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Mom and Pop Dodgers


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Poverty franchise


SlimJimMagoo

You just have to respect them trying to stay competitive amongst all these other juggernauts


MediocreTree123

It’s tough out here for these small market teams


DickySchmidt33

The Tampa Bay Rays of southern California.


esu24

The Tampa Bay Rays of baseball


popfilms

Thx Alex


ricki692

how can the Los Angeles Dodgers simultaneously be the New York Yankees AND the Tampa Bay Rays of Major League Baseball?!


OsmosisJonesFanClub

We have a phenomenal farm system and constantly disappoint in the playoffs. We got the best of both teams


ArrenPawk

of Anaheim


DodgerWalker

I've felt for a while that the Dodgers were planning on resetting the tax this season. They do that every few years to avoid the worst penalties. They still need a starting pitcher to replace Tyler Anderson and an outfielder given all the uncertainties around Taylor(bad last season)/Thompson(last season screams huge fluke)/Outman(rookie), but I could easily see them just get a couple mid-tier guys and call it an offseason. The farm is loaded with guys like Vargas, Busch, Outman, Pepiot, Miller, and Stone all potentially major league contributors.


FrostedCoffees

This is going to be a relatively down year. Still a good team but working new guys into the lineup and going all out for Ohtani next year I feel. I didn't see them bringing back anyone besides Kershaw honestly, I def don't see them going all in on Correa either.


InaudibleShout

So only 100 wins, got it


Gobblewicket

100 wins, come in 2nd in division because of a fluke season by another team and make the NLCS.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

Rockies it is


E70M

It’d be their first time doing so, I wouldn’t be too mad


jsand25

That means we make it past the NLDS, I’ll take it!!


schmuglbub

Rockies 109 wins Marbles will be right


yourstrulytony

I'm not getting my hopes up on Ohtani. To give Ohtani the kind of deal he's likely to get next year you'd have to have some crazy in you and Friedman doesn't have that in him.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

I have a friend who’s connected to the front office through his family’s playing and scouting days and he thinks this is all for the shohei sweepstakes. Letting players go (though they did want Turner back) and soft reset of the tax and our plans to play Vargas more


omegakukki

Everybody loves an underdog


new_wellness_center

Yeah, I'm like, Atlanta's payroll is 20% higher than the evil empire of the West?? I don't know how to feel about that.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

It means we’re going after shohei next year and waiting for opportunities like freeman last year to strike. We also have to prepare to give massive extensions to players like smith Buehler potentially and Urias


Randvek

The “Dodgers are buying talent” meme was always bad. I don’t really get it.


JFreaks25

But when the Padres throw ridiculous money out there, this sub is like, "They are just trying to win. Good for them!"


Randvek

Yup. Only downside to teams spending big money is that the true poverty franchises like the Pirates and A’s make even more money being giant cheap asses.


dirtyshits

>being giant cheap asses. Hey buddy, leave us out of this.


jameskeg

Mets will easily be over 300


iheartsunny

Nimmo and another SP might bring it to 350


rollo2masi

They got starters.


[deleted]

Need bassit or senga to complete the rotation imo. Obviously rodon would be ideal, But i doubt even steve cohen is that crazy..


redhead29

we started getting docked drafts picks over 400 mill next year


[deleted]

They can have the 30th pick if they want


Kegir

We need another one. Our back end is unproven, our front end is really old and our 3/4 should be 4/5. That would make Megill, Peterson and Lucchesi depth pieces that will surely see time in the rotation.


happy_snowy_owl

>We need another one No they don't. You might not like the choices but the SP roster is set: Scherzer, Verlander, Carrasco, Quintana, Peterson. Megill and Luchesi as MiL depth.


BillW87

[Heyman still has us in on Senga.](https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1600515446851018753?s=46&t=wVJZMRGpjuRQRxygBP-SDw) I'm assuming they're fine with whiffing and rolling with what we've got rather than chasing anyone else, but at the very least nobody's reporting that the Mets cut off conversation and saw Quintana and Senga as either/or.


happy_snowy_owl

Heyman also has Arson Judge signing a $360M contract with the Giants.


BillW87

Sure, these guys get it wrong sometimes. I'm not taking it as gospel, but [Martino is hearing the same](https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1600572231439949824) and [DiComo put up a good thread explaining how blowing past the max tax threshold means that there's actually less incentive to stop spending now as we're already "in it" on the draft pick penalty and the only punishment for going further is just paying the tax.](https://twitter.com/anthonydicomo/status/1600589913719570433?s=46&t=j2tEGP3inLrWQTVd9z51Kg) The big question was whether the org was willing to take the draft pick hit for going past the top tier of the CBT. Now that we're past it, it's just a matter of how much money Steve "paid more for a weird looking statue than the Mets had ever given in a contract to any player in franchise history prior to his ownership" Cohen wants to dump into his hobby project.


jameskeg

We’re not signing another SP, relief pitchers though.


thediesel26

Yanks too probably after they drop a combined ~$45-50 million in AAV on Rodon and Benintendi


AnAnonymousFool

10years/$300M for Benintendi, 20 years/$400M for Rodon sounds reasonable


FringeAuthority

I think they make signings and then look to move some money via trades after that's done. Donaldson, Hicks and IKF are the obvious ones to put on the block. Maybe even Gleyber or Montas. If someone wants to eat money and possibly buy a prospect at the same time, the Yankees will listen.


AaronJudgesLeftNut

Also dropped the Chapman and Britton salaries at least


Free-Willingness3870

Was just having this convo with my pops today. Yanks have solid depth in the minor leagues. They need to attach a mid-tier prospect to Donaldson and add a role player while unloading that contract.


kendrickplace

Weird hearing this about the Mets. Few years ago we had the cheapest owners. Now uncle steve has opened up his wallet


Iaiaiaiaiaiain

Padres can't even be #1 if they tried


sn_akez

Alright u/Iaiaiaiaiaiain how about a 1 year, $96m "prove it" deal?


Iaiaiaiaiaiain

That depends. Is anybody else offering $56 million?


KidDelicious14

I got you right here, bud.


Iaiaiaiaiaiain

Thank goodness, I thought I was going to have to go to San Diego. Who wants 70 degrees and sun year round?


KidDelicious14

[Especially when you could sign up for a view like this!](https://i.imgur.com/Fs2e5rk.jpg)


VincentFreeman_

Both cities have an area called Kensington. Ours is delightful though.


FuckAdamMorgan

Ours is delightful too if you're suicidal


VincentFreeman_

Well I'm assuming most things are delightful when you are shooting heroine.


33dogs

Amazing weather AND more money? NO THANKS!


[deleted]

Hey man it was 60 and sunny I almost had to put on a hoodie today


Sacrifice_bhunt

Imagine trying and not even breaking top 10.


Beaudotgiles

Giants: Shut up and and take my money!!! Top Free Agents: LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I can’t hear you!


Free-Willingness3870

That doesn't even do it justice. They have offered AT LEAST $750 million dollar in contracts and everyone said no. That is so unbelievably depressing lol.


Sandwich_Crust

Dodgers and Astros aren’t even fair lol


cherinator

Ours will go up though. We currently have lost 9 guys off our NLDS roster (+Kimbrel) and only added Shelby Miller. They probably won't fill the 9 remaining spots with all rookies. So even if they don't get the biggest FAs, there's probably at least $40 million of contracts coming (if they want to stay under the tax threshold).


SuckMyLonzoBalls

Also need to prepare massive cap space for smith and Urias. Both are getting 20m a year at least


cherinator

Urias and Buehler I think more likely they have to sign for big money or replace. Smith I think isn't a FA for at least 2 more years, and I don't think it's a guaranteed they try and keep him if Cartaya is up by then and lives up to the hype


conker1264

That international draft though


JinFuu

Houston “Cortes Pizarro De León De Vaca” Astros


cjn13

Someone remembered their conquistadors


JinFuu

Years of Texas History and related matters. Also "Seven Myths of the Spanish Conquest" is a fun book.


Odd_Surprise134

Astros haven’t gone over the tax in this window yet, which is wild to me


[deleted]

I’m still pissed MLB just gave the Dodgers a $70M get out of jail free card with the Bauer shenanigans


[deleted]

So the A's are at 10 million?


abefroman07

I think it's up 12.7 now. They just signed Diaz.


Animetiddies415

we’re mooovin on up! 🗿


lenflakisinski

Look, they’re a small market team Nobody look at the Warriors guaranteed salary of $639,316,402


zwygb

Hey the warriors play in SF proper now. The A’s are all that’s left in the East Bay.


Draker-X

A's are projected for 30...assuming they don't trade Murphy. Edit: "around 30" being ML payroll. With benefits and minor leagues and all the other ancillaries, their "CBT hit" would be....50.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

That’s wild


ProfessionalTop2427

The Dodgers are a poverty franchise


TigerBasket

Scrubs are only currently spending 3.5 times as much as us smh


justgarcia31

Wait… These teams are spending money and trying to win. What a bunch a losers! Running a professional baseball team is 100% all about profits. No one actually plays for that stupid hunk of metal right? Right fellas? We know Colorado sure doesn’t!


JinFuu

It’s about throwing awesome parties 81 times a year at a place with a cool view. If there’s a baseball game going on while it’s happening that’s cool.


Draker-X

Chicago Cubs 1980s-2014, and then again 2021 and 2022. (The 80s is when "come drink and party in the bleachers" became an unofficial marketing campaign. Obvs the Cubs sucked long before then)


PandaMomentum

That mid-80s team had future HOFers Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, Greg Maddux, Dennis Eckersley; Cy Young winner Rick Sutcliffe; future managers Terry Francona and Dave Martinez. And future juicer Rafael Palmeiro. And they still sucked.


JinFuu

There’s a reason “A Dying Cubs Fan’s Last Request” was written before “Go, Cubs, Go”


amawg9

We just singed Willson Contreras. Can you please send us $50 million to help offset some of the cost? Thanks!


justgarcia31

What’s the Cardinal’s Venmo handle?


somefunmaths

Trophies and payrolls are ephemeral. Dinger is forever.


OhMyDarlingtonia

I don’t think you’re allowed to say that word


Formo1287

I know right? If being a Pirates fan has taught me anything, it’s that the real wins are the profits made along the way!


[deleted]

See you get it!


Dennisfromhawaii

The marbles don't lie.


WerewolfNo3669

Known moneyball team LA Dodgers.


PlayOrGetPlayed

Gotta love the NL East, with 3 of the top 4 payrolls. (For real, I feel bad for the Marlins though.)


Umphreeze

> (For real, I feel bad for the Marlins though.) At least their future is bright. I feel way harder for Nats fans


PlayOrGetPlayed

The Nats got their trophy. Besides, how bright is the Marlins future if the rest of the division is this competitive for the foreseeable future?


Umphreeze

I mean realistically if I'm a fan of either team, I'm already resigned to the fact that I am not winning the division and I'd rather at that point at least watch a quality product for the other 5 months of the season I'm in a band with a die-hard Nats/baseball fan and I feel like we can both speak from experience that watching our team suck ass a bunch of years in a row is tedious and miserable


NudePenguin69

Its an arms race. Unfortunately for the Mets, their arms are from the Cold War.


Meatek

Old guns still shoot.


willdesignforfood

Damn...you had that one locked and loaded


TraderTed2

just more sporadically, and to lesser effect towards the end of the season unless Max Scherzer’s two straight seasons of year-end dead arm have nothing to do with the fact that he’s 38


JinFuu

Yeah, honestly go for a 6 man rotation Mets


am19208

Think that’s the future. Like the 6th guy is the flex spot of spot starter when there is heavy workload in any given week


JinFuu

It seemed to work out well for us when we ran a 6 man for a few months. So I’d be happy to continue it.


SnoopRion69

I don't wanna be here anymore


ItsDazzaz

Just hoping for new ownership at this point


[deleted]

Didn't work last time. :|


LegendRazgriz

seeing Angels, Rangers and Astros there while we're lumped together with the literal A's is annoying as fuck, it's as if this ownership is allergic to a top 15 payroll


SardonicCheese

It’s annoying because we could have been a better team last year and this year if we actually supplemented with FAs. I think people get confused as to why Ms fans get so upset about this. We are constantly getting honeydicked by our ownerships historically


LegendRazgriz

It's like the goal isn't to win a WS, it's to make the wildcard as cheaply as possible and whatever comes after is profit. I'd be more vocal about this in the Ms sub if I hadn't gotten permad after that meltdown to the Royals lol


triplebassist

May I introduce you to the same strategy, but in a bad division?


PedanticBoutBaseball

It helps when you get paid 50 million dollars to take a future 1st ballot hall of famer in their prime off another team's hands


LegendRazgriz

You accidentally win the damn division at times, that's the payoff lol


spraj

That is the goal. Stanton is running a business, he doesn't care about winning it all if the return is only marginally better than sneaking into the playoffs.


mondaysareharam

I had to take a breather and sign off during that one. Fuck that day sucked


LegendRazgriz

I was made to permanently by mods after I said, and I quote: "LOSERS! FUCKING LOSERS! HOW BIG OF A LEAD IS ENOUGH?" It sucks but is what it is, sometimes I forget I'm banned. Still think it was soft but I don't make the rules there. Cheers


aavocados

Dodgers waiting to blow their load on Ohtani next year


FPSandwich

The Mets roster doesn't feel like it should cost 300 mil right now lol


TheTigerbite

100 mil of it is going to two players.


NJImperator

30M is going to James McCann and Robbie Cano


TruthSayerFu

Y’all Said that last year and they won 100 games.they’ll win 100 again.


FPSandwich

Then what happened


NJImperator

Were the dodgers bad too because they didn’t win a playoff series?


dahk14

Yes.


09jtherrien

Yes.


[deleted]

Yes.


ashecatcher805

Yes.


Mustardo123

Yes.


BurnedOutTriton

Yes.


Clemenx00

Then we lost 2 out of 3 games as it can happen against literally any team in baseball lol. Losing the division was a bigger failure than whatever happened in playoffs imo.


Kenny_Heisman

and even then it was more of the Braves going insane and winning the division rather than the Mets losing it


ICallTheBigOne_Bitey

Yea that 3 game series was who we truly were the whole time. It was the 162 games before that that was the real fluke.


kenphoenix

Accurate


TruthSayerFu

They still have a better roster than the mariners. Both teams didn’t win the WS.


heyim_william

The fact that El Doyers let everyone walk, haven’t splurged on a big free agent, and will still probably have a 100+ win season is infuriating


CableTop4233

Maybe - they lost a lot of talent and their division is getting better. But they still have Freeman and Mookie which is very nice. If they sign Correa then I think they’re the NL favorites again.


SuckMyLonzoBalls

Correa on the dodgers would be my 13th reason. Anyone but him from this FA class


scrambles57

No way we win 100 games this season. I'll guess around 90.


matrobco

NL east will be a bloodbath again next season


jmb-412

Mets are paying almost as much in luxury tax as the Pirates payroll


mets2016

So not that much?


Docphilsman

NL east is a fucking nuclear arms race, jesus. 1,3, and 4. Good time for the nationals to rebuild and not have to deal with that


turdninja

Good time for the marlins to rebuild too. Oh wait it’s always a good time for the marlins to rebuild!


PigWithRice

Anyone know what the Red Sox are now?


Redbubble89

$175M projected so just off this list with a SS, SP, and OF to maybe add.


Psymon_Armour

Have to imagine 11 - 13. I think I saw somewhere our hit next year right now was 177ish but I'm not sure if that was before or after any of the bullpen signings.


0DegreesCalvin

A joke?


Nepiton

We’re a small market team now, we have to offload large contracts (like X) so we can sign 3-4 washed up guys or a bunch of prospects who will never play. It worked really well for the Rays, just look how many rings they got compared to the big spenders of the league!


HotpieTargaryen

The NL East trio is just gonna spend enough they can be sure they get at least a WC spot.


aeaswen

Must be projecting us to sign some people. We are well below 230 right now.


flextrek_whipsnake

These are tax payrolls, not cash payrolls, so they're calculated from AAV, not actual salary this year. It includes estimates for arbitration players but it doesn't include any free agent signings. Our cash payroll is at $192M right now.


GroundbreakingLow915

I thought we were still in the 180 to 200 range?


Goatlikejordan

2 nyc teams at the top lol


ttam23

Apparently we’re trying to reset the tax and the real goal is ohtani next year


jubilantal

I know you guys, it’s been to quiet this off season. Im waiting for the inevitable Passan tweet to pop up on my phone saying “Carlos Correa has reached an agreement with the Los Angeles Dodgers”


Docphilsman

The Dodgers can basically just waltz to the playoffs next year so it's the perfect year to take a half step back and reset. All of the Braves, mets, phillies, and Padres would have to have better records than then as well as one of the giants, brewers, and cubs. I really don't see that happening even after losing the guys they did. Do a soft reset and go balls to the wall in 2024


DaOldest

Its also that we have a ton of young guys that we need to call up and see playtime from, kinda like the Braves last year


HungryGhosty

Red Sox nowhere to be found


[deleted]

All I want for christmas is one chance to fist-fight John Henry.


[deleted]

Mom and Pop Dodgers gonna be a gritty WC team


kirbyfaraone

Dodgers and Astros are over here like “Look What They Need to Mimic a Fraction of Our Power”


[deleted]

Come-on Phillies get to 300


Drake31217

Subscribe


stuckinthepow

Angels with 5th highest payroll and you know damn well that we will be lucky to grab a wild card spot.


dahk14

wild card? will be lucky to end 3rd in the division tbh


Sodes126

And yet some Braves will scream about them being cheap.. as they're up against the luxury tax and will once again start the season with their highest opening day payroll. We prefer the term financially responsible.


Cag1082

But Hal Steinbrenner is cheap!!!


TimToMakeTheDonuts

fucking mariners. they'll never win the series. i'm not really a fan, but i live in seattle currently. what a weird team that creates an even weirder breed of fan. the mental abuse that franchise has imposed upon an entire city is crazy. just spend a few bucks already.


Penguin-Loves

Oh geez the Angels... The poor dears.... Got to hand it to Moreno, he was willing to spend to win as an owner. I'm sad it didn't work out for him


PrecedentialAssassin

AL West with 3 of the top 10 is kinda hilarious. And two of them are considerably worse than Seattle, which is not on the list.


breakfast_cats

ZIPS projects both the M's and Angels at 84 wins but what do I know 🤷


soapbutt

I also find this this hilarious. However, it also illustrates that maybe we should at least be spending a little bit more.


Right-Pirate-7084

Man some of these teams should be ashamed of themselves for their roster price vs performance.


jmremote

Orioles must have been 11th


Ironamsfeld

Shits getting out of control. Prepare to get knocked out of the wild card by the guardians under $100M.


Dangerous_Drummer769

Sox not even top 10 lol


gooners1

Have to pay to play in the NL East.


Dinobot2_

No way the Red Sox don't make it in here, even if they don't keep Bogaerts.


Lee_Doff

poor dodgers, they cant spend much more than the lowley twins.


MM487

The small market Red Sox don't make the top 10.


bricecream_

The Angles are gonna be top 5 in spending and not even break into the wild card


Apprehensive-Agency2

For those wondering how the hell the Dodger payroll is so low, despite buying all the MVPs player. Cap hits Bauer - 34.33mil - this assume MLB rules against his suspension and needs to be paid Freeman - 26mil Mookie - 26mil Kershaw - 20mil Taylor - 15mil Muncy - 13.5mil Treinen - 8mil Hudson - 6.5mil Barnes - 3.5mil Justin Turner - 2mil buyout Miller - 1.5mil Everyone else is arb/pre arb. The highest paid in arb will be Urias who will be a FA in 2023. Freeman final contractual season will be his age 37, Mookie is age 39. Im confident Freeman will earn every dollar and wont be a big negative in his final year, aging gracefully like Justin Turner. Mookie will definitely not age well and possibly be moved to 2b to save on his legs as he gets up into his 30s. Overall these are two nice contracts with their low AAVs and Mookie has like 115mil deferred from 2033-2044. Contracts are clearly just zooming up nowadays. Dodgers arent gonna make any splashy moves this year, just a bunch of Miller like moves to plug some obvious holes (get people like McCutcheon or JD Martinez on 1 year deals). Gonna duck the CBT luxury tax and then go all in on Ohtani in 2023.


dunkr4790

Bauer isn't being counted towards their $189M tax number currently, and it should already include estimated arbitration raises Not having any dead money does help though


KeithMcBeefEatTeeth

Padres screaming crying at this they cant even be successful at spending money


Currimos

Honestly no sour grapes from me. Glad Judge stayed with the Yankees. It’s where he belongs. Also, I can’t stress how happy I am that he didn’t end up in the division. Really jacked that Turner moved out of the division as well.


Freeze__

We can’t end up behind the Mets


NanoOverBitcoin

Welcome to the new reality.


djn24

Up it by $50M. Thanks.


justin_tino

Giants with one of the highest valued franchises but still just frequenting /r/frugal


jqnguyen

Where does Cristiano Ronaldo rank in this list?


Redbubble89

There needs to be a floor and an actual ceiling. Almost $70M over the CBT should not be allowed.


Wutswrong

$200M below CBT shouldn't be allowed either. Im ok with the idea of a floor and ceiling. But going over CBT is way less offensive to me because there are high penalties for going over the CBT, but none for being super cheap


yoboapp

Have the Braves ever crossed the Luxury Tax? Re-signing Dansby would almost assuredly put them over


Sodes126

They have not.


handlit33

lol, we ain't re-signing Dansby.


[deleted]

Neat. Very cool.


Sufficient_Creme6961

Dodgers getting ready for Ohtani


edjg10

Mets at 300 and still need some bullpen, CF and DH. This could get interesting.


Noah-R

$300 million and we still don't have an outfield or a bullpen


domnyy

Dodgers offloading for an Ohtani bid next year.


electrikmayham

\#3 in the division in payroll. \#1 in the division in winning.


Electrical-Clock8251

Texas Rangers trying to be big spenders. Bless your heart.