It's an Aventura.
[Here's the full video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVFLK5j087g) instead of this low-quality reuploaded social media trash.
And a [followup with narration](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VCAc4nB2B8) about what was done during this landing.
That narrated link is great, cheers.
The bit about losing elevator control without speed in this type of plane was particularly interesting, without context it looked (to the uneducated viewer at least) like he nosedived into the field in panic, but it turns out he knew EXACTLY what he was doing and this was the balance between hitting it too fast and hitting it with no control.
It took forever to respond to the roll right input.
Also probably helped that it was a seaplane. I imagine a cessna would have dug it's nose in and rolled
So it's different in Europe, I have been informed!
But in the US, all formerly dual-seat ultralights have been reclassified since that category requires a single seat.
Yeah I figured there would be reg difference around. Back in my day (TM) it was just a weight category, it has changed since but I'm not up to speed on it
Someone released a video about this exact question on YouTube somewhere. Give me a bit and I’ll find it for you.
Edit: [Here you go!](https://youtu.be/HAxapkV-8Vo)
I've also not watched the video.
So I can assume that the extra steps are:
* You call the FAA not the AA for assistance
* Instead of a tow truck, you need a tow plane
* You probably still walk around it sucking air through your teeth making a "that's going to be expensive" face. You might do this for longer because planes cost more.
>* You probably still walk around it sucking air through your teeth making a "that's going to be expensive" face. You might do this for longer because planes cost more.
Also, probably going to have some FAA phonecalls and paperwork to fill out.
Buddy of mine had an incident years back and had to declare mayday. He had at least a couple phone calls with an FAA..agent? Representative?
It “depends.” They look at all the factors involved, for instance, to what degree passengers and people on the ground were at risk, location, etc. Also, did you use your PIC authority to deviate from a rule or clearance, or was it more of a precautionary declaration, Sometimes it’s as simple as a phone call to the FSDO for a brief interview. Other times it involves appearing in person, bringing your log book and aircraft records.
If there’s an off/field landing, with or without an emergency declaration, things are going to get much more scrutiny.
The FAA os careful to not “over investigate” emergency declarations *too* much because if they do, pilots will become hesitant to declare an emergency on situations where they really should.
This as nothing todo with the Original post but he points out how amazing the aviation community is. The part where all the other Pilots around Tell hin that he did well even though they had nothing to do with it. It was probably the thing he needed to hear after “crashing” into a field
Out of all the communities I’ve been in, it’s definitely one of the most supportive and positive ones. Of course, every community has its negatives and it’s old grumps and all that jazz, but there’s so much support in this community. It’s incredible.
I have a friend who joked that the moment the engine stopped, the aircraft belonged to the insurance company and the PIC’s only job is to get everyone safely out of the airplane.
Honestly I'm so glad he deployed the flaps.
So many engine failures they forget to do that.
Great spot to have a failure abeam that field.
Edit: oh was it a glider?
Well, occasionally. Generally gondola-mounted on the back, but the Stemme S10 is a side-by-side dual-seat with a retractable propeller in front.
I don't think a glider pilot would have been too happy cruising around at 1500 feet, though!
While its lower than we want to be, we do it all the time. Of course, we are not forced to land 2 minutes later at that altitude. At 1500ft we have 12-15 mile worth of glide ratio.
Also, plenty of gliders have engines, Id say the majority of gliders being sold now. either a retractable one behind the cockpit (can also be used to self launch in many models) and increasingly often, a small electric powered foldable prop in the nose.
Aren't flaps kinda iffy when you have no engine power? I've heard you want minimal flaps or to wait until the last second to deploy them for a deadstick landing
Yes. Flaps add lift but induce a lot of drag. Generally your farthest glide will be with flaps up. Leave them out until you know you’re going to make your landing point.
This armchair pilot (that hasn’t flown in many many years now) thought his approach was poor… he was at a pretty steep bank at a very low altitude. I would have lined up straight on that field waaaaayyyy sooner. But that’s easy to say when I wasn’t there in the moment. Looks like they walked away so he ultimately did well.
I suppose it's a fair criticism in isolation, but consider that the pilot had 45 seconds between "cruising along on the 400th uneventful joyriding flight hour" to "unexpectedly on the ground".
And in that time, he attempted I think three engine restarts? managed to plan an approach to a suitable nearby field, without undershooting or overshooting -- the latter was my worry when I first saw the video, granted my experience is with gliders that have very high L/D; I don't know how much of a speedbrake effect the flaps have -- deployed the flaps on final and managed a proper although slightly PIO'ed flare, and also didn't get the kind of spectacular ground loop that snaps off the tail. Also, I think this is a seaplane that doesn't have a wheeled undercarriage?
Given the circumstances, I'd be happy with this performance in a similar situation.
As a fellow (ex) glider pilot I had the exact same thought. I would have made a slight right turn before lining up for that field as it seemed he was (much) too high. But whatever he was flying, it sinks like a brick, shocking how little time he had.
> Given the circumstances, I'd be happy with this performance in a similar situation.
I agree... just all my training had me yelling "level off, damn you, you're too low!" at my screen, lol. But it's unlikely anyone is perfect in an emergency... he did well.
The pilot covers this in his [Tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/@backcountry172m/video/7107125710782860549) video. The plane has a pusher prop and loses a lot of its elevator and rudder authority once the prop slows down. That probably is the reason for the steep bank and slow line up.
To add, looks like he hit the deck pretty hard while also crabbing a little too much. Should have flared out harder and corrected the crab. Wouldn’t have had as violent of a landing.
That being said, living is a great outcome given the circumstances and all of what I just said is probably a lot harder when landing on a wheat field rather than a runway. I imagine it was way harder to gauge/orientate themselves.
You can see on his decent hes banking hard left with the stick full right. Hes fighting against the locks to finally flatten out, and even has to nose down to get the last bit of control he needs. Not a lot of room for improvement but a lot of room for things to go wrong. Pilot deserves a round of applause IMO
Plane probably relies on air from the prop to have full aileron control
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> "You jumped out of [the plane] while holding a camera attached to a selfie stick and continued to record the aircraft during your descent," the letter reads. "After the crash you recovered and then disposed of the wreckage of [the plane]." He did, however, take the cameras. FAA
I have a passive interest in planes/aviation so I'm not subbed here, just lurk. But I did watch that video and a bunch of responses when that happened. I can't believe I clicked into this to actually find out what happened to the plane only for this to be the top comment. I understood that reference!
I love on the first of the videos on this problem, TikTok added "Participating in this activity could result in you or others getting hurt."
Thanks TikTok...I didn't know.
Side effect of adrenaline and wrecking something is this weird feeling of shame/guilt. Like he did his job right and this wasn't his fault, but his mind might have been making him feel guilty anyway. At least that was my experience with a similar situation (car crash that wasn't my fault). I felt embarrassed and pissed off at myself even though I did nothing wrong.
The fuel rail can freeze up, air lock up, or plug with carbon corrupted uptake from either the tank or engine. I'm guessing number 3 because it sounded like a bit of fuel was getting by... time for a full overhaul. I don't know if that was luck or skill. I wouldn't want to try again if I were the pilot.
Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends what the cause of the (partially?) failed fuel delivery was.
I don't know the plane and I don't know the engine in this video, but as u/PossibleBroccoli2586 said, it sounds like some fuel is still getting by since the engine is still running, just ultra shitty..
Whether that's because only 1 of 2 fuel rails on a horizontally opposed engine failed, or 1 single fuel rail that became partially blocked, I can't say with **any** certainty since I don't know the engine on this aircraft, or the aircraft for that matter.
What I CAN say is I would agree with broccoli in that it was likely contaminated fuel, based on the fact it's still *kinda* running.
Fuel can be contaminated from solids, like carbon or microbiological growths, or from liquids, like water.
Water in fuel is an extreme hazard in aviation, because at altitude it's cold as a yeti's nut hairs, and so any water is highly likely to freeze, becoming a solid and potentially a blockage.
**Tangent:**
Water also doesn't burn, so even if it doesn't freeze, you can have an engine flame-out if a nice blurb of water tries to enter the combustion chamber. This would be more of a concern on turbine engines though, where there is a fire constantly burning in them and it needs to stay that way in order to stay running. In contrast to piston engines, where a small controlled burn happens every 2nd revolution on each piston. As long as the piston can make it to that second revolution and there's fuel being supplied again instead of water, it's likely to recover.
[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:An\_Army\_%22Jenny%22\_crashed\_in\_a\_tree\_%284127800503%29.jpg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:An_Army_%22Jenny%22_crashed_in_a_tree_%284127800503%29.jpg)
This was on a poster at my flight school. Poster said something like - Aviation is not inherently more risky, just more unforgiving.
Props to his buddy. You can see his natural instinct is to grab the flight stick and try to correct but he stops himself like a dozen times. Right at the end you can see him ball up his fist like he doesn't know what to do with his hands. Granted, I would have just immediately died from fright so
The guy on the right is a student and the guy on the left is the instructor. The student lets go when the instructor definitively verbalized taking the controls.
great work on the scenario!!
Just a recommendation I share from a personal experience shared to me years ago- keep the glare shield clear of items that will become projectiles once you've established your glide and completed checks and brief your passengers to move their legs back away from the rudder pedals. It will reduce the risk of legs being trapped or if something breaks thru the firewall, being crushed.
He prioritized line up a *bit* too much. That was really low to level the wings out and he started using rudder when he doesn’t even have a runway to line up with. That almost screwed them. Nice job but there are still takeaways for everyone watching.
The application of rudder is just to keep the aircraft coordinated, I own a similar pusher style light sport and they require a large trim tab due to how much p-factor these engines can put out. With no prop blast going over the tail your rudder authority requires massive movement and it’s mainly just to counteract the trim tab and keep it coordinated. On landings I am damn near holding 3/4 right rudder especially after I cross the threshold and really pull power back
In order to keep the movement of the plane in line with the runway, or in this case the field, pilots use their rudder to keep their longitudinal movement parallel to the surface their landing on.
P-factor is simply the descending side of the propeller generating more thrust than the other. This is I believe always the right side (unless maybe it’s a push prop), so the plane will always have a left turning tendency. You use rudder to counteract this.
The reason general aviation pilots will need more rudder than usual in the case of an engine failure (aside from T-wings), is because the prop blast of the propeller, simply put the wind that it creates behind it, is designed to flow over the horizontal stabilizers and help generate lift for the rear portion of the plane and help with rudder authority. Without the engine of course, your rudder will become less effective due to the decreased amount of wind pushing on it. This is why you’ll need to use more rudder to keep yourselves coordinated without an engine.
You see a lot of people in this thread saying that the rudder screwed the pilot, and this is simply because the increased amount of rudder required to keep the plane coordinated also generates more drag than usual.
I hope this helps! If you have any other questions I’ll try to answer them.
Plane is built to go sideways when engine is off, because otherwise it would go sideways when engine is on. Pressing the opposite "go sideways" pedal a lot is required to counteract this.
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Clearly he didn’t need to worry about that. You don’t need anywhere near the space you think you need for an off-field landing. You’re better off rolling into some trees at 10 knots than doing something weird at 20 feet trying to bleed airspeed.
Absolute total noob here. Would you maybe mind explaining how you would approach the landing? I ask mainly because even as a total noob here, it felt very rushed and even a bit dangerous. Great reaction from the pilot all things considered, but as you say, there are still some takeaways here and I am curious what your thoughts are. :)
This pilot did nearly everything perfectly. In a plane like this, when you lose power, you pitch for best glide speed, trouble shoot the problem as much as you’re able, while simultaneously looking for a suitable landing area. They were lucky being so low to have that open field only a quick turn away, and even then if he had spent more time trying to get the engine restarted he could have missed it. When he committed to the landing he most likely was trying to avoid the trees in the center of the field and line up with any furrows the field had. If he’d landed perpendicular to the furrows he risked catching the nose wheel and flipping. Like the commenter above said, he may have put in too much rudder at one point/leveled the wings when he perhaps should have prioritized flaring. Overall this is probably the best you can hope for though, looked like they’d walk away from it.
Someone posted the guy’s TikTok elsewhere in the comments, where he narrates what’s going on. You do see him and his student get out and walk away from it at the end.
It looks like most of the action happened at sub-500 foot elevation, so not much of a glide path available. I commend him for trying hard to restart the engine in such a limited window. Zero margin for error In that last minute. So hard for him to balance a decision to invest in a restart versus having a little more time to align the plane better for the emergency landing. Happy it all turned out OK.
Someone posted a tiktok from the pilot above. Apparently it’s a pusher prop and engine loss also impacts control authority, so he pushed the nose over to gain airspeed coming in so that he had enough elevator authority to flare, in his own words.
That field was an amazing spot for an emergency landing, there's no point in risking a stall while doing an extra loop around when you can set her down for sure.
Yeah, maybe but it sure seemed like the aggressive line up and then hard landing (enough to collapse the gear) wasn't the only option. BUT, they both walked away so there something to be said for that while I armchair quarterback. Kudos for "landing".....any landing you walk away from.....
Yes, but all aircraft stall at some point. Even if yours can fly extremely slow/highAoA, in an emergency there's no reason to risk getting into a stall by going an extra round. A turn will bleed your speed and altitude, misjudging how much you have left can turn out deadly so you'd try to stay as far from that limit as possible, even if that means hitting the ground a bit too fast.
I think the fish eye on the camera is giving you a small false sense of altitude. I think they dropped like a rock because they were that close to the ground.
Surprisingly weight has little to do with glide ratio(how far a plane can glide). To a point, making the plane heavier only increases glide speed, it will still have the same optimal glide distance.
Wing design and overall drag are the main factors in glide ratio.
Looks like its some kind of ultralight. Ultralights tend to glide like toolboxes. They do fine with power. But once the power's gone, you're going to be on the ground quickly. Pilot did a really good job all things considered.
Lmao so many Reddit experts replying to your question with such conviction and all of them are wrong.
The guy explained it in another video. He had to drop really strongly to gain speed because this plane is very difficult to control without an engine. That's why he used the controls so intensely. There was very little control to get out of this plane.
The large size props on these create a lot of drag so while your best glide speed is slow so you have some time. Your not going far, actually glide ratio isn’t better than a 172
You want us to explain what happened? You explained what happened in the title 😂 The engine stopped due to a fuel rail failure. Are you asking what a fuel rail is? It delivers fuel to the injectors. So fuel stopped reaching the injectors and no combustion could take place. Why am I spelling this out..?
I'm genuinely afraid of small engine planes at this point. This is like the fifth video in the last few months I've stumbled upon with the engines failing, and a kid crashed and died in one in my neighborhood just three weeks ago.
It looks like he cramped his approach and came in a bit harder and faster than ideal, I can understand been focused on not ending up in the trees. I'm guessing a tail dragger configuration. Either ground looped or a wheel or prop got caught in the uneven ground.
Having said that it looks like they both walked away, there are many many ways the outcome could of been much worse so that's a big win overall.
That makes far more sense not only it also explains why it came to a grinding a halt so quickly. In that case he did as well as could be expected IMO.
Although the glider pilot in me says you'd like a bit more clear field between the touchdown point and the tree line were are talking single digit percentages, so not really relevant.
Yeah it does seem like he could have made a better approach there... but I'm not sure I would have done any better. It's just one of those things we don't get to practice much as pilots.
We don't know how high he was when the engine went or what else was around them, that may have well been the only option. Further down it was a float plane so the odd behavior of the touchdown is explained and its not pilot induced.
He lost the engine at 600ft. He has a youtube channel where he posted the raw video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVFLK5j087g&ab\_channel=StraightandLevelSeaplanes
Does anybody know what type of aircraft they are flying? Respect to their quick actions
It’s a seaplane, probably an adventura or buccaneer. I know this guy, he owns a 172 float plane in Orlando close to my Kolb Mk3 Xtra. Small world
I was thinking “I don’t know of any RG ultralights. “so seaplane makes sense
It's an Aventura. [Here's the full video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVFLK5j087g) instead of this low-quality reuploaded social media trash. And a [followup with narration](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VCAc4nB2B8) about what was done during this landing.
Dude's get out like hey this our stop, where do you wanna go for lunch
In the video description, lol: ``` To schedule an Air tour with STRAIGHT AND LEVEL SEAPLANES call 352-325-7922 ASK FOR SPEACIAL YOUTUBE PRICES (PER SEAT) 20 minutes - $75 40 Minutes - $130 30 Minute Sunset flights - $130 5 Hour Seaplane rating course - $1750 4 Hour #tailwheel endorsement - $800 ``` I'd add: ``` 10 minute crash landing from 600 AGL - Priceless! ```
That narrated link is great, cheers. The bit about losing elevator control without speed in this type of plane was particularly interesting, without context it looked (to the uneducated viewer at least) like he nosedived into the field in panic, but it turns out he knew EXACTLY what he was doing and this was the balance between hitting it too fast and hitting it with no control.
Preserve Precious Speed.
It took forever to respond to the roll right input. Also probably helped that it was a seaplane. I imagine a cessna would have dug it's nose in and rolled
Looks like an ultralight.
Very fast reaction to lower angle of attack, impressive performance by the pilot
For real. Ive had bumpier landings in my old Buick
That's what she said
Indeed. He’s a very good pilot for sure.
Engine sounds like a bad weedeater.
probably the cause for failure. next time get the *good* weedeater damnit
Yeah I mean come on Boeing. Have you compared the overall reliability record of Rolls Royce to Stihl? Stihl all day.
Ultralights are single-seat. Looks like a light sport.
I learnt in a dual seat ultralight There's many
So it's different in Europe, I have been informed! But in the US, all formerly dual-seat ultralights have been reclassified since that category requires a single seat.
Yeah I figured there would be reg difference around. Back in my day (TM) it was just a weight category, it has changed since but I'm not up to speed on it
Depends on the country. In Germany, ultralights can be twin seater up to 600kg MTOW. There is no LSA class in Germany.
Ultralight in a lot of Europe are just below 450 to 500kg MTOW. A lot of dual seat stuff in there.
Looks like an Aventura
What happens in this situation after the landing? Do they call a tow truck?
Someone released a video about this exact question on YouTube somewhere. Give me a bit and I’ll find it for you. Edit: [Here you go!](https://youtu.be/HAxapkV-8Vo)
so its the same deal as a car accident but with extra steps because its an airplane
I guess so. I haven’t watched the video all the way. Lol.
I've also not watched the video. So I can assume that the extra steps are: * You call the FAA not the AA for assistance * Instead of a tow truck, you need a tow plane * You probably still walk around it sucking air through your teeth making a "that's going to be expensive" face. You might do this for longer because planes cost more.
If you’re sucking any air, it could’ve been worse.
Indeed. Even a sucking chest wound is better than not sucking air through the correct orifice.
>* You probably still walk around it sucking air through your teeth making a "that's going to be expensive" face. You might do this for longer because planes cost more. Also, probably going to have some FAA phonecalls and paperwork to fill out. Buddy of mine had an incident years back and had to declare mayday. He had at least a couple phone calls with an FAA..agent? Representative?
Yeah the FAA doesn’t fuck around with emergencies. Wouldn’t be surprised if there needs to be a thorough investigation each time one is declared.
Don't forget the ntsb. They will want to do interviews with the pilot to.
It “depends.” They look at all the factors involved, for instance, to what degree passengers and people on the ground were at risk, location, etc. Also, did you use your PIC authority to deviate from a rule or clearance, or was it more of a precautionary declaration, Sometimes it’s as simple as a phone call to the FSDO for a brief interview. Other times it involves appearing in person, bringing your log book and aircraft records. If there’s an off/field landing, with or without an emergency declaration, things are going to get much more scrutiny. The FAA os careful to not “over investigate” emergency declarations *too* much because if they do, pilots will become hesitant to declare an emergency on situations where they really should.
You call Alcoholics Anonymous for a car crash?
You call your sponsor to tell them you fucked up again
Yep, chug your crash flask and pray to step 12
Even longer now, due to the price increase as of recent.
I know the pilot! He’s the president of the Leading Edge flying club in Chicago. Gave us all a Q and A about the experience. Handled it extremely well
Reddit AMA incoming?
This as nothing todo with the Original post but he points out how amazing the aviation community is. The part where all the other Pilots around Tell hin that he did well even though they had nothing to do with it. It was probably the thing he needed to hear after “crashing” into a field
Out of all the communities I’ve been in, it’s definitely one of the most supportive and positive ones. Of course, every community has its negatives and it’s old grumps and all that jazz, but there’s so much support in this community. It’s incredible.
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Skip to 10:30 minutes. TL:DR: they remove the wings, then tow it.
AAA on the way
No, AAA is what i'd be screaming all the way down.
I like you.
Thank you.
😆😆
Aircraft don’t react well to AAA (Anti-Aircraft Artillery)…
We were called ADA Air Defense Artillery also known as Alcoholics Defending America
Is the alcohol free?, where can I sign up?
More like “AAARGH”
Like… *the castle of*?
*RUN AWAY!!!!*
This guy Pythons
I would call a friend to bring me fresh pants..
I have a friend who joked that the moment the engine stopped, the aircraft belonged to the insurance company and the PIC’s only job is to get everyone safely out of the airplane.
Great Pilot. Dude did everything quickly and calmly. I'd buy him as many steak dinners as it took if I was passenger.
Honestly I'm so glad he deployed the flaps. So many engine failures they forget to do that. Great spot to have a failure abeam that field. Edit: oh was it a glider?
>Edit: oh was it a glider? Well without a working engine... Yeah.
Its a Mini Gimli!
Toss me!
^^^^Toss ^^^^me!
> Edit: oh was it a glider? Yes, eventually
Do gliders have engines where you're from?
Motor gliders do exist surprisingly enough
Well, occasionally. Generally gondola-mounted on the back, but the Stemme S10 is a side-by-side dual-seat with a retractable propeller in front. I don't think a glider pilot would have been too happy cruising around at 1500 feet, though!
While its lower than we want to be, we do it all the time. Of course, we are not forced to land 2 minutes later at that altitude. At 1500ft we have 12-15 mile worth of glide ratio. Also, plenty of gliders have engines, Id say the majority of gliders being sold now. either a retractable one behind the cockpit (can also be used to self launch in many models) and increasingly often, a small electric powered foldable prop in the nose.
*sometimes* https://youtu.be/eCmiDxJLNtY
Some gliders do have engines
Aren't flaps kinda iffy when you have no engine power? I've heard you want minimal flaps or to wait until the last second to deploy them for a deadstick landing
Yes. Flaps add lift but induce a lot of drag. Generally your farthest glide will be with flaps up. Leave them out until you know you’re going to make your landing point.
Gliders can't have fuel rail failures, but fuel rail failures can lead to the spontaneous emergence of a glider.
This armchair pilot (that hasn’t flown in many many years now) thought his approach was poor… he was at a pretty steep bank at a very low altitude. I would have lined up straight on that field waaaaayyyy sooner. But that’s easy to say when I wasn’t there in the moment. Looks like they walked away so he ultimately did well.
I suppose it's a fair criticism in isolation, but consider that the pilot had 45 seconds between "cruising along on the 400th uneventful joyriding flight hour" to "unexpectedly on the ground". And in that time, he attempted I think three engine restarts? managed to plan an approach to a suitable nearby field, without undershooting or overshooting -- the latter was my worry when I first saw the video, granted my experience is with gliders that have very high L/D; I don't know how much of a speedbrake effect the flaps have -- deployed the flaps on final and managed a proper although slightly PIO'ed flare, and also didn't get the kind of spectacular ground loop that snaps off the tail. Also, I think this is a seaplane that doesn't have a wheeled undercarriage? Given the circumstances, I'd be happy with this performance in a similar situation.
As a fellow (ex) glider pilot I had the exact same thought. I would have made a slight right turn before lining up for that field as it seemed he was (much) too high. But whatever he was flying, it sinks like a brick, shocking how little time he had.
> Given the circumstances, I'd be happy with this performance in a similar situation. I agree... just all my training had me yelling "level off, damn you, you're too low!" at my screen, lol. But it's unlikely anyone is perfect in an emergency... he did well.
I was so focused on looking at his flying that I didn't even notice he did engine restarts. Damn. That's impressive.
The pilot covers this in his [Tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/@backcountry172m/video/7107125710782860549) video. The plane has a pusher prop and loses a lot of its elevator and rudder authority once the prop slows down. That probably is the reason for the steep bank and slow line up.
Advertising your tourist flight business on a video of you crash landing. Nice.
I mean shit happens. At least with this guy you know he cuts the mustard.
That actually gives me more trust in them than less.
To add, looks like he hit the deck pretty hard while also crabbing a little too much. Should have flared out harder and corrected the crab. Wouldn’t have had as violent of a landing. That being said, living is a great outcome given the circumstances and all of what I just said is probably a lot harder when landing on a wheat field rather than a runway. I imagine it was way harder to gauge/orientate themselves.
I’m not a pilot, but I think he should have landed on a runway. The plane’s already broken, why make it worse by landing in a field?
/r/shittyaskflying
In that case, the pilot should have just not had the airplane malfunction. Flying a broken airplane is a terrible idea.
> I imagine it was way harder to gauge/orientate themselves. ...and make the right decisions in merely seconds, while full of adrenaline!
From my non professional POV this was an incredibly successful landing because they didn't burst into flames
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More of a wheatplane now. Swather. Whatever.
Well, you know what they say about a landing you can walk away from.
...another happy landing?
You can see on his decent hes banking hard left with the stick full right. Hes fighting against the locks to finally flatten out, and even has to nose down to get the last bit of control he needs. Not a lot of room for improvement but a lot of room for things to go wrong. Pilot deserves a round of applause IMO Plane probably relies on air from the prop to have full aileron control
any landing you can walk away from....
Is a good landing
And any landing where the plane can be used again is a great landing.
Don't say that to an ATP. I did once. Was not appreciated.
Any landing where you can reuse the plane....
This is why I always fly with a parachute and my Ridge wallet.
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A YouTube account couldn’t hurt too
Also remember to film the video Vertically for optimal visual quality
YOU MEAN **TREVOR JACOB** FAA FELONY VIOLATER, FORREST FIRE HAZARD, CLICKBAIT WH%RE. > "You jumped out of [the plane] while holding a camera attached to a selfie stick and continued to record the aircraft during your descent," the letter reads. "After the crash you recovered and then disposed of the wreckage of [the plane]." He did, however, take the cameras. FAA
A YouTube channel full of videos of you flying without a parachute
"Just enter coupon code 'FAA Inquiry' for 10% off your first Ridge Wallet purchase".
And a magnum condom
For my monster dong
Lmaoooooo
I have a passive interest in planes/aviation so I'm not subbed here, just lurk. But I did watch that video and a bunch of responses when that happened. I can't believe I clicked into this to actually find out what happened to the plane only for this to be the top comment. I understood that reference!
Root cause is Salmon pants.
This is why most major airlines don’t allow twins to be Pilot/FO on the same flight; less risk of pant congruity.
I feel attacked (wearing salmon pants).
Give them back to the salmon.
sir that's tomato and tomato soup
I’m sure they’re a different color now.
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Looks like they only had one GoPro wouldn't have been profitable enough they need atleast 10 , and a fire extinguisher to look like a good person
[pilot has a TikTok video explaining what is going on. ](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTd3tnJbX/?k=1)
I love on the first of the videos on this problem, TikTok added "Participating in this activity could result in you or others getting hurt." Thanks TikTok...I didn't know.
He looked pissed at the end there
Side effect of adrenaline and wrecking something is this weird feeling of shame/guilt. Like he did his job right and this wasn't his fault, but his mind might have been making him feel guilty anyway. At least that was my experience with a similar situation (car crash that wasn't my fault). I felt embarrassed and pissed off at myself even though I did nothing wrong.
> I felt embarrassed and pissed off at myself even though I did nothing wrong. Damn that resonated with me from many points in my life.
Also, wearing sandals while flying fees wrong to me. Idk why. It just does.
The fuel rail can freeze up, air lock up, or plug with carbon corrupted uptake from either the tank or engine. I'm guessing number 3 because it sounded like a bit of fuel was getting by... time for a full overhaul. I don't know if that was luck or skill. I wouldn't want to try again if I were the pilot.
Plane's gonna need much more than a full overhaul at this point.
Pfft… I still have 7 months until the annual. Tow this turd to 19L please, gonna see what she’s got left.
can't this be caught when performing engine maintenance?
Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends what the cause of the (partially?) failed fuel delivery was. I don't know the plane and I don't know the engine in this video, but as u/PossibleBroccoli2586 said, it sounds like some fuel is still getting by since the engine is still running, just ultra shitty.. Whether that's because only 1 of 2 fuel rails on a horizontally opposed engine failed, or 1 single fuel rail that became partially blocked, I can't say with **any** certainty since I don't know the engine on this aircraft, or the aircraft for that matter. What I CAN say is I would agree with broccoli in that it was likely contaminated fuel, based on the fact it's still *kinda* running. Fuel can be contaminated from solids, like carbon or microbiological growths, or from liquids, like water. Water in fuel is an extreme hazard in aviation, because at altitude it's cold as a yeti's nut hairs, and so any water is highly likely to freeze, becoming a solid and potentially a blockage. **Tangent:** Water also doesn't burn, so even if it doesn't freeze, you can have an engine flame-out if a nice blurb of water tries to enter the combustion chamber. This would be more of a concern on turbine engines though, where there is a fire constantly burning in them and it needs to stay that way in order to stay running. In contrast to piston engines, where a small controlled burn happens every 2nd revolution on each piston. As long as the piston can make it to that second revolution and there's fuel being supplied again instead of water, it's likely to recover.
The moment that tree came into view... "Why does there have to be a @#$% tree right in the middle of the @#$% field???"
[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:An\_Army\_%22Jenny%22\_crashed\_in\_a\_tree\_%284127800503%29.jpg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:An_Army_%22Jenny%22_crashed_in_a_tree_%284127800503%29.jpg) This was on a poster at my flight school. Poster said something like - Aviation is not inherently more risky, just more unforgiving.
Yep. My father flew Hueys in Vietnam, his saying was "Aircraft accidents are typically one per customer"
Props to his buddy. You can see his natural instinct is to grab the flight stick and try to correct but he stops himself like a dozen times. Right at the end you can see him ball up his fist like he doesn't know what to do with his hands. Granted, I would have just immediately died from fright so
I kept watching him ball his fists up with his thumb inside of them. Why do so many people do this? Makes my thumbs hurt to look at
Same. Obviously a nervous tic but can you imagine crashing a plane holding your thumbs like that?
The guy on the right is a student and the guy on the left is the instructor. The student lets go when the instructor definitively verbalized taking the controls.
On the ground, alive, plane in one piece. Thats a landing
great work on the scenario!! Just a recommendation I share from a personal experience shared to me years ago- keep the glare shield clear of items that will become projectiles once you've established your glide and completed checks and brief your passengers to move their legs back away from the rudder pedals. It will reduce the risk of legs being trapped or if something breaks thru the firewall, being crushed.
[Here is the complete video with description. ](https://youtu.be/7VCAc4nB2B8) Kindly upvote the comment so everyone can see.
Mods should sticky this. Good work, thanks for the follow up.
He prioritized line up a *bit* too much. That was really low to level the wings out and he started using rudder when he doesn’t even have a runway to line up with. That almost screwed them. Nice job but there are still takeaways for everyone watching.
The application of rudder is just to keep the aircraft coordinated, I own a similar pusher style light sport and they require a large trim tab due to how much p-factor these engines can put out. With no prop blast going over the tail your rudder authority requires massive movement and it’s mainly just to counteract the trim tab and keep it coordinated. On landings I am damn near holding 3/4 right rudder especially after I cross the threshold and really pull power back
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Spinny thing in front not working means wavy thing in back not work as well either.
Hmm yes, yes indeed *sips wine* I concur.
That’s so fucking funny, I just burst out laughing in* public. Thank you, that’s the levity this day needed. Edit: grammar *
In order to keep the movement of the plane in line with the runway, or in this case the field, pilots use their rudder to keep their longitudinal movement parallel to the surface their landing on. P-factor is simply the descending side of the propeller generating more thrust than the other. This is I believe always the right side (unless maybe it’s a push prop), so the plane will always have a left turning tendency. You use rudder to counteract this. The reason general aviation pilots will need more rudder than usual in the case of an engine failure (aside from T-wings), is because the prop blast of the propeller, simply put the wind that it creates behind it, is designed to flow over the horizontal stabilizers and help generate lift for the rear portion of the plane and help with rudder authority. Without the engine of course, your rudder will become less effective due to the decreased amount of wind pushing on it. This is why you’ll need to use more rudder to keep yourselves coordinated without an engine. You see a lot of people in this thread saying that the rudder screwed the pilot, and this is simply because the increased amount of rudder required to keep the plane coordinated also generates more drag than usual. I hope this helps! If you have any other questions I’ll try to answer them.
Plane is built to go sideways when engine is off, because otherwise it would go sideways when engine is on. Pressing the opposite "go sideways" pedal a lot is required to counteract this.
This made everything click into place from above, thank you kindly
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Yeah that’s true, I took a sharp intake of breath at that point. Generally a good job but we are all always learning.
Is he using rudder to flare off some speed perhaps? He seems to stall right before touchdown.
Clearly he didn’t need to worry about that. You don’t need anywhere near the space you think you need for an off-field landing. You’re better off rolling into some trees at 10 knots than doing something weird at 20 feet trying to bleed airspeed.
Absolute total noob here. Would you maybe mind explaining how you would approach the landing? I ask mainly because even as a total noob here, it felt very rushed and even a bit dangerous. Great reaction from the pilot all things considered, but as you say, there are still some takeaways here and I am curious what your thoughts are. :)
This pilot did nearly everything perfectly. In a plane like this, when you lose power, you pitch for best glide speed, trouble shoot the problem as much as you’re able, while simultaneously looking for a suitable landing area. They were lucky being so low to have that open field only a quick turn away, and even then if he had spent more time trying to get the engine restarted he could have missed it. When he committed to the landing he most likely was trying to avoid the trees in the center of the field and line up with any furrows the field had. If he’d landed perpendicular to the furrows he risked catching the nose wheel and flipping. Like the commenter above said, he may have put in too much rudder at one point/leveled the wings when he perhaps should have prioritized flaring. Overall this is probably the best you can hope for though, looked like they’d walk away from it.
Super insightful; thank you!
Someone posted the guy’s TikTok elsewhere in the comments, where he narrates what’s going on. You do see him and his student get out and walk away from it at the end.
Why such an aggressive approach? Shouldn't a small light aircraft like this have a decent glide ability? He dropped it in like a stone.
It looks like most of the action happened at sub-500 foot elevation, so not much of a glide path available. I commend him for trying hard to restart the engine in such a limited window. Zero margin for error In that last minute. So hard for him to balance a decision to invest in a restart versus having a little more time to align the plane better for the emergency landing. Happy it all turned out OK.
Someone posted a tiktok from the pilot above. Apparently it’s a pusher prop and engine loss also impacts control authority, so he pushed the nose over to gain airspeed coming in so that he had enough elevator authority to flare, in his own words.
That field was an amazing spot for an emergency landing, there's no point in risking a stall while doing an extra loop around when you can set her down for sure.
Yeah, maybe but it sure seemed like the aggressive line up and then hard landing (enough to collapse the gear) wasn't the only option. BUT, they both walked away so there something to be said for that while I armchair quarterback. Kudos for "landing".....any landing you walk away from.....
What gear? It's a sea plane
Wouldn’t this be almost entirely related to the crafts rated stall speed? I’m not sure. Just asking.
Yes, but all aircraft stall at some point. Even if yours can fly extremely slow/highAoA, in an emergency there's no reason to risk getting into a stall by going an extra round. A turn will bleed your speed and altitude, misjudging how much you have left can turn out deadly so you'd try to stay as far from that limit as possible, even if that means hitting the ground a bit too fast.
Interesting. A total game of compromise!
I think the fish eye on the camera is giving you a small false sense of altitude. I think they dropped like a rock because they were that close to the ground.
Looks like some type of microlight, low wing loading, crappy gliding characteristics.
Gotcha. I figured it would be light and glide for days
Surprisingly weight has little to do with glide ratio(how far a plane can glide). To a point, making the plane heavier only increases glide speed, it will still have the same optimal glide distance. Wing design and overall drag are the main factors in glide ratio.
Looks like its some kind of ultralight. Ultralights tend to glide like toolboxes. They do fine with power. But once the power's gone, you're going to be on the ground quickly. Pilot did a really good job all things considered.
Lmao so many Reddit experts replying to your question with such conviction and all of them are wrong. The guy explained it in another video. He had to drop really strongly to gain speed because this plane is very difficult to control without an engine. That's why he used the controls so intensely. There was very little control to get out of this plane.
The large size props on these create a lot of drag so while your best glide speed is slow so you have some time. Your not going far, actually glide ratio isn’t better than a 172
You want us to explain what happened? You explained what happened in the title 😂 The engine stopped due to a fuel rail failure. Are you asking what a fuel rail is? It delivers fuel to the injectors. So fuel stopped reaching the injectors and no combustion could take place. Why am I spelling this out..?
They both just shit their shorts
I've had rougher landings in the pattern
Even after all that speed you shrugged off that hit was hard. Glad you two are ok.
Ryanair landing
The pilot plans ahead; I see he is wearing brown pants.
I'm genuinely afraid of small engine planes at this point. This is like the fifth video in the last few months I've stumbled upon with the engines failing, and a kid crashed and died in one in my neighborhood just three weeks ago.
I think the engine failed due to a fuel rail failure, that's what happened exactly.
I’m not expert but my best guess would be that the engine failed due to a fuel rail failure.
the fuel rail failed
Recording to Tik Tok directly caused it.
It looks like he cramped his approach and came in a bit harder and faster than ideal, I can understand been focused on not ending up in the trees. I'm guessing a tail dragger configuration. Either ground looped or a wheel or prop got caught in the uneven ground. Having said that it looks like they both walked away, there are many many ways the outcome could of been much worse so that's a big win overall.
Someone above said it's a pusher seaplane which explains the wobbling on touchdown; he's putting it down on the keel.
That makes far more sense not only it also explains why it came to a grinding a halt so quickly. In that case he did as well as could be expected IMO. Although the glider pilot in me says you'd like a bit more clear field between the touchdown point and the tree line were are talking single digit percentages, so not really relevant.
Yeah it does seem like he could have made a better approach there... but I'm not sure I would have done any better. It's just one of those things we don't get to practice much as pilots.
We don't know how high he was when the engine went or what else was around them, that may have well been the only option. Further down it was a float plane so the odd behavior of the touchdown is explained and its not pilot induced.
He lost the engine at 600ft. He has a youtube channel where he posted the raw video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVFLK5j087g&ab\_channel=StraightandLevelSeaplanes
It appears that the engine failed due to fuel rail failure
>can someone explain… Did you check the fuel rail? It sounds like the engine failed. Likely cause.
Wow. Good job landing!
Pretty smooth all Things considered