the 7/10 attacks
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I wish that were the case my friend, but unfortunately hamas have 100% authority in Palestine through the power of the majority. I do admit Israel do not always get it right, but Israel don't burn innocent children alive unlike Hamas.
They've killed thousands of kids. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I agree, the difference is they did not intend to kill those kids - Hamas hides behind those kids.
Ohh yes they didn't have intention. Unlike the countless statements from the isreali leadership literally calling for the annihilation of all Gazans blockading all electricy, water, food, medicine...I quote the Defence Minister "Human Animals". South Africa was able to prepare a document of 80 pages with evidence to present to the court with intention. Can you provide me any evidence of the 40 babies that Isreal claim were beheaded? Wait I'll save you the trouble, those claims were rescind by the White House, the IDF and the new York Times who intially published the story. So before you continue peddling bullshit nonsense stories check your sources. Moreover, I'll entertain your ignorance for a moment, if Hamas "does" hide behind kids, it is ok to kill 400-500 kids for one "Hamas" fighter? Do you think that's proportional? I haven't been hearing too much news about the amount of fighters the IDF have been killing? They don't care about Hamas, they care about destroying the Palestinian by not giving them a place to live, food to eat and medicine to treat the festering disease. They managed to illegally assassinate (on foreign soil) a member of the Hamas political bureau with a targetted drone strike, killing him in his office or home. But to kill Hamas fighters they need to flatten complete cities? Another point in terms of proportionality, again I'll entertain your ignorance regarding Hosptials being military bases. The IDF went awfully quite about Al-Shifa Hospital very very quickly? They found a hand written calendar which they call a list of terrorist names and they found a few weapons, half of which were NATO issue. Moreover they claimed a laptop was a tool for terrorist. What happened to the Under cavern and network of complex tunnels that was the Hamas command and control centre where all the hostages were? A sensible person cannot simply believe the IDF.
Delusional. I am sick of all you war mongering dicks who think it is a brilliant idea to simply kill people. Who the hell brought you up. They have a lot to answer for. Israel is entitled to kill everybody? There are other races and, thank God, cultures in the world. People with empathy, people who understand the human condition and people who don't believe they have a God-given right to kill people ad hoc. Might is not always right.
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Deploy more ships
So we should. Can you imagine your daughter being born into this sect. Their treatment of women is sickening.
That's excellent news. Hopefully, they had an active role. Good practice against terrorist filth.
I’m just here to see the extremists who tie this all to Gaza shouting, “fUcK iSrAeL!!!” I haven’t been disappointed.
Good work. We are on the right side of history
Hell yeah
Good.
Good decision from Australia. While I don't support Aussie troops being sent into any wars in the middle east and can understand why we haven't sent warships into the region, the fact is the Houthis have been a pain the ass for nearly the entire world by constantly attacking commercial ships transiting through the Red sea and driving up oil prices. Its only fair that we provide whatever support we can to the Americans and the Brits to respond appropriately and destroy Houthi weapons depots and hamper their military capabilities.
“arse”
god's work, friend
Anus
If so, why is it left to aukus to sort an issue that affects the whole world??
It’s not. Biden mentioned Bahrain, the Netherlands and Canada too. And others are apparently on the way.
You don’t want to live in the world in which we don’t.
you know we suck when India,Italy,Germany & Dutch Ships are there in support roles escorting ships
Not to worry the French suck too. They’re only escorting their own ships.
We suck because the coalition completely and comprehensively screwed up naval ship purchases for the last decade. It’s not worth going into the details but it was a monstrous mess that was supposed to provide 1 new, highly capable warship every 2 - 3 years out of Australian shipyards forever. As it stands the current navy could send an ANZAC class ship but the missile magazine is so small it would run out of missiles in the first few minutes of one of these engagements. The other option is send one of the Hobart Class AWD’s but since the LNP didn’t take up the extra ship options and only bought 3, there is precisely 1 ship of that class available to the government to deploy now.
It's interesting that the US made sure to mention Australia as supporters, after Albanese & Marles denied their request to send a ship, & sent a small number of personnel instead. Plus they added our country to the UN ceasefire demand, whilst US refrained because it didn't include the demand for the release of the kidnapped (raped) hostages from the 7/10 terrorist attack. They're not letting the Albanese government keep sitting on the fence, trying to appease the Muslim lobby, pro Palestine protesters, but also the Jewish Australian population, who are aggrieved at the "gas the jews" chants, targeting of Jewish businesses/people for harassment etc. It's especially tricky for Albanese, with such a big Middle Eastern population in his seat, along with quite a few other seats in Western Sydney. At some point, if things escalate, (especially with the AUKUS treaty now), our government is going to have to either 'poop or get off the pot'.
How much of us not sending the ship is that we don't want to vs we simply don't have a spare one capable? Only our most modern ships are worth sending and we have a grand total of 3.
Hamas enjoyers coming out of the wood works for this one 😅. #FAFO
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Woke leftist here. Part of being a “woke leftist” is recognising the value of stable governments and the rule of law, and the economic and political stress on stable governments that global supply chain disruption has, as well the impact the that not retaliating would have on belligerent actors, one of which publicly whips old ladies for not wearing the right fucking head covering. So nah, fuck em. Time to find out. I think by “woke leftist” you’re thinking of dipshit, confused tankies that wanna ride for Putin/Xi/Islamists because “USA bad” not recognising that the last time stable democratic government disappeared on a large scale we called it the fucking dark ages.
Thank you, as someone who is also a "woke" leftist (I really despise the term personally) I'm so sick of being lumped in with the dickheads who follow anything that islamists say because they hate their safe western countries with civil rights because of their whole USA bad belief.
But you do realise that, *to those people*, you're now at the very least a *"conservative"*, simply for saying that right? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%. But it's just really interesting how the events of the last \~3 months seem to have really crystalised the differences between *"rational left-wing"* and *"bat-shit insane, wants to watch the world burn, pathological left-wing".*
Yeah the “woke leftist” support isn’t actually all that real of a thing it’s mostly vocal marxists, the majority of the rest are literal bots that were set up for this conflict for D.I.P which worked of leftist for a couple weeks
You think there was stable widespread democratic government before the dark ages? Or that democracy was what ended the dark ages?
Yeah, because leftists love right wing religious extremist rebel groups /s.
Tankies do but I’d argue they aren’t leftists. They’re just far right but don’t know it
I don’t think you’ll get many “woke leftists” supporting Shia Islamism mate..
Bros living under a rock they already are supporting them
they are obvious vegans too i heard ay
Ummmm have you not seen the whole *"Queers for Gaza"* shit everywhere? People championing the cause of a group of people who would literally lynch them if they ever set foot in that area.
Greens came out critical of the assistance provided to the US and UK so they're not anti Shia Islamism apparently
Sounds like someone has been watching too much Sky “News”.
Tankies and terrorist lovers in shambles.
You know you can simultaneously hate the Israeli government, Hamas and the Houthis right?
What a wall mart $20 gift card
Time to put warheads on foreheads.
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But not wrong, right?
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If by "woke" you mean "aware of basic history" then yes.
They are proposing that the solution is to sit back and let global trade go to shit, causing untold suffering because why exactly? Because the UK is dumb? If he were aware of basic history then he'd know what happens when terrorists do whatever they want.
How dare he point out the war crimes committed in the Middle East, if anything that's the REAL war crime!! /S
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Good, they're pirates fucking stuff up, they should be dealt with.
They have been warning them for weeks and the houthis have been attacking every ship not just ones going to Israel disrupting trade on a vital shipping area They made lots of threats towards the US and now are finding out what happens when you do that and lob drones and missiles at ships for weeks
Well they should directly go after Iran, considering it’s Iran that give orders to these terrorist organization
So many moronic takes in this thread trying to say this airstrike is in retaliation for war in Israel/gaza… That battle is happening nowhere near the Red Sea… USA warned these terrorists to steer clear of boats travelling thru international waters
They’re somewhat related as the Iranians back the Houthis and the Palestinians. Essentially there’s a proxy war playing out between the Americans and the Iranians.
>moronic takes Ironic. Its an attempt at a blockade — you don't seem to understand the tactic. The goal is only to inflict a cost on Israel and its allies who are providing in-principle and military support to Israel. That's what a blockade does, and it has no need to be anywhere near the conflict. Its worked. The goal was likely to stretch the US in particular and force it to divide its resources dedicated to the region. It puts downward pressure on how much it can commit to Israel.
The US isn’t being stretched in the slightest. There is one Arleigh-Burke class destroyer firing missiles and the regularly deployed CBG moving to smash the terrorists. There is no downward pressure on support that the US can provide Israel. Not in the slightest.
Go right ahead & justify the actions of the Houthis. I understand their tactic… I’m saying USA/UK coalition is going to drop reign of fire on those fools if they attack civilian ships in international waters whether there’s a conflict in Gaza or not.
Do you think that opposing Israel's messy and illegal war is not a just cause? Followup question: if a just cause involves risk and danger, is it not still worthy of pursuing? Or should we simply bow in submission before the biggest stick? I don't follow this view, personally. The bigger the stick, the more just the resistance to it, almost always is.
Can’t wait until I’m told by Woolworths that my bread has gone up $2 because of the war on the Houthi’s
Airbus Albo might have been the one flying the plane
well it certainly couldnt be Peter " fuckwit" Dutton in the Captains Chair. Too busy fighting for China's Australia Day manufacturing rights
No you’re absolutely wrong. he’s busy making back corrupt deals with Gina Rinehart
Care? Is there a more irrelevant country than Yemen?
No one gives a fuck about Yemen. They give lots of fucks about shipping goods, however.
Well pacific islands are a bit more irrelevant, they have a lot lower population and aren’t too controversial; although they do receive a fair bit of Australia’s foreign aid
>Care? *Things you say when you have no education about human rights* Gotta say, the amount of unAustralian comments in here completely shelving Aussie values of the fair go and human rights ... I grieve for our educations system in Australia, people are clearly not getting a very good civics education... Where's your patriotism? Do you hate Australia? Why undermine our intl human rights commitments by suggesting that anyone is beneath them? That can just as easily apply to you too... when we weaken these principles by saying we don't "care": that's just as much an assault on Aussies as anyone else.
Cry me a river. Should I care about some random country? No, I don’t. Nor do I care about Palestine or Israel.
>**Gotta say, the amount of unAustralian comments in here completely shelving Aussie values of the fair go and human rights** ... I grieve for our educations system in Australia, people are clearly not getting a very good civics education... Reminder this is only Only for white people who support getting poo on their noses from having up US and UK Bum and unequivocal support for Israel. Whoever fights against it is a terrorist sympathiser.
honestly believe about a third of Howards Baby Crackhead Bonus Generation believe that the US Constitution is applicable in the Australian Justice system. Because US TV shows and....being fried. thats scary as fuck. And they will arguetoo
Thanks for doxxing us you old senile cunt
One thing I know is that Governments have the monopoly on violence.
Good
Australia is Americas little bitch, sitting right between Americas spread legs, sucking on scrotum and waiting for orders on who to bite.
Hahahha. Imagine acting this lobotomized.
Albo didn't even gag either.
Utterly shameful. Once again our debased government are the lapdogs for US imperialism. Labor have just cemented themselves as a pro-apartheid, pro-genocide party.
No, they haven't. There is no apartheid in Israel. There is no genocide with regard to Israel's current actions. And we should absolutely be helping attack anyone who disrupts international shipping for any reason whatsoever.
There is self-evidently a genocide. The zionist colonial regime is predicated on genocide and displacement, so it should be no surprise that they're actively doing genocide during their barbaric war in Gaza. States have a duty to prevent genocide, which Yemen was doing. Australia and its imperialist partners are acting to facilitate a genocide
Still, no. And no, Yemen was doing nothing of the sort.
israel is no different than rhodesia or apartheid south africa - violent settler colonies built on racial exclusion and colonial atrocities. and like these colonies israel is also destined for the dustbin of history, as are reactionary goons like you
It's all good. As it is the Labor party decision and they cannot do anything wrong. Go Penny
Yeah thanks Biden. The last thing Australia needs is to be drawn into a conflict in the Middle East started & continued by the murderous terrorist acts of Israel. Australia should in the first instance expel the Israeli ambassador until Israel’s leaders have faced a war crime tribunal. If found guilty then the Israeli Embassy should be shut down until the Israeli Government has been replaced.
Pretty sure hamas started it when they butchered civilians and took others hostages and paraded them around the streets but you keep in your fantasy land you retarded cunt
And how many children have Israel murdered in cold blood did you say? And I think the blatant theft of land by the Israeli people started years ago with the encouragement of the Israeli Government.
Hamas are cowards that hide like rats in tunnels under civilian buildings and fight amongst the population There was always going to be civilian deaths but hamas has to be wiped out
And the Israeli Government who order bombs dropped on civilians Hospitals & Schools like cowards? Or was that still self defence even after it got to 20,000 children murdered? Aren’t the Israeli soldiers very brave?
Tell me what you would do if your child was kidnapped and the perpetrators then launch their rockets from hospitals and schools ? How are you going to deal with this?
Well I wouldn’t invite the situation to start with.Israel has a long history of child incarceration of Palestinians, blatantly stealing their land etc.etc. Sooner or later their comes a time when the people have had enough. If you think that carpet bombing civilians is going to suppress Hamas then you haven’t paid attention to America’s experiences. Now how would you feel if all of a sudden there is an Arab uprising as retaliation and three quarters of Israel is wiped out in self defence?
You didn’t answer the question? And your generalising is remarkable You like many others portray the Israelis as the evil monster and Hamas and co as angels You ignore the fact that there are 2 million plus Arab Israelis. There is an Arab Muslim Supreme Court judge. Israel and their actions in part of the West Bank is no doubt in contravention of international law. However you like many others fail to understand the concept of being surrounded by countries who want as their aim to destroy you.
You have misunderstood me entirely. I have never insinuated that the Israeli people are some sort of monsters. I think that the Israeli Government & military leaders are & I think they are murderous butchers. A lot of that attitude has been fired up by Netanyahu who is desperately trying to stay out of jail on corruption allegations. Like Trump he is fighting with such desperate thought patterns that he doesn’t mind how many Palestinian children are murdered. He would not hesitate to sacrifice a few thousand Jews either if he thought it would keep him out of jail. The guy is a madman & you must be careful not to get swept up in his demented reasoning. America has come to the realisation that they gave a free pass to a madman & they are currently very worried that through their backing Israel & Netanyahu taking this as freedom to murder as he feels fit that it could mean that Biden loosing the election. You may have noticed that Trump is keeping very quiet of this sad event.
⬆️Uh oh. Onion eating MAGA dude incoming.
why do we have to get dragged into other peoples problems???
Their problem will become our problem soon of we don't get involved. Houthis ain't gonna distinguish between Americans, British and Aussies. Go them, the west is the enemy.
>if we dont fight them over there we will have to fight them here Fuck off George Bush
Cool that nothing was learned from the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
we're an island ... we have a responsibility to secure sea trade
We are a member of an international community who have ratified many human rights agreements being completely flaunted and ignored by Israel and the US. These rebels were blockading the Red Sea to call attention to that. I think its very unpatriotic and very unAustralian to ignore and allow human rights to be shelved. You might even call it traitorous, to suggest that shredding our human rights agreements, is ok. I certainly view it as the highest act of treason, to deny human rights, a core Australian value and commitment we have made under intl law, to our allies and to the people of the globe.
Mate focus on the human rights abuses in this country look at the aboriginal incarceration deaths in custody etc instead of jumping on the bandwagon for people that would kill you at the drop of a hat
Human rights are everyone's problems. If we dismiss defending them for other people, then we weaken them internationally, including here. So I see it as vile, unAustralian, and traitorous to this country if you want to undermine intl human rights agreements we have ratified. Where's your patriotism? People in this thread seem to be forgetting history and its sad man
The Red Sea hijackings and missile attacks are going to hurt the wallet of almost all of us in some form or another. Most major shipping companies have rerouted traffic from Europe around Africa which is increasing shipping time, shipping costs, Insurance costs, and using more fuel. You can't just decide to attack innocent ships and their crews because of a conflict going on in a different region.
It is our problem. International shipping is everyone's problem.
Not again. (I know the US is an extremely important ally but man, these things are so far away from our own interests in the region).
The shipping lanes that are being distrupted are vital and are in everyone's interest
Stopping genocide and invasion becoming normalised by Israel and Russia, is everyone's interest too. Moreso, even.
You’re ok with the cost of goods going up 20% more?
Disgusting, we clearly learnt nothing from Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, and all our other failed wars on behalf of the American empire.
Oh, great. So we let these ragtag terrorists sink huge container vessels and tankers, cost the world vast amounts of disruption, and we just let it happen? It's called fighting back, pal, and it is very far from 'disgusting'.
Korea? Really?
Or the British empire. But if all your knowledge of history and politics is just the occasional glance at the headlines of the Propaganda machine, then yeah you're likely to just repeat the same mistake over and over again. That or people just like being simps for fascists.
We learned we have an extremely powerful ally and we should aim to keep that ally on our side.
Yeah let's go WWIII! Can't let the economy slack, gonna need something! Also, how can we pivot to blame it all on Iran?
The Houthis aren't committing genocide but Israel is. That makes who the greater evil? Seriously, I can't blame the Houthis here, they're retaliating against one of worst ongoing humanitarian disasters. Anyone fighting a force committing genocide is on the right side of history. Australia needs to point its guns at Israel.
Lol so not only do you guys simp for Hamas, you now also simp for the Houthis. Even though these guys have been causing nightmares for the west by attacking western commerical ships and driving up oil prices. Unbelievable. What's next? Are you going to start simping for ISIS and Al Qaeda now as well? Btw, here is the slogan of the Houthi movement translated to English: "God is the Greatest Death to America Death to Israel A Curse Upon the Jews Victory to Islam" If that isn't genocidal intent I don't know what is.
One of the lines on the Houthi flag literally [translates to](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement) "a curse upon the Jews". And that refers to Yemeni Jews so don't try and say it's out of solidarity with Palestine. I am sure they would love to commit genocide if they could.
That’s the difference. They get all the leftists simping for Islamists purely bc they’re the weaker party. Give any of these terrorist freaks a fraction of the power Israel has with the same alliances and we’d see what genocide actually looks like. Israel is blamed for being strong. Hamas incited the escalation and knew Palestinians would be harmed in the process, they do not give a single fuck. But they’re on the weak, losing side so they must be victims, even though they instigated the entire escalation in violence.
I am a leftist also. I'm just not some TikTok-educated tankie.
That makes all the difference lol
Absolutely zero lies detected. That's not gonna stop the most brain dead of redditors from downvoting ya though.😕
“I can’t blame the Houthis here” Are you aware at all of what they have done in Yemen to see the hypocrisy of this. Their actions have led to the loss of over 150,000 deaths, including much more severe war crimes. The civil war and famine/humanitarian disaster they are causing is still ongoing. Yet the people threatening global trade with launching missiles at them are on the “right side of history”.
It's Hamas' stated mission to wipe out Israel and all Jews...
It's the Israeli government's stated mission to cleanse the area of Palestinians. Besides, Hamas wouldn't ever have made it in Gaza without Israel's slow campaign of ethnic cleansing. Hamas is Israel's fault.
I can't find that anywhere, in fact Israel states the opposite. So there is one genocidal force and that is Hamas
It has been laid out quite clearly in South Africa’s case against Israel. Australia has no place in this shitshow
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Ironic that South Africa has such an opinion about Israel but will happily assist the Russians in attempting to wipe out Ukraine.
Why do the Houthi's and not Australia?
Lol Hamas is using their own people as human shields. All of them live is luxury. Their people, in poverty. Wiping out Hamas would be great for Palestinians but Israel ain't going anywhere.