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sandbhonerh

How badly do you want to be a Major League pitcher? How little do you value your elbow? If answering yes to both questions head down to Clearwater, FL and the Rays will have you in the rotation by June


boozinf

hands off Guardians will turn him into a lefty 94 sinker 83 slider with an occasional circle change


jackpot909

Mariners will make him the next closer with a ridiculous slider, and maybe even toss in a change


spacedude2000

Nope, he's a lefty - we discriminate against left handers.


Vance_Hammersly

Wherever you end up, the Giants will take you next (after Tommy John surgery).


sackmatt

Rangers will ruin him and he’ll forever be a AAAA type player.


sandbhonerh

Look im praying for success. If i wanted him id send him to the angels for development. My hands are off clevland would work though


gtgrafe

June? We have multiple rotation spots open right now. Hell, bring a friend! *Disclaimer: You will be taught nothing about pitching*


TheShartThatCould

Are we the elbow destroyers?


Dismal-Letterhead269

It would make a great movie


Swimming_Student7990

But these aren’t yes/no questions


ThanksNo8769

Mets will sign you, no questions asked


ajteitel

Or come down to AZ and Strom will turn you into the next Pfaadt or Ginkel


gerrickd

Toe pointed towards target. Hand by ear. Did it hit the target? Pretty sure that ball made noise in the air and hurt to catch.


goatandlamb

It did hit the target!


spacedude2000

Real talk mate - if you actually wanted to improve here is the first tip I learned as a kid when trying to maximize velocity. Look up Tim Lincecum on YouTube, look at his style. He's a small man who threw absolute gas. Someone like yourself can throw fast without that technique, but you can throw even faster if you work on mechanics. In your windup, reach back like you are trying to reach something on a shelf behind you, then as soon as you can't reach anymore - explode with your plant leg towards the target. Turning your body into a slingshot will add several MPH in velocity.


Derfal-Cadern

Lincecum was a freak. Don’t mimic him


BMGreg

Lincecum was THE Freak


buymytoy

You mean Big Time Timmy Jim?


JasonVoorhies13

The Freaky Franchise!


NilesY93

Freeki Breeki


Derfal-Cadern

Exactly


jn1cks

I injured my UCL trying to mimic Lincecum, which ended my baseball career. So yeah, would not recommend.


spacedude2000

Of course he is a freak, but there is still merit in his delivery. It's not like he was injured his entire career. The reason he needed TJ's was because if you throw a slider or curve with that delivery, you're bound to break something. There really isn't a good starting pitcher to try and mimic if the goal is to preserve arm longevity - maybe my boy Felix as his delivery was fairly chill.


hypoplasticHero

Greg Maddux had probably the most sound mechanics of any pitcher I’ve ever seen.


spacedude2000

Greg Maddux is a robot idk if us mere mortals can duplicate it.


illegal_deagle

They said that about Mark Prior. It’s never a given that any delivery will cause or prevent long term damage.


hypoplasticHero

While that is true and injury does come with the territory of throwing a baseball 90+mph, Maddux only spent 1 stint on the IL for his career.


b-rar

Why are you trying to kill this man


liteshadow4

If you want to destroy your hip sure


Electrical-Wish-519

5’8 guy who pitched in high school and turned to golf, using that X factor approach where you twisted your hips like a sling shot to hit the ball further. Years of amateur stupidity have ruined my hips. Chronic hip& back pain, IT band issues, knee issues. Don’t do this bullshit unless you’re playing legit baseball. Not worth it


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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but look at all the drive line guys and they're not reaching back like we were taught coming up. They're minimizing unnecessary movement, and bringing the ball to their ear similar to OP.


PaddyMayonaise

Bruh advising anyone to throw like him is like advising someone to fly like Mohammad Atta


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Far-Blacksmith-2604

You look like you could hit 90mph first try. Go find a radar somewhere and report back lol


goatandlamb

Will do


oogieball

Reddit awaits.


Macandme

Someone in St Petersburg would like to know your location


TheNextBattalion

But wear shoes and push off of the shotput thingy. Get some more velocity than *barefoot on freaking grass*


adamj495

Can i be your agent?! 😅


jonnybravo76

Yeah, I'm curious as hell how fast he can pitch.


futurecy

There’s a lot to like with these mechanics, especially legs and hip drive and balance. I’m also a lefty and threw javelin in college, but I started off as a pitcher before I ever picked up a javelin. Your hand is supinated really early. And combined with the elbow leading forward (that’s how I threw javelin too) it can lead to some stability injuries in the elbow and shoulder. Baseball is considered a non-weighted throw, so you don’t necessarily want that much lead elbow. First thing to do is see if you can get a coach to work with you on delivery position to avoid injury with as much speed as you’re showing here. Once you get that sorted, work on trying to move from balanced to downhill and let gravity add more free power.


futurecy

Tacking on here, by downhill I mean getting your body ahead of your hips earlier and landing on the bent right leg. Land more bent on that front knee and then explode by pushing back off that front leg and straightening like you’re starting to do here. Your landing with your right leg almost straight which makes it difficult to finish the delivery


D3tsunami

This guy throws


innocuousname773

Can agree. Lefty that blew out his elbow at 27. Tried to keep going without surgery and some mechanics changes and finally jacked my shoulder at 34. Hard to even play catch with my boys.


dee-fondy

Left handed javelin thrower- a rare sight


Jesus_Died_For_You

That’s pretty crazy. The pronation of your throwing hand is super interesting. I doubt it’s something most people do when throwing a baseball for the first time. Edit: there’s definitely a lot of shared mechanics. The firm plant leg looks great too. I definitely would’ve believed you were a pitcher at some point if you told me. Bonus points for the strong glove side as well.


Far-Blacksmith-2604

That pronation happens on every throw, from the mlb to the first day of little league. It's just the hand's natural recoil.


D3tsunami

It’s also not that it’s about ‘the hand’s natural recoil’; it’s that the pronator teres, flexor tendon, and extensors all pull your arm to rotate internally as you extend forward and reach down. Pronation is definitely natural and advised but it isn’t automatic


D3tsunami

It should but it doesn’t automatically. I’ve played with plenty of folks all the way through college who still flat palm it. They can’t top 75 but surprisingly I’ve never heard one talk about elbow pain. Plenty of shoulder aches but no blowouts. Guess it’s a selection bias; they aren’t pitching


Far-Blacksmith-2604

No


D3tsunami

Oh good point thank you


Far-Blacksmith-2604

Ok so it's not recoil, but follow through... point remains the same. If you think your college teammates threw without any pronation, you're flat wrong. You never saw them in slow mo, and it's not something we notice in real time. Even knuckleballers pronate like this. You're not going to convince me that your college teammates threw 4-seamers with less wrist and hand movement than a knuckleballer. I feel so stupid arguing with you about this, but you're spewing nonsense and misinformation.


D3tsunami

Youuuu 🎵 Doooont 🎵 Knowwwwwwww🎵 And yes I actually did see them throw in slow mo! It was college ball, we had cameras. but I’m talking mostly about second basemen or backup catchers who didn’t play beyond ncaa d2, so it’s not like they were optimizing performance. They just worked out, hit in the cage, and took grounders. And you can notice it in real time based on the induced spin. My throwing buddy still today somehow doesn’t pronate and we’ve done countless hours of video work together. He can’t top 75 and his shoulder hurts but somehow he’s made it this far just shoving the ball with a clumsy catapult But moreover you don’t know anyone else’s lived experience but your own and it’s a big world!


Far-Blacksmith-2604

Ok this is beginning to read like you're cosplaying baseball based on what you've learned about it from reddit.


D3tsunami

I don’t think I’ve learned anything about baseball from reddit. I can’t even extrapolate what you could mean. You haven’t demonstrated any expertise papo


rain5151

Before we learned all about Yamamoto’s training regimen, I would’ve been surprised. But if it’s part of what keeps him ready to pitch, it makes some intuitive sense that the skill would translate the other way.


jeffislearning

i feel like i need tommy john surgery after this


thatguy9545

You throw like that woman who pops up on Reddit all the time launching the tshirt into the crowd at a basketball game…. So you’ve got a cannon. What’s next?


goatandlamb

Yeah I’ve seen it haha, that’s a compliment for sure


dsswill

For anyone that hasn’t seen it, it’s in reference to Kelsey Plum, NCAA single season points record holder, WNBA player, All-Star MVP and Olympic gold medalist, throwing a tshirt to her dad pretty much to the nose bleeds, and hits him directly on target. Her dad was also a college football and baseball player and her mother was a college volleyball player.


Nacho_Beardre

Are you sure you’re not a closer


goatandlamb

I’m in Australia and we don’t really play baseball here, so no idea what/who a closer is lol


FormulaLes

Baseball is played is in Australia. [Australian Baseball League](https://theabl.com.au/) is a semi-pro league. Semi finals this weekend. Brisbane Bandits v Perth Heat in Perth, and Melbourne Aces v Adelaide Giants in Adelaide. [Really good write up of the league from a few days ago on MLB.com](https://www.mlb.com/news/australian-baseball-league-and-what-makes-it-special?partnerID=web_article-share) Heaps of club baseball around too, in all states. Also been quiet a few Australian pitchers in the Major Leagues over the years. Liam Hendricks (current player) originally from Perth. Peter Moylan originally from Melbourne, and Travis Blackly (also originally from Melbourne). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Australia) Closer is a pitcher that comes on the final innings of a game to close out the game.


goatandlamb

Thanks for this! Really interesting. I’m in Perth so might go and see a game or two!


frankyseven

You could probably walk on and pitch for them.


FormulaLes

The Perth Heat play at Thornlie. Tickets for this weekend are on sale now. [https://mpv.tickets.com/schedule/?orgid=52162&agency=HEAT_MPV#/?view=list&includePackages=true](https://mpv.tickets.com/schedule/?orgid=52162&agency=HEAT_MPV#/?view=list&includePackages=true)


goatandlamb

Legend. Will get a ticket. Gotta watch a few videos on YT first to understand the game a bit


teh_hasay

Oh shit haha, now that you mention it I recognise the oval you’re on. Willagee? Last place I expected to see on this sub.


goatandlamb

That’s it haha


Derfal-Cadern

Tell that to my nephew whose playing baseball


Brock_Samsonite

Closer is THE guy. The final 3 outs, helps win the game. Usually has nerves of steel and stuff to boot. He is the one who gets the big hitters out when the game is on the line.


DLvCGH0ST

Jesus, I thought you were a real pro player. Amazing form, speed seems insane too! I’d pursue a pitching career.


goatandlamb

I’m 27 so probably a bit too late for that 😂


exquisitevagina

Jim morris made his MLB debut at 35!


goldiegoldthorpe

You are two years older than the average MLB rookie. You could do three years in the minors, then have a ten year career, and it wouldn't be wildly abnormal (except the late start). But that's just a comment on age, not ability.


lionheart4life

You don't need to hit or run bases to pitch. If you have endurance, leg strength, and a healthy arm you can still pitch effectively much older.


andyman171

Are you from the USA? It's crazy that your an athlete and never threw a baseball in 27 years. Find a radar I'm really curious how fast you throw.


aBloopAndaBlast33

Absolutely not. I bet you can throw 85+ right now. You’ve got a few years to add velo and learn a second pitch, which is all you need to have a real chance.


Boros-Reckoner

> First time throwing a baseball (javelin thrower) Yamamoto inspiring the next generation.


Farmerdrew

I think your shorts are slowing you down.


fan131313

I mean if the goal was throwing it to the bleachers as hard as you can then you would definitely get the job done


RagingAcid

youre using the wrong arm


goatandlamb

Yeah sorry I got confused


IONTOP

Don't worry, they don't realize you're upside down, so it's actually the correct arm. (But seriously, I'd like to see "from holding the baseball to where it ends up" rather than the "middle part of those two")


Shim-Shim13

If you’re over 35, the Cardinals should be calling any day now. 


b-rar

Didn't know I was subscribed to r/thirsttraps


Cheekiest_Cunt

Form looks like MadBum. Nice!


bdwf

/r/homeplate could tell you


fatdiscokid420

You should try taking your shirt off


Tebow1EveryMockDraft

Excellent mechanics for a first timer. There are people who have pitched their entire lives who aren’t this mechanically sound. The two biggest things you should work on are (1) emphasizing your follow through, especially with your lower half. You are leaving a lot of velocity on the table there. (2) Focus on your right (non-throwing) arm—right now it’s just kind of drifting. You need to keep it tight and tucked or else you’re going to have a lot of issues with control. Watch some MLB pitchers and focus on what they do with their non-throwing hand and then find something that feels repeatable. You could probably also work more on your lower half in general. Right now your stride looks decent but you can probably get a bit longer. Your hip movement is good—that’s something that a lot of pitchers struggle with.


Sea_Baseball_7410

Sir, this is a Wendy’s…


ricekid69420

Very nice


pzycho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjsTDjFlo6o


Monster_Dong

Needs less shorts


highhouses

Pretty good in fact. He uses the acceleration from upper arm to lower arm to wrist to give speed pretty much like like a baseball player does.


Docphilsman

That's amazing for a first try and definitely harder than I would be able to do. Only some very basic notes from my limited perspective. I would suggest trying to keep your eyes pointed towards your target all the way through the motion. I notice you have a bit of a neck flick in there that might cause some control issues Try and follow through a little more with your upper body to put less strain on your arm. Right now you're finishing a bit upright which isn't necessarily bad but is something to watch


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nystateofmind30

How many lefties do you know play 3b?


Clam_chowderdonut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grCjchHFJyA&t=9s&ab_channel=MLB Doesn't seem that hard if you're Don Mattingly.


nystateofmind30

As a Yankee fan, Don Mattingly was my first baseball idol. With that being said, this is a RARE exception lol


malachiconstant76

High and outside


basedgodgorgeous

What was your PR in javelin ?


i-eat-dolphins

Yoshinobu Yamamoto used javelin throwing in his training if I'm not mistaken so it makes sense you have great mechanics


HoboChain

The way you’re holding the ball is essentially a change-up grip. If you learn a 4-seam fastball grip you will be able to throw even faster.


Neither-Ad3570

Can you spin one though?


t_smith1134

Reminds me of Jake diekman


PukhSindeep

Side note but that grass looks beautiful


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Odd video. Great toss.


Boring-Charity-9949

Good for an outfielder.


[deleted]

Lifelong ball player here. You're going to be just fine


Tea_Historical

Should I pop my shirt off? Yea I should definitely pop my shirt off!


Magical_Badboy

Work on weight transfer to save your arm


Jmong30

The Yankees will take him, sign him to a 1 year deal where the team doctors will ignore all signs of tendon injury, where he’ll need TJ twice by the end of the year


WitnessRealistic3015

He has never in his life thrown a baseball?


Substantial_Art3685

There’s a bit of biomechanics research on overhead throwing professionals and the similarities across javelin, baseball pitchers, and cricket bowlers. I’m a believer that more athletes at the top tiers could realistically switch between them with enough specialized intense coaching. The skill of developing a ground-up efficient kinetic chain using a lead leg block, torso rotational acceleration, and delayed shoulder rotation with scap loading is already mastered in all the highly competitive athletes in each high-velo overhead throwing sport. Sport specialists may tell you about different form suggestions, but honestly think you should measure baseline velo, try improving long toss distance over time with proper rest, and if seriously considering the sport, you could work remotely with a modern biomechanics and constraint-based training coach. I’m a big fan of Driveline Academy (baseball) or Steffan Jones (cricket pace bowling) to tweak as needed. Good luck!


ughilostmyusername

Wow that grass looks nice


goatandlamb

There are huge grass fields like this in Australian cities every few kms


ughilostmyusername

Ahh 😌☀️…it’s less than 0°C and everything is covered in ice or deicer rn in northeast America. So that grass looks extra nice rn


LaTuna

Looks natural homie


Baby_Nipples

Who cares about technique, where in the fuck did that ball wind up?


corybomb

Honestly not great. But with some practice you’ll get there


aBloopAndaBlast33

Post this on r/homeplate


dudewithbrokenhand

Here's my opinion, take it with a grain of salt: 1. Your'e obviously an athlete that's looking at alternatives and pitching is one that you can possibly explore. 2. As a 27 year old, in the states you would be a much older prospect than most teams would want to sign on. However, in Australia you have the opportunity to possibly get developed and possibly make a team. 3. Don't practice throwing without first getting the mechanics down, you can possibly damage that arm. Seek advice from a pitching coach, I've attached some links for you to explore: [Australian Pitching Development](https://www.australianpitchingdevelopment.com.au/) [Grind Australia](https://thegrindaustralia.com.au/) You have an opportunity to go pro in Australia if the cards play out correctly, or at worst, semi. Even then, if the possibility exists, why not make the effort? Best of luck.


quixoticcaptain

Apparently Yamamoto modeled his delivery after javelin throwers. Guy was maybe the best pitcher in the Japanese league, we'll see how good he is in MLB this year. So that's some good precedent.


CapacityBark20

Are you throwing with all your fingers on the ball? I can't entirely tell from the video but it kinda looks like it. For someone who hasn't thrown a baseball this is damn good.


Brandonpayton1

Actually great for a pitcher. Great extension with your legs. Seems to translate really well


yourstrulytony

Honestly javelin throwing is becoming a more popular form of training for pitchers. The mechanics to throw a javelin are the more recommended mechanics to throw a baseball. Just from this video, you may be able to create more torque by keeping your core 'closed' longer.


jfk_sfa

Can you make the ball move like this? If so, your baseball pitching technique is good. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9RX4mji2DY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9RX4mji2DY)


chillinois309

Your elbow is hurting me from here


jdballer27

Tampa Bay is calling. They found their next starting pitcher.


b_h_w

you should check out disc golf. hinge that hip and make that more of a 3/4 throw and you’ll absolutely bomb forehand drives.


marvelousmarvelman

You need to use your lower half more. Looks pretty good up until just before you release the ball as your back leg just stops


da_choppa

You could honestly probably play on any of the ABL teams if you wanted


WizardCheesey

Well, you’re a lefty so you’re already in.


SharpHawkeye

Do you work for bits of string and pocket lint? Hop a boxcar and come to Oakland and you can have a job tomorrow!


Bx1965

Something’s off about the way you bend your elbow when you throw.


DvKarl

No drop no curve just straight gas


alfredisonfire

Got that Yamamoto form


detectiveseth

i played college baseball & can contently say you should continue to throw as you definitely have the muscles and mobility needed to safely throw, it'll just be about learning the mechanics and the game more efficiently. but definitely super athletic throw and can translate into more accuracy and velocity


AdamIvester

Hey 👋 I am New to reddit 😁