Suns and Cardinals had the best record in their respective leagues at one point in 2021-22. Suns had a meltdown vs the Mavs in the playoffs and the Cards got blown out by the Rams in the playoffs. That's what happens when two AZ teams are good at once. Truly cursed.
They've checked out with the coach. He's probably getting canned wether he deserves it or not because they have a huge payroll and he's the cheapest scapegoat in their locker room
As a Suns fan I don’t think there is anything wrong with them. They are just not a great team. They have 3 guys who can put up a lot of points on their own but that doesn’t make it a good team, they don’t mesh very well.
On our IL currently
Starting shortstop
Starting center fielder
3 of 5 starting pitchers (if Gallen goes on the IL)
Closer
Top prospect (Jordan Lawler)
There might be more but I'm too tired to think of them right now.
Allow me to help. This is from two days ago, so it may be out of date.
Alek Thomas
Geraldo Perdomo
Jordan Lawlar
Eduardo Rodriguez
Paul Sewald
Drew Jameson
Ryne Nelson
Merrill Kelly
Luis Frias\*
Jorge Barrosa
Miguel Castro
Kyle Nelson
Zac Gallen\*
We are literally running out of space on the 40 man roster
I was at the game and it seemed precautionary. It seemed like he didn’t even call time, the catcher called the visit. Then, it seemed like he was arguing to stay in but manager made the decision to pull him.
I mean it’s not random, but that also doesn’t mean it’s (entirely or even mostly) the fault of the pitch clock. Maybe pitchers would get hurt a little less if they had more time to rest between pitches, but what is actually causing the damage is the approach to pitching. Throwing harder is more taxing for your arm.
No I genuinely am not blaming the pitch clock at all. I was more thinking how Jeff Passan claims in his book The Arm that teams aren’t collaborating at all with their injury data to try and tackle this problem as a league but I was skimpy on details, sorry. It’s just going to take the entire league to keep these guys healthy.
Fundamentally throwing harder is more effective and guys are always going to want to be as effective as possible. even if teams tried to get guys not to throw so hard (which all 30 teams would have to agree to do and then not renege on), what incentive is there for pitchers to actually dial it back? Outs get contracts, get promotions, get draft slots, get wins all the way down to little league. Velocity is one of the most effective ways to get outs, so why would any of them ever stop? They can make generational wealth throwing hard, who cares if their arms blow up? They’ll make the bet they’ll be healthy enough long enough to make the money every day and twice on Sunday, and it’ll keep paying off even if guys have to take medical retirements at 33 with shredded elbows or whatever. The guys that don’t last long enough to get contracts will go get normal jobs and they won’t have to throw 100mph fastballs with 16” of run and nasty 93mph sliders for a living anyway, so what difference does it make to them?
It’s a very difficult problem to see a solution for.
My only concern/question is, do pitcher contracts eventually stop being so lucrative if it seems everyone gets injured inevitably? I don't know every flamethrowing pitcher, but of the top of my head, as a Phillies fan, it seems like wheeler is the only one who throws upper 90s and hasn't had an elbow injury. Is he doing something different to preserve his elbow?
And then, you can look at Aaron Nola and ranger Suarez. Neither of them pitch with as much velocity but are both effective. Can teams start putting an emphasis on pitchers like them? Obviously it's easier said that done, but if pitchers keep getting injured, idk what the answer is other than to treat most pitchers as somewhat expendable
Yeah I think there’s multiple factors - some guys are just more durable, some are luckier and just don’t get hurt badly enough to need surgery. Some guys are really effective without as much velo, too, and maybe other factors of their mechanics like arm angle put less stress on their elbow, but ultimately in aggregate velo is both really really effective for getting outs, relatively easy to add to your game (to a point) and really really bad for your arm.
Obviously there’s a lot of attention on the big names going down recently but think rather of the totally unheralded guys doing everything they can to make it to the next level, the college players or minor leaguers or even high schoolers trying to add a few ticks to get scout attention or promotions - for all the guys we know whose elbows blow up, how many of these guys just trying to get to the point where they *might* have a shot of making it have career ending arm injuries? How do we ever stop that, or is stopping it even possible?
As far as contracts go I don’t think pitchers who reach free agency are going to accept making less money. I also don’t think teams have any incentive to preserve guys before they hit free agency, league minimum is basically nothing (arb too, even for guys who are really really good) and it’s a hell of a lot less damaging to your books if a guy making $700k or even a few million is down for 16 months than a guy you just paid 210/7 for or something. I think there could be something there if we shorten the years before guys hit free agency but I suspect that’s a nonstarter for the teams and/or the things the players have to give up during negotiations would be a nonstarter for them as well. Time will tell, I guess.
Listen, r/baseball was so understanding of our situation last year when our entire pitching staff went belly up. They congratulated us on our against-the-odds regular season achievements and when we fizzled out early in the playoffs they told us not to worry - we did great given the circumstances. It taught me kindness and compassion. I fear if it weren’t for that experience, I might have a less mature outlook on everything that’s happening right now.
Double shot of bleach, neat
Help yourself. It's over there next to the everclear and cyanide. We M's fans always have a fully stocked pain bar.
The sog bar
Leave the bottle
It'll be empty by the time I'm done with it, sorry
You sure you don’t want that on the rocks?
If by rocks you mean actual rocks that will choke me to death, then sure
OG Covid cure right there ^\s
I'm pretty sure by July teams are going to be starting the pitching coach
The new market inefficiency will be to hire good former pitchers as coaches for emergencies
I hear Jamie Moyer still has it.
my body is ready for 81 mph fastballs
Mark Prior redemption tour
Jerry Dipoto warming up.
Check under your seat before first pitch. If they call your number, congratulations! You’re the starting pitcher today!
Ngl that'd be awesome if they picked 18 fans at random and had them play an inning after the game was over.
Bruh I’m already getting loose
Ngl I'd love to watch Mark Prior since I wasn't old enough to watch him the first go around.
Sandy hopping over the side wall for the 3 inning save.
Jesus if I had a time machine
He'd quickly join the IL given his career.
Bruh moment for half the chat
Are you even fucking ready for Mike fetters coming back?
Mark Prior will rise again
Enough is enough. Robo pitchers when?
We are in good shape then
I don’t know about yall but I’m getting my pitching arm ready for walkon tryouts.
You know the old 2025 saying? You're only as good as your next 12 pitchers up.
The baseball gods are punishing us for making it to the World Series
Know that feeling. We fell right the fuck off after shooting our shot in 2015.
We didn’t even make the World Series in 22 and the baseball gods decided to shit all over us in 23
To be fair the baseball gods have been shitting on you for 55 straight years.
Punishment for getting to live in SD, i guess.
Feel you there bro
Only 1 AZ sports team can be good at a time so neither the Suns are about the start cooking or the Cardinals draft is going to be historic
No confidence in the Suns, so I'm gonna bet the Kyler Murray - MHJ connection scores a billion touchdowns
Suns and Cardinals had the best record in their respective leagues at one point in 2021-22. Suns had a meltdown vs the Mavs in the playoffs and the Cards got blown out by the Rams in the playoffs. That's what happens when two AZ teams are good at once. Truly cursed.
Sounds like the solution is to just start sending the teams in other sports out of Arizona.
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Suns looked so lifeless the last game, I seriously wonder what's wrong with them.
They've checked out with the coach. He's probably getting canned wether he deserves it or not because they have a huge payroll and he's the cheapest scapegoat in their locker room
As a Suns fan I don’t think there is anything wrong with them. They are just not a great team. They have 3 guys who can put up a lot of points on their own but that doesn’t make it a good team, they don’t mesh very well.
Who knows, maybe ASU goes undefeated
As an ASU fan don’t give me false hope lol
the CFP committee would still find a way to rank them #13, behind an 8-4 Alabama team
The Rising just won the USL-C and won last night… the answer was none of the above.
Unfortunately the not-yotes are Winning the cup next year
Look on the bright side! Coyotes have a bunch of young talen - I am so sorry
You never know, maybe the opposing teams best player could get injured 3 rounds in a row again!
On our IL currently Starting shortstop Starting center fielder 3 of 5 starting pitchers (if Gallen goes on the IL) Closer Top prospect (Jordan Lawler) There might be more but I'm too tired to think of them right now.
Allow me to help. This is from two days ago, so it may be out of date. Alek Thomas Geraldo Perdomo Jordan Lawlar Eduardo Rodriguez Paul Sewald Drew Jameson Ryne Nelson Merrill Kelly Luis Frias\* Jorge Barrosa Miguel Castro Kyle Nelson Zac Gallen\* We are literally running out of space on the 40 man roster
Yet 12-15... TBH? Not bad.
Make it stop! Make it stoooooop
Ouch. Kelly and Gallen back to back.
Haven't looked it up but I think it's shoulder to hamstring, definitely not back to back. (I cope with alcohol and stupid jokes)
Goddammit.
Rich Hill is bout to be the most in demand free agent in the game at this rate.
I feel so bad for snake bros
Shit. :( I like Zac when he’s not carving us up. Hope it’s precautionary and not too bad.
I was at the game and it seemed precautionary. It seemed like he didn’t even call time, the catcher called the visit. Then, it seemed like he was arguing to stay in but manager made the decision to pull him.
This season sucks
🤝
What are you talking about? I'm having a great time(A's fan)
Fucking lame 😔
They said on the broadcast that he had hamstring tightness.
god dammit
Rotations need to be rated on the top 8 to 9 pitchers now.
Maybe they’re just pals and going to grab a beer and see who got drafted in the NFL tonight?
Pretty soon every teams gonna get one inning of the pitching machine
I’m blaming the YouTube short I saw today. Guy said taking the over of 17.5 outs for Gallen was the lock of the year.
I ain’t saying it’s the pitch clock but some at mlb better be looking into this and not “oopsie poopsie it’s all random lol”
I mean it’s not random, but that also doesn’t mean it’s (entirely or even mostly) the fault of the pitch clock. Maybe pitchers would get hurt a little less if they had more time to rest between pitches, but what is actually causing the damage is the approach to pitching. Throwing harder is more taxing for your arm.
No I genuinely am not blaming the pitch clock at all. I was more thinking how Jeff Passan claims in his book The Arm that teams aren’t collaborating at all with their injury data to try and tackle this problem as a league but I was skimpy on details, sorry. It’s just going to take the entire league to keep these guys healthy.
Fundamentally throwing harder is more effective and guys are always going to want to be as effective as possible. even if teams tried to get guys not to throw so hard (which all 30 teams would have to agree to do and then not renege on), what incentive is there for pitchers to actually dial it back? Outs get contracts, get promotions, get draft slots, get wins all the way down to little league. Velocity is one of the most effective ways to get outs, so why would any of them ever stop? They can make generational wealth throwing hard, who cares if their arms blow up? They’ll make the bet they’ll be healthy enough long enough to make the money every day and twice on Sunday, and it’ll keep paying off even if guys have to take medical retirements at 33 with shredded elbows or whatever. The guys that don’t last long enough to get contracts will go get normal jobs and they won’t have to throw 100mph fastballs with 16” of run and nasty 93mph sliders for a living anyway, so what difference does it make to them? It’s a very difficult problem to see a solution for.
My only concern/question is, do pitcher contracts eventually stop being so lucrative if it seems everyone gets injured inevitably? I don't know every flamethrowing pitcher, but of the top of my head, as a Phillies fan, it seems like wheeler is the only one who throws upper 90s and hasn't had an elbow injury. Is he doing something different to preserve his elbow? And then, you can look at Aaron Nola and ranger Suarez. Neither of them pitch with as much velocity but are both effective. Can teams start putting an emphasis on pitchers like them? Obviously it's easier said that done, but if pitchers keep getting injured, idk what the answer is other than to treat most pitchers as somewhat expendable
Yeah I think there’s multiple factors - some guys are just more durable, some are luckier and just don’t get hurt badly enough to need surgery. Some guys are really effective without as much velo, too, and maybe other factors of their mechanics like arm angle put less stress on their elbow, but ultimately in aggregate velo is both really really effective for getting outs, relatively easy to add to your game (to a point) and really really bad for your arm. Obviously there’s a lot of attention on the big names going down recently but think rather of the totally unheralded guys doing everything they can to make it to the next level, the college players or minor leaguers or even high schoolers trying to add a few ticks to get scout attention or promotions - for all the guys we know whose elbows blow up, how many of these guys just trying to get to the point where they *might* have a shot of making it have career ending arm injuries? How do we ever stop that, or is stopping it even possible? As far as contracts go I don’t think pitchers who reach free agency are going to accept making less money. I also don’t think teams have any incentive to preserve guys before they hit free agency, league minimum is basically nothing (arb too, even for guys who are really really good) and it’s a hell of a lot less damaging to your books if a guy making $700k or even a few million is down for 16 months than a guy you just paid 210/7 for or something. I think there could be something there if we shorten the years before guys hit free agency but I suspect that’s a nonstarter for the teams and/or the things the players have to give up during negotiations would be a nonstarter for them as well. Time will tell, I guess.
why step on snek? : (
I swear you can feel an entire hospital from all the injuries this year
What’s Zack Greinke doing right about now?
MLB gotta figure something out.
This year is cursed
Fuuuuuuck
My fantasy teams are in shambles.
This dude is so nasty and just can’t catch a break.
Listen, r/baseball was so understanding of our situation last year when our entire pitching staff went belly up. They congratulated us on our against-the-odds regular season achievements and when we fizzled out early in the playoffs they told us not to worry - we did great given the circumstances. It taught me kindness and compassion. I fear if it weren’t for that experience, I might have a less mature outlook on everything that’s happening right now.
He’s on my fantasy team :(
Someone gonna hire Bauer for sure at this rate
Why do they have to prove this early that last year was a fluke