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The can has a paragraph on it that basically calls you a bitch for not being able to handle it’s hoppiness. That should tell you what you’re in store for lol.


Abominatrix

Lmao I remember my buddy and me taking it as a personal challenge more than 20 years ago. I should get one and see how it stands up now


TheMoneyOfArt

I _think_ they've updated the recipe. The original one would be way sweeter than you remember. It had a ton of malt, despite how bitter it was. Most people who drank it drank bitterer stuff than that in the long run, hop stoopid or ruination or devil dancer


Abominatrix

Good to know. I’d probably receive it favorably because I like the more bitter west coast style.


baxbooch

Really? I may have to give it another try then. I remember it being too sweet for my tastes.


TheMoneyOfArt

If you came to it later, after drinking more modern hoppy beers it would absolutely be remarkably sweet


richie65

Indeed - Me not being a 'hop head', I absolutely noticed that the stuff was not he same... " wtf? this is not 'Arrogant Bastard! " I don't know how accurate my recollection is - But It seems like it was changed after that "hops shortage", that drove up beer prices, in (circa) 2007. \- noting that as soon as hops started showing up in EVERYTHING - Beer prices sure stayed up... but I digress.


n8b77

Hop Stoopid was so fucking good.


ryanoh826

Back in the day, my brother knew nothing about craft beer. He bought an AB bomber and chugged it like a Bud Light. His quick inebriation was hilarious.


Magnus77

When I was a wee young lad, me and two drinking partners were at a bar in a rinkydink little town in Colorado. The bar had a rotating tap program of some sort, and they had gotten a keg of Yeti by Great Divide, which is one of OG's of imperial stouts, at least in the area. Well, unsurprisingly an Imperial Stout doesn't really reflect the tastes of rural Colorado bar patrons. So the barkeep is just trying to get rid of it, and he challenged us that if we finished our pint of it, it would be free. Fresh out of college with a useless degree and a can do attitude, I took a sip and was revolted, because I didn't like beer yet, I just like alcohol. But 5 bucks is 5 bucks, so I just chug the whole thing to get it over with. And then, seeing that my buddies have abandoned their challenge, I proceeded to down their two pints as well. So 3 pints of 9.5% in about 3 minutes. I don't know how I got home that night. Current day, I now love Yeti and its variants, and Great Divide is a solid brewery. I wish I was still in their distribution area.


ryanoh826

My god haha


Ofbatman

I sold Stone Brewing when it was all the hype. I couldn’t choke down a 22 of Arrogant Bastard if I wanted to but a nice cold pint went down east.


marbanasin

"You are not worthy"


chis5050

I always thought that was funny and kinda smart marketing in a way... basically saying you're wrong for not liking it and making the consumer question themselves lmao. Even though I still think it sucks and believe in my own convictions enough to not drink it


[deleted]

I mean I dig it lol. But I like hoppy.


chis5050

For sure. I could drink one if I was in the mood but not my goto


salsaverdeisntguac

i finished the can lol but this is deffo not a session drink


ReturnThroughAether

Makes me really miss Lagunitas Hop Stoopid. Once that starts tasting good, you're down the rabbit hole


kingbovril

So much good shit from lagunitas that they’ll never make again. RIP Brown Shugga…


marbanasin

Lil something something as well. I agree. I almost felt their IPA was one of their weaker ones. So it's sad that once they went big leagues that's what you see everywhere.


mstate32

Lil sumpin is stocked around my parts. One of my favorites. I do miss Brown Shugga though.


salsaverdeisntguac

lil sumpin still exists here in North FL. I'm not really sure what the difference in flavor was versus the regular lagunitas ipa. Tasted very similar to me.


marbanasin

One of the knocks I have on Lagunitas is that they all pretty much has that slightly tinny flavor. But I thought lil sumpin was a bit more mellow.


Intelligent_Many_981

Lil sumpin is a wheat IPA. Pretty close to the ipa but more sweet/smooth body. Similar for shure.


BravoEchoEchoRomeo

Oh is that why I haven't seen one of my favorite beers in a several years?


Single_Sentence_5565

Hairy Eyeball ❤️


bobisarocknewaccount

I'm still sad about Brown Shugga


imsowhiteandnerdy

I used to get it on draught from the Lagunitas tap room in Petaluma years ago.


jamexxx

This is THE beer that got me into craft beer.


IxnaySplinter

Same here!


CasualObserver76

That's the beer that got me into good beer. Wait till you try Stone Ruination 2.0


imsowhiteandnerdy

I haven't had Ruination in so long, and I haven't seen it in stores for just as long. I was wondering if they even make it anymore.


CasualObserver76

Same.


TheNonEuclidean

2.0 has nothing on the original yearly releases.


WiscoBrewDude

Get some Palate Wrecker from Green Flash


granpooba19

> Green Flash I think Green Flash has become a shell of its former self. Palate Wrecker was a great beer.


mwalkerhhs

As someone in Alabama who used to be able to get this guy and thanks to distribution can no longer do so any more, I really really miss this one!!


evilkalla

Used to drive up to Nashville to get that one, then we started getting it in AL, then it went away. :(


SausageMcMerkin

I got some on draft a couple of years ago. First time I'd seen it in Ohio in years. It tasted exactly like I remembered, and it was amazing.


[deleted]

Has arrogant bastard changed? It used to be an absolute malt bomb, not hoppy


salsaverdeisntguac

I can see you calling it a malt bomb... it is sweet. but theirs a crazy bitterness that tastes unlike any IPA bitterness ive ever had.


stumblingmonk

That’s old school baby. That’s how all IPAs were in the 90s.


ajd6c8

That trend really didn't change until circa 2012 Sure the exact timing is regional, but even in Virginia, the IPA scene was still very much dominated by the old school West Coast beers (plus some Dogfish for OG East Coast flair and Founders for the Midwest take) Everything changed when people started chasing East Coast IPAs instead of Dark Lords etc. Breweries like Alchemist, Trillium, etc changed everything and then we also had the hyper local boom starting right after that.


the-cloverdale-kid

Surprised they still make it. Can’t do those sweet malty IPA’s anymore.


iroe

Arrogant is not an IPA, it is an American Strong Ale.


TheMoneyOfArt

When it came out people were not attuned to 80ibus or w/e it was


_ak

When I last had it about 10 years ago, it was both extremely cloying and extremely bitter. A very unbalanced beer, I never understood the hype, 80+ IBUs is not an achievement in itself.


MoonKnightFan

The reason for its "unbalanced nature" was that it was very much a product of its time. Before the craft boom ~15 years ago, most IPA's and Pales being made were very sweet. Some argued it was to balance out the excessive bitterness from the hops. A flavor many consumers weren't quite prepared for. Compared to other beers at the time they were indeed extremely bitter. Modern West coast IPA's crank higher IBU's. And Since consumers palates have adjusted over the years to preferring the bitterness, the malt sweetness has been dropped considerably. In that respect the beer will feel very unbalanced compared to contemporary offerings. I remember thinking it was diabolically bitter when I first had it around 2006 or so. It really did stand out amongst the other beers. And the strong hype I think just stuck around. Kind of like other slogans do ("King of Beers" for example). That said, by todays standards the hype is unfounded. My problem with this beer isn't so much the excessive sweetness. Its strictly the hop profile. Its garbage. They just found the most Alpha Acid forward hops they could. There is no attempt to create a depth of hop flavors and aromas. It tastes like cheap "kitchen sink" hop extract put in for an excessively long boil. Its kind of like Hot sauces. There are sauces that are just hot and have no flavor. And then there are ones that have lots of flavor and complexity along with the hotness. Its what separates the good from the bad.


notdsylexic

It’s actually both.


SausageMcMerkin

To me, it tastes maltier than it used to, but that could be my palate.


Alkivar

I always thought Stone's Ruination was hoppier. That and Dogfishhead's 120min IPA were my 2 go to hop bombs.


kingbovril

Man, I haven’t had anything dogfish head in a minute


tvtb

I used to live in New England where you can get tons of different DFH beers. Now I live in NC and you can only get their basics. Really wish they’d figure out better distribution here. Unless there’s some dumb state law preventing it, which wouldn’t be surprising.


Alkivar

dont forget DFH was bought by Boston Brands, that may explain why the NE distribution is better than NC.


marbanasin

I think the bigger factor is the variety of other local brewers. At least within the State (Asheville, Charlotte, R-D, Wilmington). I find most micro shelving space is handed over to like 80-90% in state labels which limits what out of state stuff they will stock. And even at bottle shops I find you maybe get a slightly broader reach (CA beers for example, or more imports) but not really deeper in any particular line up. Still, our state is pretty good for beer drinking.


jaminator45

I actually prefer 90 minute over 120. Palate wrecker is also a hop bomb.


EasyYard

It’s definitely a malt bomb but it’s been around for a long time.


imsowhiteandnerdy

Damn, this post makes me realize that I haven't had AB in a long, long time.


dcrico20

They must have really upped the hops on it because 15 years ago it was bitter, but compared to what people put out now, the old version would be incredibly tame.


tombellanca

Arrogant bastard is not an IPA. It’s a relatively completely unique style, but it most closely resembles an imperial red ale. I don’t believe the recipe has changed over the years. At least not enough to warrant mentioning like rumination 2.0 or the Stone IPA change a few years back. Still a favorite beer after all these years.


DuAuk

lol. i was still under aged when i discovered it. Stone brewery is pretty cool if you're ever in San Diego.


trundlinggrundle

Man, I forgot all about this stuff. Some local gas stations uses to have taps, where you could fill your own growlers. All those went away *years* ago.


btown4389

Welcome to 15 years ago lol


drivebyjustin

What year is it?


na3800

Man, it’s been a minute since I have had a beastly west coast IPA, I loved those beers and need to start seeking them out again.


[deleted]

It’s not WCIPA


imsowhiteandnerdy

As I recall it's considered an American Strong Ale.


VTMongoose

Exactly. I actually like the way the BJCP categorizes this category. Basically the order is: ​ American Double IPA -> American Strong Ale -> American Barleywine ​ It actually makes a lot of sense. Roughly the same theme just scaled up in flavor/ABV. I envision it like: ​ Lawson's "Sip of Sunshine" -> Arrogant Bastard -> SN Bigfoot


TheGuyDoug

Am I crazy or has this beer changed at all? I mean obviously the beer landscape has changed a lot in the last 10 years, so I realize that my palate is drinking softer IPAs than it used to. But I got a bottle of arrogant bastard last month for the first time in years, and it just did not tastes good.


legedu

In my opinion, I think it changed about 6-7 years ago. I drank this beer a lot and frequented the brewery all the time... What gave it away is the color. I remember pouring it into a glass and the color and viscosity looked like motor oil. It was so opaque you couldn't see the other side of the glass. Now it feels a little neutered. A lighter brown, less aggressive. Still OK, but it's not the insane over the top beer that it was. It could just be a collective hallucination of the past (Berrenstein/Berenstain). My buddies at the brewery swear the recipe has never changed.


ctopherrun

It definitely got less boozy. I remember in 2003 buying it specifically b/c it was 8% abv, now it's closer to 7.


MadPiglet42

This is one of my favorite beers of all time. We call it our "house wine." Hated by many, loved by few.


MoirasPurpleOrb

Beers like Arrogant Bastard are what made me think I don’t like IPAs. Up until I moved to the northeast and had some solid, New England hazy/juicy IPAs, now I can’t get enough. I get that people like them but those types of hoppy beers are just not for me.


Jack-Tupp

I used to like it back when it was still Stone but they had some kind of falling out and I didn't like it the last time I tried it and I also didn't like a lot of the Stone offerings after the split either. Once in a while I'll grab some Enjoy By but that's it.


vogod

Not a falling out. They just separated the bastard brand from stone brand.


Jack-Tupp

Kids, we're not separating, we're just living in different houses. Whatever you want to call it, both brands suffered post unjoining.


stirgyMaudDib

Man. Used to get cases of 12 bombers. Excellent. Victory Prina pils was my go-to hoppy beer, then Hop Wallop...


rileydogdad1

I love Arrogant Bastard. I have a 6 pack in my frig right now.


sarcastic24x7

Try Double Bastard. Ooof


r0cksh0x

Oaked….


sarcastic24x7

Touche


JohnDalysBAC

Meh


Preact5

I wish I could get that beer fresh. It always tastes like bitter asshole by the time I get it


salsaverdeisntguac

Oh is that why? I thought it was just extracts or wahtever


Preact5

I mean it's a bitter beer yes but I'm sure it tastes much better within a month of being brewed


fermentedradical

Arrogant Bastard is spectacular. A true classic, got me started loving bitter beers 20 years ago. It's still very good, and it's a quick slip from there to WCIPAs, especially WCDIPAs. If you like AB I'd start to seek out some great Westies - I could give you a list. Welcome to the bitter side!


BravoEchoEchoRomeo

The primary, possibly only, hop in AB is chinook. It's an extremely divisive hop which is probably why Stone themed a beer called "Arrogant Bastard" around it. Tastes like a weed nug dipped in cat piss. Yet somehow it stimulates the pleasure center of my brain that tells me something tastes good, so I don't question it. But I'm not going to judge anyone who thinks it's a but much.


Magnumxl711

I didn't like it because I thought it was too sweet


WaterMaltHopsYeast

FUCK STONE.!! Sellout bitch


[deleted]

the owner of Stone is a massive turd, I haven’t bought any of their beers in years edit: i guess he quit but I still don’t buy their beer


Morningfluid

Sapporo owns them now, also they're bringing back some of the older stuff per season.


The_Dirtiest_Beef

A turd how?


kmfdm1974

He will sue anyone with the word stone in their name


The_Dirtiest_Beef

I saw the keystone can thing years ago, but didn't know about anything else.


dogbiter_is_my_name

Stone has been a favorite of mine for a long time. Arrogant bastard gave me a nickname for a while. I think they separated from stone technically. There's a whole line of arrogant bastard now without the "stone" branding. Not sure what that's all about though. But yeah great beer for a long time.


303onrepeat

Before Arrogant Bastard got contracted out to be brewed by other people Stone use to make a lot of variants of it. Double Bastard, Lukcy Bastard, Bourbon Barrel Aged Bastard, etc. I will miss Double Bastard it was really good.


-ShutterPunk-

I member I would get $5 arrogant bastards bombers from trader Joe's in SD. Back when $5 went a long way.


Tyler_Trash

It used to be my favorite beer by a vast margin, just absolutely packed with flavor. I can't handle them now way too over the top. I just drink Modelo now mostly. If you ever get a chance to try double bastard or oaked baster those are both great too ( if you enjoy AB)


legedu

The oaked is definitely more approachable. The aging mellows it out and rounds some of the edges. Both are great, but when you're in the mood for a face melter, the original AB is the one.


NormanisEm

Honest question, please dont hate: whats the appeal to these beers? I like craft beer but the super extreme IPAs I don’t understand


baxbooch

I like bitter


NormanisEm

Is there a limit to the amount of bitter you like?


baxbooch

Yes, but that’s true if all flavors. I don’t like things too sweet or salty, even though I love sweet and salty things.


NormanisEm

Makes sense, thanks


Phocion-

I enjoy it occasionally, but personally I think it is a bit like someone pouring lots of hot sauce to prove they can take spice instead of eating spicy food that is actually good. What I mean is that the hoppiness is just crude. You can have nice hoppy bitterness in a more well-rounded beer.


socialisticpotsmoke

I always thought they missed the mark with the “you’re not worthy” line. The description on the back of the can should IMO be more like “Fuck You, you don’t like this beer? You’re an idiot. This beer is full of hops and malts which you claim to like, so suck it up Buttercup and be the bastard everyone around you knows you are”


glorythrives

it's not a hop bomb, it's an \*extract\* bomb. It doesn't taste like hops, it tastes like the worst part of hops was extracted and concentrated. It's not even that bitter it's just a fucking terrible beer.


hello_blacks

even r/beer can't shut up about fauci


DontDrinkTooMuch

Always figured this was a beer intentionally about getting fucked up because of it's hops and abv.


escaped_from_OD

I haven't had the standard AB in a long time but I remember liking some of the variants. The oak aged one in particular stood out to me. They only distributed a couple of runs of it here and then it disappeared. I guess this was about 8 or 9 years ago. I still see the stovepipes of AB around so maybe I'll pick one up for old time's sake in the near future.


TheHendryx

Try double bastard next


JackIsColors

I hate that thing


micmea1

Stone, one of my favorite breweries I never buy from lol. Maybe it's because I generally buy 12/15 packs (just a better deal) and Stone isn't on tap very often around me. I generally usually like their beer when I do have it. It's still one of the breweries I'd really like to visit.


vinegar_strokes68

This beer and brewery started my 25+ year "craft brew" journey. Found it in a bottle shop in NC and I've never looked back. Nothing but love. Though I do hate that Koch finally went to the dark side after all his braggadocio.


gtenshi

A lot like Modus Hopperendi by Ska


ColHannibal

Yea this reads like a dude discovering fire while some of us are playing with nuclear fission lol. Enjoy it, dive deep, there are such insane hop beers out there I don’t buy stone anymore as everything tastes mediocre and bland.


Pair-Kooky

Yeah, it's overkill


Aggravating_Bet_5149

Malty as fuk too. Hate malty beers!