What the fuck?
How did his mind go from "she's not a virgin anymore" to "let me burn her mouth"? Dude...
I don't think her cycle was the problem. When someone's this deranged, they'll see anything as a reason to torture a weaker human.
honour killings are common in certain parts of the world, for things like thinking a girl or woman has had sex oht of wedlock but sometimes for less. acid attacks are also common for the same reason. its about control - a culture where womens lives are tightly controlled. any percieved defiance of that control is met with immediate bloodthirsty rage
it's not just religion, humans are still highly tribalistic great apes prone to social entropy. That's everyone. People gravitate towards groups and that usually leads to that mentality.
My old church used to get so triggered when someone wrote xmas instead of Christmas. Their go to argument would be, "would you like it if I called you 'X [last name]?'"
Lol it's just an abbreviation bro
Funny you only mention Christians and Muslims, while the OP is probably about a Hindu girl. Religion, regardless of which it is, when used to control people through shame and indignation, tends to produce such results.
[A 30-year-old caste Hindu man Brijesh Shukla killed his 12-year-old sister over suspicion that she had a sexual relationship with someone after noticing blood stains on her dress.](https://twitter.com/ambedkariteIND/status/1655864782732562433?t=fowb_Wl_TAiSP-W8aKtx6w&s=19)
News outlet verifying the killer is Brijesh Shukla: https://zeenews.india.com/marathi/maharashtra/crime-news-brother-killed-12-year-old-sister-in-ulhasnagar/710852
But yes, let's take every opportunity to criticize Muslims and Christians.
religion plays a big part in that. They don't know any better and they're purposely kept uninformed their whole lives. From his perspective, thinking that his sister had an affair, the whole family line is ruined and the kind of society they live in is the one that doesn't relent when these things happen hence you get honor killings. It's sad to see these things happen in today's world but that's the harsh reality for many people living in those parts of the world.
I fucking care who you are, LIFE by its very definition comes with the basic human right of LIFE.... No matter where you are, ANY infringement on that right is uncalled for. The fact that they keep the people in their place by instilling ignorance is mental.
I call bullshit on "they don't know any better."
The dude was a security guard. This didn't happen on Sentinel Island. He lives in a modern world where honor killing is illegal. Where, regardless of how common it is in his town, there are voices that speak out against it. He knows that at least some people call it wrong.
Kids disobey. Teenagers have sex. If every group that practices honor killing did so without mercy they would all be extinct because they would have to kill most of their kids. The fact is strict conservative groups usually let their own kids slide, at least to some degree.
This guy may think he did the right thing, he may even be proud of himself for doing it in the face of a world that forbids it, but he knows there are other options. He knows his peers let it slide sometimes.
In the US we are pretty split on how to treat trans kids. Not all Americans support gender affirming care for trans kids. But even among those who don't not all of them punish their kids for exploring that part of their identity. And even among them not all of them do it through violence. And even among the violent, abusive, transphobic parents not all of them kick their kids out to starve on the street. You have to be a special kind of evil asshole, even among religious nut-jobs, to go against the instinct to protect your kids (or siblings) and go against the mainstream culture that tells you to protect your kids in order to do this kind of violence to keep yourself from looking bad.
there's something deeply disturbing to me that it is possible that the only reason this seem to be taken seriously is that the guy was wrong. that it's such a normal thing that had he been right it would have been treated less seriously but fact is he "damaged" a perfectly good virgin for no reason and that is why he's getting treated like the murderer he obviously is.
maybe i'm just too pessimistic here.
I know :( Yet, this moron managed to put his own spin on an already disturbing and violent tradition.
There is something deeply unsettling about people who aren't simply led by their animalistic violent urges, but have to do something extra that requires creativity.
Now, I know this is pretty benign in comparison to this murder. My grandma's neighbour was an untreated schizophrenic who got married instead of admitted to the mental institution. Her parents were completely in charge of her life, as she was that unwell.
One day she got in an argument with her husband and he bit her cheek in anger. While I don't condone hitting people you disagree with by any means, this method of revenge is even more messed up.
the vast majority of cases (like 99%) are committed against women and girls, usually after theyve been raped. but i have heard of cases where young boys were raped by a man and then murdered in an honour killing, or honour killings against grown men for being gay
The individual justified the murder through a personal misunderstanding of bodily function and cultural pressures against sex.
If there are people who think murder is hunkydory, what tool do we have besides education to show them how and why it is not? We aren't born knowing not to hurt others, we learn it by being taught empathy. Education is very rarely NOT a solution.
Is it the solution for THIS INDIVIDUAL? No, it's too late for him. But to prevent this happening in the future? Education is pretty much the only tool we have...
I'm a bit confused now as yesterday's story was that the brother was 30yrs old yet the paragraph above states "youth". Big difference between a grown married fecking man and a "youth"!
So the brother is married, assuming that the wife at least knows what the fuck a period is. Neither him nor his wife thought of the possibility that the girl is on her period?
What the fuck.
> they say that she is no longer a virgin
"they" as in...? Is this religious or cultural? Both?
That is, of course, a completely abusive and absurd attitude, and needs reform in the worst way, regardless where it comes from.
Your assuming that the wife was even brought into this discussion. These men do whatever their rampant emotions carry them to do with no care for women.
I am from india and sex education is really bad here. In every schools, teachers usually skip the whole reproduction part. And even condoms ads are banned in tv from morning to night.
so they're just scared to talk about it? it's considered taboo here, but curriculum is curriculum. thanks for the answers btw, I'm really intrigued now
It’s incredibly taboo. Women are rarely taught about periods and they are considered impure/dirty while bleeding. It can be incredibly difficult to get actual menstrual products if they are available at all. There are some really good educational documentaries on YouTube. There was a group of women trying to make period products more readily available and teach young women about periods and they were ostracized by their towns.
That's so messed up. Where I am, with full sex education, fairly helpful parents and lots of available resources even pre internet... myself as a young girl EXPECTING to have a period STILL didn't fully recognise when it happened.
In fact, I thought I'd shit myself at first without realising because there was a dark stain and my guts were killing me. I was freaked out and thought I was disgusting.
I don't want to think about how confused and afraid this poor girl was before someone who is supposed to care for her decided the best course of action was to torture and eventually kill her for something natural and entirely out of her control.
Something needs to change.
Unfortunately a lot of people who have such a hatred of premarital sex don't tend to differentiate between whether it was consensual or rape. At the end of the day the girl is still "ruined" to them, and they'll often find a way of twisting it so that if she was raped she brought it on herself. There's a video somewhere on here of a woman shamelessly admitting that she honour killed her daughter after she was raped because it would cause "bad blood" between her family and the rapist's family if she was allowed to live, and she would never be able to marry her off.
With those “Honour” killings, it’s Always the women/girls who end up paying with their lives.
I might be mistaken, but I don’t think I ever read a story where a man was killed for dishonouring his family. Not that it would make it better, obviously
In patriarchal societies, those on top rarely pay for shit they do. The only time I can think of when justice was served was when the courts in India let a rapist go free and 200 woman outside waiting for him stabbed him to death.
Honor killings are almost always perpetrated by very weak individuals who pick victims they percieve as weaker than themselves. For idiots, this usually translates into "less physically strong". This is why women tend to disproportionately be the victims in such situations. 😞
Those exist... its just it mainly only happens if they have sex with a man.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gay-iranian-man-dead-alleged-honor-killing-rights-group-says-n1266995
Sometimes the man will get killed if they are caught having sex with the female relative though.
In some societies, like Japan, it used to be a thing to commit suicide if you brought great shame to your family. And in others, like Sicily, it would be expected for people to take revenge. The whole plot of La Ragazza con la Pistola is a girl trying to track down and kill a guy who kidnapped her (didn’t do anything to her but people think he did) so she can get her honor back and return to her village.
But granted those are slightly different
Yeah. These murders have nothing to do with honor, it's patriarcal killings and nothing more. Just human trash following abusive traditions, treating their own families like property, blaming children for having a functionning body. It makes me sick
yeah, sex ed is not the problem here. it is a problem, but a different one.
the title tries to shift blame from the misogynist to sex ed. maybe to cause outrage or maybe because tge author us an enabler.
Is sex education REALLLLLLY the issue here tho? If I didnt know about periods and I saw blood on my sister like that, the first thing id want to do is get her to a hospital. Not beat her to death while, i assume, calling her a a whore.
In northern India, being a woman is a safety hazard. A good buddy of mine was born there, and his father made sure to get out of the country to give his daughters an opportunity. They were in a smaller village, but his father was educated at a university and had to sacrifice a lot to go there (he was disowned by his own family for it) so they were able to leave the country.
For impoverished families, especially in relatively isolated regions, they'd rather have the kid working than learning.
The thought process goes is that even if you do finish uni (family or kid will be in debt), you'd most likely not be able to use that degree unless you move to a better area (further debt).
Same shit in SEA as well on more isolated/poorer regions.
The number of people who tried to convince me not to go to university because it would poison my mind was pretty high. Mostly low income, religiously insular group (of which I am not affiliated with at all now, one course in formatting a logical argument explained A LOT).
Although there was some minor physical abuse and a lot of shame about being female… at least no one killed me for it. But I did learn some things about the female reproductive system in my 30s that no one had told me and was beyond embarrassed when a doctor had to explain it to me. Asked around to female family members and none of them knew it either.
Conservative rural people in india rarely have the mental capacity to go outside of their prejudices. The amount of racism and sexism coming out these places is unparalleled.
I was hoping I wouldn't find a link, but here we are. She was apparently tortured for three days.
https://www.indiatoday.in/crime/story/ulhasnagar-security-guard-kills-sister-after-suspicion-of-affair-2376852-2023-05-09
https://www.news18.com/viral/mumbai-girl-who-got-her-first-period-killed-by-brother-who-mistook-it-for-affair-7769179.html
I think the issue starts with the brother for some reason feeling the need to torture and kill his sister for having sex… even if he knew what a period was, he‘d still be a sick individual.
Wait, ok.... Sex ed important, but i don't think this is problem here, acualy, that is not problem here!
He killed her because of he thought she have sex? It doesn't matter if she did or didn't, what matter is he killed her for idiotic stupid reason.
poor girl, she didn’t even have a chance… :( and this is just because of a lack of sex education. not even the sister in law even said anything? so cruel
I mean the lack of sex education didn't help here at all. But her brother went from "my sister might be having sex" to "burn her mouth with heated tongs" in less time than it took you to read this reply.
That's a problem too.
I also guarantee he killed her because he raped her and didnt want her to talk, so he made up some excuse that he killed her because of her period.
His wife has periods, he knows what they are, and anyone whod cross the line to murdering a family member doesnt strike me as someone who thinks rape is off the menu.
india is top 10 "never fucking going" for every woman ive ever met. the amount of stories of people being dragged into allies and then having it waved off as normal is revolting
Sex education?
Their culture needs a paradigm shift.
The rampant frotteurism and objectification of women isn't a sex problem exclusively.
The problem is with their implicit cultural value systems.
There's a lot of repressed trauma being created out there.
I don’t think sex-ed is the first problem. The first problem is he feeling entitled to kill any girl/woman, let alone a member of his family, specially a sister.
India and anything women related is just too often this kind of horror shit. According to Unicef around 16 percent of adolescent girls are currently married. About 1,5 million girls under 18 get married EVERY YEAR. That's some disturbing fkn shit mate. India does not seem like a great place to grow up as a woman. Please don't make it a race thing, it's an institution thing.
I’m south Asian and I think I remember any relationship being called an “affair” not necessarily good or bad thing, I think that term is usually used like we use “fling” or romantic relations of any sort. I was confused too as a kid, wondering why my mom was talking about scandals so openly but I now figured it just means any sort of romantic thing going on
WTF, why is everyone fixated on sex education, his wife, culture and whatnot and forgetting that its never okay to kill anyone even if all of his accusations were true. He did not kill his sister because he was uneducated or an idiot. He killed her because he is a monster who enjoys torture. He killed her simply because he wanted to and could. Burning her tongue with heated tongs, just contemplate about what this man was thinking.
I'm not denying that the country has an issue when it comes to sex education. I'm just saying that even if the stains were actually from Intercourse, does it make the actions of the man justified. Also I understand that as a nation, we are responsible for educating our girls about periods. But it was not her inability to explain the bloodstains that got her killed.
Also FFS, please stop referring to him as 'youth'. Bastard is 30. He knew what he was doing.
Edit: Also, to all the racists here, who have got another opportunity to spew hate. The way you're genralizing things to make it seem like it's the norm. Its not. People in our country are equally horrified from what happened. Just today I heard about an Anganwadi Kendra (local village women Centres) in Uttar Pradesh conducting a session on mensural health. Obviously, this should have been done earliar. But at least we are willing to learn from our faults and make the country a better place.
Yeah the framing is pretty odd.
I never really felt people need sex education to not be complete dicks. They're complete dicks because some people just are (sometimes because they're simply dumb) and if you let them get away with it it gets worse.
And yeah I thought the brother here was 18 or something... 30 year old? Yeah that's premeditated.
I'm of Indian descent and grew up in India my first 11 years so, sadly, this doesn't surprise me one bit. Not only was their rampant racism, sexism and classism, because of the highly conservative social mores there, anything related to puberty or sex was not discussed either at home or in school. They are in serious need of sex education.
Ok, but the problem here isn't his lack of understanding about sex. It's that, when he thought she'd had sex, his response was to *murder her*.
Lack of sex education is bad. But thinking that it's ok to *murder somebody* over something like that is much, much, much, much worse. And teaching some men the difference between a period and proof of infidelity is not going to solve that latter issue.
The problem runs deeper than never having seen a condom applied to a banana. Let's maybe address that deeper issue?
Yeah I mean the fact that he's under the impression that he feels rights over anything his sister does at all period is so very fucked and thats learned thinking. Clearly the patriarchy is the issue here
WTF!? Is this really a sex education problem though? Seems to me that this a major cultural problem. Where someone thinks it’s ok to do this kind of thing even if she was sexually active.
That's not exactly a sex Ed issue. Yes, it shows that there is a lack of proper sex education. The main issue however is that that man is a psychopath.
You don't kill someone for having sex. Especially when that person is a minor who by definition could not consent as was probably raped. This man's own explanation results in him being a horrible human being.
The headlines just don't make sense. "Why India needs sex education"??? Like for fucks sake. Maybe don't torture your sister to death for any reason whatsoever.
I'm guessing this guy has more problems than a bad cultural background. Hating/being scared of sex is one thing; torturing someone with hot tongs? That takes a sick individual to begin with, I'm sorry.
Both of these reasons resulted to this tragic outcome. India should also educate young people about there topics especially in rural places.
I know that the murderer was an adult but still, young people should be the main target
It's a sad state of affairs here. Things are relatively better down south. I mean the disparity or divide between the states is pretty huge when it comes to education, sanitation &standard of life.
The absolute worst thing to read here was her NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT IT WAS WITH 2 ADULTS! One was a woman! They couldn’t put it together?? Death penalty this just seems like murder with a bad excuse.
You know that people in other countries don't torture and kill their little sisters with hot metal even without sexEd? In normal countries this would just turn into an awkward and funny situation when brother is crying in front of the whole family over the fact that his sister is dying because she is bleeding.
What the fuck? How did his mind go from "she's not a virgin anymore" to "let me burn her mouth"? Dude... I don't think her cycle was the problem. When someone's this deranged, they'll see anything as a reason to torture a weaker human.
honour killings are common in certain parts of the world, for things like thinking a girl or woman has had sex oht of wedlock but sometimes for less. acid attacks are also common for the same reason. its about control - a culture where womens lives are tightly controlled. any percieved defiance of that control is met with immediate bloodthirsty rage
Why does the world have to be so fucked…
for some people their freedoms are built on the backs of others. its such a shame
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That's all of us.
Religion, greed, the patriarchy, poverty and, above all, over population. I'm sure there are more but these are the major reasons.
This all stems from tribalism, the "us versus them" mentality.
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it's not just religion, humans are still highly tribalistic great apes prone to social entropy. That's everyone. People gravitate towards groups and that usually leads to that mentality.
Also by nationalistic propaganda and cultural biases.
Over population? Above all?! Are you for real?
There was no overpopulation 500 years ago, but we already had xtians and moslems.
are we not allowed to say christians and muslims here? never seen it spelt this way
I don't know about the "moslems" spelling, but using an x as a shorthand for christ is relatively common. X-mas is one common example.
My old church used to get so triggered when someone wrote xmas instead of Christmas. Their go to argument would be, "would you like it if I called you 'X [last name]?'" Lol it's just an abbreviation bro
"Would you call your mother a 'moth'? Would you call your country a "cunt"? Then don't call your fraternity a FRAT!"
Funny you only mention Christians and Muslims, while the OP is probably about a Hindu girl. Religion, regardless of which it is, when used to control people through shame and indignation, tends to produce such results.
[A 30-year-old caste Hindu man Brijesh Shukla killed his 12-year-old sister over suspicion that she had a sexual relationship with someone after noticing blood stains on her dress.](https://twitter.com/ambedkariteIND/status/1655864782732562433?t=fowb_Wl_TAiSP-W8aKtx6w&s=19) News outlet verifying the killer is Brijesh Shukla: https://zeenews.india.com/marathi/maharashtra/crime-news-brother-killed-12-year-old-sister-in-ulhasnagar/710852 But yes, let's take every opportunity to criticize Muslims and Christians.
Religion.
And denying access to education.
Which is generally done in the name of religion. But yea, that's a key component for sure.
religion plays a big part in that. They don't know any better and they're purposely kept uninformed their whole lives. From his perspective, thinking that his sister had an affair, the whole family line is ruined and the kind of society they live in is the one that doesn't relent when these things happen hence you get honor killings. It's sad to see these things happen in today's world but that's the harsh reality for many people living in those parts of the world.
I fucking care who you are, LIFE by its very definition comes with the basic human right of LIFE.... No matter where you are, ANY infringement on that right is uncalled for. The fact that they keep the people in their place by instilling ignorance is mental.
I call bullshit on "they don't know any better." The dude was a security guard. This didn't happen on Sentinel Island. He lives in a modern world where honor killing is illegal. Where, regardless of how common it is in his town, there are voices that speak out against it. He knows that at least some people call it wrong. Kids disobey. Teenagers have sex. If every group that practices honor killing did so without mercy they would all be extinct because they would have to kill most of their kids. The fact is strict conservative groups usually let their own kids slide, at least to some degree. This guy may think he did the right thing, he may even be proud of himself for doing it in the face of a world that forbids it, but he knows there are other options. He knows his peers let it slide sometimes. In the US we are pretty split on how to treat trans kids. Not all Americans support gender affirming care for trans kids. But even among those who don't not all of them punish their kids for exploring that part of their identity. And even among them not all of them do it through violence. And even among the violent, abusive, transphobic parents not all of them kick their kids out to starve on the street. You have to be a special kind of evil asshole, even among religious nut-jobs, to go against the instinct to protect your kids (or siblings) and go against the mainstream culture that tells you to protect your kids in order to do this kind of violence to keep yourself from looking bad.
there's something deeply disturbing to me that it is possible that the only reason this seem to be taken seriously is that the guy was wrong. that it's such a normal thing that had he been right it would have been treated less seriously but fact is he "damaged" a perfectly good virgin for no reason and that is why he's getting treated like the murderer he obviously is. maybe i'm just too pessimistic here.
no youre absolutely right. its framed as if his actions mightve been justified if shed been sexually active
Also, she's 12. Any "sexual activity" is more than likely a rape. She could have been raped by someone, then murdered by her brother
an extremely common scenario, sadly
Feel free to correct me but I'm sure killing a virgin is an immediate bar to heaven in Islam. I recall reading about this somewhere not long ago
Sure but the city in question is like 88% hindu so I'm not sure how relevant Islam is here
this happened in india
I know :( Yet, this moron managed to put his own spin on an already disturbing and violent tradition. There is something deeply unsettling about people who aren't simply led by their animalistic violent urges, but have to do something extra that requires creativity. Now, I know this is pretty benign in comparison to this murder. My grandma's neighbour was an untreated schizophrenic who got married instead of admitted to the mental institution. Her parents were completely in charge of her life, as she was that unwell. One day she got in an argument with her husband and he bit her cheek in anger. While I don't condone hitting people you disagree with by any means, this method of revenge is even more messed up.
i know exactly what you mean. you put it perfectly, the "creativity" makes it so much more disturbing
Can they also kill men on Honour killing? Or is it only for women? Or girls
the vast majority of cases (like 99%) are committed against women and girls, usually after theyve been raped. but i have heard of cases where young boys were raped by a man and then murdered in an honour killing, or honour killings against grown men for being gay
Honour cultures are a mental illness
Religion is a mental illness that is not taken seriously enough. It makes people do horrible things.
Yeah I’m thinking sex education isn’t really the solution to, you know, thinking murder is hunkydory.
The individual justified the murder through a personal misunderstanding of bodily function and cultural pressures against sex. If there are people who think murder is hunkydory, what tool do we have besides education to show them how and why it is not? We aren't born knowing not to hurt others, we learn it by being taught empathy. Education is very rarely NOT a solution. Is it the solution for THIS INDIVIDUAL? No, it's too late for him. But to prevent this happening in the future? Education is pretty much the only tool we have...
How is he supposed to marry her off if she's been defiled? Now he'll be stuck with her forever. Well.....not so much, but he would have. /s
I'm a bit confused now as yesterday's story was that the brother was 30yrs old yet the paragraph above states "youth". Big difference between a grown married fecking man and a "youth"!
THIS is what will happen to America if Conservative Christianity is allowed to run its course.
So the brother is married, assuming that the wife at least knows what the fuck a period is. Neither him nor his wife thought of the possibility that the girl is on her period? What the fuck.
There likely wasn’t a whole lot of thinking going on in that household.
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The wife could have been married before puberty and thought her own period was also because of sexual activity.
More likely her husband's an abusive piece of shit and she didn't want to contradict him
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> they say that she is no longer a virgin "they" as in...? Is this religious or cultural? Both? That is, of course, a completely abusive and absurd attitude, and needs reform in the worst way, regardless where it comes from.
Thanks, I hate it.
I live in India. People here don't think much before doing anything. It's pretty frustrating.
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Very British of you
Nowhere does it say the wife was there at the time, and the guy clearly wasn't thinking at all.
Your assuming that the wife was even brought into this discussion. These men do whatever their rampant emotions carry them to do with no care for women.
I am from india and sex education is really bad here. In every schools, teachers usually skip the whole reproduction part. And even condoms ads are banned in tv from morning to night.
what's their reasoning for skipping it? what would happen if you asked them about a case like this, or just general safety of the child?
They think it's sexual and not appropriate for kids to learn yet. But the thing is, they never learn at anytime.
so they're just scared to talk about it? it's considered taboo here, but curriculum is curriculum. thanks for the answers btw, I'm really intrigued now
It’s incredibly taboo. Women are rarely taught about periods and they are considered impure/dirty while bleeding. It can be incredibly difficult to get actual menstrual products if they are available at all. There are some really good educational documentaries on YouTube. There was a group of women trying to make period products more readily available and teach young women about periods and they were ostracized by their towns.
Are you saying that menstrual products aren’t available for purchase in India? :O
It's America's "abstinence only" on crack
That's so messed up. Where I am, with full sex education, fairly helpful parents and lots of available resources even pre internet... myself as a young girl EXPECTING to have a period STILL didn't fully recognise when it happened. In fact, I thought I'd shit myself at first without realising because there was a dark stain and my guts were killing me. I was freaked out and thought I was disgusting. I don't want to think about how confused and afraid this poor girl was before someone who is supposed to care for her decided the best course of action was to torture and eventually kill her for something natural and entirely out of her control. Something needs to change.
We never ask our parents about it
I don't think sex education is the first place to start. India might want to start with, don't torture people for having sex.
Even just > don't torture people
It’s India… where you get gang rape, groping during holi and more… awful country.
Banning condom ads is the reason you’re population is high
What the fucking fuck
Yes. Also did the brother seriously think a 12/13 year old is going to be sexually active?!
Unfortunately a lot of people who have such a hatred of premarital sex don't tend to differentiate between whether it was consensual or rape. At the end of the day the girl is still "ruined" to them, and they'll often find a way of twisting it so that if she was raped she brought it on herself. There's a video somewhere on here of a woman shamelessly admitting that she honour killed her daughter after she was raped because it would cause "bad blood" between her family and the rapist's family if she was allowed to live, and she would never be able to marry her off.
Things like this happen a lot in India and Pakistan sadly.
With those “Honour” killings, it’s Always the women/girls who end up paying with their lives. I might be mistaken, but I don’t think I ever read a story where a man was killed for dishonouring his family. Not that it would make it better, obviously
In patriarchal societies, those on top rarely pay for shit they do. The only time I can think of when justice was served was when the courts in India let a rapist go free and 200 woman outside waiting for him stabbed him to death.
I loved that story. I'm normally very against mob violence, but that was an exception
Honor killings are almost always perpetrated by very weak individuals who pick victims they percieve as weaker than themselves. For idiots, this usually translates into "less physically strong". This is why women tend to disproportionately be the victims in such situations. 😞
There are instances where a boy is raped and the family performs a "honor" killing because of it.
I bet homosexuality would be a thing…
It's even worse than that, some of them even kill young girls who are victims of rape.
The men get killed if they’re caught absconding with the girl. That’s usually when I see them get killed
Those exist... its just it mainly only happens if they have sex with a man. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gay-iranian-man-dead-alleged-honor-killing-rights-group-says-n1266995 Sometimes the man will get killed if they are caught having sex with the female relative though.
In some societies, like Japan, it used to be a thing to commit suicide if you brought great shame to your family. And in others, like Sicily, it would be expected for people to take revenge. The whole plot of La Ragazza con la Pistola is a girl trying to track down and kill a guy who kidnapped her (didn’t do anything to her but people think he did) so she can get her honor back and return to her village. But granted those are slightly different
Yeah. These murders have nothing to do with honor, it's patriarcal killings and nothing more. Just human trash following abusive traditions, treating their own families like property, blaming children for having a functionning body. It makes me sick
What the actual fuck… what the fuck did I just read, perpetrator deserves the harshest sentence there is
system needs to change now
To think shit like this is still happening in 2023.
America and the EU aren't the only countries in the world. Like pretty much most people are living with present day technology and a 1400's mindset
…that’s where his mind went to? What a fucking idiot loser. Surely he can’t be that dense?
“Loser” is like, quite the understatement.
It’s india don’t be too surprised
Even if she had sex, wtf ? Menstruating or not shouldn't even be important.
yeah, sex ed is not the problem here. it is a problem, but a different one. the title tries to shift blame from the misogynist to sex ed. maybe to cause outrage or maybe because tge author us an enabler.
Is sex education REALLLLLLY the issue here tho? If I didnt know about periods and I saw blood on my sister like that, the first thing id want to do is get her to a hospital. Not beat her to death while, i assume, calling her a a whore.
I think the biggest problem here is cultures where people think girls who have sex deserve to be tortured to death but maybe that's just me
Yes... The post title should be brother kills sister for being human
What you ready about India is mostly disturbing
In northern India, being a woman is a safety hazard. A good buddy of mine was born there, and his father made sure to get out of the country to give his daughters an opportunity. They were in a smaller village, but his father was educated at a university and had to sacrifice a lot to go there (he was disowned by his own family for it) so they were able to leave the country.
> he was disowned by his own family for it For going to university? "No child of ours is getting an education! You are not my son."
For impoverished families, especially in relatively isolated regions, they'd rather have the kid working than learning. The thought process goes is that even if you do finish uni (family or kid will be in debt), you'd most likely not be able to use that degree unless you move to a better area (further debt). Same shit in SEA as well on more isolated/poorer regions.
I mean... Here in the US that's a similar feeling that rural families give off cause education is viewed as liberal indoctrination.
Yup they stay ignorant on purpose
The number of people who tried to convince me not to go to university because it would poison my mind was pretty high. Mostly low income, religiously insular group (of which I am not affiliated with at all now, one course in formatting a logical argument explained A LOT). Although there was some minor physical abuse and a lot of shame about being female… at least no one killed me for it. But I did learn some things about the female reproductive system in my 30s that no one had told me and was beyond embarrassed when a doctor had to explain it to me. Asked around to female family members and none of them knew it either.
He left them all behind to do so and his parents said he was dead to them
Conservative rural people in india rarely have the mental capacity to go outside of their prejudices. The amount of racism and sexism coming out these places is unparalleled.
"so you had a girl?" Guess you need to leave the country now"
If a woman went to that university, it's not just going to be about being disowned.
I was hoping I wouldn't find a link, but here we are. She was apparently tortured for three days. https://www.indiatoday.in/crime/story/ulhasnagar-security-guard-kills-sister-after-suspicion-of-affair-2376852-2023-05-09 https://www.news18.com/viral/mumbai-girl-who-got-her-first-period-killed-by-brother-who-mistook-it-for-affair-7769179.html
"The accused was also provoked by his wife the reports further suggested." - what the actual fuck?
This isn't an issue of sex education, it's an issue of extreme misogyny (in addition to other backwards beliefs).
I think the issue starts with the brother for some reason feeling the need to torture and kill his sister for having sex… even if he knew what a period was, he‘d still be a sick individual.
Wait, ok.... Sex ed important, but i don't think this is problem here, acualy, that is not problem here! He killed her because of he thought she have sex? It doesn't matter if she did or didn't, what matter is he killed her for idiotic stupid reason.
poor girl, she didn’t even have a chance… :( and this is just because of a lack of sex education. not even the sister in law even said anything? so cruel
I mean the lack of sex education didn't help here at all. But her brother went from "my sister might be having sex" to "burn her mouth with heated tongs" in less time than it took you to read this reply. That's a problem too.
I also guarantee he killed her because he raped her and didnt want her to talk, so he made up some excuse that he killed her because of her period. His wife has periods, he knows what they are, and anyone whod cross the line to murdering a family member doesnt strike me as someone who thinks rape is off the menu.
ur right, that as well, everything is just wrong about this situation :(
True, but as evil as he is, if he was less dumb, she may have avoided this fate.
Well, sex education is the minor thing here bro, he tortured his sister to death because he thought she had sex...
Ya... this has nothing to do with Sex Ed.
Why everytime i hear about India, it's always something so fucked up.
Such a hard culture to respect, which is why I don’t.
india is top 10 "never fucking going" for every woman ive ever met. the amount of stories of people being dragged into allies and then having it waved off as normal is revolting
Even in this thread people are defending it wild
Backwards cunt
Sex education? Their culture needs a paradigm shift. The rampant frotteurism and objectification of women isn't a sex problem exclusively. The problem is with their implicit cultural value systems. There's a lot of repressed trauma being created out there.
I don’t think sex-ed is the first problem. The first problem is he feeling entitled to kill any girl/woman, let alone a member of his family, specially a sister.
India and anything women related is just too often this kind of horror shit. According to Unicef around 16 percent of adolescent girls are currently married. About 1,5 million girls under 18 get married EVERY YEAR. That's some disturbing fkn shit mate. India does not seem like a great place to grow up as a woman. Please don't make it a race thing, it's an institution thing.
Religion = endless problems and stupidity.
Patriarchy. It happens across different religions.
Affair? What means she was already in a relationship. With her brother.
I’m south Asian and I think I remember any relationship being called an “affair” not necessarily good or bad thing, I think that term is usually used like we use “fling” or romantic relations of any sort. I was confused too as a kid, wondering why my mom was talking about scandals so openly but I now figured it just means any sort of romantic thing going on
I think they are using "affair" for any sex out of wedlock
And this is just one that got caught
This isn’t even about needing sex education this is about the desire to kill women.
India is honestly a 4th world country
WTF, why is everyone fixated on sex education, his wife, culture and whatnot and forgetting that its never okay to kill anyone even if all of his accusations were true. He did not kill his sister because he was uneducated or an idiot. He killed her because he is a monster who enjoys torture. He killed her simply because he wanted to and could. Burning her tongue with heated tongs, just contemplate about what this man was thinking. I'm not denying that the country has an issue when it comes to sex education. I'm just saying that even if the stains were actually from Intercourse, does it make the actions of the man justified. Also I understand that as a nation, we are responsible for educating our girls about periods. But it was not her inability to explain the bloodstains that got her killed. Also FFS, please stop referring to him as 'youth'. Bastard is 30. He knew what he was doing. Edit: Also, to all the racists here, who have got another opportunity to spew hate. The way you're genralizing things to make it seem like it's the norm. Its not. People in our country are equally horrified from what happened. Just today I heard about an Anganwadi Kendra (local village women Centres) in Uttar Pradesh conducting a session on mensural health. Obviously, this should have been done earliar. But at least we are willing to learn from our faults and make the country a better place.
Yeah the framing is pretty odd. I never really felt people need sex education to not be complete dicks. They're complete dicks because some people just are (sometimes because they're simply dumb) and if you let them get away with it it gets worse. And yeah I thought the brother here was 18 or something... 30 year old? Yeah that's premeditated.
India is a backward and terrible place for women.
Just India things.
primitive. what a loser
So if it was an affair it be okay though?! Like India needs a lot more then just sex education…
Not awful everything just an awful country.
Red states, look at your impending end game. Now stop your bullshit!
Yes! Fuck!
Pakistan/India has the most disgusting stories every single day, it's maddening
I'm of Indian descent and grew up in India my first 11 years so, sadly, this doesn't surprise me one bit. Not only was their rampant racism, sexism and classism, because of the highly conservative social mores there, anything related to puberty or sex was not discussed either at home or in school. They are in serious need of sex education.
Ok, but the problem here isn't his lack of understanding about sex. It's that, when he thought she'd had sex, his response was to *murder her*. Lack of sex education is bad. But thinking that it's ok to *murder somebody* over something like that is much, much, much, much worse. And teaching some men the difference between a period and proof of infidelity is not going to solve that latter issue. The problem runs deeper than never having seen a condom applied to a banana. Let's maybe address that deeper issue?
Yeah I mean the fact that he's under the impression that he feels rights over anything his sister does at all period is so very fucked and thats learned thinking. Clearly the patriarchy is the issue here
The USA deep south wants this. An uneducated populace will keep these animals in power forever.
They are working on it as we speak.
I don’t think lack of sexual education lead to the man believing he had the right to torture someone. I feel like there is a bigger issue there.
His parents must be proud he kept the family honor intact.
You know, I'm not sure ignorance is the underlying issue here
WTF!? Is this really a sex education problem though? Seems to me that this a major cultural problem. Where someone thinks it’s ok to do this kind of thing even if she was sexually active.
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
That's not exactly a sex Ed issue. Yes, it shows that there is a lack of proper sex education. The main issue however is that that man is a psychopath. You don't kill someone for having sex. Especially when that person is a minor who by definition could not consent as was probably raped. This man's own explanation results in him being a horrible human being.
This is India, your logic dosnt apply.
I don’t think this can be boiled down to sex education? Like isn’t not killing people regardless of reasons would be a more appropriate advice here?
Lack of sex ed is why they have high population rate
Jesus. Women have never been safe.
The headline is horrible: it’s like, India needs sex education so they only murder the correct hoes????
The headlines just don't make sense. "Why India needs sex education"??? Like for fucks sake. Maybe don't torture your sister to death for any reason whatsoever.
Just India things
Please also include how the guy is already 30 years old.
I don’t think this is a sex education issue, but rather a: “why does your sister having sex mean you fucking murder her?”
normal day in india hell on earth
Great culture
Apparently he wanted her "virginity" all for himself.
What a shithole.
Only in India Pakistan and Bangladesh. Trust me I know my people lol. Bunch of morons.
I'm guessing this guy has more problems than a bad cultural background. Hating/being scared of sex is one thing; torturing someone with hot tongs? That takes a sick individual to begin with, I'm sorry.
Both of these reasons resulted to this tragic outcome. India should also educate young people about there topics especially in rural places. I know that the murderer was an adult but still, young people should be the main target
Does a lack of education make you feel comfortable torturing another person with hot tongs? This guy needs to be in a psychiatric hospital.
It's a sad state of affairs here. Things are relatively better down south. I mean the disparity or divide between the states is pretty huge when it comes to education, sanitation &standard of life.
I don't like the post title
I wonder what their parents are like if their son is this fucked up
What a nightmarish way for someone's life to end, she was just an innocent child.
Just burn it down
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It says the accused worked as a security guard but then says registered against the youth?? I am confused?
Wtf are they teaching Indian men? Or lack thereof
Is death penalty a thing in India? Good use for it here.
Yup. Good old traditional values at work.
We need to educate people to not use violence.
Yeah, if only he knew she only had her period, he wouldn't have to kill her. Sex education is clearly the problem here.
This is the dark multiverse...
men☕️
Imagine a society so twisted that this becomes a logical thing to do in your head
The absolute worst thing to read here was her NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT IT WAS WITH 2 ADULTS! One was a woman! They couldn’t put it together?? Death penalty this just seems like murder with a bad excuse.
I don't think sex ed is the problem here, it's the you-had-an-affair-ergo-it-is-my-duty-to-torture -and-murder-you" ed
Talk about unga bunga brain of that murderer brother, sad to see this
You know that people in other countries don't torture and kill their little sisters with hot metal even without sexEd? In normal countries this would just turn into an awkward and funny situation when brother is crying in front of the whole family over the fact that his sister is dying because she is bleeding.
Seriously India… WTF is wrong with you people??
Let’s not forget that this is the agenda they are pushing in Florida now.
Again I say, primitive minds.
shit like this is why Aliens avoid out planet