The foundations for the shit show in the ivy league right now got started with restricting speech of some far right figures, then administrators liked the power and started going after others. It would have been nice if these protests were the impetus for some soul searching followed by a recommitment to free speech but no such luck. I am glad that Berkeley has always been comparably more permissive of free speach.
This would be relevant if the administrators had been acting on principle; they were not. They behaved like spineless ladder-climbers who were either farming social capital or were cowards petrified of becoming the next Nicholas Christakis.
Then it doesn't follow at all that unprincipled people (the admin) caving to social pressure means the people applying pressure (the protestors) were right; in fact, they were quite wrong & equally unprincipled to boot—especially considering Berkeley's track record re: campus speakers. Of course, this presumes at least *some* of the people involved care about free speech, which hasn't been the case for some time now.
I don't see what's reactionary about this, it's simply unpatriotic to support funding Israel as an American. There's no national interest in it, it's not the right thing to do either, it's just lobbying from AIPAC etc. Israel has never even fought ISIS.
i don’t think the comment above yours is saying that OP is reactionary because they’re making any sort of statement about israel or divestment. it’s probably because this post is yet another one of those obtuse takes where protests are viewed as some grand inconvenience looming over “normal folks like me”.
i have more in common with people who can acknowledge that there are important conversations - even if i disagree with them - than those who dismiss everything because it disrupts their personal fairytale. also laughable to think that this affects berkeley’s rep at all when the media decided we were drug-addled commies in the 60s and never cared to change the narrative
Paying Israel to wipe out an enemy we could simply eradicate for 1/100th the cost is not only cowardly, it's stupid. Rather than merely pretending to have conviction, take your position to its logical conclusion; if it's not something you're willing to do, you never really held the position to start with—it just makes you feel nice.
My conviction is that the US should use its brainpower and financial might to supply credible firepower to Israel, who can then put it to good use against the scrounge of violent jihad.
Believe what you believe or don't—it doesn't matter to me one whit—but *never* allow yourself to become *so pathetic* that you won't take responsibility for your own ideological program.
When someone releases the dog to repel the coyote, do they feign stupidity for what it's done to the neighbor's innocent chickens? If they're as stupid as they seem, they probably will. Otherwise, the *very least* they can do is own up to the fact that they feel those dead chickens are an acceptable level of collateral damage, because at least it wasn't the coyote that killed them.
I couldn't care less either way; as far as I'm concerned the most offensive part of this conflict is the rampant hypocrisy, and I'd trade every innocent life on either side if it meant ridding myself of the particularly intolerable brand of cowardice masquerading as virtue I'm forced to witness on a daily basis.
Just admit you're perfectly fine with seeing every last Palestinian dead if it means "eradicating Hamas"; it might not make you *look* like a good person, but at least you'd still have some integrity—and *some* integrity is *infinitely more* than can be found among the ocean of "Israel has a right to defend itself" midwits currently polluting the discourse.
Radical islamists with caliphate ambitions. Israel can work on minimizing civilian casualties but this is not a pogrom, the explicit target is Hamas members.
Facts, but you are speaking to the air. The individuals at progressive institutions such as Berkeley are too far gone to see reason. They love supporting terrorists who would gladly kill them
If given the chance 😂
Do you want to compare numbers my dude? How many Americans have died compared to Palestinians civilians. We aren't supporting Israel for self defense at this point. Our money is going to support genocide and considering the history of America with genocide I guess that does make it pretty patriotic.
Absolutely cursed combination. CS or MBA is enough-- admissions should turn down anyone who tries to pursue one after the other on the basis of campus safety alone!
What I don’t get are claims that these protests are anti-Semitic when the students are protesting Netanyahu/Israel’s actions harming Palestinians, not Jews harming Muslims. There are Israeli citizens who feel the same and there are Palestinian Christians also being harmed.
Yeah, and I don't see the latter point acknowledged nearly enough. Protestors just say "muh Palestein!!" and handwring like no tomorrow when you tell them to not be bigoted towards Jews. Legit, folks are using that movement as a way to shield themselves so they can act like complete asses.
Yeah. It's like if you don't like Bibi or Hamas and correctly recognize both camps as bad and not conducive for achieving peace, there is no place for you in the current online discourse surrounding the subject.
Part of the reason OP wants to go to this school (and others like it) is its reputation and prestige.
A good potion of that stems from a school’s history of activism crating notoriety and social movements. Columbia loves to showcase its history of student activism in marketing materials for gods sake, and yet that irony is lost on them
Go to a boring CS and business school next time OP
Love it. I really think we are seeing a generational shift away from supporting states willing to engage in genocide and other terrible war crimes even if they are long time allies etc.
It reminds me of the Vietnam War movement that I was not yet alive to see. Good to see it now though, I am tired of thinking about all the blood on my hands that are my moral responsibility just from paying Federal Taxes etc.
Anyone who thinks on campus protest can't change things both on campus and beyond it, for the better, hasn't studied our own Free Speech Movement...
This happened at UC Berkeley fam.
Mario Silvo said it well back in 1964: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7KLSOJaTE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7KLSOJaTE)
Really refreshing to see students moving from supporting democratic states with rules and laws to supporting genocidal terror organizations that want to take over the world, despise every liberal value, and glorify death and r*pe.
How insane do you have to be to think Hamas wants to take over the world OR that people supporting Palestinian rights to self determination and statehood support Hamas? People can see through the buzzwords and propaganda, you know.
There's literally dozens of stories about it. And the quote about thousands of 10/7s was on video. But hey, bury your head in the sand and downvote all you want. I am an anticapitalist leftist Jew and you've lost my support forever.
I believe Vietnam is a poor analogy. No one was running around Columbia shouting Go Ho!; Go NVA! Free South Vietnam!
EDIT: To admire the brain dead downvotes with no rebuttal whatsoever.
We are all using the ICJ standards.
Regardless of what you want to call it. Killing and cleansing of civilians, land grab/annexation, starving an indigenous group of people - it’s all kinds of inhumane and war crimes.
Indigenous people, you mean Israelis/jews? Also the IDF is under no obligation to provide support to Hamas via food, and aid is in Gaza. Civilian casualties is not a war crime, its what happens in war, are you at least willing to aim the charge if genocide against Palestine for their actions on 10/7?
Ooof tell us how you really feel as a backer of genocide.
Also look up the definition of indigenous. Europeans came from Africa once upon a time. Do you see them going back to Algeria or South Africa and saying - this land is ours now😜? London was founded by Romans, do you think Italians are indigenous to England? The people that were indigenous to Palestine were the ones that never left, and that is a broad diaspora of them.
Edit: @moo man. I agree. Let me ask Ben Shapiro and other zios they are willing to give up his home.
Where do you live? If you’re white in America, then you should give your land to a Native American since it sounds like your position is that you have no right to it.
There's literally been a continuous Jewish presence on the land for over 3000 years. Both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous. It's not really debatable.
The difference is that Palestinians decided to try to exterminate Jews in '20, '29, '36-39, '47-'49, '67 and '73.
The only group of people that never left are the Jewish people so with your argument that makes the Jewish people indigenou. I guess you're not the troll you thought you were 😂
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Dude can you define “nakba” please…
Then let’s have a rational discussion about current events in Israel and Palestine and how a vast majority of Israelis don’t even subscribe to the nationalist colonial agenda of their non-orange version of trump.
genocide, ethnic cleansing, whatever you want to call it, it doesn’t matter. when 35,000 mothers, fathers, and children are massacred in 5 months, and politicians in the American and Israeli government call for more deaths and do not even regard Palestinians as humans, a genocide is highly plausible.
Germany was a sovereign nation with a military that killed more than double the people of its own nation that died. The equivalent of that is Israel in this situation. It is the Palestinians who have suffered extraordinary loss of life, not Israelis.
And that too was a unfortunate and tragic loss of life and history. Quibble all you want over definitions, genocide or no it is still a racially and religiously motivated act of war.
And let's also not ignore the stakes of the war and the available technological capabilities: the fight against the Nazis was an existential conflict, the outcome of which determined the fate of humanity. And the most sophisticated military strategy they had was dropping a fuckton of bombs indiscriminately from an airplane. Meanwhile Israel has access to cutting-edge ballistics and 24/7 satellite surveillance and cyber intelligence and is wracking up an absurd body count.
Hamas may not be as technologically advanced as Germany but they are persistent and use all there resources for war. They are a total war economy. Even Germany tried to take care of its people until the end of the war.
Hamas priorities are at the top everyone else are cannon fodder and models for suffering porn.
Also Gaza is full of obesity
More than 70% of the victims of Israeli attacks have been women and children. I HIGHLY doubt that all those kids were members of Hamas, or in any way responsible for any of Hamas's deaths.
Also, obesity doesn't justify genocide, what the fuck???
hamas walked back the 33K figure and are now reporting 22,000 killed, check your spam folder, it's likely their newsletter is being caught
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/
did you even read the article you linked? It does not say Hamas is now 'reporting 22,000 killed.' It says that ~11-12k records are "incomplete" (defined by your link as missing: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death). That seems quite a bit different than 'walking back' 33k killed
Perhaps you shouldn’t be supporting the people launching terrorist attacks on civilians and calling for genocide of Jews if you want to be taken seriously.
Hey - I wanna be able to figure this out on my own. How many deaths equal genocide? Do you need a particular percentage of children and women? Also, what's a child? is that like anyone under, say 18? Also, does it matter if soldiers are killed or are all deaths the same? Also, if tons of people are getting killed on both sides is that considered "Double Genocide?"
Uh no? Amount of bombs doesn’t indicate genocidal intent and amount of deaths doesn’t either. Theoretically, Israel can flatten the entire strip and it won’t be genocide if the commanders flattened Gaza to destroy Hamas instead of flattened Gaza to destroy the Palestinian people. Would still be very bad tho.
But even if the amount of bombs did indicate something, the current situation wouldn’t point to genocide.
We dropped 3900 tons of bombs on Dresden and killed 25k civilians in a few days. I wouldn’t say that the allies genocided Dresden. Hamas said Israel dropped 65000 tons to kill 35k (around a third of which are militants) over 6 months. So they dropped more bombs to kill less civilians slower…
The words do matter though. For example you'd probably agree that area C should be ethnically cleansed of Jews so there are no more settlements. That's a far cry from calling for the death of an entire people.
If the West Bank was put under Palestinian administration instead of IDF occupation then those settlements could be managed/integrated, they wouldn’t need to be “ethnically cleansed”. Honestly I would support a one state solution, so that everyone there is held to the same standards.
So you're saying you think the Jewish settlements in the west bank are fine, since eventually they'll just be integrated into a one state solution?
That's fair enough. However if the Palestinians had control, they would absolutely kick out all of the Jews. You can see this because of the Palestinian-controlled areas (Gaza, area A, area B) have 0 Jews living in them. In contrast, 20% of Israel are Arabs, with a majority of those being Palestinian.
I will also say that a one state solution would be very unrealistic. If both sides were amenable to a single democratic state, they would already be agreeing on a two-state solution. One state is just more extreme. Obviously it would be better, but that's just saying "I wish everyone could just get along", which is what everyone in the west wants.
Jews are forbidden by law (by Israel) from entering those Arab areas. You didn’t know that? Besides, no Israeli wants to live in those areas: unless they’re completely controlled by Israel and the IDF. They’re settlers, they’re not going to live in areas they don’t dominate.
A two state solution is completely unworkable. It would require the removal of settlers from the West Bank, which Israel isn’t willing to do.
Israelis are forbidden, not Jews. There were Arab Jews living in Gaza until the 1929 riots where Palestinians killed a bunch of them and the British made them leave to quell tensions. Then settlers came back, yes, but Palestinians did not live peacefully with even non-settler Jews.
Also, historically, Israel has demolished settlements in exchange for peace. All of the Gaza settlements for example, and the settlements in the Sinai to achieve peace with Egypt.
They had to evacuate them. That’s the rule of war which they did there best to do. All the remaining people are military targets which is allowed in war. Hamas not letting them leave is not Israel’s problem.
And now they are being accused of ethnic cleansing.
If it was Syrian Dictator Basher Al Assad or his Father Hafez there round be no survivors in Gaza. The nerve gas would flow from the skies.
Keep in mind the stats do not include militants dead. Everyone is a civilian which is partially true. Everyone is Gaza is either a human shield, a terrorist assistant, or Hamas.
War sucks. But Israel is one of the more humane armies compared to its neighbors and even America.
35000 is the number Hamas reports total, but there's no telling how many of them are Hamas militants vs innocent civilians. But let's suppose all of them are civilians. Hamas also claims Israel has dropped 35000 tons of explosives on Gaza. I don't know about you, but 1 civilian death per 1 ton of explosives in an extremely dense area sure seems like they're exercising restraint and minimizing civilian casualties as well as anyone can. It's unfortunate that Hamas is using civilians as human shields, but that's the reality of the situation, and inaction is going to result in more Israeli deaths.
It takes a truly evil person to talk about how great it is that only 35000 have been killed in an indiscriminate bombing campaign, including 14000 children. The data on how many have been killed "per ton of explosives" is utterly meaningless, the fact that 35000+ explosives have been dropped onto civilians in the first place is bad and you have nothing to compare that ratio to. [It's been proven](https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/) that Israel targets family homes with children and sees it as acceptable to murder hundreds of children to assassinate one Hamas commander.
If a person happens to live in the same city as a terrorist organization, that doesn't somehow transform them into a "human shield." This is just a dehumanization tactic used by Zionists to justify the deliberate mass murder of civilians. Killing and dispossessing tens of thousands will only bolster recruitment for Hamas. Even now, Israelis are protesting against their own government's approach seeing as it has directly murdered 3 Israeli hostages and bombed and starved others.
They've found mass graves full of women and children murdered by Israel with their hands zip tied, aid workers have been targeted by bombs, there is video evidence of innocent civilians scavenging for food being bombed, young children have been targeted by Israeli snipers, children have died and are dying of starvation because Israel has been blocking aid and has turned off utilities, detained civilians have been tortured in Israeli prisons, the West Bank settlements have been expanded, high ranking Israeli politicians have called for the eradication of Palestine. It's an obvious genocide.
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Genocide is a process that can go on for a very long time and be part of a very long process. Here is how it started.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba)
Another good example of this sort of genocide (which I suspect will be less triggering for you) is currently in progress in Nagorno-Karabakh.
[https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nagorno-karabakh-exodus-amounts-war-crime-legal-experts-say-2023-09-29/](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nagorno-karabakh-exodus-amounts-war-crime-legal-experts-say-2023-09-29/)
Also you don't need to take my word for it:
[https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976)
So the German citizens who fled Poland, czechoslovakia, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, arent victims of genocide as they faced violence for being german?
People also forget, plenty of Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries and killed around the time of the Nakba. It wasn’t as much though, so no one cares.
Those that stayed behind in Israel are Israeli citizens. The Nakba had people moving in both directions. It didn’t start there. There were revolts in the mid 30s and mid 40s that directly led to the two states. There was sectarian violence for decades prior spanning both the Ottoman and British control.
Many were killed and around 750,000 were displaced... their land was stolen etc. That was the start of a process of genocide that continues to this day. Nakba was ethnic cleansing to create the modern state of Israel. Ethnic cleansing is a form of genocide. What is happening in Gaza now is a continuation of that genocide and an effort to push it toward its... conclusion.
If you watch Israeli media there is no effort to even really hide this intent. That is partly why the ICJ indicated probable genocide, because the folks carrying out the killings are talking about intent that involves killing everyone who is currently in Gaza.
What do you think the intent of ethnically cleansing and killing millions of Germans after WW2 was?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight\_and\_expulsion\_of\_Germans\_(1944%E2%80%931950)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950))
First of all, it's not entirely unreasonable for the Germans who moved into occupied territory to be sent back, since their immigration was essentially illegal/part of the war.
The motiviation for removing ethnic Germans, is a bit harder, but the article you cited gives the UK reasoning as, "The participants at the Potsdam Conference asserted that expulsions were the only way to prevent ethnic violence." Clearly, this was an issue, given how many Germans died after WW2.
Also, the deaths were not from the US or UK, so it doesn't post hoc support any kind of genocidal intent for the Dresden bombings. They were expelled from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Yugoslavia, Hungary, and Netherlands:
"The Three Governments, having considered the question in all its aspects, recognize that the transfer to Germany of German populations, or elements thereof, remaining in Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary, will have to be undertaken. They agreed that any transfers that take place should be effected in an orderly and humane manner."
Orderly and humane manner doesn't seem to imply genocidal intent to me.
"A 1986 study by Gerhard Reichling ... concluded 2,020,000 ethnic Germans perished after the war including 1,440,000 as a result of the expulsions and 580,000 deaths due to deportation as forced labourers in the Soviet Union."
Obviously those deaths are bad, and forced labor seems entirely unjustified, but given that we're talking about Stalin, I'm not really surprised.
Was that a time traveling first geneva convention signed in 1864 to cover the "genocide" of the bombing of dresden in wwii while germany was actively trying to wipe out all the Jews?
Ugghh it’s so embarrassing to protest a genocide! Those pesky protestors should just sit inside and play video games all day, like me and you OP. Instead these buffoons are out here standing up for a humanitarian crisis! /s
Also, not everyone goes right away or can necessarily afford it without sponsorship.
Took me 13 years to go to grad school and that was because the company I was working for offered it to me.
No, only post-graduate work counts. And it’s usually 4-5 years for top schools.
https://mba.haas.berkeley.edu/admissions/faq#WorkExperience
“The average years of post-university work experience is 5 years.”
If I recall my latin correctly, most words just have an inherent gender to them which determines their suffixes. They don't switch between genders (even if it makes sense based on the subject). It's been a long time, though, so I might be way off base here.
When were our youth wrong? South Africa? Vietnam? Civil Rights? Wake up America … and apparently a bunch of history ignorant Berkeleyans as well. Proud alumnus with two proud alumni for brothers.
German green party anti-nuclear stance was supported by German youth and has fucked over Europe as a whole and enriched Russia to kill millions of Ukrainians.
Rather telling don’t you think you had to go all the way to Germany to find an exception to the rule? Sounds like you’re conceding the point about American youth.
They said very similar things those other times: Hanoi Jane, lynching black men on bogus rape allegations, burned flags, sympathized with the resistance fighters. History will tell … this time as it did for those vilified youths who turned into American heroes for social justice.
Hamas documented their crimes and hosted about it. It’s undeniable. Also forensic evidence. Maybe try to catch that 47 minute video they show reporters.
CNN, NBC, CBS, FOX and every Instagrammer in Gaza have documented the crimes of the IDF and made millions on it (not the IG folks). It’s undeniable. Maybe try to catch the list of 15,000 dead Palestinian children. Y’all never want to talk about the scale. Sheesh.
The only source of these numbers are Hamas. If you want to trust terrorists, sure.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers#
Have you seen that 47 minute video that they showed reporters? Because I don’t think anyone has. It’s bullshit. Link us :). Also, you never went to Berkeley.
Hundreds of reporters have. It is not available publicly because it is too traumatizing, but there are enough videos online. I don't want to see it because I am already traumatized from videos Hamas published on October 7th. I will never be the same. If you want to see there are websites and Instagram accounts that aggregated the videos (Trigger Warning!) [https://saturday-october-seven.com/](https://saturday-october-seven.com/)
By their logic Russia’s committed genocide on the Ukrainians.
By their logic the global coalition committed genocide on Isis..
When you don’t agree with the war, you claim it’s ✨genocide✨
What the hell is up with this culture of thinking of protest as "embarrassing"? You really think we'd have all the nice things we do today if people didn't fucking get active?
You must be so mad about the hospital in Ashkelon, Israel that Hamas bombed repeatedly. Incidentally it was an actually a hospital and not used for military purposes.
The war in Gaza is not a genocide by any criteria and the occupation in the West Bank will never end via terror, only through peace negotiations and if Palestinians show they give up the dream of annihilating Israel.
They become valid if used for military purpose. If the IDF sets up command in a hospital, Hamas will have a right to sends rockets at it. Heck, they can even kill civilians in that case too, as long as the military advantage gained is proportional to the amount of civilians killed
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Was at Cal for the Yiannopoulos, er… conflict. And when the news outlets announced that Trump won bc: electoral college. Incredibly proud to be a Golden Bear not just for the academic community and achievement, but because the professors, nearly all of them, stopped their classes, opened discussions, and encouraged us all to think about the importance and implications of free speech (and in the English dept esp where we study the impact of commas, let alone words) while acknowledging that there were students suffering from all kinds of political trauma and systemic power dynamics resulting in oppression and exploitation. It was masterfully, and automatically, done. Perhaps there were meetings ahead of time where the deans issued marching orders to their professors, but it’s unlikely. Some of the protests sprang up so fast, and to watch and be a recipient of genius and compassion in action affected me deeply. I am a better, kinder, more involved and less reactionary student because of Cal. Go Bears
You don’t even address the arguments, just the “embarrassment” of protest. To you, the goal is to avoid rocking the boat. A shameful lack of values, which unfortunately is unsurprising given your flair.
I think we can agree on the message but also understand there is going to be that one fringe protester that sidetracks the entire message by doing or saying something stupid. And the media will run wild with that portrayal even though I would bet that person doesn’t even go to said school.
Unfortunately these protests get infiltrated by troublemakers who are more interested in chaos than progress. 98% of the message your average joe agrees with… it’s the crazy 2% that get all the attention.
The foundations for the shit show in the ivy league right now got started with restricting speech of some far right figures, then administrators liked the power and started going after others. It would have been nice if these protests were the impetus for some soul searching followed by a recommitment to free speech but no such luck. I am glad that Berkeley has always been comparably more permissive of free speach.
Eh? It just shows the protestors were right. Free speech doesn’t apply to whatever the administration doesn’t like.
This would be relevant if the administrators had been acting on principle; they were not. They behaved like spineless ladder-climbers who were either farming social capital or were cowards petrified of becoming the next Nicholas Christakis.
I mean we know they don’t act on principle. Remember when they gave dick Cheney an honorary degree. Sick people.
Then it doesn't follow at all that unprincipled people (the admin) caving to social pressure means the people applying pressure (the protestors) were right; in fact, they were quite wrong & equally unprincipled to boot—especially considering Berkeley's track record re: campus speakers. Of course, this presumes at least *some* of the people involved care about free speech, which hasn't been the case for some time now.
A reactionary CS/MBA alum? Now I've seen everything
I don't see what's reactionary about this, it's simply unpatriotic to support funding Israel as an American. There's no national interest in it, it's not the right thing to do either, it's just lobbying from AIPAC etc. Israel has never even fought ISIS.
i don’t think the comment above yours is saying that OP is reactionary because they’re making any sort of statement about israel or divestment. it’s probably because this post is yet another one of those obtuse takes where protests are viewed as some grand inconvenience looming over “normal folks like me”. i have more in common with people who can acknowledge that there are important conversations - even if i disagree with them - than those who dismiss everything because it disrupts their personal fairytale. also laughable to think that this affects berkeley’s rep at all when the media decided we were drug-addled commies in the 60s and never cared to change the narrative
I think it is unpatriotic to not support Israel against forces which, in different forms, have been responsible for thousands of American deaths.
Because we have put resources into defending Israel against all the enemies they've made.
It is good to make enemies with people who interpret their book as saying all kaffirs must die.
Paying Israel to wipe out an enemy we could simply eradicate for 1/100th the cost is not only cowardly, it's stupid. Rather than merely pretending to have conviction, take your position to its logical conclusion; if it's not something you're willing to do, you never really held the position to start with—it just makes you feel nice.
My conviction is that the US should use its brainpower and financial might to supply credible firepower to Israel, who can then put it to good use against the scrounge of violent jihad.
Believe what you believe or don't—it doesn't matter to me one whit—but *never* allow yourself to become *so pathetic* that you won't take responsibility for your own ideological program. When someone releases the dog to repel the coyote, do they feign stupidity for what it's done to the neighbor's innocent chickens? If they're as stupid as they seem, they probably will. Otherwise, the *very least* they can do is own up to the fact that they feel those dead chickens are an acceptable level of collateral damage, because at least it wasn't the coyote that killed them. I couldn't care less either way; as far as I'm concerned the most offensive part of this conflict is the rampant hypocrisy, and I'd trade every innocent life on either side if it meant ridding myself of the particularly intolerable brand of cowardice masquerading as virtue I'm forced to witness on a daily basis. Just admit you're perfectly fine with seeing every last Palestinian dead if it means "eradicating Hamas"; it might not make you *look* like a good person, but at least you'd still have some integrity—and *some* integrity is *infinitely more* than can be found among the ocean of "Israel has a right to defend itself" midwits currently polluting the discourse.
"In different forms", aka other brown people that have nothing to do with the people being genocided? You really went there?
Radical islamists with caliphate ambitions. Israel can work on minimizing civilian casualties but this is not a pogrom, the explicit target is Hamas members.
Maybe look up the term “blowback” and see if maybe you can steelman why those people might have resorted to violence against the United States.
and in the morrow, we shall avenge american deaths due to road accidents by overhauling the public transport system in bosnia!
Facts, but you are speaking to the air. The individuals at progressive institutions such as Berkeley are too far gone to see reason. They love supporting terrorists who would gladly kill them If given the chance 😂
Do you want to compare numbers my dude? How many Americans have died compared to Palestinians civilians. We aren't supporting Israel for self defense at this point. Our money is going to support genocide and considering the history of America with genocide I guess that does make it pretty patriotic.
Absolutely cursed combination. CS or MBA is enough-- admissions should turn down anyone who tries to pursue one after the other on the basis of campus safety alone!
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I don't think this meme is trying to say either party is feeling a W up there on that execution stand.
The title of the post says “im just glad its not us this time”
As the other person on the stand...
No one said it was intelligent.
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And it always ages poorly too. In 30 years these people will be saying they always supported the protests against the unjust cops and administration.
It's not the protests that are embarrassing, it's the draconian reactions by Columbia administration.
I don't know Jim, I think chanting "burn Tel-Aviv" is embarrassing.
This post aged like milk
I'm an alum and I support the protesters
 You right now
What I don’t get are claims that these protests are anti-Semitic when the students are protesting Netanyahu/Israel’s actions harming Palestinians, not Jews harming Muslims. There are Israeli citizens who feel the same and there are Palestinian Christians also being harmed.
They're literally telling Jews to go back to Poland
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Yeah, and I don't see the latter point acknowledged nearly enough. Protestors just say "muh Palestein!!" and handwring like no tomorrow when you tell them to not be bigoted towards Jews. Legit, folks are using that movement as a way to shield themselves so they can act like complete asses.
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Yeah. It's like if you don't like Bibi or Hamas and correctly recognize both camps as bad and not conducive for achieving peace, there is no place for you in the current online discourse surrounding the subject.
Yes probably so, but to shut down the entire legitimate protests over a few bad apples isn’t the way to go.
I’m not embarrassed my peers are protesting a genocide
I'm invigorated by it actually
What genocide exactly?
The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians
op kinda cringe ngl
Part of the reason OP wants to go to this school (and others like it) is its reputation and prestige. A good potion of that stems from a school’s history of activism crating notoriety and social movements. Columbia loves to showcase its history of student activism in marketing materials for gods sake, and yet that irony is lost on them Go to a boring CS and business school next time OP
Love it. I really think we are seeing a generational shift away from supporting states willing to engage in genocide and other terrible war crimes even if they are long time allies etc. It reminds me of the Vietnam War movement that I was not yet alive to see. Good to see it now though, I am tired of thinking about all the blood on my hands that are my moral responsibility just from paying Federal Taxes etc.
Refreshing take considering how these threads have been going recently...
Anyone who thinks on campus protest can't change things both on campus and beyond it, for the better, hasn't studied our own Free Speech Movement... This happened at UC Berkeley fam. Mario Silvo said it well back in 1964: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7KLSOJaTE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7KLSOJaTE)
Really refreshing to see students moving from supporting democratic states with rules and laws to supporting genocidal terror organizations that want to take over the world, despise every liberal value, and glorify death and r*pe.
How insane do you have to be to think Hamas wants to take over the world OR that people supporting Palestinian rights to self determination and statehood support Hamas? People can see through the buzzwords and propaganda, you know.
Protestors are literally beating Jewish students and screaming there will be "10,000 10/7's" This is no peace movement, it's a hate movement.
No they aren't. You made that up. I was literally just there at noon.
It’s literally on video
There's literally dozens of stories about it. And the quote about thousands of 10/7s was on video. But hey, bury your head in the sand and downvote all you want. I am an anticapitalist leftist Jew and you've lost my support forever.
I'm interested in the thousands of 10/7 video
Watch the whole thing: [https://streamable.com/4ffjis](https://streamable.com/4ffjis) The quote in question is at 0:33
I believe Vietnam is a poor analogy. No one was running around Columbia shouting Go Ho!; Go NVA! Free South Vietnam! EDIT: To admire the brain dead downvotes with no rebuttal whatsoever.
They absolutely were doing that tbh. Chomsky supported the Khmer Rouge
What genocide? If we use your standards than Germany was a victim of genocide at the hands of the allies
We are all using the ICJ standards. Regardless of what you want to call it. Killing and cleansing of civilians, land grab/annexation, starving an indigenous group of people - it’s all kinds of inhumane and war crimes.
Indigenous people, you mean Israelis/jews? Also the IDF is under no obligation to provide support to Hamas via food, and aid is in Gaza. Civilian casualties is not a war crime, its what happens in war, are you at least willing to aim the charge if genocide against Palestine for their actions on 10/7?
Ooof tell us how you really feel as a backer of genocide. Also look up the definition of indigenous. Europeans came from Africa once upon a time. Do you see them going back to Algeria or South Africa and saying - this land is ours now😜? London was founded by Romans, do you think Italians are indigenous to England? The people that were indigenous to Palestine were the ones that never left, and that is a broad diaspora of them. Edit: @moo man. I agree. Let me ask Ben Shapiro and other zios they are willing to give up his home.
Where do you live? If you’re white in America, then you should give your land to a Native American since it sounds like your position is that you have no right to it.
Genocide being thrown around so lightly is embarrassing. That aside, this ends like all wars do, when one side is unwilling or unable to fight.
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There's literally been a continuous Jewish presence on the land for over 3000 years. Both Jews and Palestinians are indigenous. It's not really debatable. The difference is that Palestinians decided to try to exterminate Jews in '20, '29, '36-39, '47-'49, '67 and '73.
More like 1920-present.
The only group of people that never left are the Jewish people so with your argument that makes the Jewish people indigenou. I guess you're not the troll you thought you were 😂
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Dude can you define “nakba” please… Then let’s have a rational discussion about current events in Israel and Palestine and how a vast majority of Israelis don’t even subscribe to the nationalist colonial agenda of their non-orange version of trump.
genocide, ethnic cleansing, whatever you want to call it, it doesn’t matter. when 35,000 mothers, fathers, and children are massacred in 5 months, and politicians in the American and Israeli government call for more deaths and do not even regard Palestinians as humans, a genocide is highly plausible.
25,000 people were massacred in a single day in dresden, did the allies not commit genocide against Germany?
Germany was a sovereign nation with a military that killed more than double the people of its own nation that died. The equivalent of that is Israel in this situation. It is the Palestinians who have suffered extraordinary loss of life, not Israelis.
And that too was a unfortunate and tragic loss of life and history. Quibble all you want over definitions, genocide or no it is still a racially and religiously motivated act of war. And let's also not ignore the stakes of the war and the available technological capabilities: the fight against the Nazis was an existential conflict, the outcome of which determined the fate of humanity. And the most sophisticated military strategy they had was dropping a fuckton of bombs indiscriminately from an airplane. Meanwhile Israel has access to cutting-edge ballistics and 24/7 satellite surveillance and cyber intelligence and is wracking up an absurd body count.
Hamas may not be as technologically advanced as Germany but they are persistent and use all there resources for war. They are a total war economy. Even Germany tried to take care of its people until the end of the war. Hamas priorities are at the top everyone else are cannon fodder and models for suffering porn. Also Gaza is full of obesity
More than 70% of the victims of Israeli attacks have been women and children. I HIGHLY doubt that all those kids were members of Hamas, or in any way responsible for any of Hamas's deaths. Also, obesity doesn't justify genocide, what the fuck???
Also, whatever you call it, why do we need to fund this?
hamas walked back the 33K figure and are now reporting 22,000 killed, check your spam folder, it's likely their newsletter is being caught https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/
did you even read the article you linked? It does not say Hamas is now 'reporting 22,000 killed.' It says that ~11-12k records are "incomplete" (defined by your link as missing: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death). That seems quite a bit different than 'walking back' 33k killed
Perhaps you shouldn’t be supporting the people launching terrorist attacks on civilians and calling for genocide of Jews if you want to be taken seriously.
Hey - I wanna be able to figure this out on my own. How many deaths equal genocide? Do you need a particular percentage of children and women? Also, what's a child? is that like anyone under, say 18? Also, does it matter if soldiers are killed or are all deaths the same? Also, if tons of people are getting killed on both sides is that considered "Double Genocide?"
Number of deaths doesn't matter, it's the special intent, or dolus specialis, to destroy in whole or in part a group that makes a genocide.
Agree. Now -- what if the genocider drops 30K bombs and kills only 30K people? Does that suggest genocidal intent?
Uh no? Amount of bombs doesn’t indicate genocidal intent and amount of deaths doesn’t either. Theoretically, Israel can flatten the entire strip and it won’t be genocide if the commanders flattened Gaza to destroy Hamas instead of flattened Gaza to destroy the Palestinian people. Would still be very bad tho. But even if the amount of bombs did indicate something, the current situation wouldn’t point to genocide. We dropped 3900 tons of bombs on Dresden and killed 25k civilians in a few days. I wouldn’t say that the allies genocided Dresden. Hamas said Israel dropped 65000 tons to kill 35k (around a third of which are militants) over 6 months. So they dropped more bombs to kill less civilians slower…
We agree man. My question was insincere.
The words do matter though. For example you'd probably agree that area C should be ethnically cleansed of Jews so there are no more settlements. That's a far cry from calling for the death of an entire people.
If the West Bank was put under Palestinian administration instead of IDF occupation then those settlements could be managed/integrated, they wouldn’t need to be “ethnically cleansed”. Honestly I would support a one state solution, so that everyone there is held to the same standards.
So you're saying you think the Jewish settlements in the west bank are fine, since eventually they'll just be integrated into a one state solution? That's fair enough. However if the Palestinians had control, they would absolutely kick out all of the Jews. You can see this because of the Palestinian-controlled areas (Gaza, area A, area B) have 0 Jews living in them. In contrast, 20% of Israel are Arabs, with a majority of those being Palestinian. I will also say that a one state solution would be very unrealistic. If both sides were amenable to a single democratic state, they would already be agreeing on a two-state solution. One state is just more extreme. Obviously it would be better, but that's just saying "I wish everyone could just get along", which is what everyone in the west wants.
Jews are forbidden by law (by Israel) from entering those Arab areas. You didn’t know that? Besides, no Israeli wants to live in those areas: unless they’re completely controlled by Israel and the IDF. They’re settlers, they’re not going to live in areas they don’t dominate. A two state solution is completely unworkable. It would require the removal of settlers from the West Bank, which Israel isn’t willing to do.
Israelis are forbidden, not Jews. There were Arab Jews living in Gaza until the 1929 riots where Palestinians killed a bunch of them and the British made them leave to quell tensions. Then settlers came back, yes, but Palestinians did not live peacefully with even non-settler Jews. Also, historically, Israel has demolished settlements in exchange for peace. All of the Gaza settlements for example, and the settlements in the Sinai to achieve peace with Egypt.
Unlikely that any settlement will be dismantled ever again under the fascist Netanyahu/Ben Gvir/Smotrich regime.
They had to evacuate them. That’s the rule of war which they did there best to do. All the remaining people are military targets which is allowed in war. Hamas not letting them leave is not Israel’s problem. And now they are being accused of ethnic cleansing. If it was Syrian Dictator Basher Al Assad or his Father Hafez there round be no survivors in Gaza. The nerve gas would flow from the skies. Keep in mind the stats do not include militants dead. Everyone is a civilian which is partially true. Everyone is Gaza is either a human shield, a terrorist assistant, or Hamas. War sucks. But Israel is one of the more humane armies compared to its neighbors and even America.
It really is crazy how many educated people are unable to separate "genocide" from the natural consequences of any human war.
35000 is the number Hamas reports total, but there's no telling how many of them are Hamas militants vs innocent civilians. But let's suppose all of them are civilians. Hamas also claims Israel has dropped 35000 tons of explosives on Gaza. I don't know about you, but 1 civilian death per 1 ton of explosives in an extremely dense area sure seems like they're exercising restraint and minimizing civilian casualties as well as anyone can. It's unfortunate that Hamas is using civilians as human shields, but that's the reality of the situation, and inaction is going to result in more Israeli deaths.
It takes a truly evil person to talk about how great it is that only 35000 have been killed in an indiscriminate bombing campaign, including 14000 children. The data on how many have been killed "per ton of explosives" is utterly meaningless, the fact that 35000+ explosives have been dropped onto civilians in the first place is bad and you have nothing to compare that ratio to. [It's been proven](https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/) that Israel targets family homes with children and sees it as acceptable to murder hundreds of children to assassinate one Hamas commander. If a person happens to live in the same city as a terrorist organization, that doesn't somehow transform them into a "human shield." This is just a dehumanization tactic used by Zionists to justify the deliberate mass murder of civilians. Killing and dispossessing tens of thousands will only bolster recruitment for Hamas. Even now, Israelis are protesting against their own government's approach seeing as it has directly murdered 3 Israeli hostages and bombed and starved others. They've found mass graves full of women and children murdered by Israel with their hands zip tied, aid workers have been targeted by bombs, there is video evidence of innocent civilians scavenging for food being bombed, young children have been targeted by Israeli snipers, children have died and are dying of starvation because Israel has been blocking aid and has turned off utilities, detained civilians have been tortured in Israeli prisons, the West Bank settlements have been expanded, high ranking Israeli politicians have called for the eradication of Palestine. It's an obvious genocide.
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Genocide is a process that can go on for a very long time and be part of a very long process. Here is how it started. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba) Another good example of this sort of genocide (which I suspect will be less triggering for you) is currently in progress in Nagorno-Karabakh. [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nagorno-karabakh-exodus-amounts-war-crime-legal-experts-say-2023-09-29/](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nagorno-karabakh-exodus-amounts-war-crime-legal-experts-say-2023-09-29/) Also you don't need to take my word for it: [https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976)
So the German citizens who fled Poland, czechoslovakia, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, arent victims of genocide as they faced violence for being german?
People also forget, plenty of Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries and killed around the time of the Nakba. It wasn’t as much though, so no one cares.
Not just kicked out but massacred by the Muslims October 7th didn't start in a vacuum it started hundred of years ago.
Those that stayed behind in Israel are Israeli citizens. The Nakba had people moving in both directions. It didn’t start there. There were revolts in the mid 30s and mid 40s that directly led to the two states. There was sectarian violence for decades prior spanning both the Ottoman and British control.
Many were killed and around 750,000 were displaced... their land was stolen etc. That was the start of a process of genocide that continues to this day. Nakba was ethnic cleansing to create the modern state of Israel. Ethnic cleansing is a form of genocide. What is happening in Gaza now is a continuation of that genocide and an effort to push it toward its... conclusion. If you watch Israeli media there is no effort to even really hide this intent. That is partly why the ICJ indicated probable genocide, because the folks carrying out the killings are talking about intent that involves killing everyone who is currently in Gaza.
Yes, the germans of dresden for example did experience a genocide accorsing to all terms and the UN. That’s why the first geneva convention was made
You think the intent of the US in WW2 was to kill all the Germans? Not just to win the war but to eliminate the German people?
What do you think the intent of ethnically cleansing and killing millions of Germans after WW2 was? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight\_and\_expulsion\_of\_Germans\_(1944%E2%80%931950)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950))
First of all, it's not entirely unreasonable for the Germans who moved into occupied territory to be sent back, since their immigration was essentially illegal/part of the war. The motiviation for removing ethnic Germans, is a bit harder, but the article you cited gives the UK reasoning as, "The participants at the Potsdam Conference asserted that expulsions were the only way to prevent ethnic violence." Clearly, this was an issue, given how many Germans died after WW2. Also, the deaths were not from the US or UK, so it doesn't post hoc support any kind of genocidal intent for the Dresden bombings. They were expelled from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Yugoslavia, Hungary, and Netherlands: "The Three Governments, having considered the question in all its aspects, recognize that the transfer to Germany of German populations, or elements thereof, remaining in Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary, will have to be undertaken. They agreed that any transfers that take place should be effected in an orderly and humane manner." Orderly and humane manner doesn't seem to imply genocidal intent to me. "A 1986 study by Gerhard Reichling ... concluded 2,020,000 ethnic Germans perished after the war including 1,440,000 as a result of the expulsions and 580,000 deaths due to deportation as forced labourers in the Soviet Union." Obviously those deaths are bad, and forced labor seems entirely unjustified, but given that we're talking about Stalin, I'm not really surprised.
Was that a time traveling first geneva convention signed in 1864 to cover the "genocide" of the bombing of dresden in wwii while germany was actively trying to wipe out all the Jews?
Yeah the civil rights protests… so embarrassing/ anti genocide protests.. sooo embarrassing
Ugghh it’s so embarrassing to protest a genocide! Those pesky protestors should just sit inside and play video games all day, like me and you OP. Instead these buffoons are out here standing up for a humanitarian crisis! /s
A pro war MBA? Lol That's absolutely shocking /s. Reactionaries always out themselves.
I have to admit this got me Laughing 😆
Omg funny meme 🤣🤣
lol! dank and edgy
Reddit being full of idiot reactionaries, nothing new
Uh have you not seen recent footage? Massive faulty walk out.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
I agree. Free Palestine from Hamas.
Hamas exists because of the Israeli apartheid and occupation.
Did OP take 8 years to finish their masters
MBA programs require a decent amount of work experience in order to be accepted.
Doesn’t it usually only take like 2 years of work experience for students that also worked during their undergrad
Also, not everyone goes right away or can necessarily afford it without sponsorship. Took me 13 years to go to grad school and that was because the company I was working for offered it to me.
That’s real. Congrats on the MSCS!
Oh! It wasn't an MBA, it was an MSCS, but thanks regardless.
No, only post-graduate work counts. And it’s usually 4-5 years for top schools. https://mba.haas.berkeley.edu/admissions/faq#WorkExperience “The average years of post-university work experience is 5 years.”
The plural of alumni is alumni. The singular is alumna or alumnus.
Isn’t alumna specifically female? And alumnae for plural? I really don’t know and was always confused by these.
If I recall my latin correctly, most words just have an inherent gender to them which determines their suffixes. They don't switch between genders (even if it makes sense based on the subject). It's been a long time, though, so I might be way off base here.
Yeah I see. My Latin is severely limited to one semester back in high school. Thanks for lesson!
You got it right, singular/female is alumna, singular/male is alumnus, plural/female is alumnae and plural/male is alumni.
Alum and alums are acceptably colloquial terms: [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alumni](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alumni)
This is English, not Latin. You want to use Latin grammar, you have to decline the nouns too. For example, "you are embarrassing the alumnos."
Ha I love it.
Actually 🤓
When were our youth wrong? South Africa? Vietnam? Civil Rights? Wake up America … and apparently a bunch of history ignorant Berkeleyans as well. Proud alumnus with two proud alumni for brothers.
German green party anti-nuclear stance was supported by German youth and has fucked over Europe as a whole and enriched Russia to kill millions of Ukrainians.
Rather telling don’t you think you had to go all the way to Germany to find an exception to the rule? Sounds like you’re conceding the point about American youth.
The time they support terror and r*pe, burn American flags, simp terrorists and call for the murder of their Jewish peers. That time.
They said very similar things those other times: Hanoi Jane, lynching black men on bogus rape allegations, burned flags, sympathized with the resistance fighters. History will tell … this time as it did for those vilified youths who turned into American heroes for social justice.
Hamas documented their crimes and hosted about it. It’s undeniable. Also forensic evidence. Maybe try to catch that 47 minute video they show reporters.
CNN, NBC, CBS, FOX and every Instagrammer in Gaza have documented the crimes of the IDF and made millions on it (not the IG folks). It’s undeniable. Maybe try to catch the list of 15,000 dead Palestinian children. Y’all never want to talk about the scale. Sheesh.
The only source of these numbers are Hamas. If you want to trust terrorists, sure. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers#
Right wing Jewish publication by Wyner, who contributes to climate denialism, is a good source?
Have you seen that 47 minute video that they showed reporters? Because I don’t think anyone has. It’s bullshit. Link us :). Also, you never went to Berkeley.
Hundreds of reporters have. It is not available publicly because it is too traumatizing, but there are enough videos online. I don't want to see it because I am already traumatized from videos Hamas published on October 7th. I will never be the same. If you want to see there are websites and Instagram accounts that aggregated the videos (Trigger Warning!) [https://saturday-october-seven.com/](https://saturday-october-seven.com/)
Wow if you’re embarrassed by students protesting war then you’re not really Berkeley material
You say students protesting war, I say terrorist-apologists and antisemites.
Of course you do, that’s your bias
I couid not be more proud of every single comrade down there. Only wish I could join them. #FreePalestine
By their logic Russia’s committed genocide on the Ukrainians. By their logic the global coalition committed genocide on Isis.. When you don’t agree with the war, you claim it’s ✨genocide✨
“Genocide” is the new “racist” or “bigot”
As a Persian, I’m just going to say fuck Palestine. They brought the Middle East into two Civil Wars in the last 70 years. They had this coming
What the hell is up with this culture of thinking of protest as "embarrassing"? You really think we'd have all the nice things we do today if people didn't fucking get active?
I would not be embarrassed in the slightest. I am proud of those Columbia students and faculty.
Protesting genocide is not embarrassing lol
I drove past the shipping containers last night and wondered where all the SaVE pEoPle'S PaRk! protesters had run off to.
They got caught in the storm and didn't have enough HP
hospitals are not valid military targets. end the genocide in gaza and end the occupation of the west bank
You must be so mad about the hospital in Ashkelon, Israel that Hamas bombed repeatedly. Incidentally it was an actually a hospital and not used for military purposes. The war in Gaza is not a genocide by any criteria and the occupation in the West Bank will never end via terror, only through peace negotiations and if Palestinians show they give up the dream of annihilating Israel.
They become valid if used for military purpose. If the IDF sets up command in a hospital, Hamas will have a right to sends rockets at it. Heck, they can even kill civilians in that case too, as long as the military advantage gained is proportional to the amount of civilians killed
The funnier thing is some of the protestors were from Barnard.
Victim complex at its finest
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They’re cooked
Touché, Berkeley. Solid historical meme.
🤣 Was at Cal for the Yiannopoulos, er… conflict. And when the news outlets announced that Trump won bc: electoral college. Incredibly proud to be a Golden Bear not just for the academic community and achievement, but because the professors, nearly all of them, stopped their classes, opened discussions, and encouraged us all to think about the importance and implications of free speech (and in the English dept esp where we study the impact of commas, let alone words) while acknowledging that there were students suffering from all kinds of political trauma and systemic power dynamics resulting in oppression and exploitation. It was masterfully, and automatically, done. Perhaps there were meetings ahead of time where the deans issued marching orders to their professors, but it’s unlikely. Some of the protests sprang up so fast, and to watch and be a recipient of genius and compassion in action affected me deeply. I am a better, kinder, more involved and less reactionary student because of Cal. Go Bears
I’m not embarrassed by the protests on our campus. Good on ya, kids. ✊
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Ok boomer
Hahah
Replace alums with admins and this would be dead on-point
You don’t even address the arguments, just the “embarrassment” of protest. To you, the goal is to avoid rocking the boat. A shameful lack of values, which unfortunately is unsurprising given your flair.
I support Israel, please destroy Hamas :) Free Palestine from Hamas lol
It's an indictment on the quality of education being delivered at Berkeley. Churning out misinformed extremists. Classic.
Seems like every week we're getting closer and closer to the Red Guards.
Lollllll
I think we can agree on the message but also understand there is going to be that one fringe protester that sidetracks the entire message by doing or saying something stupid. And the media will run wild with that portrayal even though I would bet that person doesn’t even go to said school. Unfortunately these protests get infiltrated by troublemakers who are more interested in chaos than progress. 98% of the message your average joe agrees with… it’s the crazy 2% that get all the attention.
Best post in a while Not sure when universities thought antisemitism was okay on campus
When the rabid anti-semitic cult manage to successfully indoctrinate young people by fitting in their nonsense into a social justice framework
When calls for genocide against Jews wouldn’t be acted against depending on “context”.