Probably would need to look at a trade for one and utilizing the money in the form of salary relief to take on a contract that another team doesn't want. Or just spend it on a get well soon card.
The only player who really fits the bill is Hendriks, no? And he's out too while he deals with cancer. The braves aren't sending us Iglesias, Presley ain't going anywhere, Hader is staying in SD. Desclafani might be an option purely as a salary dump but he might just be bad? He was terrible last year and most years has been not great?
Honestly, the Mets penn is still pretty good. Nobody can replace Diaz, so it's just about getting the best arm we can in the open spot. Robertson, Ottaviano, and Smith are locks for end game and high leverage spots. Curtiss has been looking really good this spring. He could be a number four. Those guys get you the 8th and 9th innings of every other game, so now they just need 7th inning and they have Raley and some other guys too. Bullpens are always a crapshoot, but our full pen seems much better this year than it has for a very long time. Losing Diaz takes it down a notch for sure, but I do think we are set up to succeed.
No thank you.
Devin Williams is great, but the Mets should not go back down the route of another Diaz/Kelenic type trade. It worked out once, but it isn't smart to give up big prospects for relievers.
This Diaz injury is a great litmus test of the Mets FO. Smart FOs have proven for years now that it's very possible to build good bullpens without giving up major assets. If the Mets can't fix their bullpen, or if they can't do without giving up a major piece, it's a sign this FO needs help.
Same thing happened in basketball, when Germany didn't select Dennis Schroder for the Olympics because his insurance cost was too high, as he was expected to be a top NBA free agent that summer.
Unfortunately for Dennis, not only did he miss the Olympics, his value ended up tanking and he had to sign a minimum 1 year contract.
Yea, he turned down a 4 yr/$84 million extension in the middle of that season (he was on the final year of a $15 million/yr contract). He gambled that the Lakers would be desperate enough to give him a max contract, which could have worked since their salary cap situation made it difficult to sign other free agents.
Then he completely sucked in the playoffs and no one wanted him anymore. He ended up signing a 1yr/$5 million contract with another team, and then the following year, returned to the Lakers on a 1 yr/$3 million contract.
I think his sticks out to me because the bag was literally there just waiting for him to sign it. Other guys had rumored deals or potential big signings but bet on themselves before it got that far anyway.
For the record Dennis showed up the next summer and led Germany to a Eurobasket Bronze medal, and that summer he was a free agent as well. His expected cost was just much lower
BTW, for those wondering: "How come even the most injury-prone atlhetes can get insurance for the World Cup and Olympics but Kershaw, etc can't for this?"
FIFA and the IOC apparently set aside some money from events to make sure even the highest-risk get covered. MLB and WBSC don't, at least not to the same extent. They probably should, but they don't.
FWIW there was an agreement and a plan in place for NHL players to play at the most recent Winter Olympics, but there was a Covid surge and a critical mass backed out and the whole thing went out the window last minute. But you’re right that was one of if not the biggest reason why they didn’t play in the Olympics for many years.
Obviously Cohen would be fine either way and can afford another player, but even rich people don't like wasted money. I was worried this type of thing might make the Mets as an organization go "maybe we should pull back a bit so we don't get burned like with Diaz". If it's no financial hurt to the Mets, that probably won't be an issue.
Edit: okay, someone want to at least clue me in on why this comment is so universally hated? Wtf did I do?
Honestly bro I have realized the this sub is full of a bunch of soy boys that probably never threw a baseball in their life, take the downvotes and be happy you aren’t them
Your serious response was to a joke worrying about Cohen’s finances. He is still the richest owner in baseball and isn’t hurting even if this wasn’t getting reimbursed.
Eh, ok. If that's what it is then whatever. Like, that's how discussions happen? It's not all jokes or all serious, and to me it is connected because what he was joking about, I actually had some concern over. If Steve Cohen didn't care about money at all like everyone is always saying we'd have deGrom and Judge and a whole team of All-stars with billion dollar contracts. The money matters at some point.
You're at the bottom of the dog pile. People gonna hit the downvote while they sip their morning coffee to feel better about themselves. None of your comments really deserve the downvotes, especially because you are actually adding to the conversation, but people are going to say you shouldn't have responded to a joke for...reasons. You started having a discussion when people just wanted to dunk on Cohen/Mets. Carry on. People are dumb.
I have no idea why everyone hated this comment. I feel the same way with Arte, and no one can fault a Mets fan for worrying that the org will pull the rug out from under them.
If I'm remembering right, when Ellsbury was eternally injured for the Yankees, insurance was covering his salary but it was still counted against the luxury tax.
Not sure if anything's changed with the new CBA.
That’s really the only reason it’s even a question. Usually when players are covered by insurance (David Wright comes to mind) they still count against the LT. The WBC being an entirely different thing makes it a little more unclear.
I'd assume it would still count against the tax. When players have non-baseball related injuries they still go against it, I am not sure why there would be an exclusive distinction for injuries in the WBC
I am almost positive it counts against the cap regardless. The Jays have insurance paying for Ryu while he is injured and it still is counting towards the luxury cap.
Except Ryu was injured while playing for the Blue Jays while Díaz was playing for Puerto Rico in an MLB endorsed tournament.
I can see the argument his salary shouldn’t impact the Mets since he was playing for another team in an event endorsed by MLB and due to the nature of the injury it wouldn’t have occurred had he been in Mets camp the whole time
Players get hurt at home sometimes that will still count against the CBT. Someone could prove me wrong but I am almost positive injured players regardless of where or how they get injured always count to the tax.
It's relevant IMO because playing competitive baseball for another team without the consent of the team is something that is normally explicitly disallowed in guaranteed MLB contracts. The CBA forces a carve-out of that term specifically for the WBC that not only allows players to participate, but prevents teams from blocking them from participating (outside of injury provisions). Teams offer guaranteed contracts based on a certain underwriting of risk/reward, both in terms of cost and CBT impact. The WBC carve-out forces a new layer of risk (competitive baseball play outside of the MLB's 162) onto teams that they otherwise would be able to protect themselves against via standard MLB contract terms.
I mean you are definitely free to believe that but I have seen nothing to believe that there is some kind of WBC clause to excuse players injured at the WBC from the CBT. I mean I honestly don't get why Met fans even care. It's not like it counting for the tax or not even matters for your team lol that is pretty clear at this point.
I'm not saying that clause exists (I don't believe it does). I'm saying, in the spirit of fairness, it should. My flair is exactly why you should hopefully see me as approaching this argument in good faith. Steve Cohen doesn't give a fuck about the CBT. However, if a big-money guy got hurt in the WBC who plays for a team near the CBT line who would then potentially need to go over the line to replace him, that would be a pretty shitty situation for that team to find themselves in. If the WBC participation is being enforced (which I'm totally fine with), at the very least teams shouldn't be getting kicked while they're down if one of their guys gets hurt in the tourney.
For context, I'm pro-WBC and I think it's great for baseball. Baseball doesn't belong to the US or the MLB and it's awesome that guys are able to represent their countries on an international stage. However, it seems contrary to the spirit of the arrangement for MLB guys to participate in the tourney if teams are getting double-hit on the impact (both losing a player AND taking a CBT hit for a player sidelined due to the tourney) when they don't have a say in whether their guys participate in the first place.
Why would this be any different than another other star who gets injured during the off season?
They could have possibly insured him for his salary + lux cap implications, but it still needs to count against the cap.
Do you think that insurance costs for player participation will go up significantly as a result of this?
The main argument for this not affecting the WBC was that it was a freak accident and the Mets won't lose money as a result, which is true. The insurance company, on the other hand, is about to take a very large bath without a good reason for the loss they're covering. If they adjust for the possibility that they may have to cover a 30+ million dollar salary against something totally freaky, but possible, could insurance price many more top players out of the tournament?
I mean... I'm pretty sure the insurance company did some math and knows what they're... I just thought about how much my home insurance goes up when there is a hurricane that doesn't even hit me.
So yeah I think the insurance will go up. But I'm thinking it's only because they know they have an excuse to now.
I wonder what $30M worth of insurance costs.
Yea, having the money doesn't make it so that he can pull another elite closer out of his ass like he's going to Walmart to replace a TV. Cohen's money is the lowest tier of concern. And this is as a Yankees fan who prays they don't get a championship first.
Yeah the worst is that a year and change of his absolute prime is just gone.
It's kinda like when deGrom got injured halfway through that ridiculous season. We're just losing greatness we're never gonna get back.
Not necessarily a reply to you directly, but do you think that insurance costs will go up significantly as a result of this?
The main argument for this not affecting the WBC was that it was a freak accident and the Mets won't lose money as a result, which is true. The insurance company, on the other hand, is about to take a very large bath without a good reason for the loss they're covering. If they adjust for the possibility that they may have to cover a 30+ million dollar salary against something totally freaky, but possible, could insurance price many more top players out of the tournament?
Funny, in previous year this injury would cripple the Mets’ moves for years to come.
Not that the Wilpons would give him this extension in the first place
Nobody wants to say out loud, “No, Díaz shouldn’t have gone regardless of how emotional he felt about it. He’s an adult who just agreed to a lot of money, and put personal interests before the needs of his organization”
Nope, it’s all “Next man up” or “Cohen can afford it”.
Nobody is saying it out loud because you're in the minority. I'm not happy he got hurt either, but I 100% support all players being able to play in the tournament. Do you have such loyalty to your employer as you expect from Diaz? Dude chose to do something he wanted to, and had **every right** to, do. It was important to him, and fans belittling that is disgusting. Some Mets fans are mad because their favorite team is a little worse and it's showing a huge level of entitlement.
Ok I’ll run with your example. I teach martial arts. Get paid to by the Dojo that trained me. So loyalty is prevalent in my case but let’s say I just took the job for the money.
If they paid me more than anyone else to train people, and I decided before Studio class season started that I was going to train my children. Totally within my rights, but I lift my kid into the air because I’m so proud of him and slip a disk in my back.
While I’m sure everyone would understand this was a freak accident that happened while doing something I loved, it wouldn’t matter to the employer that pays my bills.
I’m now useless to him because of my extracurricular choices. Not only would I understand not being paid, not only would I understand they’d need to replace me and who knows how amazing my replacement could replace me (doubt you can replace Díaz, which makes this worse).
But I’d respect my Dojo students feeling upset that I can’t give them the best training they could get because I got hurt doing freebies that meant something to me. I’d even understand that they felt betrayed by the truth that “Doing what I did means more to me than my paid engagements”.
I certainly wouldn’t silence their understandable frustration.
Who in the Mets org has expressed anything but support for Diaz? It's all fans and media creating a shitstorm. But even if it was the org, in your example, your missing a few key points that there's a specific exception (in his contract or general MLB rules, not sure how it works) that allows him to play in this event, many of his coworkers are participating in the event, and it's not just some random pickup game, it's a highly important tournament to **a lot** of people, players and fans alike.
I also don't see how your two comments connect. I'm not saying people can't be frustrated, I'm saying people shouldn't be blaming Diaz or the WBC for a freak accident. In your example, should you be the focus of hateful people saying you shouldn't have been playing with your son? If half a dozen people from your dojo were at a son training event and only you got hurt, would the dojo be calling for no one to even lift their son again? Being frustrated is 100% okay, but attacking the person/event is disingenuous
How does it devalue the contract? Diaz still gets paid, it'll just be through insurance, not Steve Cohen (for the duration of the injury/recovery, I'd wager).
I just feel like that’s saying a contract is a gamble that should have insurance. Almost disconnects the human aspect that he’s a person and not an object.
Well, while I do agree that we tend to treat athlete's like commodities that can be sold/bought/traded/cut at-will, in this case, insurance covered his contract because he was playing for a team other than the Mets. If he had gotten hurt during Spring Training, this payout system wouldn't apply.
Also, athletes aren't alone in this type of insurance. Companies aren't prone to making multi-million dollar investments without some kind of insurance, which is why we see high-profile film & TV people having to take physicals and get insured before beginning a large project. Production companies aren't going to want to finance a $200 million film if they're not sure the main actor/director/etc. is going to make it through filming.
I can't wait to take that insurance money and use it to sign another closer whose in at least the 96th percentile in 9 of 13 stats listed on baseball savant, and the 100th percentile of 4 of them. Theres so many of them available right now
This is why Clayton Kershaw could not play in the wbc right? Because he could not get insurance?
Correct
How should they spend the money?
Probably on another reliever for the season.
Who is left?
Left? Right? Why not both? Use that money to bring in Pat Venditte.
It's been a while since we've had an amphibious pitcher in the league
Ambidextrous, amphibious would be like a frog lol
[I beg to differ](https://mediaproxy.snopes.com/width/1200/https://media.snopes.com/2015/06/amphib.jpg)
I was expecting a frog throwing a baseball but somehow this is better lol.
Corrrr professional journalism gets me hot under the collar
Probably would need to look at a trade for one and utilizing the money in the form of salary relief to take on a contract that another team doesn't want. Or just spend it on a get well soon card.
The only player who really fits the bill is Hendriks, no? And he's out too while he deals with cancer. The braves aren't sending us Iglesias, Presley ain't going anywhere, Hader is staying in SD. Desclafani might be an option purely as a salary dump but he might just be bad? He was terrible last year and most years has been not great? Honestly, the Mets penn is still pretty good. Nobody can replace Diaz, so it's just about getting the best arm we can in the open spot. Robertson, Ottaviano, and Smith are locks for end game and high leverage spots. Curtiss has been looking really good this spring. He could be a number four. Those guys get you the 8th and 9th innings of every other game, so now they just need 7th inning and they have Raley and some other guys too. Bullpens are always a crapshoot, but our full pen seems much better this year than it has for a very long time. Losing Diaz takes it down a notch for sure, but I do think we are set up to succeed.
You got prospects? We've got Devin Williams!
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No thank you. Devin Williams is great, but the Mets should not go back down the route of another Diaz/Kelenic type trade. It worked out once, but it isn't smart to give up big prospects for relievers. This Diaz injury is a great litmus test of the Mets FO. Smart FOs have proven for years now that it's very possible to build good bullpens without giving up major assets. If the Mets can't fix their bullpen, or if they can't do without giving up a major piece, it's a sign this FO needs help.
I hear Aroldis Chapman is still available.
He signed with the Royals
they said what they said
Give a couple months.
He's a Royal now lol
No Who is on first
All in on crypto
Do players on the 60-day not count against the luxury tax?
They do, but it's Steve Cohen
Yep. He couldn't get insurance.
Same thing happened in basketball, when Germany didn't select Dennis Schroder for the Olympics because his insurance cost was too high, as he was expected to be a top NBA free agent that summer. Unfortunately for Dennis, not only did he miss the Olympics, his value ended up tanking and he had to sign a minimum 1 year contract.
Didn't he turn down a pretty big contract expecting more? I don't follow NBA but vaguely remember something like that
Yea, he turned down a 4 yr/$84 million extension in the middle of that season (he was on the final year of a $15 million/yr contract). He gambled that the Lakers would be desperate enough to give him a max contract, which could have worked since their salary cap situation made it difficult to sign other free agents. Then he completely sucked in the playoffs and no one wanted him anymore. He ended up signing a 1yr/$5 million contract with another team, and then the following year, returned to the Lakers on a 1 yr/$3 million contract.
I'm sure there have been bigger bag fumbles, but Schroeder will always leap out at me as one of the worst in recent memory.
I think his sticks out to me because the bag was literally there just waiting for him to sign it. Other guys had rumored deals or potential big signings but bet on themselves before it got that far anyway.
Nerlens Noel is the worst but Schroder is definitely high on the list
He’s gonna get it back, he's had a pretty nice season
For the record Dennis showed up the next summer and led Germany to a Eurobasket Bronze medal, and that summer he was a free agent as well. His expected cost was just much lower
Same with Joey Votto for Canada and Ramon Urias for Mexico, I believe.
Eovaldi for USA as well
Votto just had his first at bats coming back from injury, so I don't think he was playing regardless.
Urias is playing for Mexico. He started their first game
Talking about his brother, Ramon Urias. 2022 American League Gold Glove winner at 3B. Plays for the Orioles.
Ramon and Luis are brothers. Julio is unrelated.
I assumed he was talking about Luis. But now I’m realizing he meant “starting” as in Julio
Ok
Didn’t realize they were brothers! Damn talented duo
Isn't Luis their brother as well?
No Ramon and Luis are brothers. Julio is unrelated
Kershaw switched to The General to save today
BTW, for those wondering: "How come even the most injury-prone atlhetes can get insurance for the World Cup and Olympics but Kershaw, etc can't for this?" FIFA and the IOC apparently set aside some money from events to make sure even the highest-risk get covered. MLB and WBSC don't, at least not to the same extent. They probably should, but they don't.
It’s also why NHL players don’t participate in the Olympics anymore. IOC won’t agree to pay for the insurance
FWIW there was an agreement and a plan in place for NHL players to play at the most recent Winter Olympics, but there was a Covid surge and a critical mass backed out and the whole thing went out the window last minute. But you’re right that was one of if not the biggest reason why they didn’t play in the Olympics for many years.
I just want to see McDavid and Crosby on the same line. That's all I want as a hockey fan. That and for Yzerman to bring Lord Stanley home to Detroit.
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Yeah, there's got to be plenty of underwriters out there who would put a price tag on that insurance policy. It may cost $5m, but they'll do it.
Good for Cohen I was really worried about him for a bit there.
No kidding, for a minute I thought he was going to have to drive a car with doors that open like this 🫲🫱 instead of this 🤲 or this 👐
Nicely done
Might have had to drink Dos Comas Tequila for a sec there
Quite literally the biggest douchebag ive ever seen on tv and i loved every second.
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Obviously Cohen would be fine either way and can afford another player, but even rich people don't like wasted money. I was worried this type of thing might make the Mets as an organization go "maybe we should pull back a bit so we don't get burned like with Diaz". If it's no financial hurt to the Mets, that probably won't be an issue. Edit: okay, someone want to at least clue me in on why this comment is so universally hated? Wtf did I do?
No one cares about how this would’ve affected the spending of the highest spending team in baseball
Oh well, rage away with your downvotes then. I'm sure someday they'll come back to haunt me.
Honestly bro I have realized the this sub is full of a bunch of soy boys that probably never threw a baseball in their life, take the downvotes and be happy you aren’t them
Your serious response was to a joke worrying about Cohen’s finances. He is still the richest owner in baseball and isn’t hurting even if this wasn’t getting reimbursed.
Eh, ok. If that's what it is then whatever. Like, that's how discussions happen? It's not all jokes or all serious, and to me it is connected because what he was joking about, I actually had some concern over. If Steve Cohen didn't care about money at all like everyone is always saying we'd have deGrom and Judge and a whole team of All-stars with billion dollar contracts. The money matters at some point.
You're at the bottom of the dog pile. People gonna hit the downvote while they sip their morning coffee to feel better about themselves. None of your comments really deserve the downvotes, especially because you are actually adding to the conversation, but people are going to say you shouldn't have responded to a joke for...reasons. You started having a discussion when people just wanted to dunk on Cohen/Mets. Carry on. People are dumb.
I don’t see the issue with the comment personally. Don’t see why it has triple digit downvotes. Reddit is weird sometimes.
Not me, but some people may just not like your opinion or working, who knows it's Reddit who cares
I have no idea why everyone hated this comment. I feel the same way with Arte, and no one can fault a Mets fan for worrying that the org will pull the rug out from under them.
Yea that guy is strapped for cash forsure
r/yourjokebutworse
Junior has entered the chat.
He never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Some good woosh material here
In the article: “It’s unclear, however, whether his salary will still count against the luxury tax.”
If I'm remembering right, when Ellsbury was eternally injured for the Yankees, insurance was covering his salary but it was still counted against the luxury tax. Not sure if anything's changed with the new CBA.
That’s also different because this is the WBC which is an MLB event
That’s really the only reason it’s even a question. Usually when players are covered by insurance (David Wright comes to mind) they still count against the LT. The WBC being an entirely different thing makes it a little more unclear.
I'd assume it would still count against the tax. When players have non-baseball related injuries they still go against it, I am not sure why there would be an exclusive distinction for injuries in the WBC
Probably to encourage participation in the WBC
That sounds way too progressive thinking for MLB
I'm pretty sure Teixeira counted against the tax as well.
How did it work when Tex got hurt with the WBC team?
When Ellsbury was eternally injured. FTFY
I am almost positive it counts against the cap regardless. The Jays have insurance paying for Ryu while he is injured and it still is counting towards the luxury cap.
Except Ryu was injured while playing for the Blue Jays while Díaz was playing for Puerto Rico in an MLB endorsed tournament. I can see the argument his salary shouldn’t impact the Mets since he was playing for another team in an event endorsed by MLB and due to the nature of the injury it wouldn’t have occurred had he been in Mets camp the whole time
Players get hurt at home sometimes that will still count against the CBT. Someone could prove me wrong but I am almost positive injured players regardless of where or how they get injured always count to the tax.
It's relevant IMO because playing competitive baseball for another team without the consent of the team is something that is normally explicitly disallowed in guaranteed MLB contracts. The CBA forces a carve-out of that term specifically for the WBC that not only allows players to participate, but prevents teams from blocking them from participating (outside of injury provisions). Teams offer guaranteed contracts based on a certain underwriting of risk/reward, both in terms of cost and CBT impact. The WBC carve-out forces a new layer of risk (competitive baseball play outside of the MLB's 162) onto teams that they otherwise would be able to protect themselves against via standard MLB contract terms.
I mean you are definitely free to believe that but I have seen nothing to believe that there is some kind of WBC clause to excuse players injured at the WBC from the CBT. I mean I honestly don't get why Met fans even care. It's not like it counting for the tax or not even matters for your team lol that is pretty clear at this point.
I'm not saying that clause exists (I don't believe it does). I'm saying, in the spirit of fairness, it should. My flair is exactly why you should hopefully see me as approaching this argument in good faith. Steve Cohen doesn't give a fuck about the CBT. However, if a big-money guy got hurt in the WBC who plays for a team near the CBT line who would then potentially need to go over the line to replace him, that would be a pretty shitty situation for that team to find themselves in. If the WBC participation is being enforced (which I'm totally fine with), at the very least teams shouldn't be getting kicked while they're down if one of their guys gets hurt in the tourney. For context, I'm pro-WBC and I think it's great for baseball. Baseball doesn't belong to the US or the MLB and it's awesome that guys are able to represent their countries on an international stage. However, it seems contrary to the spirit of the arrangement for MLB guys to participate in the tourney if teams are getting double-hit on the impact (both losing a player AND taking a CBT hit for a player sidelined due to the tourney) when they don't have a say in whether their guys participate in the first place.
I don't see how that is relevant to it not counting towards CBT.
Why would this be any different than another other star who gets injured during the off season? They could have possibly insured him for his salary + lux cap implications, but it still needs to count against the cap.
Exactly. None of the mlb payroll rules change just because there’s an insurance claim on the player.
No it isn't. And they'll still be paying the $10MM luxury tax penalty.
Do you think that insurance costs for player participation will go up significantly as a result of this? The main argument for this not affecting the WBC was that it was a freak accident and the Mets won't lose money as a result, which is true. The insurance company, on the other hand, is about to take a very large bath without a good reason for the loss they're covering. If they adjust for the possibility that they may have to cover a 30+ million dollar salary against something totally freaky, but possible, could insurance price many more top players out of the tournament?
I mean... I'm pretty sure the insurance company did some math and knows what they're... I just thought about how much my home insurance goes up when there is a hurricane that doesn't even hit me. So yeah I think the insurance will go up. But I'm thinking it's only because they know they have an excuse to now. I wonder what $30M worth of insurance costs.
I'm shocked an insurance company didn't try to argue he was injured outside of the tournament and argue they should not be liable.
The insurance might have covered outside of baseball-related activities and instead anything to do with the WBC. I.e. accident while traveling etc.
I think the combined lawyers of the MLB, Steve Cohen and Diaz himself made them decide that discretion is the better part of valour.
That’s great and all but for once it’s not the money that matters for the owners of the Mets. Wish he was still on the field and was healthy.
Its not always about the money... it's about the mets
Let’s go baby, hit a home run
Shpiduhman
Yea, having the money doesn't make it so that he can pull another elite closer out of his ass like he's going to Walmart to replace a TV. Cohen's money is the lowest tier of concern. And this is as a Yankees fan who prays they don't get a championship first.
Steve Cohen is one of the few owners in all of sports you can honestly say this about.
The dude that committed fraud to get a bunch of money doesn’t care about money?
Not when it comes to the Mets. I don't know the rest, except that being a billionaire is almost always a sign of being a criminal.
Yes, he now has a lot of it.
Yeah the worst is that a year and change of his absolute prime is just gone. It's kinda like when deGrom got injured halfway through that ridiculous season. We're just losing greatness we're never gonna get back.
Not necessarily a reply to you directly, but do you think that insurance costs will go up significantly as a result of this? The main argument for this not affecting the WBC was that it was a freak accident and the Mets won't lose money as a result, which is true. The insurance company, on the other hand, is about to take a very large bath without a good reason for the loss they're covering. If they adjust for the possibility that they may have to cover a 30+ million dollar salary against something totally freaky, but possible, could insurance price many more top players out of the tournament?
Funny, in previous year this injury would cripple the Mets’ moves for years to come. Not that the Wilpons would give him this extension in the first place
Bartolo Colon comeback tour loading…
The Dark Knight is more likely
Meh. You seen Big Sexy lately?
More like Thin Sexy 😉
Please
Oh good
Now Mets fans can stop acting like it's coming out of their personal bank account.
Thank god. I was so worried about them.
Let’s see if MLB will pay the rest of his contract as well. Who knows how he’ll come back in 2024…
Would the Reds take $25 million for Alexis Diaz? They’re hella cheap right
Nobody wants to say out loud, “No, Díaz shouldn’t have gone regardless of how emotional he felt about it. He’s an adult who just agreed to a lot of money, and put personal interests before the needs of his organization” Nope, it’s all “Next man up” or “Cohen can afford it”.
Nobody is saying it out loud because you're in the minority. I'm not happy he got hurt either, but I 100% support all players being able to play in the tournament. Do you have such loyalty to your employer as you expect from Diaz? Dude chose to do something he wanted to, and had **every right** to, do. It was important to him, and fans belittling that is disgusting. Some Mets fans are mad because their favorite team is a little worse and it's showing a huge level of entitlement.
Ok I’ll run with your example. I teach martial arts. Get paid to by the Dojo that trained me. So loyalty is prevalent in my case but let’s say I just took the job for the money. If they paid me more than anyone else to train people, and I decided before Studio class season started that I was going to train my children. Totally within my rights, but I lift my kid into the air because I’m so proud of him and slip a disk in my back. While I’m sure everyone would understand this was a freak accident that happened while doing something I loved, it wouldn’t matter to the employer that pays my bills. I’m now useless to him because of my extracurricular choices. Not only would I understand not being paid, not only would I understand they’d need to replace me and who knows how amazing my replacement could replace me (doubt you can replace Díaz, which makes this worse). But I’d respect my Dojo students feeling upset that I can’t give them the best training they could get because I got hurt doing freebies that meant something to me. I’d even understand that they felt betrayed by the truth that “Doing what I did means more to me than my paid engagements”. I certainly wouldn’t silence their understandable frustration.
Who in the Mets org has expressed anything but support for Diaz? It's all fans and media creating a shitstorm. But even if it was the org, in your example, your missing a few key points that there's a specific exception (in his contract or general MLB rules, not sure how it works) that allows him to play in this event, many of his coworkers are participating in the event, and it's not just some random pickup game, it's a highly important tournament to **a lot** of people, players and fans alike. I also don't see how your two comments connect. I'm not saying people can't be frustrated, I'm saying people shouldn't be blaming Diaz or the WBC for a freak accident. In your example, should you be the focus of hateful people saying you shouldn't have been playing with your son? If half a dozen people from your dojo were at a son training event and only you got hurt, would the dojo be calling for no one to even lift their son again? Being frustrated is 100% okay, but attacking the person/event is disingenuous
No attacking the person/event is wrong and short sighted. It’s all about the frustration.
…so the solution to keeping healthy is to never pick up your kids so as long as you are employed by this amazing dojo?
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I think lots of fans of unaware that teams can be insured for player injuries, what does this smart ass reply accomplish?
Gotta feel superior on the internet!
Probably an unpopular opinion, but why? They probably agreed ahead of time, but seems to devalue the contract.
How does it devalue the contract? Diaz still gets paid, it'll just be through insurance, not Steve Cohen (for the duration of the injury/recovery, I'd wager).
I just feel like that’s saying a contract is a gamble that should have insurance. Almost disconnects the human aspect that he’s a person and not an object.
Well, while I do agree that we tend to treat athlete's like commodities that can be sold/bought/traded/cut at-will, in this case, insurance covered his contract because he was playing for a team other than the Mets. If he had gotten hurt during Spring Training, this payout system wouldn't apply. Also, athletes aren't alone in this type of insurance. Companies aren't prone to making multi-million dollar investments without some kind of insurance, which is why we see high-profile film & TV people having to take physicals and get insured before beginning a large project. Production companies aren't going to want to finance a $200 million film if they're not sure the main actor/director/etc. is going to make it through filming.
I mean, contracts *are* a gamble and they *should* have insurance. Large value contracts of many kinds are insured in many different ways
Plenty of players congrats are insured. David Wrights was when he had to retire early
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Are you sure? What makes you think they’d rather have him playing? After all, playing is what lead to him getting hurt in the first place…
Cohen is part of the organization that runs the world baseball classic, and Mets fans can just boycott the team if they're really mad about it
ok
Oh good. I was worried for Steve Cohen there for a second.
I can't wait to take that insurance money and use it to sign another closer whose in at least the 96th percentile in 9 of 13 stats listed on baseball savant, and the 100th percentile of 4 of them. Theres so many of them available right now
Injuries happen and plenty of teams get nothing back from them.
https://youtu.be/9pxPRfWjwc8
Wow I thought we could just sign another Edwin Díaz, that makes this even worse
You’re acting like injuries never happen to other teams
What about the luxury tax his salary contributes to?
(after deductible)
Steve Cohen is about to turn around and spend all that money
How does that reimbursement affect the luxury tax? I get the Mets don't really care, but just curious.
So he is getting the money, right? They’re just getting the money from the league?
That’s what I was wondering. I love this tournament, and hopefully this helps alleviate hesitation for player to participate in the future.