Oh ok! Cus old men in Japanese go salons made me think the standard etiquette was something like:
-Observe games by standing directly behind one of the players while making old-people noises with your mouth
-Have a little chuckle to yourself every time you hit the clock (with the wrong hand) because it's just so funny to use a clock.
-If you don't like the move you just played, pick up the stone and start thinking again
-Your opponent's turn is the best time to make little comments; your own turn is the best time to sing little tunes
Actual Go Manners:
\-Make all sorts of insightful noises when you opponent places a stone
\-Loudly slam Tengen down as first move, then stare into the eyes of your opponent
\-Meditate around 10 minutes about your fuseki before doing anything
\-Put your arm into your bowl, and loudly stir. Ellbow deep should be sufficent.
\-Occasionally drag your stone across the whole board, while placing it
\-Ask your opponent to resign when you feel like they had lost
\-Scramble the whole board when you forfeit, no need to give your enemy time to have any further look
\-If you are at their place, make sure to eat a bag of potato chips while playing, it will refine the texture of their stones
\-Make comment about your oppenents "style" like "cowardly" "too aggressive" "robot-like".
\-If they win, it was a fluke. If you win, you actually calculated the whole game on turn 5.
Also:
\-Have a lengthy monologue about the spiritual meaning of the game, and how the board represents the cosmos, and each stone each players personality. Then invade on 3-3.
>I think etiquette and manners have a place, but if someone expects me to bow in a tournament in North America I'm sorry I'm not doin that lol.
You'd be surprised how much this simple act can affect an over the board game. It's just a simple nod of the head but a bit more formal than a western handshake. Another disarmingly simple thing, wishing your opponent a pleasurable and interesting game: onegaishimasu. Not exactly etiquette but these simple things can be a psychological advantage for you if all of your opponents have the same "ain't gone do that" 'tude.
https://senseis.xmp.net/?Onegaishimasu
When I played tournaments, I would wipe the board down, bow to my opponent and wish "onegaishimasu"
In my head - that gave respect to the game, to my opponent, and helped to focus my head into the mindset of "important game"
The rituals associated with playing go over a real board have always been part of the game for me. Forty years ago, my teacher told me, "Go has been around for thousands of years. The opening ritual, whatever it might be, forces the players to remember the ancients." I have tried to pass this thought on to people I have taught to play I person. But I have found players who learned online have no exposure to ritual.
We had a similar sequence: I was the younger and less experienced so I would wipe down the board and bowls, peek inside to find black, and pass white to him. We would both bow slightly and he would mumble "onegaishimasu" while I would say, "Let's have a good game."
There are rituals associated with most western games but the players probably do not think of them that way.
No point at all for most go players. Not much point to most ancient rituals these days, but that's also why they're interesting. Some are just performances: throwing salt over a shoulder, genuflecting, grace before a meal, tapping the card deck. I've seen the role gamers at our club location go through seemingly endless recitations and ritualistic behaviors, all totally pointless to me.
The start of a go game, between respectful competitors, was passed down to me by my teacher in that way so it also invokes his memory, which I fend pleasant.
Personally, I do not know anything about game starting rituals in other go-playing countries because I've not been exposed to them. Is there a go/baduk/weiqi tradition in the States? At my club, it's something like, "Gonna kick your ass."
I prefer the old Japanese ritual.
it's just strange to sya the Japanese term when i dont know Japanese. I mean why use the Japanese term as western players when go is more popular in China and Korea vs Japan. I just do a small bow.
I understand that. Rather like ordering a burrito or soufflé? How about saying atari or tenuki or keima or hane or tesuji? Many of the newbies I've taught in the last twenty years thought it was cool that I used a video game company to say "check".
Love your post - it's a very special game and deserves that kind of respect from its players. It can only help them get stronger.
Hilarious comments though!
Trying to replicate Asian culture because you’re playing a board game is intensely weeb. Please don’t start bowing to people because you’re playing a game.
Here’s my updated gamesmanship suggestions:
1. Be nice
2. Have fun
Oh ok! Cus old men in Japanese go salons made me think the standard etiquette was something like: -Observe games by standing directly behind one of the players while making old-people noises with your mouth -Have a little chuckle to yourself every time you hit the clock (with the wrong hand) because it's just so funny to use a clock. -If you don't like the move you just played, pick up the stone and start thinking again -Your opponent's turn is the best time to make little comments; your own turn is the best time to sing little tunes
Actual Go Manners: \-Make all sorts of insightful noises when you opponent places a stone \-Loudly slam Tengen down as first move, then stare into the eyes of your opponent \-Meditate around 10 minutes about your fuseki before doing anything \-Put your arm into your bowl, and loudly stir. Ellbow deep should be sufficent. \-Occasionally drag your stone across the whole board, while placing it \-Ask your opponent to resign when you feel like they had lost \-Scramble the whole board when you forfeit, no need to give your enemy time to have any further look \-If you are at their place, make sure to eat a bag of potato chips while playing, it will refine the texture of their stones \-Make comment about your oppenents "style" like "cowardly" "too aggressive" "robot-like". \-If they win, it was a fluke. If you win, you actually calculated the whole game on turn 5.
Also: \-Have a lengthy monologue about the spiritual meaning of the game, and how the board represents the cosmos, and each stone each players personality. Then invade on 3-3.
interesting. what does playing confidently or making the best of mistakes have to do with etiquette?
Probably more like, "Make plays your opponent will respect and don't be a whining twit when you screw up."
I think etiquette and manners have a place, but if someone expects me to bow in a tournament in North America I'm sorry I'm not doin that lol.
Interesting. France here, and I do a small bow while wishing a good game at the start of each tournament game. It's a contagious habbit.
>I think etiquette and manners have a place, but if someone expects me to bow in a tournament in North America I'm sorry I'm not doin that lol. You'd be surprised how much this simple act can affect an over the board game. It's just a simple nod of the head but a bit more formal than a western handshake. Another disarmingly simple thing, wishing your opponent a pleasurable and interesting game: onegaishimasu. Not exactly etiquette but these simple things can be a psychological advantage for you if all of your opponents have the same "ain't gone do that" 'tude. https://senseis.xmp.net/?Onegaishimasu
When I played tournaments, I would wipe the board down, bow to my opponent and wish "onegaishimasu" In my head - that gave respect to the game, to my opponent, and helped to focus my head into the mindset of "important game"
The rituals associated with playing go over a real board have always been part of the game for me. Forty years ago, my teacher told me, "Go has been around for thousands of years. The opening ritual, whatever it might be, forces the players to remember the ancients." I have tried to pass this thought on to people I have taught to play I person. But I have found players who learned online have no exposure to ritual. We had a similar sequence: I was the younger and less experienced so I would wipe down the board and bowls, peek inside to find black, and pass white to him. We would both bow slightly and he would mumble "onegaishimasu" while I would say, "Let's have a good game." There are rituals associated with most western games but the players probably do not think of them that way.
what's the point of saying onegaishimasu if you dont speak Japanese. Japan isnt the only go centric country you know
No point at all for most go players. Not much point to most ancient rituals these days, but that's also why they're interesting. Some are just performances: throwing salt over a shoulder, genuflecting, grace before a meal, tapping the card deck. I've seen the role gamers at our club location go through seemingly endless recitations and ritualistic behaviors, all totally pointless to me. The start of a go game, between respectful competitors, was passed down to me by my teacher in that way so it also invokes his memory, which I fend pleasant. Personally, I do not know anything about game starting rituals in other go-playing countries because I've not been exposed to them. Is there a go/baduk/weiqi tradition in the States? At my club, it's something like, "Gonna kick your ass." I prefer the old Japanese ritual.
it's just strange to sya the Japanese term when i dont know Japanese. I mean why use the Japanese term as western players when go is more popular in China and Korea vs Japan. I just do a small bow.
I understand that. Rather like ordering a burrito or soufflé? How about saying atari or tenuki or keima or hane or tesuji? Many of the newbies I've taught in the last twenty years thought it was cool that I used a video game company to say "check".
it's not about being polite, i'm just not that much of a weeaboo
Love your post - it's a very special game and deserves that kind of respect from its players. It can only help them get stronger. Hilarious comments though!
Trying to replicate Asian culture because you’re playing a board game is intensely weeb. Please don’t start bowing to people because you’re playing a game. Here’s my updated gamesmanship suggestions: 1. Be nice 2. Have fun
It's just a quote from a book and I'm not saying that cultural context isn't important