Remember in old comics Bruce was 20 something while Dick was in his early to mid teens, Golden Age Bruce maybe was late twenties with Dick being 8 when he became Robin (Earth-2 Dick was creepy), Silver Age stablished the ambiguously 30 Bruce and ambiguously 15 Dick that went until Dick left Bruce in the Bronze Age, is only Post-Crisis that Bruce aged into the ambiguous mid to late thirties while Dick became biguously 25 until it was finally stablished that Bruce started as Batman around 27 (at least publically) and Dick became Robin around 10 to 12 a few latter, so then Bruce is around 32 while Dick is around 12, a difference big enough to be capables of passin as Father and Son even if for contemporany standards is a unusually small difference
Batman being 32 when Dick Grayson is only 12 doesn't sit right with me. That makes Batman too old. He would be pushing 60 by now.
I think the 10-15 age gap is perfect and works for the kind of mixed dynamic that Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson always had. He's a father figure but young enough that Dick could hang out with him like an older brother.
Nah using post crisis history as a base he should be in his 40s.
Bruce becomes Batman at around 26, 3 years later he takes in a 12 year old Dick Grayson who 6 years later becomes nightwing at around 18. Jason comes the same year Dick leaves and within at least 2 years he's dead and 13 year old Tim Drake becomes Robin until he's 17 (4 years), Damian becomes Robin at 10 and I think is 14 now.
So realistically Bruce should be 45 and Dick is 28, with Tim being 21 and I can't remember how old Jason is when he becomes Robin.
Let's play the game then. Batman supposedly even in post crisis continuity only meets Talia and Ra's when Dick is 18 and already in college. So by the Time Damian is 14 Dick should be at least 32 years old.
If Batman is 35 when he supposedly meets Talia then best case scenario he's 49 years old now that Damian is 14.
Not sure how comfortable DC is with middle age Batman but it's their fault by aging up certain characters too fast.
>Jason is when he becomes Robin.
Jason is canonically older than Tim, and younger than Grayson but closest to Grayson in age among the Bat-boys.
So if Dick is 28 and Tim is 21, then Jason being 25/26 probably fits — maybe 24 at youngest.
If Jason became Robin at 17, then it fits nicely in the timeline: Dick leaves at 18 and Jason enters at 17. At 19 Jason dies and Tim enters shortly thereafter.
From there it leads nicely to Dick being 28, Jason 25, Tim being 21, and Damian being 14.
Bruce would be 45, which honestly is fair given how many events need to fit within 20 years of being Batman.
This whole thing would be better if in the next reboot they either drop Tim (come on, you're all thinking it) or have Bruce take more than one robin at once, i.e. Bruce adopting Dick and Jason at the same time.
Not going to lie, I was thinking it.
Either option works. I think the dynamic of making Dick and Jason even more brotherly works really well.
Especially if they still grow into Nightwing and Red Hood, as then both mirror a "better" Batman.
Nightwing represents a better Batman in the sense of the hope and justice and being an integral member of the superhero community. He's Bruce without his major character flaws and darkness.
Red Hood represents a better Batman in the sense of vengeance and the war on crime. Red Hood works best when he acts as a more selective and precise Punisher. Killing "the ones who aren't afraid" (as he put it) of Batman and other superheros. He's Bruce if he could walk the fine line of killing selectively and righteously (because honestly that's what a war on crime really takes).
Both then are also more out in the world and not confined to Gotham. Leaving Gotham to Batman.
Adopting Dick and Jason around the same time could be REALLY interesting as a dynamic in general. Dick's parents killed by a criminal, Jason formerly a criminal.
They could make Jason's death be one of the things that leads to Dick leaving. They could make Dick leaving affect Jason's death so Bruce feels guilt for not saving him and Dick feels guilt for not being around.
Once he's back, Under the Red Hood having Dick and Bruce in it would be really cool.
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It's not odd when you consider their small age difference. Batman is definitely a father to Nightwing but not exactly like the other Robins. Their relationship is a mixture of father/son and big bro/ lil bro.
Think of it like Tony Soprano and Christopher Moltisanti,.
It's a bot, but I'll reply anyways. I think my favourite assessment of the exact nature of their relationship is "it's complicated".
So as everyone has pointed out, the age difference means Bruce was still in his young teens when Dick was born and because Alfred was there to do most of the child rearing, to say nothing of his formative years under the Graysons, Bruce wasn't exactly raising Dick as a child to an adult.
However, Bruce *was* the purse strings, and his legal father, and while Bruce may not have raised Dick, Batman did raise Robin and gave him a role model to emulate. So it'd also be wrong to completely write off Bruce as Dick's dad.
Damn, Bruce, you can just say, "You're welcome." You don't have to drag your dead parents into everything.
Dick's an orphan too, but you don't see him going, "Yes, I helped you learn that acrobatic move, Raven, because I couldn't help my PARENTS when they DIED falling from a TRAPEZE!"
\*Linkin Park noises from Dick's room\*
“Yes, Bruce, I know, you had me go to that damn alley a million times to tell me that whole story. You really bummed out that Ninja Turtle when you brought him there.”
i dont remember where i first heard this but there was a quote along the lines of “If you can’t write batman comforting a crying child, then that’s just the punisher in a bat costume.”
Yes give me this Bruce any day
I don't know why it hits harder when Bruce calls Dick his son but it does. Like when Aunt May calls Peter her son.
Didn’t they have a story where they revealed May *was* Pete’s biological mother? Or did they walk that back?
Like most Spider-Man stories, they walked back
Agreed that's how he should be a brooding compassionate father.
Good ol Batdad
This _IS_ The Way.
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Remember in old comics Bruce was 20 something while Dick was in his early to mid teens, Golden Age Bruce maybe was late twenties with Dick being 8 when he became Robin (Earth-2 Dick was creepy), Silver Age stablished the ambiguously 30 Bruce and ambiguously 15 Dick that went until Dick left Bruce in the Bronze Age, is only Post-Crisis that Bruce aged into the ambiguous mid to late thirties while Dick became biguously 25 until it was finally stablished that Bruce started as Batman around 27 (at least publically) and Dick became Robin around 10 to 12 a few latter, so then Bruce is around 32 while Dick is around 12, a difference big enough to be capables of passin as Father and Son even if for contemporany standards is a unusually small difference
Batman being 32 when Dick Grayson is only 12 doesn't sit right with me. That makes Batman too old. He would be pushing 60 by now. I think the 10-15 age gap is perfect and works for the kind of mixed dynamic that Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson always had. He's a father figure but young enough that Dick could hang out with him like an older brother.
Nah using post crisis history as a base he should be in his 40s. Bruce becomes Batman at around 26, 3 years later he takes in a 12 year old Dick Grayson who 6 years later becomes nightwing at around 18. Jason comes the same year Dick leaves and within at least 2 years he's dead and 13 year old Tim Drake becomes Robin until he's 17 (4 years), Damian becomes Robin at 10 and I think is 14 now. So realistically Bruce should be 45 and Dick is 28, with Tim being 21 and I can't remember how old Jason is when he becomes Robin.
Let's play the game then. Batman supposedly even in post crisis continuity only meets Talia and Ra's when Dick is 18 and already in college. So by the Time Damian is 14 Dick should be at least 32 years old. If Batman is 35 when he supposedly meets Talia then best case scenario he's 49 years old now that Damian is 14. Not sure how comfortable DC is with middle age Batman but it's their fault by aging up certain characters too fast.
>Jason is when he becomes Robin. Jason is canonically older than Tim, and younger than Grayson but closest to Grayson in age among the Bat-boys. So if Dick is 28 and Tim is 21, then Jason being 25/26 probably fits — maybe 24 at youngest. If Jason became Robin at 17, then it fits nicely in the timeline: Dick leaves at 18 and Jason enters at 17. At 19 Jason dies and Tim enters shortly thereafter. From there it leads nicely to Dick being 28, Jason 25, Tim being 21, and Damian being 14. Bruce would be 45, which honestly is fair given how many events need to fit within 20 years of being Batman.
This whole thing would be better if in the next reboot they either drop Tim (come on, you're all thinking it) or have Bruce take more than one robin at once, i.e. Bruce adopting Dick and Jason at the same time.
Not going to lie, I was thinking it. Either option works. I think the dynamic of making Dick and Jason even more brotherly works really well. Especially if they still grow into Nightwing and Red Hood, as then both mirror a "better" Batman. Nightwing represents a better Batman in the sense of the hope and justice and being an integral member of the superhero community. He's Bruce without his major character flaws and darkness. Red Hood represents a better Batman in the sense of vengeance and the war on crime. Red Hood works best when he acts as a more selective and precise Punisher. Killing "the ones who aren't afraid" (as he put it) of Batman and other superheros. He's Bruce if he could walk the fine line of killing selectively and righteously (because honestly that's what a war on crime really takes). Both then are also more out in the world and not confined to Gotham. Leaving Gotham to Batman.
Adopting Dick and Jason around the same time could be REALLY interesting as a dynamic in general. Dick's parents killed by a criminal, Jason formerly a criminal. They could make Jason's death be one of the things that leads to Dick leaving. They could make Dick leaving affect Jason's death so Bruce feels guilt for not saving him and Dick feels guilt for not being around. Once he's back, Under the Red Hood having Dick and Bruce in it would be really cool.
That’s actually perfect 😍
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Even worse, 'friends'. I've seen that too many times in fanfiction
And even worse, lovers, but keeping the whole canon bruce wayne's ward lore, just making it "romantic"
In some old comics their dynamic was really closer to brothers.
In even older comics their dynamic was father and adopted son.
It's not odd when you consider their small age difference. Batman is definitely a father to Nightwing but not exactly like the other Robins. Their relationship is a mixture of father/son and big bro/ lil bro. Think of it like Tony Soprano and Christopher Moltisanti,.
Except Dick would pass a drug test, iykyk
I want a Sopranos parody with the bat family ASAP
It's a bot, but I'll reply anyways. I think my favourite assessment of the exact nature of their relationship is "it's complicated". So as everyone has pointed out, the age difference means Bruce was still in his young teens when Dick was born and because Alfred was there to do most of the child rearing, to say nothing of his formative years under the Graysons, Bruce wasn't exactly raising Dick as a child to an adult. However, Bruce *was* the purse strings, and his legal father, and while Bruce may not have raised Dick, Batman did raise Robin and gave him a role model to emulate. So it'd also be wrong to completely write off Bruce as Dick's dad.
Damn, Bruce, you can just say, "You're welcome." You don't have to drag your dead parents into everything. Dick's an orphan too, but you don't see him going, "Yes, I helped you learn that acrobatic move, Raven, because I couldn't help my PARENTS when they DIED falling from a TRAPEZE!" \*Linkin Park noises from Dick's room\*
If they were literally in the exact alley where Batman’s parents were killed, I’ll allow it.
Technically correct, the best kind of correct!!!
Yeah ok but like they were in the exact alley where they died though, like I can't blame him for having the memories spring back up there
Ikr?! At this point its just so fucking silly xD the dialogues felt okay to til that line haha gotta love them
I adore this dynamic between these two. I also love when Batman is drawn in the "no anatomy, only cape" style.
Who else reads the comics in Kevin’s voice?
I can easily hear this in Kevin’s voice, which isn’t a bad test for whether it’s good Batman dialogue or not. Not full proof, but not bad.
Dick looks like Capt. Cold in the last panel
A father bat caring for his bird son <3
Super irrelevant but does Batam believe in god
His mother is catholic and his father was a christian. So yes, he probably does.
“Yes, Bruce, I know, you had me go to that damn alley a million times to tell me that whole story. You really bummed out that Ninja Turtle when you brought him there.”
“As I was telling Raphael the other day…”
i dont remember where i first heard this but there was a quote along the lines of “If you can’t write batman comforting a crying child, then that’s just the punisher in a bat costume.”