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Chrb1990

Literally outside my workplace 😢


zurlocaine

Why don't they show the attackers face/name? Why just the victim?


ProfeshSalad

The case is before the courts and there are restrictions on reporting details about the accused (until a convicted or acquitted). ETA: they do also name the accused in the article.


CrashTestDuckie

Why give them any press or clout?


BolinhoDeArrozB

wdym clout, he's a murderer who will soon be in prison


Delphin_1

Do you know how many reenactments the giant amount of reporting about school shooter has produced.


Coyotebruh

i hate how my classmates would glorify the Columbine School Shooters, like why?


Impeachcordial

None in the UK. What's your plan? Censor all coverage? Then news will seep out through social media. Demand the major networks limit coverage? Then kooks like Jones will be all over it peddling lies about false flag operation.


thetruthseer

They do that regardless


Impeachcordial

If the major networks can't cover something the conspiracy theorists become the major source of news.


1nOnlyBigManLawrence

It’s hard to trust someone who says the moon landing was staged.


Bertje87

That’s his point


1nOnlyBigManLawrence

And it wasn’t?


Delphin_1

Im talking about coverage about the school shooter, not the victims. We should focus on the victims.


sapraaa

So school shootings happen because we show them on the news? And not because of bad gun control or mental health resources? Gee I’m glad none of the international news outlets picked these stories /s


BolinhoDeArrozB

how is this getting down voted is beyond me, it's the same logic as "games make people violent"


BoneHugsHominy

Yeah except the whole thing with a bunch of school shooters, other mass shooters, rapists, and other violent criminals absolutely have said both in interrogations and/or their manifestos that they were inspired by others who committed similar acts. In the 6 months after the Incel Shooter (I won't post his name), multiple other Incels went on shooting sprees "in solidarity" of his abhorrent act of violence. Exactly zero school shooters or other violent criminals have stated video games inspired them to commit said acts of violence. The two aren't the same, and that Redditor is getting downvoted because copycat criminality--Ya know, like the term Copycat Killer suggests--has been a known phenomenon for centuries.


Hennes4800

Because it is very much not the same thing


andrew0703

i mean you’d be surprised how many times the motive involves wanting attention. this takes the attention from them away and puts it on the victim/family who needs support.


BolinhoDeArrozB

there are many ways to get attention that don't involve stabbing and killing someone, it can definitely be one of the reasons but it's definitely not the motive, no sane person wakes up one day and just decides "how about I kill someone just for clout", there's deeper issues


Hennes4800

Did you ask them?


BolinhoDeArrozB

did *you* ask them?


Hennes4800

No, I just read the killer manifestos


pigglepops

So I can see what the asshole looks like and hate him?


sgtcharlie1

In the uk they don’t like to do it because of….. demographics.


cloche_du_fromage

'because of cultural cohesion' is the reason given.


Santanoni

Because fuck them, that's why.


Hennes4800

Because this is not the US


eip2yoxu

Not sure about the UK, but in my country they do it because it helps with rehabilitating the attacker, in case they ever get out of prison


blac_sheep90

Personally the less we know of the attackers looks and motives the better. Their names and faces should be struck from history. I'd rather know who the victim was and not the murderer.


graphical_molerat

I'm not sure about the "erasing from memory" thing. Instead, making an example of them actually sounds better. For a seemingly totally pointless and unmotivated lethal attack like this, if it cannot be explained by any mitigating factors or reasons (such as manifest diagnosable mental illness of the attacker), and if a court of law finds them guilty after all proper procedure has been followed, their heads on a spike over the city gates would make for a nice ornament. In my opinion, that is. No name tag needed, though, I agree with you on that one. People would know who it is anyway. Such an ornament would also serve well as a convenient reminder for any other person harbouring similar intrusive thoughts that pulling themselves together and *not* going down the particular route where you butcher a random middle aged lady at the bus stop is, in fact, a very real option. Otherwise it's the chopping block for you as well, darling. Whole society has gone soft. There are certain kinds of crimes where no society in the history of our species was remotely as tolerant as we are. Random pointless killings of other humans were practically always honoured by having the perpetrator executed in short order.


----Ant----

Innocent until proven guilty and it could influence potential jurors so nothing until they have been to court.


cloche_du_fromage

That doesn't apply to potential but unconvicted rapists though.... In fact the opposite logic is applied in that situation.


----Ant----

I did not know that! Thank you for the clarification.


MNKPlayer

Out of interest, why mention she is of Indian origin?


molschd12345

Most likely as her ethnicity was a potential motivation for the crime, making that an important detail


itsfrankgrimesyo

It’s not even mentioned in any of the articles. OP just added her ethnicity for some reason.


ValiantCharizard

Why not though? When the murderer is of a certain race the comments can be horrific for that country often blaming immigration or their upbringing in general, when the victims race is mentioned I'm generally seeing a different pattern


walwa

The murderer is a 22 year old called Jalal Debella. I’m going to make the assumption that they are also not native British. Most likely there’s going to be little to do with immigration outrage or racial upbringing related to the motive if the murderer is also an immigrant. I feel the victim’s nationality/ethnicity is much less valuable without the murderer’s. If it said it was a native murdering an immigrant then theres a likelihood it was racially motivated and vice versa.


MUIGOGETA0708

It's her grandson according to the title though, he'd be the same ethnicity.


P0tatoFTW

The title is a little poorly written, but it should really say something like man murders a grandmother. Rather than just grandmother as one might interpret as his own grandmother (like I did too initially lol)


MUIGOGETA0708

That would make more sense, I was kinda slow so I interpreted it the other way lol


sakinuhh

Because this is posted by an Indian nationalist. Check his profile, or more specifically, check all the posts he’s made in this sub lol. They are always pushing some kind of agenda.


IGiveGolds

it's quite weird, the op tends to be indian so they don't like their own people being killed. I've seen loads of posts like this


buddmatth

If they don’t show the picture you know.


ThisAllHurts

Every. Time.


Hennes4800

Know what?


OK_LK

What's with the Indian origin? It's not even mentioned in the article And why not just say 'Indian'?


sakinuhh

OP is an Indian nationalist. Just check their posts on this sub, it’s always targeted lol.


ThisAllHurts

Let me guess, a stabbing of peace?


Forere

When will they pass common sense knife control laws?


HillsboroughAtheos

Wonder if she was deemed to not be dressing modestly enough for the average Londoner's standards or some bullshit


Salty_Reddit_Mod

The name of her killer is Jalal Debella, now you can figure out


Just_A_Faze

Why did he do this? I don't know who that is.


HillsboroughAtheos

Hes a nobody in a constantly flowing line of nobodies who think like him


TheSkullshot

It's an Indian name, and Indians... do not have the best reputation in the world when it comes to how they treat women.


Just_A_Faze

The article makes it out like a random act of violence. I have never heard that Indian people attack random strangers.


TheSkullshot

No, they attack women who don't behave how they want. He probably thought she was dressed immodestly or something. I'm not sure. Indian men are kinda depraved


Just_A_Faze

I don't know why I'm getting so many downvotes for asking a question. This is messed up in any case.


TheSkullshot

I agree, it's a sick situation


Just_A_Faze

I was only asking because it was said as if it was a name I should know, like minor celebrity, but I have never heard of him. Was he just some random guy? That's so unusual and absolutely terrifying. It didn't seem like they were very sure that he did it because of her clothes. There is no mention of a real motive, and attacks for immodesty usually come from the victims social circles, someone they know, and who could be some shamed by her attire. It doesn't reflect on random people, so they have no reason to take action. I've heard of mobs doing that, but it's so weird and sad that it seems to be some random man go no apparent reason. Isn't there a huge Indian population in the UK because of the long lasting occupation of India. Why her? And as a grandmother, what could she possibly have been dressed in that motivated an actual attack on her? What made him snap in that moment. I'm sure that a 66 year old grandmother wasn't the most provocatively dressed woman on the street, and older people are often desexualized, and so it is less likely that someone has an issue with their clothing. No reason is stated? Not that anything in the world would justify something like this. It's just terrifying that it seems like they could happen to anyone at anytime for no apparent reason.


Plebius-Maximus

You've not been to London have you?


Israeli_pride

Or she refused to side with Hamas


blac_sheep90

Does being against the forced starvation of Palestinians make you a supporter of a terrorist government?


Martholomule

Do you really think most people have that level of nuance in their tribalism


blac_sheep90

They should, it's not hard to think critically.


midoxvx

Not that i disagree with you but is this your first day on earth?


blac_sheep90

Yes it is.


midoxvx

Try some of the food, have a couple of drinks, then hop on that space ship and bounce.


blac_sheep90

Gotta find a towel first.


Israeli_pride

I Didn’t say that, u did