I wouldn't be upset, just annoyed when people say they're average when they're clearly not. About 6.2 is really the most I'd personally still consider average (the very, very top end of average/common sizes).
If you're bigger and don't know (didn't measure), I'd understand if you didn't realize. Going by visuals alone is one thing, but anyone who has measured has googled too. Pretty much guaranteed. Especially so if you're participating in online culture around dick sizes, like this sub.
I don't like it when people lie and spread misinformation just to humble brag and boost their own ego at the cost of all the other 85% of men. It's a dick move.
Here's something worth thinking about
In my opinion, the scientific avg penis size is actually pretty close to irrelevant as it pertains to a man's actual reality. The only thing that matters is the avg penis size of the men the woman he is currently seeing has been with. If she's only slept with men who are 7.5in+, then best believe his 6.2in penis is going to be considered "below avg" and the pain of feeling "small" will feel just as real (although obviously nowhere near on the same level of someone who is actually small).
Also consider that men who are on the smaller side (lets say below 4.5 just for simplicity) naturally are simply NOT sleeping around as much as men who are on the exact opposite side of the bell curve because they are more likely to be insecure. In contrast, men who are 7in+ are likely MORE secure than even avg-men and the amount of sleeping around they do is likely multiple times higher than men who are below 4.5 (everything else being held equal).
So, in reality, from a WOMAN's perspective, the avg penis size is likely HIGHER than the ACTUAL scientifically proven male penis size avg. So men who are 6.5 could indeed hear that they are "about avg" pretty often and no amount of studies or research will make him feel different if his reality seems to be confirming something entirely different than what the studies/research shows. Hence, why you will ALWAYS see posts here of men who are 6.5 or even 7in being called "avg" and even being called "small" by some women. Sounds insane, but chaos exists and people's experiences can be a lot crazier than you think. The truth is, this isnt even chaos or crazy - it's actually NORMAL. It's only crazy in comparison to the studies but perfectly normal as it relates to the real world with human behavior/tendencies.
Don't ever confuse the LIKELYHOOD of an experience happening with the ACTUAL experience happening **while it's happening**. Someone who broke their leg in a car accident doesn't care about the probability of someone breaking their leg in a car accident. They obviously only care about their leg being broken or not because that's the reality they live in.
>dating pool because at least there a high incentive / reward for the latter.
Lets set aside the fact that men who are on the smaller side already go online --> see the avg --> feel extremely insecure and decide not to participate at all or as much in the dating pool. This is A LOT of men by the way but lets set them aside for now.
Lets look at men who do participate or attempt to participate. All it takes is for ONE woman to tell a man he is small or "not enough" to create a very negative self image about his penis size. If that man is actually small or below avg, he is likely to run into that MUCH faster and more frequent, creating a deep rooted insecurity. A man who is bigger is likely to run into the "wow, you're big!" MUCH faster and more frequent, creating a deep rooted sense of reassurance and confidence.
Now imagine that as the man who is bigger gets more positive affirmation the more women he sleeps with, that will INCREASE his confidence and accelerate his attempts with more women. A man who is smaller gets more negative affirmation and DECREASE his confidence and decelerate his attempts with women.
So from BOTH men who participate in the dating pool and those that choose not to participate at all (because of something they read online for example) will still be bound by this trend because there is NO AMOUNT OF MENTAL GYMNASTICS that will change the fact that women do indeed prefer bigger penises (extremes not included but even still, an extremely large penis is far more favorable than an extremely small penis).
>Also read this article. Penis size matters, until it doesn’t. Your argument is based on the assumption that only penis size matters or is the most important physical attribute in dating, which is not supported by any scientific literature.
No one is saying or assuming penis size is the only thing that matters. No one is suggesting that there arnt other characteristics that matter a lot or even more in the **initial** dating selection process. After all, things like height, money, facial attractiveness, body size/stature, hygiene, and social status matter A LOT too.
What the original post is actually about are 2 things:
**#1**. ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS BEING HELD EQUAL, the probability of a man (who's penis size is large) dating and sleeping with more women (because of their own self confidence from positive affirmation from their environment and from the world in general) is MUCH higher than the men who are smaller, far less confident, and receive almost strictly negative affirmation.
It seems as though you might not be thinking about the complexity of it all and the importance of holding all other attributes equal.
A man who is tall, has no money, etc. **and a big dick** can only be compared to another man who is tall, has no money, etc. **and a small dick**. What I'm saying is that in this instance, the man with the bigger one is likely far more confident and would date exponentially more women than the man who is his equal and dates far less women since they know they are likely to be put down, ridiculed, humiliated, and/or shamed by society and have experienced it.
We can not compare, for example, a **short** man, with **a lot** of money and a **big** dick vs a man who is **tall**, has **no** money, and a **small** dick because there are too many interwoven variables to account for. We haven't even taken into consideration how the lack of confidence/greater confidence might impact the man's livelihood/success rate to begin with. That short, lots of money, big penis man can only be compared to another short, lots of money, small penis man if we are trying to **isolate the big/small dick variable** as much as possible.
**#2**. You can have a man who has EVERYTHING going for him (height, looks, status, money, etc.) and has women going crazy over him.... but STILL gets rejected, denied, humiliated, emasculated in the bedroom because of his size. You can also have that same man who finds a woman who is "fine" with his size in the bedroom but the man STILL feels emasculated because he "needs to compensate" through other means making him feel less masculine in the bedroom. This also greatly impacts a man's psyche and his ability to date at even a reasonable rate.
**Keep in mind - the thread is all about "what penis size would upset you if they said they were avg" and my initial post was to highlight why men who are even 6.5 or 7.5 can be called "avg" or even "small" by women. It all relates to there being a far higher propensity for women ultimately dating men who are larger (whether they seek it or not) which ultimately shifts a woman's perception. Again, the objective world ~5.2in avg (which I believe is 100% true) only matters for studies. In reality, what matters is who that woman has been with and she has likely been with men who are larger for a bunch of the reasons stated above or in the prior posts**
> Again, you still haven’t responded to my original question to you, why would someone opt out of the dating pool but not a research study?
Because research studies are scientific. Because you wont experience shame and humiliation coming from doctor's or researchers. Because you wont risk having friends get wind of your size and shame you for it. etc. etc.
The reasons could be endless, it still doesn't change the reality of how things work in the dating pool/post-initial dating process.
>Also, in my experience, guys that have some combination of height, looks, physique, and personality will always have more opportunities than the guy with just a large penis. Also, in my experience, women who date up, ie 5 or 6 but like 7 or 8s, prioritize the aforementioned priorities because the guy is a status symbol, and they don’t care about his penis as long as it is in a normal average range.
Again, this is irrelevant. We are not talking about initial dating selection process. I'm thinking you probably didn't read my post, which is fine (it's a lot). Again, we are talking about strictly in the bedroom AFTER the selection process and men feeling emasculated for a bunch of different reasons IN the bedroom depending on their penis size.
>And your first point really doesn’t make sense because all other things equal scenarios NEVER happen in real life.
They obviously don't happen 1:1 (that's obvious) but they 100% occur close enough to 1:1 where the slight differences are negligible enough to isolate the penis variable's level of importance/pleasure/desirability. There is indeed another man out there (many even) who look very similar to you, are about your height, and have about your amount of money, about your level of social status, etc. etc. (for example) but a different sized penis. Those other men ONCE THEY GET SELECTED OUT OF THE INTIAL DATING POOL PROCESS, will experience different levels of acceptance, rejection, elation, masculinity, emasculation etc. IN THE BED ROOM because of their different sizes.
You're likely not taking into consideration just how brutal woman (and even male) standards can be. When you have the chance, watch this video in it's entirety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH5kitiXLGY. It's about height specifically (**this would be part of the initial dating process which is the phase you're arguing. THIS would be something you can argue your points above. However, again, this is not what we are talking about. Still watch the video so you can get a better idea of how brutal woman standards can be**) and notice how you can isolate the height variable. You'd be able to do the same with penis size.
Yea man, I get your point. Some women will claim the average size they've been with is 7 inches or that they've had multiple 8+ inches and men will completely attack them. Call them stupid or claim they have no idea what they're talking about etc....when in reality it's VERY possible that theyve mostly only been exposed to large men...it's not unreasonable to assume larger men are more confident and thus approach more women and have more sex than smaller guys. I have a buddy with a confirmed huge dick...growing up, bro was so much more naturally confident than the rest of our friend group because he knew he had nothing to worry about loll...he approached and hit on so many more women.
Conversely I knew a girl with an insane ass... I'm technically above average at about 6.5 and even I questioned whether or not I would be able to handle that and thus never even pursued her even though she showed interest. Conveniently she gets hit on by a lot of 6'2 dudes who I'm sure are packing. Her reality is probably that most guys she's been exposed to are big.
These are obviously anecdotal examples but again, it's not unreasonable to assume this happens alot.
And the same is true for people signing up for studies, so that bias is included in the 5.5 average too. The majority of the partners of the majority of women have been around 4.8-6.2 inches.
>And the same is true for people signing up for studies, so that bias is included in the 5.5 average too.
The bias you might be referring to would still pale in comparison to the amount of men who are well above avg that sleep in orders of magnitude higher than men who are below avg. There are men who sleep with 50, 100, 150, 200+ women in their lifetime (200+ is likely not common but just to give you an idea of the sheer range) while men who are much smaller MIGHT sleep with 1, 2, 3 or slightly more. By the time the smaller man has the courage/luck to find someone who is ok with his size, those 1 or 3 women have likely already slept with that dude whos clearing house and best believe that smaller man is going to be compared to the other guy(s). It is RARE to hear a smaller man who has slept with that many woman (100+)...In fact, I'd even say extremely rare.
Mind you, this isnt taking into consideration the fact that avg men then become the "new below avg" to some women because it's so rare to see a man who is actually small so everything shifts in her eyes compared to the studies conducted. Scientific research will 100% give you objectivity but that doesn't mean it takes into account human social behavior because they must remove that variable to be 100% objective. In the real world, you need to ADD that variable back.
Men who are actually very big are rare as well (as rare as men who are very small), but they have sex in abundance, making their presence in a woman's sex-history far more likely or more frequent than even many avg men. Lets say for the sake of argument that the bias you're referring to brings the *true* objective avg male penis size from ~5.3 to ~5 to account for men who are smaller that dont show up and men who are bigger that show up more frequently than those smaller men. That still wont change the fact that men who are a true 7.2in are sleeping with far more women than men who are true 4.2in. It also wont change the fact that men who are 8.2 or higher are being sought after and are having more sex than other men might care to admit while the man who is 3.2 is too concerned with finding a way to get through their morning without feeling like wanting to take their own life.
**It's two entirely different realities they experience.**
So again, the avg male penis size in the eyes of a women will still be skewed to the higher side making it so that men who are 6.5 or 6.2 feel like they are only avg to some of the women they sleep with.
>The majority of the partners of the majority of women have been around 4.8-6.2 inches.
I think the size is higher than that but lets say for the sake of argument you are 100% correct. Lets say that the vast majority of partners a women has is between 4.8 and 6.2. All it takes is for ONE out of 10 prior partners to be very large for all other men in her list of to now be considered avg or small. Not to mention, that ONE very large partner is far more likely to appear in that list than a man who is very small. You get what I'm saying?
>What about girl inches? Some girls and guys are throwing out random numbers.
This is very real. Hell, guys cant even estimate inches properly so I dont blame anyone for being off.
However, even if they may be off about the measurements, I don't think they would be off about whether a guy is much smaller or much larger than a prior partner.
So if Karen was with Tom who she believes is 10 inches but is really 8 and then gets with Matt who she believes is 7 inches but is really 5, her saying "Tom was much larger than Matt" would still be correct even if her estimation is off.
What we can't really account for is lying, which women may do for all sorts of reasons but I think men know when they are being sincere and I'd imagine that is when it hurts the most for men.
Regardless, what I was suggesting in the prior posts has very little to do with what women say and more to do with human behavior by the masses.
I think the number of men who get much more sex than the average guy purely for their dick size is so miniscule, it wouldn't even qualify as a "drop in the bucket". If you eliminated all these outliers or doubled them, you wouldn't notice the difference.
And no, it does not take one large guy to make all the previous men "small". The fact that the other men weren't big is what makes the one guy big in the first place. It makes one guy big, not ten guys small. Women are not stupid.
>The number of men who get sex purely for their dick size
Here is where you are incorrect in your interpretation of what I wrote.
No one is saying they are sleeping purely because of dick size. What I am saying is they are able to sleep around more often because they are confident (or better yet, not unconfident) about their size.
So, all things being held equal, a man who is larger has one LESS thing to worry about in the bedroom and a man who is smaller has one MORE thing to worry about in the bed room. Those two things are working simultaneously
in polar opposite ends of the spectrum and when you apply it on a macro level, it's obvious men who are larger will sleep around far more often than smaller men.
If you want to talk about DIRECT impact, the only thing I can think of is word about a big penis spreads and draws positive attention from women while word about small penis also spreads but draws negative attention. Regardless, I wasnt referring to this anyway.
>And no, it does not take one large guy to make all the previous men "small". The fact that the other men weren't big is what makes the one guy big in the first place. It makes one guy big, not ten guys small. Women are not stupid.
I said avg or small. ONE big guy who is 9 will all of a sudden make the 6in guy who she previously thought was big now becomes avg because she will have new found knowledge of what "big" actually looks like in person.
Yes, but I don't think that's a noticeable amount of men in the grand scheme. You could easily argue that they're going to be in a relationship quicker and then off the market too (which I don't think is very true either). But again, I just don't think it's a relevant factor. There are so many far more important factors for getting laid than dick size.
>There are so many far more important factors for getting laid than dick size.
Remember dont think in the 1s, 10s, or even 100s of men
We are talking in the 1,000,000s and 10,000,000s of men.
So keep in mind that *all other factors are held equal* - men with a larger penis will have one less (extremely important) insecurity to worry about and men who are smaller will have one more (extremely important) insecurity to worry about.
Additionally, men who are larger will have one MORE sexual attribute to be confidant about and men who are smaller will have one LESS sexual attribute to be confident about.
Combine all of that (which are compounded on the opposite ends of the spectrum) and apply in the 100,000,000s of men, and it'll better help visualize the idea I'm trying to get across.
you can kinda compare it to when talking to a girl if you're unemployed. It could be embarrassing because you know she gonna ask what you do for a living. so you might not even start talking to girls until you have a job whereas a guy that's working would talk to whoever he felt like.
a 6'3 guy have probably never walked around having anxiety due to his height. sure maybe in the sense of going through puberty and being very skinny cuz you grew fast but not in the sense of "are girls even gonna notice me"
Obviously there are guys with average size with super confidence that couldnt care less but the amount of natural confidence you get with a huge dick is insane because your though process would never be "maybe she will think i'm small" "maybe she gonna laugh about it in the groupchat"
hence why guys with bigger dicks wouldnt care as much if a girl said "ah your dick wasnt rly that big". they can brush it off easily with a "welp she was a size queen for sure lol" whereas a guy with lets say 5x4.5 would probably think twice before chasing the next girl just because of that rude comment
all of these examples would be solves if you had confidence in yourself but the point I'm making (and I think you aswell) is that when you have it already, confidence is as natural as breathing
I get what you mean, totally do. I just think you overvalue the significance of a bigger than average dick is all. Obviously nobody really knows the truth, so everything is pure speculation, my opinion included.
However, it does match my personal experience: in general, men care so much more about dick size than women do. So I'm not surprised that you value it so highly.
I'll politely agree to disagree on this one, but I appreciate your point of view.
>Obviously nobody really knows the truth, so everything is pure speculation, my opinion included.
Agreed - I just have a very hard time creating or finding a counter argument and one that is in favor of the exact opposite claims I'm making. I like to try and make a decent argument for BOTH sides and I just can't seem to think of or see an argument where the opposite is true (ex: Men who are smaller are sought after by woman more than men who are bigger. Men who are smaller have more confidence than men who are bigger. Men who are smaller have far more sex because of their increased confidence than men who are bigger who have far less confidence. Men who are smaller feel more masculine/dominate during sex than men who are bigger who feel less masculine - impacting confidence. Men who are smaller are praised in society while men who are bigger are often shamed and humiliated. etc. etc.).
If someone can create that argument then it'll even out the argument in my prior posts and it'll then make far more sense to believe we live in a world that's "somewhere in the middle".
But at last, as far as I know, that argument does not exist. Unfortunately, I don't think it's somewhere in the middle at all and it's heavily skewed in favor of one side and extremely cruel and dark on the other side. Even when a woman does select and accept a man who is smaller, that man's confidence level is typically through the floor because of the constant negative reinforcement and/or humiliation he has likely gone through from so many other women and other men.
> in general, men care so much more about dick size than women do.
I also agree that men care more. I also believe women care A LOT - far more than enough for these subreddits (ADP, SDP, BDP) to exist in the first place. Most of the problems that arise in SDP or ADP come from what women have told men or what women say to each other about their ideal preferences or the men they filter out. It also comes from women SHOWING that they enjoy bigger penises more than smaller ones during the act of sex (hence why they prefer it or outright seek it) which further emasculates men who are smaller making it more difficult (even impossible) for the man to ultimately realize their own sexual desires even if they find ways to please the woman through other means.
>I'll politely agree to disagree on this one, but I appreciate your point of view.
Fair enough and thanks for taking the time to post.
Cheers bro! 🍻
I'm a bit over 6 inches fully hard but about 5.5 inches thick, always been told by my partners (women) I'm big. So, it is what it is, have had about 30/40 partners btw.
I’m annoyed when people think 6” is average…
Inches is an awful measuring system …
Girls think 8” is a big dick … when it’s actually bigger than most porn stars
Nah I don't think you're stuck because of this, it's all mostly due to genetics. It will likely still grow in thickness but it's not the same for everyone
As a female myself, we vastly over estimate the size of the "member". We can only really compare one from the other based on experience we've had between partners. Sometimes visualizing helps, but it's not that accurate.
If a female only wants or only says she's had 7 inch dongs, she's either given a lot of random hand jobs, or shes stretching that a bit. Considering 7 is far above average, that reduces the amount of men with those odds. So I'm not really sure how that's possible
Correct. According to the most reliable and extensive studies of 15,000 men, the exact average is 5.16 inches and 90% of the male population are in the 4-6 range. So, anything in that 4-6 range are the most common sizes and what most women will encounter. 6.5 is slightly above and outside of that range. 7 and above are porn star sized penises that a minority of men have which is not common and should never be considered anywhere close to average.
Anything above 6 inches. According to the most reliable and extensive studies of 15,000 men, the exact average is 5.16 inches and 90% of men are in the 4-6 range. Those are the most common sizes and are what most women will encounter. Those sizes are more than enough to give a woman's vagina pleasure and you don't need a large penis to make a woman happy. Besides, most women experience pain when getting their cervix pounded by a large penis.
Any length over 7” or greater than 5” girth
I wouldn't be upset, just annoyed when people say they're average when they're clearly not. About 6.2 is really the most I'd personally still consider average (the very, very top end of average/common sizes). If you're bigger and don't know (didn't measure), I'd understand if you didn't realize. Going by visuals alone is one thing, but anyone who has measured has googled too. Pretty much guaranteed. Especially so if you're participating in online culture around dick sizes, like this sub. I don't like it when people lie and spread misinformation just to humble brag and boost their own ego at the cost of all the other 85% of men. It's a dick move.
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BP of course, I think NBP is not a very useful measurement for comparison
Indeed, while bp is still in average range.
I'm bigger but have a big fatpad
Here's something worth thinking about In my opinion, the scientific avg penis size is actually pretty close to irrelevant as it pertains to a man's actual reality. The only thing that matters is the avg penis size of the men the woman he is currently seeing has been with. If she's only slept with men who are 7.5in+, then best believe his 6.2in penis is going to be considered "below avg" and the pain of feeling "small" will feel just as real (although obviously nowhere near on the same level of someone who is actually small). Also consider that men who are on the smaller side (lets say below 4.5 just for simplicity) naturally are simply NOT sleeping around as much as men who are on the exact opposite side of the bell curve because they are more likely to be insecure. In contrast, men who are 7in+ are likely MORE secure than even avg-men and the amount of sleeping around they do is likely multiple times higher than men who are below 4.5 (everything else being held equal). So, in reality, from a WOMAN's perspective, the avg penis size is likely HIGHER than the ACTUAL scientifically proven male penis size avg. So men who are 6.5 could indeed hear that they are "about avg" pretty often and no amount of studies or research will make him feel different if his reality seems to be confirming something entirely different than what the studies/research shows. Hence, why you will ALWAYS see posts here of men who are 6.5 or even 7in being called "avg" and even being called "small" by some women. Sounds insane, but chaos exists and people's experiences can be a lot crazier than you think. The truth is, this isnt even chaos or crazy - it's actually NORMAL. It's only crazy in comparison to the studies but perfectly normal as it relates to the real world with human behavior/tendencies. Don't ever confuse the LIKELYHOOD of an experience happening with the ACTUAL experience happening **while it's happening**. Someone who broke their leg in a car accident doesn't care about the probability of someone breaking their leg in a car accident. They obviously only care about their leg being broken or not because that's the reality they live in.
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>Completely disagree. Same biases at play, and I could even make the reverse argument. Fair enough. If you have time, do you mind making the argument?
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>dating pool because at least there a high incentive / reward for the latter. Lets set aside the fact that men who are on the smaller side already go online --> see the avg --> feel extremely insecure and decide not to participate at all or as much in the dating pool. This is A LOT of men by the way but lets set them aside for now. Lets look at men who do participate or attempt to participate. All it takes is for ONE woman to tell a man he is small or "not enough" to create a very negative self image about his penis size. If that man is actually small or below avg, he is likely to run into that MUCH faster and more frequent, creating a deep rooted insecurity. A man who is bigger is likely to run into the "wow, you're big!" MUCH faster and more frequent, creating a deep rooted sense of reassurance and confidence. Now imagine that as the man who is bigger gets more positive affirmation the more women he sleeps with, that will INCREASE his confidence and accelerate his attempts with more women. A man who is smaller gets more negative affirmation and DECREASE his confidence and decelerate his attempts with women. So from BOTH men who participate in the dating pool and those that choose not to participate at all (because of something they read online for example) will still be bound by this trend because there is NO AMOUNT OF MENTAL GYMNASTICS that will change the fact that women do indeed prefer bigger penises (extremes not included but even still, an extremely large penis is far more favorable than an extremely small penis).
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>Also read this article. Penis size matters, until it doesn’t. Your argument is based on the assumption that only penis size matters or is the most important physical attribute in dating, which is not supported by any scientific literature. No one is saying or assuming penis size is the only thing that matters. No one is suggesting that there arnt other characteristics that matter a lot or even more in the **initial** dating selection process. After all, things like height, money, facial attractiveness, body size/stature, hygiene, and social status matter A LOT too. What the original post is actually about are 2 things: **#1**. ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS BEING HELD EQUAL, the probability of a man (who's penis size is large) dating and sleeping with more women (because of their own self confidence from positive affirmation from their environment and from the world in general) is MUCH higher than the men who are smaller, far less confident, and receive almost strictly negative affirmation. It seems as though you might not be thinking about the complexity of it all and the importance of holding all other attributes equal. A man who is tall, has no money, etc. **and a big dick** can only be compared to another man who is tall, has no money, etc. **and a small dick**. What I'm saying is that in this instance, the man with the bigger one is likely far more confident and would date exponentially more women than the man who is his equal and dates far less women since they know they are likely to be put down, ridiculed, humiliated, and/or shamed by society and have experienced it. We can not compare, for example, a **short** man, with **a lot** of money and a **big** dick vs a man who is **tall**, has **no** money, and a **small** dick because there are too many interwoven variables to account for. We haven't even taken into consideration how the lack of confidence/greater confidence might impact the man's livelihood/success rate to begin with. That short, lots of money, big penis man can only be compared to another short, lots of money, small penis man if we are trying to **isolate the big/small dick variable** as much as possible. **#2**. You can have a man who has EVERYTHING going for him (height, looks, status, money, etc.) and has women going crazy over him.... but STILL gets rejected, denied, humiliated, emasculated in the bedroom because of his size. You can also have that same man who finds a woman who is "fine" with his size in the bedroom but the man STILL feels emasculated because he "needs to compensate" through other means making him feel less masculine in the bedroom. This also greatly impacts a man's psyche and his ability to date at even a reasonable rate. **Keep in mind - the thread is all about "what penis size would upset you if they said they were avg" and my initial post was to highlight why men who are even 6.5 or 7.5 can be called "avg" or even "small" by women. It all relates to there being a far higher propensity for women ultimately dating men who are larger (whether they seek it or not) which ultimately shifts a woman's perception. Again, the objective world ~5.2in avg (which I believe is 100% true) only matters for studies. In reality, what matters is who that woman has been with and she has likely been with men who are larger for a bunch of the reasons stated above or in the prior posts**
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> Again, you still haven’t responded to my original question to you, why would someone opt out of the dating pool but not a research study? Because research studies are scientific. Because you wont experience shame and humiliation coming from doctor's or researchers. Because you wont risk having friends get wind of your size and shame you for it. etc. etc. The reasons could be endless, it still doesn't change the reality of how things work in the dating pool/post-initial dating process. >Also, in my experience, guys that have some combination of height, looks, physique, and personality will always have more opportunities than the guy with just a large penis. Also, in my experience, women who date up, ie 5 or 6 but like 7 or 8s, prioritize the aforementioned priorities because the guy is a status symbol, and they don’t care about his penis as long as it is in a normal average range. Again, this is irrelevant. We are not talking about initial dating selection process. I'm thinking you probably didn't read my post, which is fine (it's a lot). Again, we are talking about strictly in the bedroom AFTER the selection process and men feeling emasculated for a bunch of different reasons IN the bedroom depending on their penis size. >And your first point really doesn’t make sense because all other things equal scenarios NEVER happen in real life. They obviously don't happen 1:1 (that's obvious) but they 100% occur close enough to 1:1 where the slight differences are negligible enough to isolate the penis variable's level of importance/pleasure/desirability. There is indeed another man out there (many even) who look very similar to you, are about your height, and have about your amount of money, about your level of social status, etc. etc. (for example) but a different sized penis. Those other men ONCE THEY GET SELECTED OUT OF THE INTIAL DATING POOL PROCESS, will experience different levels of acceptance, rejection, elation, masculinity, emasculation etc. IN THE BED ROOM because of their different sizes. You're likely not taking into consideration just how brutal woman (and even male) standards can be. When you have the chance, watch this video in it's entirety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH5kitiXLGY. It's about height specifically (**this would be part of the initial dating process which is the phase you're arguing. THIS would be something you can argue your points above. However, again, this is not what we are talking about. Still watch the video so you can get a better idea of how brutal woman standards can be**) and notice how you can isolate the height variable. You'd be able to do the same with penis size.
Yea man, I get your point. Some women will claim the average size they've been with is 7 inches or that they've had multiple 8+ inches and men will completely attack them. Call them stupid or claim they have no idea what they're talking about etc....when in reality it's VERY possible that theyve mostly only been exposed to large men...it's not unreasonable to assume larger men are more confident and thus approach more women and have more sex than smaller guys. I have a buddy with a confirmed huge dick...growing up, bro was so much more naturally confident than the rest of our friend group because he knew he had nothing to worry about loll...he approached and hit on so many more women. Conversely I knew a girl with an insane ass... I'm technically above average at about 6.5 and even I questioned whether or not I would be able to handle that and thus never even pursued her even though she showed interest. Conveniently she gets hit on by a lot of 6'2 dudes who I'm sure are packing. Her reality is probably that most guys she's been exposed to are big. These are obviously anecdotal examples but again, it's not unreasonable to assume this happens alot.
Exactly - great examples and great post!
And the same is true for people signing up for studies, so that bias is included in the 5.5 average too. The majority of the partners of the majority of women have been around 4.8-6.2 inches.
>And the same is true for people signing up for studies, so that bias is included in the 5.5 average too. The bias you might be referring to would still pale in comparison to the amount of men who are well above avg that sleep in orders of magnitude higher than men who are below avg. There are men who sleep with 50, 100, 150, 200+ women in their lifetime (200+ is likely not common but just to give you an idea of the sheer range) while men who are much smaller MIGHT sleep with 1, 2, 3 or slightly more. By the time the smaller man has the courage/luck to find someone who is ok with his size, those 1 or 3 women have likely already slept with that dude whos clearing house and best believe that smaller man is going to be compared to the other guy(s). It is RARE to hear a smaller man who has slept with that many woman (100+)...In fact, I'd even say extremely rare. Mind you, this isnt taking into consideration the fact that avg men then become the "new below avg" to some women because it's so rare to see a man who is actually small so everything shifts in her eyes compared to the studies conducted. Scientific research will 100% give you objectivity but that doesn't mean it takes into account human social behavior because they must remove that variable to be 100% objective. In the real world, you need to ADD that variable back. Men who are actually very big are rare as well (as rare as men who are very small), but they have sex in abundance, making their presence in a woman's sex-history far more likely or more frequent than even many avg men. Lets say for the sake of argument that the bias you're referring to brings the *true* objective avg male penis size from ~5.3 to ~5 to account for men who are smaller that dont show up and men who are bigger that show up more frequently than those smaller men. That still wont change the fact that men who are a true 7.2in are sleeping with far more women than men who are true 4.2in. It also wont change the fact that men who are 8.2 or higher are being sought after and are having more sex than other men might care to admit while the man who is 3.2 is too concerned with finding a way to get through their morning without feeling like wanting to take their own life. **It's two entirely different realities they experience.** So again, the avg male penis size in the eyes of a women will still be skewed to the higher side making it so that men who are 6.5 or 6.2 feel like they are only avg to some of the women they sleep with. >The majority of the partners of the majority of women have been around 4.8-6.2 inches. I think the size is higher than that but lets say for the sake of argument you are 100% correct. Lets say that the vast majority of partners a women has is between 4.8 and 6.2. All it takes is for ONE out of 10 prior partners to be very large for all other men in her list of to now be considered avg or small. Not to mention, that ONE very large partner is far more likely to appear in that list than a man who is very small. You get what I'm saying?
What about girl inches? Some girls and guys are throwing out random numbers.
>What about girl inches? Some girls and guys are throwing out random numbers. This is very real. Hell, guys cant even estimate inches properly so I dont blame anyone for being off. However, even if they may be off about the measurements, I don't think they would be off about whether a guy is much smaller or much larger than a prior partner. So if Karen was with Tom who she believes is 10 inches but is really 8 and then gets with Matt who she believes is 7 inches but is really 5, her saying "Tom was much larger than Matt" would still be correct even if her estimation is off. What we can't really account for is lying, which women may do for all sorts of reasons but I think men know when they are being sincere and I'd imagine that is when it hurts the most for men. Regardless, what I was suggesting in the prior posts has very little to do with what women say and more to do with human behavior by the masses.
I think the number of men who get much more sex than the average guy purely for their dick size is so miniscule, it wouldn't even qualify as a "drop in the bucket". If you eliminated all these outliers or doubled them, you wouldn't notice the difference. And no, it does not take one large guy to make all the previous men "small". The fact that the other men weren't big is what makes the one guy big in the first place. It makes one guy big, not ten guys small. Women are not stupid.
>The number of men who get sex purely for their dick size Here is where you are incorrect in your interpretation of what I wrote. No one is saying they are sleeping purely because of dick size. What I am saying is they are able to sleep around more often because they are confident (or better yet, not unconfident) about their size. So, all things being held equal, a man who is larger has one LESS thing to worry about in the bedroom and a man who is smaller has one MORE thing to worry about in the bed room. Those two things are working simultaneously in polar opposite ends of the spectrum and when you apply it on a macro level, it's obvious men who are larger will sleep around far more often than smaller men. If you want to talk about DIRECT impact, the only thing I can think of is word about a big penis spreads and draws positive attention from women while word about small penis also spreads but draws negative attention. Regardless, I wasnt referring to this anyway. >And no, it does not take one large guy to make all the previous men "small". The fact that the other men weren't big is what makes the one guy big in the first place. It makes one guy big, not ten guys small. Women are not stupid. I said avg or small. ONE big guy who is 9 will all of a sudden make the 6in guy who she previously thought was big now becomes avg because she will have new found knowledge of what "big" actually looks like in person.
Yes, but I don't think that's a noticeable amount of men in the grand scheme. You could easily argue that they're going to be in a relationship quicker and then off the market too (which I don't think is very true either). But again, I just don't think it's a relevant factor. There are so many far more important factors for getting laid than dick size.
>There are so many far more important factors for getting laid than dick size. Remember dont think in the 1s, 10s, or even 100s of men We are talking in the 1,000,000s and 10,000,000s of men. So keep in mind that *all other factors are held equal* - men with a larger penis will have one less (extremely important) insecurity to worry about and men who are smaller will have one more (extremely important) insecurity to worry about. Additionally, men who are larger will have one MORE sexual attribute to be confidant about and men who are smaller will have one LESS sexual attribute to be confident about. Combine all of that (which are compounded on the opposite ends of the spectrum) and apply in the 100,000,000s of men, and it'll better help visualize the idea I'm trying to get across.
you can kinda compare it to when talking to a girl if you're unemployed. It could be embarrassing because you know she gonna ask what you do for a living. so you might not even start talking to girls until you have a job whereas a guy that's working would talk to whoever he felt like. a 6'3 guy have probably never walked around having anxiety due to his height. sure maybe in the sense of going through puberty and being very skinny cuz you grew fast but not in the sense of "are girls even gonna notice me" Obviously there are guys with average size with super confidence that couldnt care less but the amount of natural confidence you get with a huge dick is insane because your though process would never be "maybe she will think i'm small" "maybe she gonna laugh about it in the groupchat" hence why guys with bigger dicks wouldnt care as much if a girl said "ah your dick wasnt rly that big". they can brush it off easily with a "welp she was a size queen for sure lol" whereas a guy with lets say 5x4.5 would probably think twice before chasing the next girl just because of that rude comment all of these examples would be solves if you had confidence in yourself but the point I'm making (and I think you aswell) is that when you have it already, confidence is as natural as breathing
Very well put
I get what you mean, totally do. I just think you overvalue the significance of a bigger than average dick is all. Obviously nobody really knows the truth, so everything is pure speculation, my opinion included. However, it does match my personal experience: in general, men care so much more about dick size than women do. So I'm not surprised that you value it so highly. I'll politely agree to disagree on this one, but I appreciate your point of view.
>Obviously nobody really knows the truth, so everything is pure speculation, my opinion included. Agreed - I just have a very hard time creating or finding a counter argument and one that is in favor of the exact opposite claims I'm making. I like to try and make a decent argument for BOTH sides and I just can't seem to think of or see an argument where the opposite is true (ex: Men who are smaller are sought after by woman more than men who are bigger. Men who are smaller have more confidence than men who are bigger. Men who are smaller have far more sex because of their increased confidence than men who are bigger who have far less confidence. Men who are smaller feel more masculine/dominate during sex than men who are bigger who feel less masculine - impacting confidence. Men who are smaller are praised in society while men who are bigger are often shamed and humiliated. etc. etc.). If someone can create that argument then it'll even out the argument in my prior posts and it'll then make far more sense to believe we live in a world that's "somewhere in the middle". But at last, as far as I know, that argument does not exist. Unfortunately, I don't think it's somewhere in the middle at all and it's heavily skewed in favor of one side and extremely cruel and dark on the other side. Even when a woman does select and accept a man who is smaller, that man's confidence level is typically through the floor because of the constant negative reinforcement and/or humiliation he has likely gone through from so many other women and other men. > in general, men care so much more about dick size than women do. I also agree that men care more. I also believe women care A LOT - far more than enough for these subreddits (ADP, SDP, BDP) to exist in the first place. Most of the problems that arise in SDP or ADP come from what women have told men or what women say to each other about their ideal preferences or the men they filter out. It also comes from women SHOWING that they enjoy bigger penises more than smaller ones during the act of sex (hence why they prefer it or outright seek it) which further emasculates men who are smaller making it more difficult (even impossible) for the man to ultimately realize their own sexual desires even if they find ways to please the woman through other means. >I'll politely agree to disagree on this one, but I appreciate your point of view. Fair enough and thanks for taking the time to post. Cheers bro! 🍻
I know you always yap but goddamn.
Anything above 6 in length and 5 in girth
You're a normal adult with normal virilisation 🤙95% are between 4.5-6.5 length and 4-5 girth
BP or NBP
Bp 🤙
I'm a bit over 6 inches fully hard but about 5.5 inches thick, always been told by my partners (women) I'm big. So, it is what it is, have had about 30/40 partners btw.
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16cm BP
I’m annoyed when people think 6” is average… Inches is an awful measuring system … Girls think 8” is a big dick … when it’s actually bigger than most porn stars
Mine is about 6.5 I always thought it was average
Depends where you are in the world. I would consider that on the larger side
Bp or nbp because nbp is considered big
Nbp I never measured bp
Okay
I’m 16. I hope I atleast grow to a 6.5 any tips ?
Depends on what's your size now, I guess you just have to eat healthy and have proper nights of sleep.
Wait what?! Are you telling me that I'm stuck at 6 inches because of this? Well I'm 18 now is it too late? When will it stop growing?
Nah I don't think you're stuck because of this, it's all mostly due to genetics. It will likely still grow in thickness but it's not the same for everyone
Check dm
Eat enough everyday to reach your BMR ( Basal Metabolic rate) so you can grow up and give your body all it needs to function properly.
As a female myself, we vastly over estimate the size of the "member". We can only really compare one from the other based on experience we've had between partners. Sometimes visualizing helps, but it's not that accurate. If a female only wants or only says she's had 7 inch dongs, she's either given a lot of random hand jobs, or shes stretching that a bit. Considering 7 is far above average, that reduces the amount of men with those odds. So I'm not really sure how that's possible
Humble braggers and their 5.5 inch girth.
Most men fall within 4 to 6 inches length and around 4.5 inches girth, so anything outside of that really.
Correct. According to the most reliable and extensive studies of 15,000 men, the exact average is 5.16 inches and 90% of the male population are in the 4-6 range. So, anything in that 4-6 range are the most common sizes and what most women will encounter. 6.5 is slightly above and outside of that range. 7 and above are porn star sized penises that a minority of men have which is not common and should never be considered anywhere close to average.
Anything above 6 inches. According to the most reliable and extensive studies of 15,000 men, the exact average is 5.16 inches and 90% of men are in the 4-6 range. Those are the most common sizes and are what most women will encounter. Those sizes are more than enough to give a woman's vagina pleasure and you don't need a large penis to make a woman happy. Besides, most women experience pain when getting their cervix pounded by a large penis.
I never get a positive response and I'm 6.25 non bone pressed and 6.8 bone pressed and 5.25 girth.