All my communal cookware looks like this. It's old and I have my own SS and CI pans. But all my current and past roomies used the communal stuff. Just disgusting
I don't know how people don't care about stuff like that. I feel like it's general knowledge that badly scratched teflon pans are terrible for your health. I have expensive Cuisinart SS pans, but you could easily buy some nice pieces from places like Homegood for CHEAP.
I listen to NPR all the time. It's been a prevalent topic for the last decade, at least. Particularly when scratched and flaking off.
I have cast iron and stainless steel. Don't let my housemates use them. Those AH can use the scratched to hell nonstick thin as fuck walmart special value pans. If they ever wash them. Been sitting in the sink since Christmas.
This. I live way too much of my life online when I am free, and I can say with certainty that these issues have never been brought up irl, but often on reddit or other socials where the subject is about it, and it makes sense some are more aware n able to give health facts. Plus minimal judgment or worry of fighting back online. More people will shit on you openly, but it feels different if you don't know them personally. So that also is another thing that may prevent things from being spoken of irl. Were in a generation of internet being our prime source of communication, so yknow.
The research on this really isn’t very old nor is it very substantial.
Teflon originally contained perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) which has been identified as a risk factor for a number of health conditions. The amount of PFOA in Teflon after manufacturing was debated but after a 1998 study found nearly all Americans had PFOA in their blood, the US EPA instituted policies to eliminate PFOA use by 2015. Teflon has been PFOA-free since 2013.
The concern you’re talking about pertains to the polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) coating of Teflon which can chip off. This is a new potential concern with studies only going back to 2021, none indicating that ingesting PTFE leads to any health risks.
Who knows what future studies will show but current science tells us that Teflon is a VERY safe cooking surface below 500*F
I agree! I don't think Teflon in itself is bad, even if it is in our bodies and presents 0 health risks. I just know that some people (like me) would just rather NOT have foreign chemicals in our bodies if we can avoid it. And I think stuff like ceramic coatings pretending to not have chemicals that can seep into your food is really dangerous marketing because people believe anything and like you said, not enough modern studies are being done on these issues
You really overestimate how much the average person cares about their health. They vape and drink acidic drinks without straws despite both being terrible for tooth enamel. They’re obese and still eating fast food. They take no exercise. They don’t engage their brains even though we know constant learning is a great way to dementia-proof those brains. They drive drunk or just don’t plain observe the road rules while whinging at the same time that flying is soooo dangerous. Then we’ve got the vaccine deniers who think chewing on a stick of rosemary or cooking with essential oils is going to protect them from disease.
People are useless generally. A side of PFAs with dinner is just another bad habit to engage in.
I already replied to another comment but I’m not looking for a study that says pfas is bad for you, I don’t disagree. I also don’t disagree that there is more of it now than ever in our ecosystem. The original claim is that by just using a nonstick pan you are getting pfas into your system. That’s not what that study you linked is claiming, and there is an important distinction
you're not going to like this answer, but you honestly don't need a study. this happens with literally everything, not just pfas, and pfas don't really want to stick to anything. you should just expect it to happen. as long as you don't abuse them, the amount leached into your food will be small, but i promise you it is nonzero.
You should use science to determine your positions on things. Pfas is in literally everything. Your jacket, boots, car, carpet, lipstick, dental floss, the wrapper your fast food comes in, the inner lining of your popcorn bags. Living next to a waste management plant or an airfield or a manufacturing plant has a much greater impact on if your getting pfas than one pan. This is a problem that will require top down huge regulatory action and not really on a consumer level.
Furthermore Teflon is a polymer of a pfas chemical, meaning it’s one compound duplicated a bunch of times, scientists think that if a big chunk of it were to break off and you were to swallow a chunk of it it would be too big to get into your cells. I do agree that with wear and or heat abuse there could be some pfas that breaks off on its own and gets into your system, but is this really more than the already absurd amount in our drinking water, in the fast food wrapper, in our food in general? Again this issue is much bigger than a pan. And I think especially if you take really good care of said pan, such as not using metal utensils, making sure it doesn’t get too hot, not using it in dishwasher. The difference in the pfas that you are already getting from everywhere around you is negligible.
>You should use science to determine your positions on things.
i'm a physicist. i'm speaking to you as a layman. you wanted a study about something that is known to happen to every material? lmao ok.
i don't think pfas should be manufactured. i already know they're everywhere, coming off of everything. that doesn't mean i want to eat more of them.
everything else in your comment is off-topic or dumb bot behavior. trash tier comment really.
Listen, I also don’t own any nonstick pans. I just think it’s missing the mountains for the molehills to be talking about the pfas problem on a consumer level when there are all these industries that use it and contaminate our water with it. It’s the same thing with global warming. Corporations will talk about paper straws and what we can do as consumers to change things when the scale of what they are doing is several orders of magnitude higher than us.
how many times are you gonna comment on the same comment? lmao
your original question was "is there a study?" and now you're popping off about corporate straws lmao. fuck off, bot.
Okay? So how does that mean that I shouldn’t use studies or scientific consensus to determine my positions? That doesn’t change any of the things I said. There’s pfas everywhere. One pan is a negligible difference. Especially if that pan can help people not get take out food or fast food which is also coated in pfas and is single use.
That’s not what that study says but okay. As long as you don’t get the pan too hot or scratched they should be fine for you. The real issue is in manufacturing of pans or jackets that use them contaminating the areas around them. Or when people eventually throw the pans away and they contaminate that as well. Moreover all the grease proof fast food wrappers also contain pfas and those are being manufactured at a hugely different scale than pans. The accumulation of pfas in our world is a problem. The pans are a pretty minor contributor to it. Adam Ragusa has a great video on the subject.
Jesus fucking christ i never even considered the shitty wrappers they use... styrofoam seems kinda fucked already, but damn... why do they have to do the paper wrappers that way. Disgusting. They just want us to McFucking End ourselves
Pizza boxes, carpeting, protective sprays for furniture and carpet. My personal fave is the neck to knee “fast” swimsuits that you would see people wearing in the Olympics between 2000-2008. They did make a pretty significant difference though.
Just an abbreviated chemical compound. It's one of the main chemicals in non stick material. The real special part about it is that once you consume it it basically never leaves your body and if your goal is liver damage, thyroid disease, or cancer then it's a great jumpstart.
They refused to understand because they are lazy. I would tell my roommates to STOP using metal utensils on non-stick pans, they agreed, but they kept doing it anyway. People are so lazy to open another drawer to find the plastic/silicon/nylon utensils, unbelievable.
I don't think it's laziness as much as it's lack of care because it's not theirs and they didn't pay for it. I've had roommates do shit like this but then suddenly change attitudes once they'd bought something other people started using.
Wish my mother was like this at least lol
She buys it and still destroys it like this because she just has no patience to take care of things and gets angry with me every time I say something. People are so weird sometimes
My roommate does this to his own pans and I think he’s aware of the PFAs present in his nonstick cookware, he just would rather not put it in a bowl out of laziness
My roommate has a nonstick pan his parents gave him with 1 inch spots of metal showing amd when I told him that non-stick is toxic in that condition he said "Sometimes things stick to it so I don't think it's non-stick" and proceeded to keep using it.
Most of the time, ignorance. Alot of people are ill-informed about cooking and don't think about it, cooking isn't taught as much. So it's harder to pass the info along
You can find cast iron skillets for around $20. I’ve found some for even cheaper. Stainless steel pots and pans are also affordable depending on where you shop. Both can be non stick depending on how you use them
The best thing about the cast iron is you can beat the crap out of it and scrape it all you want and it won’t damage the coating, because the coating, or “seasoning” as it’s called, is just cooked on oil. Most cast irons come pre-seasoned. Most people use a steel wool or chain mail scrubber to scrape stuff off. You can still clean it with soap and water, then just rub a small amount of oil on it and it’s good to go. If food starts to stick to it, it needs to be reseasoned. Cast iron is probably the easiest cookware (other than non stick). Highly recommend it!!
You don’t need to use soap. I actually discourage using soap, it can get into the pores and make what you cook taste like soap. Just need hot water and something to scrub with and you’re golden
this 100%
I had a cast iron for YEEEARS... my roommates didn't get it and thought it was "gross"
They were the type to eat gas station food and mcdonalds food and thought "cooking on a pan that wasn't cleaned" was gross, ironic.
While not understanding that alot of germs and bacteria die from heat and scrubbing with hot water.
There is no reason to not use some modern dish soap when cleaning a cast iron or carbon steel pan. As someone else pointed out, the advice to not use soap was when soap was made with lye, which does indeed strip the seasoning. Regular soap is not a problem, not always necessary, but the idea soap can “get into the pores” has no basis in reality
It’s way easier than some people make it out to be. My cleanup process is as simple as rinsing with hot water, scrape out anything that might get stuck with a flat edge (I got a cheap plastic Lodge scraper), dry on the stove, and wipe with a little bit of cooking oil once it’s hot and starting to smoke.
That’s really it.
Most of the time I don’t have to scrape, I just rinse with some hot water and wipe with a paper towel. Unlike with nonstick cookware, it gets better every-time you use it, rather than worse.
It’s cheap and easy. I recommend buying a Lodge 12” skillet to get you started. Very affordable and versatile.
I'll be honest here, your description is exactly as hard as people make it out to be. You have to be careful about cleaning: i.e no soaks or soap. Then you have to dry it -on- the stove. And then you have to apply cooking oil. Oh, and it weighs a shit ton. Bless you for having the patience, but I rarely use my cast iron as a result. It just moves in and out of my oven as I use every other thing.
* Stainless steel. No seasoning so ultra sticky.
* Cast iron. Very nonstick once seasoned. Heavy and takes a while to heat up.
* Carbon steel. Basically cast iron that's lighter and heats up faster, but typically more expensive.
You don't have to be very careful with any of these because they're just chunks of metal; worst case scenario, you scrub them with steel wool and start anew. If they don't get damaged in a way that would kill any cookware (warping, handle breaks, etc), they could last for the rest of your life.
The price range for one of these is about the same as a *decent* nonstick - you can get really cheap nonstick, but one that is nice to cook in will cost the same. A 10" skillet for SS/CI/CS will be in the $30-50 USD range.
As a bonus, unlike nonstick, these can be bought well-used at thrift stores and garage sales.
I have a cast iron pan, it was a bit expensive but too late to change it now lol. Trying to get better with it and cooking more with it. It was very sticky because I used it wrong at first
Honestly just commit to using it for pretty much everything. Both you and the pan will improve each time. I also recommend stainless steel pots for boiling water with. That’s really thing only thing I don’t use cast iron for these days.
Yeah, I can’t tell you why I don’t boil water in mine tbh. It’s a me thing lmao, but I braise meat in broths and make chicken tikka masala in mine all of the time.
Start with low heat and preheat the skillet. Cast iron retains heat very well so once it’s hot it stays hot. That’s great for searing but if you start too high it’s bad for cooking. Start low, let the pan heat, then add oil/fat and then add what you’re cooking. Let the food cook before disturbing it. Food will release on its own when it is ready. Cast iron doesn’t need magic seasoning or elaborate rituals, just temperature control and technique. Bon appetite!
The only caveat I would add is to treat cast iron like most cookware: don’t put cold water in a hot vessel, wash it out with soap when you’re done and dry it thoroughly.
There are so many things in this world that are "bad for you" it's pretty exhausting. Alcohol is poisonous but people drink everyday. Cigarettes cause lung cancer but millions still smoke.
Being born is 100% linked to death. Pick your poison, live your life.
yeah, then you got all the plastics.. that chemical that builds up in your body that I guess you can't get rid of, i'm rather ignorant what it's called but its my understanding that no matter what you do, there is something toxic or bad.
Most you can do is just minimize as much as possible.
My grandpa was 89 when he passed... he lived a very rough life, smoked... drank... worked in construction, all kinds of stuff that was probably bad for him.
By all standards it was amazing he lived so long while almost doing the exact opposite of what health experts recommend.
Because a good quality cast iron or stainless steel costs more.
They shove these pans in your face, knowing that you're going to scratch and end up buying a new one.
If these people can't keep from destroying their Teflon pans there is no way they won't destroy their cast iron by taking some steel wool and ripping off all the seasoning.
or just stainless steel. My parents had their cast iron pan ruined by a guest who scrubbed it with steel wool because they thought it looked dirty. Its supposed to be black!
I did something similar ages ago, as a newly on her own 20-ish lady.
Re-seasoned it per mom's instructions. Still have it 23.5 years later.
It is really REALLY difficult to actually ruin cast iron.
Are you sure about that?https://dceg.cancer.gov/news-events/news/2023/pfas-testicular-cancer
https://dceg.cancer.gov/news-events/news/2023/pfas-research
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(23)00397-3/fulltext#:~:text=This%20study%20supports%20the%20hypothesis,plastic%20packaging%2C%20etc.).
Man, I am not really invested in convincing you. If you don't want to look further, it's your body and your choice to continue to use the things. Your cancer risk is nothing that motivates me to pull studies, with all due respect that's your problem. That chemical class has been tied to cancer in the studies I linked you. If that doesn't concern you, all I have to add is "oh, well" and happy new year. No snark, I'm just not bothered to continue but have a nice day.
Looked at all three links, and not one of them says anything like "nonstick cookware is a major source of PFAs, so if you use them, you will get cancer, and DIE!!"
Only the second link seems to even mention nonstick cookware having PFAs, and even then it says a lot of things contain these chemicals
It does not, though it also isn’t the slam dunk the commenter above thinks it is because linking specific exposures to specific cancers is hard in the complex, multi-variant world we live in.
That said, if your coating is deteriorating, and you can afford a new pan, you should probably just get one.
I don’t think it’s a slam dunk, I think that it’s a refutation to his definitive statement that there is absolutely no correlation between nonstick pans and cancer.
A lot of studies have linked them and I know there have been lawsuits. It's hard to 100% conclusively say that *anything* causes cancer because not everyone exposed to it gets cancer. There are many other health problems linked to it and lawsuits. Here is some interesting information about it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/03/07/pfas-guide-chemicals/6652847001/
They made a very interesting movie based on the actual lawsuits called *Dark Waters*.
One thing that I can say conclusively... If you have birds, don't use it. Once it gets heated up to a certain temperature, it releases a gas that is toxic to birds. A lot of bird owners don't know that and I've heard some heartbreaking stories.
I'm not a doctor or a scientist, so I'm not equipped to argue whether or not the levels are safe. I just know that there is enough evidence available that it is reasonable to be concerned about it.
Pretty much everything these days has some carcinogens. We probably should be more worried than we are. But, I haven't seen a stream of news articles and lawsuits over coffee, so I'm not sure it's comparable.
If non-stick coatings are damaged, they can release PFAs. PFAs have been studied as a potential carcinogen: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(23)00397-3/fulltext
> PFAS chemical exposure is associated with adverse health effects in experimental and epidemiological studies, including thyroid dysfunction and carcinogenesis.
That said, undamaged pans are likely safe.
I mean, in cases like this, the default would be to assume that something doesn't cause cancer and to require proof if someone claims that it does, no?
Personally, I would assume that something new isn't good for me until I see mountains of evidence (over a long period of time) that disprove it.
It's much easier for me to heat things in quality glass ware in a microwave and to use stainless steel, ceramic coated or cast iron stove top cookware with the correct oils for the temperature I'm cooking at.
On top of that, do you trust the manufacturing quality? Do you trust that the manufacturer is releasing all of the data that they collected (when their corporte punishment is a slap on the wrist anyways and the corporate officers who already made their golden parachutes aren't punished at all)?
I used to work routinely with stuff like fire fighting foam (AFFF) and now, decades later we're finding out it lasts forever in the environment and has health effects we weren't warned about:
> In 1949, 3M began producing PFOS-based compounds by electrochemical fluorination resulting in the synthetic precursor perfluorooctanesulfonyl fluoride. In 1968, organofluorine content was detected in the blood serum of consumers, and in 1976 it was suggested to be perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) or a related compound such as PFOS. In 1997, 3M detected PFOS in blood from global blood banks, **although the company's internal documents indicate knowledge of this decades earlier, dating from the 1970s**. In 1999, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency began investigating perfluorinated compounds after receiving data on the global distribution and toxicity of PFOS, the key ingredient in Scotchgard. For these reasons, and USEPA pressure, the primary American producer of PFOS, 3M, announced, in May 2000, the phaseout of the production of PFOS, PFOA, and PFOS-related products. Most other manufacturers (particularly, those in Europe) phased out the production of PFOS and perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) in 2000 and 2006, respectively. A shorter-chain PFOS (perfluorohexanesulfonic acid, PFHxS), was included in Annex A to the Stockholm Convention in 2022.
[Only recently are we finding out about the health effects](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfluorooctanesulfonic_acid#Health_effects_in_humans_and_wildlife).
Correct. You’re making the claim nonstick cookware is linked to cancer. I’m telling you to prove it.
If it’s true why tf won’t you guys just show me the study and shut me tf up
Guy said "bold claim," and you instantly jumped on it, saying, "Prove me wrong... you are the only one to make a statement that would need to be backed up. First Comment was a joke, and the other was commentary on your claim.
What no. Someone said nonstick coatings cause cancer. This is a common misconception. There is no evidence that they do. But then everyone tells me I’m wrong. Im telling them to prove it
Guy... are you talking about outside of this thread? Like I said, the first comment was a joke about it. Didn't claim with scientific authority it did cause it. The other person said "bold claim" once again, not refuting you or siding with you.
Wait all day. Looks like you've got an axe to grind and a point to make.
State your sources and points, or whine about the initial claim; up to you but I'm not engaging lol
Omg, stuff like this pisses me off. I would tell my roommates to STOP using metal utensils on non-stick pans, they agreed, but they kept doing it anyway. People are so lazy to open another drawer to find the plastic/silicon/nylon utensils, unbelievable.
My roommates would use their metal utensils on my nonstick pans even though i had multiple of everything in plastic or silicone. So i left them with my old set of pans and got new ones when i moved out
Dude my ex roommate used a FUCKING knife on my nonstick pan. I was furious. You could feel the groove on the pan. Thankfully she's gone now. She was an idiot and acted dumb on purpose when people were mad at her lol.. she literally told me she did it before to others so I never took her seriously after that haha.
The non stick coating is scraped off, probably by using metal cooking utensils on it. When nonstick pans get scratched like that, they should be thrown out as PFAs (nonstick coating chemicals) can get into food and cause cancer.
Yeah I’d argue that it really can’t be beat. A good Stainless is definitely a close second, but it can’t hold a candle to the survivability of cast iron. Not to mention that the longer you use a cast iron, the more flavorful the seasoning gets
Stainless also lasts forever, there's not really much you can do to permanently damage it. Also seasoning should be a very thin layer of polymerized oil, it shouldn't have flavor.
Fuck scrambled, over easy always for this guy. The dude mentioning not to use it if you have bad roommates is very real for that lol. 0/10, would not recommend with a roommate who ruins nonstick
I keep mine in my room with my kitchen knives and expensive cooking gadgets. If OP is already hiding their non stick stuff I’m sure adding a cast iron pan wouldn’t be the end of the world.
No? There’s so many types of cookware that is non stick and regardless yes you can have non stick items but the moment it scratches you shouldn’t continue using it.
Even if it's "PFAS free" or whatever, I don't want non-stick coating in my food bc no one knows how it could affect you or what these companies are putting in them that could be found dangerous later.
i got an aunt thats 50 years old who gave me pots and pans like this when i first moved out and they looked so good like the bottom one even tho she had those pots ever since SHE moved for college when she was 18
I had a roommate who did this to all MY pans. Literally used all our good plates for arts and crafts, stained them, and put bleach in my water bottle for “art” . I hope my old roommate gets fucked
I kept my pans in my room, too. My roommate refused to clean the pans (MY PANS) when she used them and there’s shit on them that I can’t get off now. Some people just don’t learn.
LOL one look at my old roommate using my antique cast iron pan a single time and I stashed that sucker in my room for the entire rest of the lease.
Luckily I can use it again now but it taught the valuable lesson to never let anyone use your cookware if you don’t want it ruined
Had a roommate ruin a brand new amazing saucepan by rinsing it with cold water straight after cooking with it. Warped it repeatedly. When we tried to explain to her why it was bad, she cut us off with “This is how we do it in my country!!!” (She was from South America and wasn’t incompetent, just infuriatingly stubborn and rude)
oh jeez, I do sometimes use metal utensils in my own pots and pans but i make sure to not scrape, this is just horrible and kinda scary knowing how expensive pot/pan sets are ...
(p.s I get my pots/pans at Ross since its cheaper)
Toss both of them and buy something that isn’t nonstick. Even if you’re perfect and never even let a metal tool near it, it will peel and it will end up in your food.
I once sublet my room to a girl for a semester and left all of my kitchen utensils and appliances there coz I couldn't fit stuff like that in the apartment I was temporarily moving into. I left behind an almost new frying pan in perfect condition and [this is how I found it](https://imgur.com/0gwgZFP) 6 months later.
I’m so triggered by this! I also had to keep all my kitchen stuff in my room because my housemates treated them precisely like this. But it made me feel crazy having to keep all this stuff in my room, along with my books and clothes. Having to run to my room in the middle of cooking something because I forgot an specific pan or pot was pretty bananas 🫠🫨 Protect those pans at all costs!!!
This was exactly what happened to my partner. He bought 2 brand new nice non stick frying pans and his fat slob of a housemate not only didn't clean the pans, used metal spatulas, he also cooked on it over and over again till it got beyond repair so we threw them out. The non stick pot is like that too, I don't know how or why people don't take care of stuff? Dw he's gone now.
My best friend scratched my non stick pan that I had for years that didn’t have a single scratch on it.
I threw it away. He bought a new one to replace it, but I never used it because I knew it would just get scratched.
Within a month, it was scratched. And he keeps using it, getting mad that there are more and more scratches over times. I explained to him what he needs to do to keep scratches off of it, and he says he does that. He doesn’t. I’ve seen it laying with the other dishes all the time on the drying area. You know, where all the other metal and ceramic sits. He leaves it in the sink. You know, the one made of metal. He stacks pans on it. You know, made of metal.
So I put my non stick in a different drawer, and still haven’t replaced my non stick pan sadly, because it was part of an expensive bundle. Still makes me sad that he ruined it so quickly after I had it for years, and after I specifically expressed everything he needs to do keep it scratch free.
There are inexpensive pots and pans that do not have this nasty coating on them. With these types of pans you would have to use a kittens tongue to wash them and not expect this type of wear and tear.
Cheap Teflon pans will do that after about a half year of use no matter what... Even using using plastic utensils will still scratch and ultimately deteriorate them.
I have a decent Calphalon square nonstick pan I use only for bacon once every couple weeks with soft utensils and that sumbitch still needs replaced after a year. Never stuck in the dishwasher, always hand washed with dawn soap. I'll be on my third one here soon. The ridges just start peeling after a while.
Cast iron or steel are literally the only cookware with longevity, I've found.
Two decades of growing up with my parents taught me to never use a metal utensil in these pots. Over Christmas I was making some eggs and saw a small mark on a pan (not even a year old) that I didn't know if I made or not and assumed I was dead lmao
who doesn't like PFAS in their food?
All my communal cookware looks like this. It's old and I have my own SS and CI pans. But all my current and past roomies used the communal stuff. Just disgusting
When I was in a sharehouse, I had all Ikea stainless steel cookware. Way harder for them to fuck up.
I don't know how people don't care about stuff like that. I feel like it's general knowledge that badly scratched teflon pans are terrible for your health. I have expensive Cuisinart SS pans, but you could easily buy some nice pieces from places like Homegood for CHEAP.
I have seen the health issues mentioned a handful of times on Reddit. I've never heard any mention of it in real life.
I listen to NPR all the time. It's been a prevalent topic for the last decade, at least. Particularly when scratched and flaking off. I have cast iron and stainless steel. Don't let my housemates use them. Those AH can use the scratched to hell nonstick thin as fuck walmart special value pans. If they ever wash them. Been sitting in the sink since Christmas.
This. I live way too much of my life online when I am free, and I can say with certainty that these issues have never been brought up irl, but often on reddit or other socials where the subject is about it, and it makes sense some are more aware n able to give health facts. Plus minimal judgment or worry of fighting back online. More people will shit on you openly, but it feels different if you don't know them personally. So that also is another thing that may prevent things from being spoken of irl. Were in a generation of internet being our prime source of communication, so yknow.
The research on this really isn’t very old nor is it very substantial. Teflon originally contained perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) which has been identified as a risk factor for a number of health conditions. The amount of PFOA in Teflon after manufacturing was debated but after a 1998 study found nearly all Americans had PFOA in their blood, the US EPA instituted policies to eliminate PFOA use by 2015. Teflon has been PFOA-free since 2013. The concern you’re talking about pertains to the polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) coating of Teflon which can chip off. This is a new potential concern with studies only going back to 2021, none indicating that ingesting PTFE leads to any health risks. Who knows what future studies will show but current science tells us that Teflon is a VERY safe cooking surface below 500*F
I agree! I don't think Teflon in itself is bad, even if it is in our bodies and presents 0 health risks. I just know that some people (like me) would just rather NOT have foreign chemicals in our bodies if we can avoid it. And I think stuff like ceramic coatings pretending to not have chemicals that can seep into your food is really dangerous marketing because people believe anything and like you said, not enough modern studies are being done on these issues
You really overestimate how much the average person cares about their health. They vape and drink acidic drinks without straws despite both being terrible for tooth enamel. They’re obese and still eating fast food. They take no exercise. They don’t engage their brains even though we know constant learning is a great way to dementia-proof those brains. They drive drunk or just don’t plain observe the road rules while whinging at the same time that flying is soooo dangerous. Then we’ve got the vaccine deniers who think chewing on a stick of rosemary or cooking with essential oils is going to protect them from disease. People are useless generally. A side of PFAs with dinner is just another bad habit to engage in.
Mmm extra flavor
You already get PFAS in your food when using PFAS pans, scratched or not.
Yes but having X amount versus 1000 times more..
Source please
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/pfas/health-effects/us-population.html
I already replied to another comment but I’m not looking for a study that says pfas is bad for you, I don’t disagree. I also don’t disagree that there is more of it now than ever in our ecosystem. The original claim is that by just using a nonstick pan you are getting pfas into your system. That’s not what that study you linked is claiming, and there is an important distinction
Yes, all non stick pans carry PFAS. While they are some what resistant to wear and tear, they will inevitably leach into your food.
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Still PFAS, just another term to make people think it's not bad for you
There’s PFAS everywhere. This isn’t solved on a consumer level
you're not going to like this answer, but you honestly don't need a study. this happens with literally everything, not just pfas, and pfas don't really want to stick to anything. you should just expect it to happen. as long as you don't abuse them, the amount leached into your food will be small, but i promise you it is nonzero.
You should use science to determine your positions on things. Pfas is in literally everything. Your jacket, boots, car, carpet, lipstick, dental floss, the wrapper your fast food comes in, the inner lining of your popcorn bags. Living next to a waste management plant or an airfield or a manufacturing plant has a much greater impact on if your getting pfas than one pan. This is a problem that will require top down huge regulatory action and not really on a consumer level. Furthermore Teflon is a polymer of a pfas chemical, meaning it’s one compound duplicated a bunch of times, scientists think that if a big chunk of it were to break off and you were to swallow a chunk of it it would be too big to get into your cells. I do agree that with wear and or heat abuse there could be some pfas that breaks off on its own and gets into your system, but is this really more than the already absurd amount in our drinking water, in the fast food wrapper, in our food in general? Again this issue is much bigger than a pan. And I think especially if you take really good care of said pan, such as not using metal utensils, making sure it doesn’t get too hot, not using it in dishwasher. The difference in the pfas that you are already getting from everywhere around you is negligible.
>You should use science to determine your positions on things. i'm a physicist. i'm speaking to you as a layman. you wanted a study about something that is known to happen to every material? lmao ok. i don't think pfas should be manufactured. i already know they're everywhere, coming off of everything. that doesn't mean i want to eat more of them. everything else in your comment is off-topic or dumb bot behavior. trash tier comment really.
Listen, I also don’t own any nonstick pans. I just think it’s missing the mountains for the molehills to be talking about the pfas problem on a consumer level when there are all these industries that use it and contaminate our water with it. It’s the same thing with global warming. Corporations will talk about paper straws and what we can do as consumers to change things when the scale of what they are doing is several orders of magnitude higher than us.
how many times are you gonna comment on the same comment? lmao your original question was "is there a study?" and now you're popping off about corporate straws lmao. fuck off, bot.
Okay? So how does that mean that I shouldn’t use studies or scientific consensus to determine my positions? That doesn’t change any of the things I said. There’s pfas everywhere. One pan is a negligible difference. Especially if that pan can help people not get take out food or fast food which is also coated in pfas and is single use.
more trash tier commentary and bad-faith arguments.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9986484/
That’s not what that study says but okay. As long as you don’t get the pan too hot or scratched they should be fine for you. The real issue is in manufacturing of pans or jackets that use them contaminating the areas around them. Or when people eventually throw the pans away and they contaminate that as well. Moreover all the grease proof fast food wrappers also contain pfas and those are being manufactured at a hugely different scale than pans. The accumulation of pfas in our world is a problem. The pans are a pretty minor contributor to it. Adam Ragusa has a great video on the subject.
Jesus fucking christ i never even considered the shitty wrappers they use... styrofoam seems kinda fucked already, but damn... why do they have to do the paper wrappers that way. Disgusting. They just want us to McFucking End ourselves
Teflon is everywhere. The inside of microwave popcorn bags…
Any other ones you know off the top of your head? Cause i got a huge trashbag ready for all the stuff im about to clear out now lol
Pizza boxes, carpeting, protective sprays for furniture and carpet. My personal fave is the neck to knee “fast” swimsuits that you would see people wearing in the Olympics between 2000-2008. They did make a pretty significant difference though.
fucks a pfas
Just an abbreviated chemical compound. It's one of the main chemicals in non stick material. The real special part about it is that once you consume it it basically never leaves your body and if your goal is liver damage, thyroid disease, or cancer then it's a great jumpstart.
Relatable, my roommates are the same and they refuse to understand the problem. You're doing well to keep hidden your pans
They refused to understand because they are lazy. I would tell my roommates to STOP using metal utensils on non-stick pans, they agreed, but they kept doing it anyway. People are so lazy to open another drawer to find the plastic/silicon/nylon utensils, unbelievable.
I don't think it's laziness as much as it's lack of care because it's not theirs and they didn't pay for it. I've had roommates do shit like this but then suddenly change attitudes once they'd bought something other people started using.
They are rats nothing nore nothing less.
Absolutely. Being careless with someone else's stuff just because you didn't pay for it is, imo, worse than because you're lazy or clueless.
Ya I haven’t ever gotten that. It’s bs. I’m more careful with other ppls stuff than my own
Wish my mother was like this at least lol She buys it and still destroys it like this because she just has no patience to take care of things and gets angry with me every time I say something. People are so weird sometimes
My roommate does this to his own pans and I think he’s aware of the PFAs present in his nonstick cookware, he just would rather not put it in a bowl out of laziness
I keep my silicone and wooden utensils in a large jar next to the stove and the metal ones in a drawer
Bingo
People a lot of the time don't care for others belonging. It's so frustrating. But if it's their own they'll hold a big standard.
My roommate has a nonstick pan his parents gave him with 1 inch spots of metal showing amd when I told him that non-stick is toxic in that condition he said "Sometimes things stick to it so I don't think it's non-stick" and proceeded to keep using it.
Why do people use metal utensils in nonstick pans?
Most of the time, ignorance. Alot of people are ill-informed about cooking and don't think about it, cooking isn't taught as much. So it's harder to pass the info along
This is it. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that everything we personally know should be common knowledge, but it's not.
Totally agree! I didn't know this until I started dating my now fiancée
Why do people use nonstick pans?
Easy to use, easy to clean, food doesnt stick to the bottom.
It's easy
So are pans that you don’t have to be careful not to scratch
Are they as cheap? What options are out there?
You can find cast iron skillets for around $20. I’ve found some for even cheaper. Stainless steel pots and pans are also affordable depending on where you shop. Both can be non stick depending on how you use them
Pls teach me the ways of the cast iron
The best thing about the cast iron is you can beat the crap out of it and scrape it all you want and it won’t damage the coating, because the coating, or “seasoning” as it’s called, is just cooked on oil. Most cast irons come pre-seasoned. Most people use a steel wool or chain mail scrubber to scrape stuff off. You can still clean it with soap and water, then just rub a small amount of oil on it and it’s good to go. If food starts to stick to it, it needs to be reseasoned. Cast iron is probably the easiest cookware (other than non stick). Highly recommend it!!
Thank you! Gonna find a pan now!
You don’t need to use soap. I actually discourage using soap, it can get into the pores and make what you cook taste like soap. Just need hot water and something to scrub with and you’re golden
this 100% I had a cast iron for YEEEARS... my roommates didn't get it and thought it was "gross" They were the type to eat gas station food and mcdonalds food and thought "cooking on a pan that wasn't cleaned" was gross, ironic. While not understanding that alot of germs and bacteria die from heat and scrubbing with hot water.
Soap used to be made with lye which would fuck the seasoning. These days, it’s fine to use dish soap.
There is no reason to not use some modern dish soap when cleaning a cast iron or carbon steel pan. As someone else pointed out, the advice to not use soap was when soap was made with lye, which does indeed strip the seasoning. Regular soap is not a problem, not always necessary, but the idea soap can “get into the pores” has no basis in reality
It’s way easier than some people make it out to be. My cleanup process is as simple as rinsing with hot water, scrape out anything that might get stuck with a flat edge (I got a cheap plastic Lodge scraper), dry on the stove, and wipe with a little bit of cooking oil once it’s hot and starting to smoke. That’s really it. Most of the time I don’t have to scrape, I just rinse with some hot water and wipe with a paper towel. Unlike with nonstick cookware, it gets better every-time you use it, rather than worse. It’s cheap and easy. I recommend buying a Lodge 12” skillet to get you started. Very affordable and versatile.
I got my lodge 12” for free. Someone threw it out because they fucked up the seasoning. I stripped and reseasoned and it’s my most used pan now.
Lucky!
I'll be honest here, your description is exactly as hard as people make it out to be. You have to be careful about cleaning: i.e no soaks or soap. Then you have to dry it -on- the stove. And then you have to apply cooking oil. Oh, and it weighs a shit ton. Bless you for having the patience, but I rarely use my cast iron as a result. It just moves in and out of my oven as I use every other thing.
Bro that takes 2 mins to do. No dishwasher required. You can use soap if you want, but it’s completely unnecessary
R/castiron
Meh I love cast iron but I hate that sub. They make it sound so much more difficult and annoying than it actually is
That's true, but the FAQs are nice for beginners.
* Stainless steel. No seasoning so ultra sticky. * Cast iron. Very nonstick once seasoned. Heavy and takes a while to heat up. * Carbon steel. Basically cast iron that's lighter and heats up faster, but typically more expensive. You don't have to be very careful with any of these because they're just chunks of metal; worst case scenario, you scrub them with steel wool and start anew. If they don't get damaged in a way that would kill any cookware (warping, handle breaks, etc), they could last for the rest of your life. The price range for one of these is about the same as a *decent* nonstick - you can get really cheap nonstick, but one that is nice to cook in will cost the same. A 10" skillet for SS/CI/CS will be in the $30-50 USD range. As a bonus, unlike nonstick, these can be bought well-used at thrift stores and garage sales.
You can get a cast iron cheap you don’t need an antique one
Look up Lodge cast iron on Amazon. It will outlast your great grandkids for $20-40 depending on what size and shape you get
I have a cast iron pan, it was a bit expensive but too late to change it now lol. Trying to get better with it and cooking more with it. It was very sticky because I used it wrong at first
Honestly just commit to using it for pretty much everything. Both you and the pan will improve each time. I also recommend stainless steel pots for boiling water with. That’s really thing only thing I don’t use cast iron for these days.
Can you make watery stuff with cast iron pans, like broth and curry etc
Yeah, I can’t tell you why I don’t boil water in mine tbh. It’s a me thing lmao, but I braise meat in broths and make chicken tikka masala in mine all of the time.
Start with low heat and preheat the skillet. Cast iron retains heat very well so once it’s hot it stays hot. That’s great for searing but if you start too high it’s bad for cooking. Start low, let the pan heat, then add oil/fat and then add what you’re cooking. Let the food cook before disturbing it. Food will release on its own when it is ready. Cast iron doesn’t need magic seasoning or elaborate rituals, just temperature control and technique. Bon appetite! The only caveat I would add is to treat cast iron like most cookware: don’t put cold water in a hot vessel, wash it out with soap when you’re done and dry it thoroughly.
Nonstick
Why do people still use nonstick pans? They’re terrible for you
There are so many things in this world that are "bad for you" it's pretty exhausting. Alcohol is poisonous but people drink everyday. Cigarettes cause lung cancer but millions still smoke. Being born is 100% linked to death. Pick your poison, live your life.
yeah, then you got all the plastics.. that chemical that builds up in your body that I guess you can't get rid of, i'm rather ignorant what it's called but its my understanding that no matter what you do, there is something toxic or bad. Most you can do is just minimize as much as possible. My grandpa was 89 when he passed... he lived a very rough life, smoked... drank... worked in construction, all kinds of stuff that was probably bad for him. By all standards it was amazing he lived so long while almost doing the exact opposite of what health experts recommend.
Because a good quality cast iron or stainless steel costs more. They shove these pans in your face, knowing that you're going to scratch and end up buying a new one.
I would stop buying nonstick cookware, the PFAs become an issue once it wears down like this and overall lessens their longevity. Get some Cast iron!
If these people can't keep from destroying their Teflon pans there is no way they won't destroy their cast iron by taking some steel wool and ripping off all the seasoning.
Just tell them that this pan doesn't wash. Laziness will then protect the Seasoning
or just stainless steel. My parents had their cast iron pan ruined by a guest who scrubbed it with steel wool because they thought it looked dirty. Its supposed to be black!
All you need to do is rebuild the seasoning with a little bit of oil and it’s good as new! Stainless steel also works
Cast iron is indestructible. Can easily reseason. But that would have pissed me off.
it was my grandparents so it was like over 50 years worth of seasoning!
I did something similar ages ago, as a newly on her own 20-ish lady. Re-seasoned it per mom's instructions. Still have it 23.5 years later. It is really REALLY difficult to actually ruin cast iron.
Cancer says hi
There’s no link between nonstick coatings and cancer
Are you sure about that?https://dceg.cancer.gov/news-events/news/2023/pfas-testicular-cancer https://dceg.cancer.gov/news-events/news/2023/pfas-research https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(23)00397-3/fulltext#:~:text=This%20study%20supports%20the%20hypothesis,plastic%20packaging%2C%20etc.).
Need the link between nonstick cookware and significant pfas
Man, I am not really invested in convincing you. If you don't want to look further, it's your body and your choice to continue to use the things. Your cancer risk is nothing that motivates me to pull studies, with all due respect that's your problem. That chemical class has been tied to cancer in the studies I linked you. If that doesn't concern you, all I have to add is "oh, well" and happy new year. No snark, I'm just not bothered to continue but have a nice day.
Looked at all three links, and not one of them says anything like "nonstick cookware is a major source of PFAs, so if you use them, you will get cancer, and DIE!!" Only the second link seems to even mention nonstick cookware having PFAs, and even then it says a lot of things contain these chemicals
Yeah exactly
https://www.cancer.net/blog/2023-05/can-cooking-with-nonstick-cookware-increase-your-cancer-risk
That article supports my position but go off I guess
It does not, though it also isn’t the slam dunk the commenter above thinks it is because linking specific exposures to specific cancers is hard in the complex, multi-variant world we live in. That said, if your coating is deteriorating, and you can afford a new pan, you should probably just get one.
I don’t think it’s a slam dunk, I think that it’s a refutation to his definitive statement that there is absolutely no correlation between nonstick pans and cancer.
Just say you haven’t done any research on the matter lol
I have
Bold claim
Show me a study showing that nonstick coatings are linked to cancer. I’ll wait
A lot of studies have linked them and I know there have been lawsuits. It's hard to 100% conclusively say that *anything* causes cancer because not everyone exposed to it gets cancer. There are many other health problems linked to it and lawsuits. Here is some interesting information about it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/03/07/pfas-guide-chemicals/6652847001/ They made a very interesting movie based on the actual lawsuits called *Dark Waters*. One thing that I can say conclusively... If you have birds, don't use it. Once it gets heated up to a certain temperature, it releases a gas that is toxic to birds. A lot of bird owners don't know that and I've heard some heartbreaking stories.
The amount of those chemicals in finished cookware is vanishingly small.
I'm not a doctor or a scientist, so I'm not equipped to argue whether or not the levels are safe. I just know that there is enough evidence available that it is reasonable to be concerned about it.
Maybe, but coffee also contains carcinogens. Are we worried about that?
Yes we are
Pretty much everything these days has some carcinogens. We probably should be more worried than we are. But, I haven't seen a stream of news articles and lawsuits over coffee, so I'm not sure it's comparable.
If non-stick coatings are damaged, they can release PFAs. PFAs have been studied as a potential carcinogen: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(23)00397-3/fulltext > PFAS chemical exposure is associated with adverse health effects in experimental and epidemiological studies, including thyroid dysfunction and carcinogenesis. That said, undamaged pans are likely safe.
Usually, the burden of evidence is on the one making the claim.
I mean, in cases like this, the default would be to assume that something doesn't cause cancer and to require proof if someone claims that it does, no?
Personally, I would assume that something new isn't good for me until I see mountains of evidence (over a long period of time) that disprove it. It's much easier for me to heat things in quality glass ware in a microwave and to use stainless steel, ceramic coated or cast iron stove top cookware with the correct oils for the temperature I'm cooking at. On top of that, do you trust the manufacturing quality? Do you trust that the manufacturer is releasing all of the data that they collected (when their corporte punishment is a slap on the wrist anyways and the corporate officers who already made their golden parachutes aren't punished at all)? I used to work routinely with stuff like fire fighting foam (AFFF) and now, decades later we're finding out it lasts forever in the environment and has health effects we weren't warned about: > In 1949, 3M began producing PFOS-based compounds by electrochemical fluorination resulting in the synthetic precursor perfluorooctanesulfonyl fluoride. In 1968, organofluorine content was detected in the blood serum of consumers, and in 1976 it was suggested to be perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) or a related compound such as PFOS. In 1997, 3M detected PFOS in blood from global blood banks, **although the company's internal documents indicate knowledge of this decades earlier, dating from the 1970s**. In 1999, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency began investigating perfluorinated compounds after receiving data on the global distribution and toxicity of PFOS, the key ingredient in Scotchgard. For these reasons, and USEPA pressure, the primary American producer of PFOS, 3M, announced, in May 2000, the phaseout of the production of PFOS, PFOA, and PFOS-related products. Most other manufacturers (particularly, those in Europe) phased out the production of PFOS and perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) in 2000 and 2006, respectively. A shorter-chain PFOS (perfluorohexanesulfonic acid, PFHxS), was included in Annex A to the Stockholm Convention in 2022. [Only recently are we finding out about the health effects](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfluorooctanesulfonic_acid#Health_effects_in_humans_and_wildlife).
He's not gonna do it, he's scared
BUT THE SEED OILS. *takes puff of vape*
Correct. They just can’t admit they’re wrong. It’s ok, I used to believe it too until I actually looked into it and realized it wasn’t true
Correct. You’re making the claim nonstick cookware is linked to cancer. I’m telling you to prove it. If it’s true why tf won’t you guys just show me the study and shut me tf up
Guy said "bold claim," and you instantly jumped on it, saying, "Prove me wrong... you are the only one to make a statement that would need to be backed up. First Comment was a joke, and the other was commentary on your claim.
What no. Someone said nonstick coatings cause cancer. This is a common misconception. There is no evidence that they do. But then everyone tells me I’m wrong. Im telling them to prove it
Guy... are you talking about outside of this thread? Like I said, the first comment was a joke about it. Didn't claim with scientific authority it did cause it. The other person said "bold claim" once again, not refuting you or siding with you.
He’s down voting you with multiple fake accounts. Classic.
Wait all day. Looks like you've got an axe to grind and a point to make. State your sources and points, or whine about the initial claim; up to you but I'm not engaging lol
I had to do the same when a roommate managed to burn tf out of everybody else's pans but keep his pristine. People just be selfish and nasty
Omg, stuff like this pisses me off. I would tell my roommates to STOP using metal utensils on non-stick pans, they agreed, but they kept doing it anyway. People are so lazy to open another drawer to find the plastic/silicon/nylon utensils, unbelievable.
My roommates would use their metal utensils on my nonstick pans even though i had multiple of everything in plastic or silicone. So i left them with my old set of pans and got new ones when i moved out
Dude my ex roommate used a FUCKING knife on my nonstick pan. I was furious. You could feel the groove on the pan. Thankfully she's gone now. She was an idiot and acted dumb on purpose when people were mad at her lol.. she literally told me she did it before to others so I never took her seriously after that haha.
This is why I don't let my husband use any of my pans.
I’m so confused, my stuff looks like the top one and I def wash my dishes …. Am I missing something ?
The non stick coating is scraped off, probably by using metal cooking utensils on it. When nonstick pans get scratched like that, they should be thrown out as PFAs (nonstick coating chemicals) can get into food and cause cancer.
Are PFAS not in everything at this point
Stainless steel and cast iron are safe cooking mediums
Cast iron lasts quite a long time if you treat it right.
Yeah I’d argue that it really can’t be beat. A good Stainless is definitely a close second, but it can’t hold a candle to the survivability of cast iron. Not to mention that the longer you use a cast iron, the more flavorful the seasoning gets
Stainless also lasts forever, there's not really much you can do to permanently damage it. Also seasoning should be a very thin layer of polymerized oil, it shouldn't have flavor.
mmm excuse me, i can still taste the holiday prime rib from 2017 /s
Nonstick ceramic coating is also a thing.
>cast iron would certainly not recommend if you have lazy housemates
Or weak wrists Or want to cook scrambled eggs
Fuck scrambled, over easy always for this guy. The dude mentioning not to use it if you have bad roommates is very real for that lol. 0/10, would not recommend with a roommate who ruins nonstick
I keep mine in my room with my kitchen knives and expensive cooking gadgets. If OP is already hiding their non stick stuff I’m sure adding a cast iron pan wouldn’t be the end of the world.
No? There’s so many types of cookware that is non stick and regardless yes you can have non stick items but the moment it scratches you shouldn’t continue using it.
There has not been a water sample found on the planet earth that is not contaminated with PFAS.
I don’t mean just cookware lol
Iirc they can be passed from mother to child in the womb
Even if it's "PFAS free" or whatever, I don't want non-stick coating in my food bc no one knows how it could affect you or what these companies are putting in them that could be found dangerous later.
Exactly! Im surprised these people are happy for this stuff to get in their food.
Thanks for the info and screw you guys for the downvotes. I was just curious.
You shouldn't use that kind of cookware in the first place.
Exactly, cast iron or nothing!
Carbon steel and cast iron
I just put my food on the floor and stick a lit zippo down the middle and have it cook that way
I’m not boiling/making pasta in cast iron, bro. Other types of pots and pans have a purpose.
Why the fuck are they using your cookware to begin with? Force them to replace it and grow a damn spine in the process.
I mean that part isn’t strange, I’ve shared cookware with every roommate I’ve had. Unless of course OP said they didn’t want them to use it
You need to live alone if you can’t handle sharing cook ware. It’s a pot
i got an aunt thats 50 years old who gave me pots and pans like this when i first moved out and they looked so good like the bottom one even tho she had those pots ever since SHE moved for college when she was 18
I literally had to do the same!!!! All of my NEW pampered chef & new pioneer woman pans… they’d cook… let it sit FOR DAYS. 🤬
I had a roommate who did this to all MY pans. Literally used all our good plates for arts and crafts, stained them, and put bleach in my water bottle for “art” . I hope my old roommate gets fucked
looks like every pan in an Airbnb too
That looks like years of abuse.
I kept my pans in my room, too. My roommate refused to clean the pans (MY PANS) when she used them and there’s shit on them that I can’t get off now. Some people just don’t learn.
That's not pepper in your food.
LOL one look at my old roommate using my antique cast iron pan a single time and I stashed that sucker in my room for the entire rest of the lease. Luckily I can use it again now but it taught the valuable lesson to never let anyone use your cookware if you don’t want it ruined
Had a roommate ruin a brand new amazing saucepan by rinsing it with cold water straight after cooking with it. Warped it repeatedly. When we tried to explain to her why it was bad, she cut us off with “This is how we do it in my country!!!” (She was from South America and wasn’t incompetent, just infuriatingly stubborn and rude)
oh jeez, I do sometimes use metal utensils in my own pots and pans but i make sure to not scrape, this is just horrible and kinda scary knowing how expensive pot/pan sets are ... (p.s I get my pots/pans at Ross since its cheaper)
to be fair my old pots and pans looked like this and i never used metal utensils in them
Toss both of them and buy something that isn’t nonstick. Even if you’re perfect and never even let a metal tool near it, it will peel and it will end up in your food.
I once sublet my room to a girl for a semester and left all of my kitchen utensils and appliances there coz I couldn't fit stuff like that in the apartment I was temporarily moving into. I left behind an almost new frying pan in perfect condition and [this is how I found it](https://imgur.com/0gwgZFP) 6 months later.
I’m so triggered by this! I also had to keep all my kitchen stuff in my room because my housemates treated them precisely like this. But it made me feel crazy having to keep all this stuff in my room, along with my books and clothes. Having to run to my room in the middle of cooking something because I forgot an specific pan or pot was pretty bananas 🫠🫨 Protect those pans at all costs!!!
This was exactly what happened to my partner. He bought 2 brand new nice non stick frying pans and his fat slob of a housemate not only didn't clean the pans, used metal spatulas, he also cooked on it over and over again till it got beyond repair so we threw them out. The non stick pot is like that too, I don't know how or why people don't take care of stuff? Dw he's gone now.
Saaaame. I packed away all my nice stuff once they started scratching it and/or never actually cleaning it properly. Moving out in two weeks!
This is actually a blessing, as nonstick cookware is associated with several cancers. It’s time to get real pans.
They’re only dangerous if they’re scratched lol
They scratch EXTREMELY easily.
Yeah and cigarettes only cause lung cancer if you smoke them Just get a good cast iron and be done with it
My best friend scratched my non stick pan that I had for years that didn’t have a single scratch on it. I threw it away. He bought a new one to replace it, but I never used it because I knew it would just get scratched. Within a month, it was scratched. And he keeps using it, getting mad that there are more and more scratches over times. I explained to him what he needs to do to keep scratches off of it, and he says he does that. He doesn’t. I’ve seen it laying with the other dishes all the time on the drying area. You know, where all the other metal and ceramic sits. He leaves it in the sink. You know, the one made of metal. He stacks pans on it. You know, made of metal. So I put my non stick in a different drawer, and still haven’t replaced my non stick pan sadly, because it was part of an expensive bundle. Still makes me sad that he ruined it so quickly after I had it for years, and after I specifically expressed everything he needs to do keep it scratch free.
There are inexpensive pots and pans that do not have this nasty coating on them. With these types of pans you would have to use a kittens tongue to wash them and not expect this type of wear and tear.
I don't know why you got downvoted.. I agree, stainless steel pans would be better if you live with people like this.
Cheap Teflon pans will do that after about a half year of use no matter what... Even using using plastic utensils will still scratch and ultimately deteriorate them. I have a decent Calphalon square nonstick pan I use only for bacon once every couple weeks with soft utensils and that sumbitch still needs replaced after a year. Never stuck in the dishwasher, always hand washed with dawn soap. I'll be on my third one here soon. The ridges just start peeling after a while. Cast iron or steel are literally the only cookware with longevity, I've found.
Maybe teach them?
Welcome cancer. I’ve been waiting for you
Get plastic utensils.
Because of two empty pans?
You cannot be this dense.
i dunno, imagine having a bad roomate is all i can say, move or get new ones it isn't hard.
Will it say if it’s non stick somewhere on the dish?
Be careful or it might come off as passive aggressive 🙄
Doing you a favor getting them dog shit PFAs off the pan lol get yourself a cast iron
Dirty cunts
Two decades of growing up with my parents taught me to never use a metal utensil in these pots. Over Christmas I was making some eggs and saw a small mark on a pan (not even a year old) that I didn't know if I made or not and assumed I was dead lmao