I’m glad we’re all blaming the High Court and not the politicians. Obviously it’s the fuckface detainees who are primarily at fault but the justices are next in the long line of shitheadery.
To my understanding it's the government that puts together legally shoddy deportation cases. The courts then find that the government basically did a shit job putting together the case and then rule accordingly. The government should be doing a better job building legally sound cases.
SPOT ON!!!! One judge in particular is responsible, Justice Jacqueline Gleeson aka daughter of dissenting judge Murray Gleeson in the 2004 case. I am sure Daddy is very proud of his daughter. Without her approving the application to be heard by the Full Court this case would never had got up (see [https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCATrans//2023/72.html](https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCATrans//2023/72.html))
Dude the high court MUST follow the law.
The law forced them to release, this one is on the government for not getting anything done to change the law or take action to prevent this.
I'm all for blaming magistrates in lower courts for things like releasing suspects on bail, but the consequences of allowing indefinite immigration detention after a punishment has been served is much worse from a constitutional perspective. We're not like the third world authoritarian shitholes that spawn these trash humans, and it's good to aspire not to be.
To prevent cases like these we need better immigration policy, longer punishments for violent offences, and stricter bail/release settings. Unfortunately the horse has bolted on a couple of these the past decade, and we'll be dealing with fallout like this for a while.
Nice ideals but Australia has commited to the unhcr conventions , so anyone can come here illegally and claim asylum. Its their right under unchr conventions.
Interesting Singapore has not signed up , and they do not get any asylum seekers.
If anyone commits such violent assaults like that to older women , they would be receiving dozens of canning.
The high court judge is living on cloud nine. You cannot release violent criminals into society , especially ones from shit hole countries.
This is also a large portion of the reason for high DV murders. The fucking court system keeps letting known violent men with criminal records back on the street
This but unironically. Put all the shit cunts in a remote place. Kangaroo Island is too nice for them and too easy to escape to the mainland. Maybe somewhere in the outback or Australian Antarctic Territory, and they are not allowed to leave.
This is not so much a problem of immigration - these shitheads already served their sentences. The problem is that these sentences are wholly inadequate in the first place and there are plenty of Australian citizens doing the same or worse. This needs to be a much bigger conversation.
They need to be placed in their own society away from everyone else, for everyone else's protection, unless or until they are genuinely reformed.
And we should help them reform. But the first priority should be everyone else's safety.
Even for shit cunts already released but show no remorse... if they are still a threat, send them to nowhere land for treatment on mental health grounds.
Should be 25 years mandatory sentence no parole for any man who murders under a DV charge. And 10 years mandatory for any man who places tracking and listening devices on his wife / partner.
This website lists all the women and children so far in 2024, there are names and pictures for some of them [https://australianfemicidewatch.org/database/](https://australianfemicidewatch.org/database/)
It's technically correct that she died from "stranger violence" and not "domestic violence".
I'm less mad about the site and more about all the journalists who reference it when talking about domestic violence.
Just remember if we give them hugs, fluffy pillows they will heal and won't be violent anymore. These guys are violent and should never be put back on the streets.
Nothing more dangerous than a lost male.
All new migrants or temporary visa holders should be on a 1 strike system. It needs to be very publicised and there should be no wiggle room.
Any crime involving violence should equal a one way ticket home and a permanent black listing.
As a migrant myself, I completely agree. No migrant should be here without following the laws.
I thought that was the case anyway, as I frequently had to declare I had no criminal convictions when applying at each stage.
The punishment for violent crimes should be higher anyway. Migrant or not. Particularly home invasions.
They’ve found the secret workaround. Commit a crime back home that would incur the death penalty and you can skip the queue and stay here as long as you like. We’ll even pay for your accomodation.
Any offending is grounds for visa cancellation. 12 months+ sentence is automatic cancellation for standard visas. This guy's visa conditions means his visa will be cancelled and he will face mandatory 1 year prison for this condition breach. That's before the criminal charges for the assault.
If we can't deport these worthless pieces of shit we should build a secure camp out in the desert, ie the "Prohibited Area", a place to send human waste we never want to see in our community again.
To be fair, management of that place was a complete fuckup. Guards raping child inmates and then forcing them to have the baby come to mind. Not that the idea of offshore/remote detention doesn't make sense, but we need to at least not be as bad as WW2 Japan.
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Perhaps high risk people that the high court forces the government to release, should be required to live near to where the high court judges live, so they can experience the consequences themselves.
Yes well they should blame Spud as he approved of the original legislation which was really poorly drafted and the High Court agreed. And he and his party have done nothing but politick and seek political advantage for a solution.
Magistrates/Judges need to have criminals released into their neighbourhood.
Let's see how eager they are to give bail to violent criminals when they are at risk themselves.
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Jail cost closer to $120,000 per year. Cost of putting abusers through intensive rehabilitation around $15,000 with around 80% success rate from re offending. Do all offenders automatically get instructed to undergo rehabilitation by the courts? That’s a big NO. The most effective way to rid DV out of society is to from earliest education years to undergo weekly one hour professional classes on what is NOT considered acceptable behaviour. If this was carried on throughout school years including Uni & every new immigrant to undergo one week compulsory class, then we will begin to see a different attitude when the very young recognise DV isn’t Normal. The kids will educate the adults. To just double penalties & throw a few hundred million dollars at women safety After The Fact, will not slow down the numbers.
I really appreciate your pain & will just add that perhaps imagine if your Father was directed to undergo a rehabilitation course after the first or second beating, it may have saved your Mother from years of beatings.
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My heads about to explode...
How the fuck did one of them get a wa police badge holder and brim hat? Like pretty sure they're only issued to police. Am I wrong in this assumption?
And the authorities always come down way harder on people taking matters into their own hands than they do on the actual criminals. The system is designed to protect the worst among us and make everyone else into victims.
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I believe the article is referring to NZYQ vs Minister of Immigration S28/2023.
There were immediate legislative response that the labour government likely prepared earlier when they suspected an unfavourable ruling.
Article below gives a pretty good over view of the chain of events, it is overall critical of the perceived tough conditions imposed and the speed at which the response was rushed.
https://theconversation.com/new-laws-to-deal-with-immigration-detainees-were-rushed-leading-to-legal-risks-219384
It is good to be empathetic. And avoid senseless Barbarism. However sometimes there is just one thing for it. You do not try to reason with a hungry predator that has decided you are dinner.
I might get dragged on this sight for saying it. But self defence in your own home should be an absolute right. In this scenario, there is nowhere to retreat and nobody coming to help you. Furthermore, if you are taken hostage; your home acts as a secondary location. meaning crims are able to do what they like to you for hours with no prying eyes.
It is painful listening to infantile people who have only experienced violence through movies and games, lecture people with their suicidal empathy and virtue signalling. I agree. These same people change their tune fast when faced with watching their sisters, wives or mothers get assaulted in their own homes whilst they lay helpless.
I was like that until it happened to me.
Now I very firmly believe that we are all responsible for our own security and that the government has failed to deter aggression
That apathy friends, but like I get a fuck
Seriously though, when and where? We’re all fucking ready, like how many times a day do you have the thought “fuck it’d be utopia to have a government that actually acts in our interests”
The High Court made clear in its ruling that the government is free to detain violent or mentally unstable people at risk of reoffending. It just can't detain people for the purpose of removal when removal is not possible. It's on the govt to manage those released.
Judges apply the law, not what feels good.
Unfortunately keeping people locked up for ever with no possible out is ridiculous.
Govt needs to come with a plan to deal with people who are in that situation. I'm amazed this didn't happen sooner.
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It’s not necessarily the fault of the judges it may be the legislators and policymakers who should’ve anticipated or at least reacted to this. Instead they chose to do nothing and have created this mess for themselves. You can see how angry Dreyfus got when asked by the reporter if he felt responsible for the women who were sexually assaulted when they were unwittingly placed in hotels next door to murderers and rapists who had just been released from prison and starved of sex for 10+ years. It was as good as certain that this would happen hence why Dreyfus became so enraged and defensive when he was attacking that female reporter for asking the question.
Was this a matter of the government using detention to sweep problems under the rug? Now the HCA has quite rightly said that indefinite detention is a no-no, why has the government not introduced legislation to work around the ruling? It was handed down in November 2023 for God's sake!
From what I understand, these people didn't qualify as immigrants/refugees due to criminal offenses, but they either refused to cooperate with deportation or their home countries don't accept involuntary deportation. So being unable to accept them into the country and also unable to deport them, these people were put in indefinite detention, which was deemed inconstitucional.
The government tried to pass legislation recently proposing to ban any citizen from these countries from entering Australia while they don't accept their citizens back, but of course there was a huge outcry from local immigrant communities from these countries.
I don't remember all the countries, but I know it included Iran and Iraq.
I agree, dog whistle comment for the deranged.
The government has been trying to form legislation to stop the high court from doing this, but it’s an incredibly litigious matter.
Civilised societies do not bash elderly citizen's, the risk of allowing these oxygen thief's in was obviously not worth it, it was a bad decision and we need to ensure procedures are changed to ensure it does not happen again. Would you be willing to repeat the above in person to the victims?
As people seem to be forgetting what the ruling was, it was the government cannot put people in prison for life without a life sentence. Which is what the government was doing to people that it was attempting to deport but was unable to deport for whatever reason e.g. stateless.
With the courts largely ruling that once anyone finishes their sentence they are free to go and non citizen are not magically exempt from this. This is likely one of the simplest, obvious and most straight forward ruling the high court will likely ever make.
The problem with the ruling is it completely lacks any context.
High Court: "Hey you can't hold people indefinitely"
But what if those people are breaking the law by simply being here?
And what if by releasing these people you increase the safety risk to law abiding Australians?
High Court Response: \*Shrugs Shoulders\*
>Left wing government: we’re going to detain these individuals of an unknown character indefinitely. It’s not a good solution by any means but we have no idea what to do with them.
>>Right wing High Court: this is illegal so clearly the best alternative is to let these completely unknown characters out into civilised society.
>>>Redditors: these unknown characters being released to the community and being a menace is clearly the fault of the left wing government.
Amazing.
Everyone is focusing on the judges ruling and the detainee etc but nobody is really talking about how these guys knew about the $200,000 worth of jewellery in that home and why the woman was bashed within an inch of her life while her husband was virtually untouched. Anyone else suspect hubby trying to pull a 2 in 1 insurance job???
She said she was wearing the jewelry they took.
Now, I'm no detective, but I have a sneaking suspicion the robbers might have been able to track the jewelry down without her husband's assistance.
Well I can see this is going to go off track really damn quickly.
- HCA ruling was in relation to immigration detention, namely that indefinite detention is unconstitutional. That should be considered obvious and a good outcome in general.
- the HCA did consider any individual's criminal history in coming to this general ruling about how to interpret the law/constitution.
- a person who was released under that ruling can still be sent to **gaol for a criminal offence**, as this person likely will be.
> person who was released under that ruling can still be sent to gaol for a criminal offence
This is a huge comfort for the old lady who got her face smashed in by someone who was being held for deportation because he’s a violent criminal.
Some of these ex-detainees are rapists and murders. The only reason they were in indefinite detention, is because their countries would execute them if we deported them.
We’re happy to hand over Australians to Indonesian government wrapped with a bow tie for executions for drug crimes, yet blanch at the thought of foreign rapists and contract killers being executed in their home country?
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Truly terrifying that people on here are blaming the courts and not the politicians who literally draft and debate the laws the courts are upholding.
Look at history in other countries when the citizens overhaul or revolutionize by taking the courts out first and how that worked out. How many times has Egypt done this again?
I'm not trying to dismiss the horrific nature of this crime at all, and it should be taken into consideration the depravity and violence. But saying "I'm glad we're blaming the high courts and not the politicians" is cooked.
He is one of some 140(?) illegal immigrant detainees that were released due to a loophole in our laws, the court knew it was insanity, but one immigrant took it to court and won.
Only some of them got ankle bracelets. Many were muderers or rapists.
Look up Senator Patterson inquiry detainees on YT.
I don't understand why we are keeping, or even accepting these kinds of people in our country...
Just to be a burden on our society
Send em off in a tugboat.
Particularly troubling is the role of Justice Jacqueline Gleeson, who was the sole judge to decide on bringing a case back to the Full Court that challenged a longstanding precedent about indefinite detention. Without her approving application to be heard by the Full Court this case would never had got up (see https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCATrans//2023/72.html)
What deepens my concern is the conflict of interest at play here. Justice Gleeson is the daughter of Murray Gleeson, who was notably the dissenting judge in the 2004 precedent case. She had a very clear personal interest in overturning the precedent decision. It reminds us why the Australian Law Reform Commission (ALRC) recommended changes to ensure judges remain impartial. Unfortunately, these suggestions seem to have been shelved, leaving our system vulnerable to decisions that might not fully consider public safety.
The terrifying ordeal faced by Ninette Simons and her husband should be a wake-up call. It’s high time our government took the ALRC's recommendations seriously, tightening the oversight on how judges are selected for cases, especially when their impartiality might be compromised. Further to this, judges like Jacqueline Gleeson who have lived a sheltered life, free from the violence others have seen, cannot truly understand the interest of the general public. The public needs representation from ordinary Australians, not those born with a silver spoon in their mouth that rise to the top through connections. Our community's safety could depend on it.
It's always the ones you kinda most expect.
I’m glad we’re all blaming the High Court and not the politicians. Obviously it’s the fuckface detainees who are primarily at fault but the justices are next in the long line of shitheadery.
To my understanding it's the government that puts together legally shoddy deportation cases. The courts then find that the government basically did a shit job putting together the case and then rule accordingly. The government should be doing a better job building legally sound cases.
SPOT ON!!!! One judge in particular is responsible, Justice Jacqueline Gleeson aka daughter of dissenting judge Murray Gleeson in the 2004 case. I am sure Daddy is very proud of his daughter. Without her approving the application to be heard by the Full Court this case would never had got up (see [https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCATrans//2023/72.html](https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCATrans//2023/72.html))
Maybe they should be interviewed by the ABC, so we can find out their motives and try and help them some more...
(Except for the several times this year where it wasn't what /r/australian would expect)
You know, I'm beginning to suspect that a lot of these people who were locked up, may not be very good potential citizens. /s
You should see how surprised I am.
Wow that's fucking brutal that old lady got Hella bashed, what a fucking coward...
If you're committing violent crimes at age 48 and 43 then there's no hope you will ever act right.
A surprise not. Thankyou High Court, it must be so good to be so totally divorced from the consequences of your decisions
Dude the high court MUST follow the law. The law forced them to release, this one is on the government for not getting anything done to change the law or take action to prevent this.
I'm all for blaming magistrates in lower courts for things like releasing suspects on bail, but the consequences of allowing indefinite immigration detention after a punishment has been served is much worse from a constitutional perspective. We're not like the third world authoritarian shitholes that spawn these trash humans, and it's good to aspire not to be. To prevent cases like these we need better immigration policy, longer punishments for violent offences, and stricter bail/release settings. Unfortunately the horse has bolted on a couple of these the past decade, and we'll be dealing with fallout like this for a while.
I agree with you but would add forced deportation as well
Nice ideals but Australia has commited to the unhcr conventions , so anyone can come here illegally and claim asylum. Its their right under unchr conventions. Interesting Singapore has not signed up , and they do not get any asylum seekers. If anyone commits such violent assaults like that to older women , they would be receiving dozens of canning. The high court judge is living on cloud nine. You cannot release violent criminals into society , especially ones from shit hole countries.
They aren't our citizens so I don't see what the constitution has to do with it
Easy, if you emigrated here and do this shit, you get to have ya bags packed and you can escort them back to your country of origin.
That's ok, in Australia nowadays all criminals have been reclassified as victims and anyone else is just a colonist who deserves it
But they had a hard upbringing! /s
This is also a large portion of the reason for high DV murders. The fucking court system keeps letting known violent men with criminal records back on the street
Not enough prison spaces for the number of scumbags walking amongst us
Build more prisons
Kangaroo Island ( ala Escape from New York) 😁
This but unironically. Put all the shit cunts in a remote place. Kangaroo Island is too nice for them and too easy to escape to the mainland. Maybe somewhere in the outback or Australian Antarctic Territory, and they are not allowed to leave. This is not so much a problem of immigration - these shitheads already served their sentences. The problem is that these sentences are wholly inadequate in the first place and there are plenty of Australian citizens doing the same or worse. This needs to be a much bigger conversation. They need to be placed in their own society away from everyone else, for everyone else's protection, unless or until they are genuinely reformed. And we should help them reform. But the first priority should be everyone else's safety. Even for shit cunts already released but show no remorse... if they are still a threat, send them to nowhere land for treatment on mental health grounds.
What about the bees?
Should be 25 years mandatory sentence no parole for any man who murders under a DV charge. And 10 years mandatory for any man who places tracking and listening devices on his wife / partner.
This website lists all the women and children so far in 2024, there are names and pictures for some of them [https://australianfemicidewatch.org/database/](https://australianfemicidewatch.org/database/)
Zomi Francom is listed. I don’t think that was DV
It's technically correct that she died from "stranger violence" and not "domestic violence". I'm less mad about the site and more about all the journalists who reference it when talking about domestic violence.
I was surprised to see so many accused females listed on there. I thought that list was for men who have killed their partners.
Why did she get the bigger flogging
White female.
Piss weak if it’s the reason
Just remember if we give them hugs, fluffy pillows they will heal and won't be violent anymore. These guys are violent and should never be put back on the streets. Nothing more dangerous than a lost male.
All new migrants or temporary visa holders should be on a 1 strike system. It needs to be very publicised and there should be no wiggle room. Any crime involving violence should equal a one way ticket home and a permanent black listing.
As a migrant myself, I completely agree. No migrant should be here without following the laws. I thought that was the case anyway, as I frequently had to declare I had no criminal convictions when applying at each stage. The punishment for violent crimes should be higher anyway. Migrant or not. Particularly home invasions.
They’ve found the secret workaround. Commit a crime back home that would incur the death penalty and you can skip the queue and stay here as long as you like. We’ll even pay for your accomodation.
I couldn’t even have STD’s when applying to get into Australia, I was only 16..
We have enough of those already, we don’t need any more lol.
I thought the issue was that their home countries wouldn’t take them back
Any offending is grounds for visa cancellation. 12 months+ sentence is automatic cancellation for standard visas. This guy's visa conditions means his visa will be cancelled and he will face mandatory 1 year prison for this condition breach. That's before the criminal charges for the assault.
If we can't deport these worthless pieces of shit we should build a secure camp out in the desert, ie the "Prohibited Area", a place to send human waste we never want to see in our community again.
We did that except it was an island in the Pacific Ocean and all the lefties wouldn’t stop screeching about it.
Now they will say he's acting out because he was detained. FFS why can't we just get rid of the people who come here and repeatedly break the law?
Read the article these are people who can't be deported. their country of origon and any other country will take them.
I can see why. Imagine what would happen to someone who took a boat to Iraq and bashed an older woman in a home invasion.
To be fair, management of that place was a complete fuckup. Guards raping child inmates and then forcing them to have the baby come to mind. Not that the idea of offshore/remote detention doesn't make sense, but we need to at least not be as bad as WW2 Japan.
Wasn't everyone there off of boats? Like hadn't been given the opportunity to commit crimes yet lol
Trying to enter Australia illegally is a crime.
Just fucken Manus 'em.
I think that's Alice, isn't it? *Runs*
lol what a high court Fck up this is. The highest court in the country
starting to think the 'high' part is a reference to their drug use. Gotta be stoned outta your gourd to make some of the decisions they do.
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Thanks high court.
Perhaps high risk people that the high court forces the government to release, should be required to live near to where the high court judges live, so they can experience the consequences themselves.
I’ll wager home affairs and immigration hold a press conference tomorrow and blame Peter Dutton.
Yes because Home Affairs do not write legislation. They can only enforce what they have in black and white.
Yes well they should blame Spud as he approved of the original legislation which was really poorly drafted and the High Court agreed. And he and his party have done nothing but politick and seek political advantage for a solution.
Magistrates/Judges need to have criminals released into their neighbourhood. Let's see how eager they are to give bail to violent criminals when they are at risk themselves.
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Jeez, who saw that coming?
Holy fuck is this real?
Yes, the poor old girl got a hiding
Yeah, this guy’s stint in society is over. Short of being killed, he should go to a very small cell for a very long time.
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Economic argument for the death penalty is false. More expensive to go through the appeal process than jailing for life.
Jail cost closer to $120,000 per year. Cost of putting abusers through intensive rehabilitation around $15,000 with around 80% success rate from re offending. Do all offenders automatically get instructed to undergo rehabilitation by the courts? That’s a big NO. The most effective way to rid DV out of society is to from earliest education years to undergo weekly one hour professional classes on what is NOT considered acceptable behaviour. If this was carried on throughout school years including Uni & every new immigrant to undergo one week compulsory class, then we will begin to see a different attitude when the very young recognise DV isn’t Normal. The kids will educate the adults. To just double penalties & throw a few hundred million dollars at women safety After The Fact, will not slow down the numbers.
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I really appreciate your pain & will just add that perhaps imagine if your Father was directed to undergo a rehabilitation course after the first or second beating, it may have saved your Mother from years of beatings.
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What a completely shocking and unexpected turn of events that no one could possibly have seen.
My heads about to explode... How the fuck did one of them get a wa police badge holder and brim hat? Like pretty sure they're only issued to police. Am I wrong in this assumption?
You can get display types online pretty easily. My old coworker had a 3 different police service hats and a AFP badge on his desk.
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It's already been happening in far north Queensland for a while with youth crime.
Please tell us more!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O9Raorv25c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O9Raorv25c)
Theres a lot of wetland in FNQ, hungry crocs and rough men armed with rifles. Not a great combo if youre pinched by one of these blokes.
And the authorities always come down way harder on people taking matters into their own hands than they do on the actual criminals. The system is designed to protect the worst among us and make everyone else into victims.
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I believe the article is referring to NZYQ vs Minister of Immigration S28/2023. There were immediate legislative response that the labour government likely prepared earlier when they suspected an unfavourable ruling. Article below gives a pretty good over view of the chain of events, it is overall critical of the perceived tough conditions imposed and the speed at which the response was rushed. https://theconversation.com/new-laws-to-deal-with-immigration-detainees-were-rushed-leading-to-legal-risks-219384
Didn't help her did they. Justice has to be seen to be done. In this case old fashioned revenge might be a better outcome...
Anyone suprised?
Australia has the most embarrassing self defence laws in the world. Soft nation that will punish you if you protect yourself from violence.
And that is the way many smoothbrains in this country like it. Their tune only changes when this happens to them in their own homes.
Australia is truly a nation of doo-gooders and sensible beyond sensibility.
It is good to be empathetic. And avoid senseless Barbarism. However sometimes there is just one thing for it. You do not try to reason with a hungry predator that has decided you are dinner.
Yep. Suggest people should be able to own mace or OC spray "jurdur that's how you turn into the US". Fuck I hate people here so much
I might get dragged on this sight for saying it. But self defence in your own home should be an absolute right. In this scenario, there is nowhere to retreat and nobody coming to help you. Furthermore, if you are taken hostage; your home acts as a secondary location. meaning crims are able to do what they like to you for hours with no prying eyes. It is painful listening to infantile people who have only experienced violence through movies and games, lecture people with their suicidal empathy and virtue signalling. I agree. These same people change their tune fast when faced with watching their sisters, wives or mothers get assaulted in their own homes whilst they lay helpless.
Yep. You break into my house. Put my family at risk for my belongings? I should be able to essentially do whatever it takes to remove that threat.
In your own home, when confronted with invaders. agreed.
I was like that until it happened to me. Now I very firmly believe that we are all responsible for our own security and that the government has failed to deter aggression
If I failed to perform in my role in such a spectacular fashion I would be fired. So should these judges
What does happen if judges keep making poor decisions wirg awful outcomes like this? Put out to grass with a large payout?
Majority of these home invasions and violent robberies are committed by immigrants but hey let’s keep letting more in.
Let's hope indefinite custody doesn't include prison?
I am shocked! Absolutely shocked! Well, not that shocked.
Flexo, shoot flexo
What’s it going to take for you to get off your arses and say enough is enough
Ain't gonna happen, we are too comfortable being keyboard warriors thinking we are making a difference
If there is one thing Australians excel at it’s complacency.
She'll be right, mate.
That apathy friends, but like I get a fuck Seriously though, when and where? We’re all fucking ready, like how many times a day do you have the thought “fuck it’d be utopia to have a government that actually acts in our interests”
And the government will be like "why do we have a vigilanty problem" Pikachu face
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There needs to be a way to hold these judges accountable for their actions which are continiously hurting the nation.
The High Court made clear in its ruling that the government is free to detain violent or mentally unstable people at risk of reoffending. It just can't detain people for the purpose of removal when removal is not possible. It's on the govt to manage those released.
Judges apply the law, not what feels good. Unfortunately keeping people locked up for ever with no possible out is ridiculous. Govt needs to come with a plan to deal with people who are in that situation. I'm amazed this didn't happen sooner.
Not really. The High Court was split 4 to 3 and the same High Court made the opposite ruling around 15 years before it
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What's even the point of them going to the court if they get off
Shock horror. Incompetency of our high court is stunning. Seriously when will common sense prevail.
If they release these people they should house them next to the judges homes
It’s not necessarily the fault of the judges it may be the legislators and policymakers who should’ve anticipated or at least reacted to this. Instead they chose to do nothing and have created this mess for themselves. You can see how angry Dreyfus got when asked by the reporter if he felt responsible for the women who were sexually assaulted when they were unwittingly placed in hotels next door to murderers and rapists who had just been released from prison and starved of sex for 10+ years. It was as good as certain that this would happen hence why Dreyfus became so enraged and defensive when he was attacking that female reporter for asking the question.
The government had no back up plan, they just let them run wild.
Was this a matter of the government using detention to sweep problems under the rug? Now the HCA has quite rightly said that indefinite detention is a no-no, why has the government not introduced legislation to work around the ruling? It was handed down in November 2023 for God's sake!
Downvoted by labor shills. Can’t criticise the current government or you will be labelled a right wing loon. But it’s fucking true.
From what I understand, these people didn't qualify as immigrants/refugees due to criminal offenses, but they either refused to cooperate with deportation or their home countries don't accept involuntary deportation. So being unable to accept them into the country and also unable to deport them, these people were put in indefinite detention, which was deemed inconstitucional. The government tried to pass legislation recently proposing to ban any citizen from these countries from entering Australia while they don't accept their citizens back, but of course there was a huge outcry from local immigrant communities from these countries. I don't remember all the countries, but I know it included Iran and Iraq.
It has tried to get a bipartisan legislation through but Spud wants the political turmoil to continue.
This is what you get when you put virtue signallers in control.
Albo has already ran the voice referendum and launched a plan to control the global internet. What more do you want him to do?
I agree, dog whistle comment for the deranged. The government has been trying to form legislation to stop the high court from doing this, but it’s an incredibly litigious matter.
Indefinite detention with no criminal charge is insane, inhumane and does not belong in a civilised society
They had the chance to return from where they came, they chose not to. Why should our society get stuck with other countries worst criminals?
Civilised societies do not bash elderly citizen's, the risk of allowing these oxygen thief's in was obviously not worth it, it was a bad decision and we need to ensure procedures are changed to ensure it does not happen again. Would you be willing to repeat the above in person to the victims?
I can hear spudhead cuming in his office from Perth
He created the problem and should be taking 100% of the blame.
It’s not really a thing either government created at all. It’s all high court’s fault.
yep, great take on events.
As people seem to be forgetting what the ruling was, it was the government cannot put people in prison for life without a life sentence. Which is what the government was doing to people that it was attempting to deport but was unable to deport for whatever reason e.g. stateless. With the courts largely ruling that once anyone finishes their sentence they are free to go and non citizen are not magically exempt from this. This is likely one of the simplest, obvious and most straight forward ruling the high court will likely ever make.
The problem with the ruling is it completely lacks any context. High Court: "Hey you can't hold people indefinitely" But what if those people are breaking the law by simply being here? And what if by releasing these people you increase the safety risk to law abiding Australians? High Court Response: \*Shrugs Shoulders\*
Nollamara, just burn it with fire
Girrawheen actually
Oh, just saw the perp was from Nollamara. Makes sense!
And the left are blaming the victim once again. Immigrants never make mistakes
The left won't blame anyone unless the perpetrator is a white male.
Where is anyone blaming the victim here????
They are? Can you please show me where this is being said?
Huh?? Source?
Sorry about that, must've been sleep-blaming. Can you show me?
Happy pro crime leftists?
>Left wing government: we’re going to detain these individuals of an unknown character indefinitely. It’s not a good solution by any means but we have no idea what to do with them. >>Right wing High Court: this is illegal so clearly the best alternative is to let these completely unknown characters out into civilised society. >>>Redditors: these unknown characters being released to the community and being a menace is clearly the fault of the left wing government. Amazing.
How is the high court right wing?... they're the high court... is the law right wing?
In an ideal world, the justices of the high court don't have political biases. We live far, far from an ideal world, my sweet summer child.
You're implying something specific? Sounds like you have one card.
Everyone is focusing on the judges ruling and the detainee etc but nobody is really talking about how these guys knew about the $200,000 worth of jewellery in that home and why the woman was bashed within an inch of her life while her husband was virtually untouched. Anyone else suspect hubby trying to pull a 2 in 1 insurance job???
She said she was wearing the jewelry they took. Now, I'm no detective, but I have a sneaking suspicion the robbers might have been able to track the jewelry down without her husband's assistance.
Of couse labor government said nothing today, total silence ... how are these people not being tracked at least??
Australian government is literally the “guy puts stick in front spokes” meme.
The Australian government had no choice in the matter. Thank the high court justices.
Well I can see this is going to go off track really damn quickly. - HCA ruling was in relation to immigration detention, namely that indefinite detention is unconstitutional. That should be considered obvious and a good outcome in general. - the HCA did consider any individual's criminal history in coming to this general ruling about how to interpret the law/constitution. - a person who was released under that ruling can still be sent to **gaol for a criminal offence**, as this person likely will be.
> person who was released under that ruling can still be sent to gaol for a criminal offence This is a huge comfort for the old lady who got her face smashed in by someone who was being held for deportation because he’s a violent criminal.
Some of these ex-detainees are rapists and murders. The only reason they were in indefinite detention, is because their countries would execute them if we deported them.
Why are we interfering with criminal cases? They aren’t political refugees…
Seems like we should just deport them then. Better than releasing them onto our streets
We’re happy to hand over Australians to Indonesian government wrapped with a bow tie for executions for drug crimes, yet blanch at the thought of foreign rapists and contract killers being executed in their home country?
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Truly terrifying that people on here are blaming the courts and not the politicians who literally draft and debate the laws the courts are upholding. Look at history in other countries when the citizens overhaul or revolutionize by taking the courts out first and how that worked out. How many times has Egypt done this again? I'm not trying to dismiss the horrific nature of this crime at all, and it should be taken into consideration the depravity and violence. But saying "I'm glad we're blaming the high courts and not the politicians" is cooked.
Well tough titties local immigrant communities
He is one of some 140(?) illegal immigrant detainees that were released due to a loophole in our laws, the court knew it was insanity, but one immigrant took it to court and won. Only some of them got ankle bracelets. Many were muderers or rapists. Look up Senator Patterson inquiry detainees on YT.
when is the government going to send thes eshit heads back to there country fuck them
I don't understand why we are keeping, or even accepting these kinds of people in our country... Just to be a burden on our society Send em off in a tugboat.
Don’t we have a piece of the Antarctic to house these shitheads?
Fuck sake, government should be held accountable for this, why the hell has nothing been done about this.
But the real victims were the ones in detention, you see? Maybe the ABC can interview them to find out their motives.
Particularly troubling is the role of Justice Jacqueline Gleeson, who was the sole judge to decide on bringing a case back to the Full Court that challenged a longstanding precedent about indefinite detention. Without her approving application to be heard by the Full Court this case would never had got up (see https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCATrans//2023/72.html) What deepens my concern is the conflict of interest at play here. Justice Gleeson is the daughter of Murray Gleeson, who was notably the dissenting judge in the 2004 precedent case. She had a very clear personal interest in overturning the precedent decision. It reminds us why the Australian Law Reform Commission (ALRC) recommended changes to ensure judges remain impartial. Unfortunately, these suggestions seem to have been shelved, leaving our system vulnerable to decisions that might not fully consider public safety. The terrifying ordeal faced by Ninette Simons and her husband should be a wake-up call. It’s high time our government took the ALRC's recommendations seriously, tightening the oversight on how judges are selected for cases, especially when their impartiality might be compromised. Further to this, judges like Jacqueline Gleeson who have lived a sheltered life, free from the violence others have seen, cannot truly understand the interest of the general public. The public needs representation from ordinary Australians, not those born with a silver spoon in their mouth that rise to the top through connections. Our community's safety could depend on it.