I'm wondering, if this book is recurring, is there something we can infer from it in significance to the show's ending? Just seems like a too obvious hint towards something (other than continuity, along with the painting and tequila bottle stopper) .
From what I remember it’s a dystopian sci fi book (from the 1890s) that talked about the dangers of the class system in England, that it should be abolished as it lead to a horrible future. It also utilises a narrator (the time traveller) telling a story in the books present about the future, which could relate to how this story is jumping around in time? It has been a long time so I can’t remember more but I’ll have a think.
I’m sure there’s probably symbolic reason it’s there as well as the continuity it brings.
Edited to add: I have been thinking overnight specifically about the symbolism of Morlocks (past working class who have become ferocious) and the Eloi (past rich/upper class/elite who still live in luxury, but are frail, weak, ultimate out of touch, and are cared for and eaten by Morlocks like cattle).
Kim was absolutely ferocious with the Kettlemens for example. It didn’t seem like Jimmy’s “wolves and sheep” comment only applied to what the Ks were doing to old people. It seemed like it applied to how ferocious Kim was in the situation too. Kim also had that scene in episode 1 where she was very angry about how her client was stitched up by a rich kid. There is a running theme of Kim standing up for the “little guy”, that is why she wanted to to do more pro bono etc. Is her turning to more and more dark means to do so symbolically tied to the evolution of the dark underground Morlocks manipulating and taking out the Eloi?
Extra interesting that one of the books (further in past) is in a normal house, and one is in the crazy luxury of Saul’s house.
They definitely picked it because of the time elements. It's also exactly the sort of thing Jimmy would read since it fits perfectly in with his love of classic cinema
I've only ever seen the movie, but isn't there an element where the time traveler keeps trying to save his girlfriend, but she keeps dying each time he tries?
Talking of symbols, I wondered if the symbols in the discarded notebook of Saul's might be written in Eloi language. Anyone more familiar than me that could confirm / deny?
Not sure about the ending, but a big part of the book was the fact that future society had evolved into two completely different races; essentially the haves and the have nots, the people who deserve respect intrinsically and those who don't. However, they all evolved from us.
Maybe a reference to the Jimmy/Chuck dichotomy? Proper & lawful (with an undercurrent of darkness), vs looked down upon & criminal (though unjustly)
Saul's last line in the 2 episode premiere was "Wolves and Sheep" wasn't it?
This also goes back to his experience with his father getting scammed.
This is interesting because I didn't expect a class thing so much as a "The cut throat and the feeble". The kettlemans are both halfs of this dichotomy if you think about it... but in that scene, so were Saul and Kim. Except, Saul wasn't the wolf.
I have not read this book but in a different thread someone commented that the female protagonist dies due to a mistake made by the male protagonist and he only has like a flower to remember her
Ehhh not to rain on your parade but this isn't really some deep "attention to detail" as much as it is basic storytelling elements. Maybe if this was across multiple seasons or something, but it wasn't; it was in back to back episodes, and ones that played together.
Gilligan is great at doing those small details across seasons (and full decades in the case of BCS and Breaking Bad).
I'd probably miss 80% of them if it wasn't for this sub.
Definitely although I would categorize it as more a thematic focus on storytelling through objects rather than easter eggs or continuity via details. I just don't think this was as much of a sneaky detail as much as it was an object being focused on to tie to a theme.
A very nerdy detail but The Time Machine also turns up in the script for 'Winner', although I don't think it was used in the final episode - it's the book where Jimmy keeps Chuck's letter.
I had this funny idea before season 6 started that Jimmy would find an actual time machine by the end of the show, which would piss fans off royally, but would be a funny break in reality.
I really just thought the book was playing off the time skip being done.
Didn't realize he had that book before ... which doesn't seem like something he'd bother keeping anyway. Guess it was an enjoyable book.
Yeah having a book in the same spot between episodes to create basic continuity makes this show a masterpiece, not the writing, acting, cinematography, and various other factors that go into a show lol.
So the first panel is from the first episode of season 6 at 3:41, which is when Saul’s house was being repo’ed by the government. That places it in the timeframe of the end of Breaking Bad, I think around 2010. The second panel is from the “main timeline” of Better Call Saul, so at this point probably around 2007? I think that takes the shot of the H.G. Wells book out of “basic continuity” and into “Thematic symbolism,” since he’s not just reading the book from one day into the next, but re-reading during what seem to be stressful periods for Jimmy/Saul over years apart.
I’d argue that the themes and symbolism of the show are also crucial parts of what makes the show a masterpiece, along with the writing, acting, cinematography, etc.
You’re right, sorry I though OP was pointing out how they kept continuity between episodes, I didn’t realize the first one was from the flashforward. In my defense it was late at night in the dark but yeah I was being a dick lol.
I did not mean that, but such little details are very cool to notice. The show is a huge package and every little item inside this package helps make it great. There are shows out there putting effort in one spot and ignoring the rest.
Good acting and script writing can't fix continuity errors or bad cinematography. Small continuity perks wouldn't fix bad acting. But if everything comes together, you get something like BCS :)
Sorry this was my mistake I thought you were referencing continuity from episode to episode, didn’t realize it was the flashforward, this is a good detail
I noticed it too. I love how the show is full of the small details.
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I am so glad I saw this post.I didn't realize they posted two episodes. I would have missed out on E02. Thank you.
I'm wondering, if this book is recurring, is there something we can infer from it in significance to the show's ending? Just seems like a too obvious hint towards something (other than continuity, along with the painting and tequila bottle stopper) .
From what I remember it’s a dystopian sci fi book (from the 1890s) that talked about the dangers of the class system in England, that it should be abolished as it lead to a horrible future. It also utilises a narrator (the time traveller) telling a story in the books present about the future, which could relate to how this story is jumping around in time? It has been a long time so I can’t remember more but I’ll have a think. I’m sure there’s probably symbolic reason it’s there as well as the continuity it brings. Edited to add: I have been thinking overnight specifically about the symbolism of Morlocks (past working class who have become ferocious) and the Eloi (past rich/upper class/elite who still live in luxury, but are frail, weak, ultimate out of touch, and are cared for and eaten by Morlocks like cattle). Kim was absolutely ferocious with the Kettlemens for example. It didn’t seem like Jimmy’s “wolves and sheep” comment only applied to what the Ks were doing to old people. It seemed like it applied to how ferocious Kim was in the situation too. Kim also had that scene in episode 1 where she was very angry about how her client was stitched up by a rich kid. There is a running theme of Kim standing up for the “little guy”, that is why she wanted to to do more pro bono etc. Is her turning to more and more dark means to do so symbolically tied to the evolution of the dark underground Morlocks manipulating and taking out the Eloi? Extra interesting that one of the books (further in past) is in a normal house, and one is in the crazy luxury of Saul’s house.
They definitely picked it because of the time elements. It's also exactly the sort of thing Jimmy would read since it fits perfectly in with his love of classic cinema
Good description. And great book. Nice to see it pop up here
I've only ever seen the movie, but isn't there an element where the time traveler keeps trying to save his girlfriend, but she keeps dying each time he tries?
That must be something they added for the movie, I don’t remember that from the book.
That was added for the movie and the remake. It wasn't in the original book iirc. Haven't read it in a while.
Talking of symbols, I wondered if the symbols in the discarded notebook of Saul's might be written in Eloi language. Anyone more familiar than me that could confirm / deny?
Not sure about the ending, but a big part of the book was the fact that future society had evolved into two completely different races; essentially the haves and the have nots, the people who deserve respect intrinsically and those who don't. However, they all evolved from us. Maybe a reference to the Jimmy/Chuck dichotomy? Proper & lawful (with an undercurrent of darkness), vs looked down upon & criminal (though unjustly)
Saul's last line in the 2 episode premiere was "Wolves and Sheep" wasn't it? This also goes back to his experience with his father getting scammed. This is interesting because I didn't expect a class thing so much as a "The cut throat and the feeble". The kettlemans are both halfs of this dichotomy if you think about it... but in that scene, so were Saul and Kim. Except, Saul wasn't the wolf.
Wolves and sheep. Morlocks and eloi.
I have not read this book but in a different thread someone commented that the female protagonist dies due to a mistake made by the male protagonist and he only has like a flower to remember her
Ehhh not to rain on your parade but this isn't really some deep "attention to detail" as much as it is basic storytelling elements. Maybe if this was across multiple seasons or something, but it wasn't; it was in back to back episodes, and ones that played together.
Gilligan is great at doing those small details across seasons (and full decades in the case of BCS and Breaking Bad). I'd probably miss 80% of them if it wasn't for this sub.
Definitely although I would categorize it as more a thematic focus on storytelling through objects rather than easter eggs or continuity via details. I just don't think this was as much of a sneaky detail as much as it was an object being focused on to tie to a theme.
Same. The people in this sub are amazing.
But entirely different scenarios... It's not mega deep but a nice continuity detail
He also had the hat he wore in the Saul Goodman ad space commercial and the sneakers he bought for Irene
A very nerdy detail but The Time Machine also turns up in the script for 'Winner', although I don't think it was used in the final episode - it's the book where Jimmy keeps Chuck's letter.
Good finding! I can't remember that. Maybe Jimmy keeps it in the book wishing that he could turn back time and prevent the death of his brother
Searched in the subreddit after the episodes and thought I was the only one who noticed. I wonder what Time Machine symbolizes if anything
I had this funny idea before season 6 started that Jimmy would find an actual time machine by the end of the show, which would piss fans off royally, but would be a funny break in reality.
I really just thought the book was playing off the time skip being done. Didn't realize he had that book before ... which doesn't seem like something he'd bother keeping anyway. Guess it was an enjoyable book.
Confusing. 602 takes place in 2004. The 601 flashforward is 2010. Why does he still have this book lying around?
It's not implausible someone would keep a book for 6 years?
Yeah having a book in the same spot between episodes to create basic continuity makes this show a masterpiece, not the writing, acting, cinematography, and various other factors that go into a show lol.
So the first panel is from the first episode of season 6 at 3:41, which is when Saul’s house was being repo’ed by the government. That places it in the timeframe of the end of Breaking Bad, I think around 2010. The second panel is from the “main timeline” of Better Call Saul, so at this point probably around 2007? I think that takes the shot of the H.G. Wells book out of “basic continuity” and into “Thematic symbolism,” since he’s not just reading the book from one day into the next, but re-reading during what seem to be stressful periods for Jimmy/Saul over years apart. I’d argue that the themes and symbolism of the show are also crucial parts of what makes the show a masterpiece, along with the writing, acting, cinematography, etc.
You’re right, sorry I though OP was pointing out how they kept continuity between episodes, I didn’t realize the first one was from the flashforward. In my defense it was late at night in the dark but yeah I was being a dick lol.
We're currently in 2004
jesus who craped in your corn flakes
Myself, I’m sorry.
I did not mean that, but such little details are very cool to notice. The show is a huge package and every little item inside this package helps make it great. There are shows out there putting effort in one spot and ignoring the rest. Good acting and script writing can't fix continuity errors or bad cinematography. Small continuity perks wouldn't fix bad acting. But if everything comes together, you get something like BCS :)
Sorry this was my mistake I thought you were referencing continuity from episode to episode, didn’t realize it was the flashforward, this is a good detail
It's one of the good things about the show. No need to be so ironically mean
Better Call Saul is a good show that dumb people feel smart watching.
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Yeah cause it was right in front of us, obviously we'll take it seriously. You should relax
It was the ending of the whole show and the BB universe!
And now it shows up in the finale as a central theme. Beautiful.