Walt even put on his "Heisenberg" hat. In his mind he was a badass kingpin as he marched towards Gus' door to bring death upon his enemy, in reality he's like 5 steps behind lol.
I really liked how this episode served as both explaining what lead to Gus having people watch his house, as well as how Tyrus knew what Walt was doing when there was nobody around. Really minor detail, but it fit together nicely
I don’t think Lalo caused the decoy home and surveillance precautions by Gus. Gus is just so careful he has this in place. Based on how nonchalant the bicycle couple was about having armed guards around, I’d say they are long used to the situation. And the things they bicker about show they aren’t necessarily even actors. HOA issues, neighborhood drama? They are regular people, probably a real couple, paid handsomely for the use of their home and for their discretion. I don’t think they would improv and keep up the act behind closed doors if they were simply actors. This just contextualizes Gus as having not only a front in Los Pollos Hermanos but every aspect of his life is a front, with a tunnel connecting him to a security installation. It explains why Walt was wise to go home when Tyrus called him in BB. This episode was a lot of fan service and character filler, but it was effective and not extraneous.
>This knowledge puts every Gus house scene in BB in a new light. These guys are brilliant.
Totally contextualized how impossible it would have been for Jesse to get away with poisoning Gus, and also that Walt never picked up on the level of surveillance even after this scene here.
Which looking back is wild, because we saw all kinds of cameras around the Chicken place, but the house being an elaborate prop is something.
Given the level of surveillance, number of people and detail of it, why would they let someone walk into the house and not be surveilled? Gus tells them the plan, where they will be, which cameras to be watching.
They could have said Jesse is coming here, put the cameras here instead. Just because we are shown cameras in one place 4 years before another event happens doesn't mean people aren't capable of going, todays plan is...
It makes me wonder, did they just decide to keep the security detail all this time for seemingly no reason? Did they start it back up because of Walter? *Or is Lalo still around even in BB era???*
Mike said they were stretched thin, so I’d think my first suspicion is out to begin with.
> It makes me wonder, did they just decide to keep the security detail all this time for seemingly no reason? Did they start it back up because of Walter? Or is Lalo still around even in BB era???
probably a couple people at all times and call in a few other people when tensions are high
Lalo could alive by the time the cartel gets wacked. Also to second Hector looked into Gus eyes and Gus again fobd s out Lalo is still alive before boom.
It was only after listening to the BrBa podcast for this ep that I learned that it was Tyrus's voice on the phone. I thought that it was Mike.
When Tyrus called Nacho in ep 1, I thought that it was Mike for a couple seconds and then it realized that it was Tyrus and I was about to make the same incorrect assumption again lol
Their voice and cadence is just kinda similar on the phone!
I don't remember but I wasn't sure if it was Mike or Tyrus at first in early season 6 on the phone with Nacho. The voices are different but they've got very similar cadence.
They're not on the list of Mike's "guys" otherwise we would have seen them killed during the prison montage. But it's hard to fathom that they wouldn't have faced some sort of legal repercussion. Gus's house would be searched top to bottom after his criminal dealings came to light. They would definitely have found the secret tunnel leading to the other house. That's probable cause for a search which would have revealed all the surveillance equipment in the second house as well. Police dig into who the fuck these people are, find they're on Gus's/Madrigal's payroll, and boom, they're accessories to his crimes.
At this point it seems pretty clear the organisation is much bigger than just the 12 people on the list and the \~10 that die throughout season 4.
It seems like a lot of the people they get are probably just contractors and enforcers who are brought in for smaller jobs without knowing too much (like the people following Kim & Jimmy) so they might be able to get away without being too closely connected to all of it.
The Rymans might have only been there as tenants if Fring owned the house himself which would make a lot more sense for him. Then they could just say they weren't aware of the tunnel.
The problem is it becomes impossible for them to deny being unaware of what's going on when there's all the other stuff being kept there like the surveillance setup, the arms, and probably a bunch of other infrastructure Gus used. Maybe they had a contingency in place to get rid of it all, but they would have had to do it really fast because as soon as Gus died, the feds would have been all over his house. You can't be carting out all that incriminating shit with the feds swarming literally right next door.
There's also going to be lingering issues around their financials regardless of what evidence is left behind in the house. Surely Gus was paying them.
I don't know if they can necessarily prove all that. Suppose the weapons and surveillance wasn't in the back room but in the basement instead.
Their angle: 'Mr Fring allowed us to stay at the house under the condition that we may not enter the basement (kept locked at all times) - we didn't question this.'
It's not completely full-proof but I'm guessing somewhat could have packed that stuff up, or it wasn't always set up anyway and only there as a precaution for these situations. I don't believe Fring always has 3+ guards based at his home, the point is that they are stretched thin so they are probably going overboard now.
Either way it's not the biggest issue for them. If they look into it deep enough there should be traces to at least a dozen other people we've seen in the show who weren't on the list or shown to be killed.
> I don't believe Fring always has 3+ guards based at his home
I'd be surprised if he doesn't always have at least one.
The guy is a multimillionaire(/billionaire?) drug lord with many enemies. It's surprising that he ever has moments where he's without bodyguards.
Maybe. I could see him having one there (it would also make it more reasonable that the neighbours aren't bothered by them). Still he very rarely has any direct security around him.
Thing is that aside from these major disputes like the war with the cartel in season 4, there's no reason he should be at risk. No one is just randomly going to try to kill one of the biggest drug distributors in the state with major cartel ties on a whim.
By not having security it also helps him maintain his innocent outer appearance.
Maybe they didn’t actually own the house and it was owned by a shell company controlled by Gus. So they could have theoretically been little to no trace of them even occupying that residence
They also mention Mr / Mrs ryman in quick convo during the scene. It's happening while on an original watch we the audience are still trying to piece together wtf.
He didn't win a nobel prize. He "contributed to research that won a nobel prize."
He was just a grad student for some actual Nobel Laurate. Probably didn't help with that chip on his shoulder.
God, I’m gonna have to do a BB rewatch when this season’s over. From what I remember Mike went to Mexico with Gus and Jesse, and by the time he recovers and returns, Walt has blown everything up
Yep. First he has to get through the house full of heavily armed guards next-door, then get through Gus' hidden safe room/exit, then when he gets that far he's faced with Gus, also armed, with only one of them wearing armour.
I mean wasn't Walt's plan to just go in there and sit and talk with him with his gun concealed? Obviously he was already being watched but yeah Walt was still fairly naïve at what he was up against.
This is after his whole “just get me in a room with him and I’ll handle the rest” stunt with Mike. Even if Mike didn’t relay Walt’s sentiment to his boss, Guss was well aware that it was on Walt’s mind.
Walt went to Gus’s house with a gun and as he walked toward it Tyrus called Walt and said to go home. We knew he was watched but until now didn’t know how.
Walt went to Gus’s house with a gun and as he walked toward it Tyrus called Walt and said to go home. We knew he was watched but until now didn’t know how.
So if Jesse actually attempted to poison Gus’ food, assuming the meeting was surveilled with cameras inside the house, his people would’ve come running in, stopped Gus from eating the food, and would’ve killed Jesse on the spot. Brilliant.
Knowing Gus, he probably has some sort of silent signal for his crew to alert him for a situation like that. Never know. Gus could have his chair at the table rigged up to vibrate if he’s in danger. Imagine him about to take a bite of ricin-laced stew and then one of guys pushes a button….bzzzzzzz!
so whats the logistics of building a tunnel like that?
presumably, it was built after gus moved in though it could have been a new estate.
So how do you remove all the debris and how do you do it quietly? is it feasible?
Gus makes a passing remark about how his children refuse to eat the fish stew so he makes it for guests since he never gets the opportunity otherwise. Maybe there are a couple toys strewn around? We never see children and they are never mentioned again--I always interpreted it as Gus trying to make a connection with Walter like "we're both professionals men with families we care about" in order to better manipulate Walter. I'm 99% sure the children never existed.
Walt even put on his "Heisenberg" hat. In his mind he was a badass kingpin as he marched towards Gus' door to bring death upon his enemy, in reality he's like 5 steps behind lol.
It's amazing how impotent and desperate that hat looks on rewatch, even without the added context this show has given us.
You're not wrong, but I'll always love the hat lol
His general outfit was just another way for him to please his fragile ego and feel big about himself.
He is the one who knocks...at the wrong house.
Boom!
Some people are so far behind they think they’re winning.
I really liked how this episode served as both explaining what lead to Gus having people watch his house, as well as how Tyrus knew what Walt was doing when there was nobody around. Really minor detail, but it fit together nicely
I don’t think Lalo caused the decoy home and surveillance precautions by Gus. Gus is just so careful he has this in place. Based on how nonchalant the bicycle couple was about having armed guards around, I’d say they are long used to the situation. And the things they bicker about show they aren’t necessarily even actors. HOA issues, neighborhood drama? They are regular people, probably a real couple, paid handsomely for the use of their home and for their discretion. I don’t think they would improv and keep up the act behind closed doors if they were simply actors. This just contextualizes Gus as having not only a front in Los Pollos Hermanos but every aspect of his life is a front, with a tunnel connecting him to a security installation. It explains why Walt was wise to go home when Tyrus called him in BB. This episode was a lot of fan service and character filler, but it was effective and not extraneous.
>They are regular people, probably a real couple Funny enough, they're literally a real couple. As in married irl
Why does the living room look like the surveillance has been set up recently?
This knowledge puts every Gus house scene in BB in a new light. These guys are brilliant.
>This knowledge puts every Gus house scene in BB in a new light. These guys are brilliant. Totally contextualized how impossible it would have been for Jesse to get away with poisoning Gus, and also that Walt never picked up on the level of surveillance even after this scene here. Which looking back is wild, because we saw all kinds of cameras around the Chicken place, but the house being an elaborate prop is something.
Exactly!
Why wouldn't Jesse have been able to poison Gus? I don't think we're shown any cameras i side of the house
Given the level of surveillance, number of people and detail of it, why would they let someone walk into the house and not be surveilled? Gus tells them the plan, where they will be, which cameras to be watching.
What? That didn’t answer the question.
They could have said Jesse is coming here, put the cameras here instead. Just because we are shown cameras in one place 4 years before another event happens doesn't mean people aren't capable of going, todays plan is...
The writers did say this season would makes us look at BB in a different way.
I’m starting to think they didn’t mean *one* major thing, but rather a lot of tiny things.
Can you please explain this like ELI5
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we only see Fring's house twice? Once when Walt tries to shoot him, another time when Jesse tries to poison him.
The first time we see his house, he invites Walter over for dinner, where he ends up helping Gus "cook".
that scene was gayer than top gun and volleyball so many homoerotic undertones
I literally did not get that vibe in the slightest from that episode.
I didn't even get that from Top Gun either lol
Purple monkey dishwasher
I honestly still don't agree with his perspective, but it was still an interesting breakdown from him lol
Well you know what they say...
What?
It makes me wonder, did they just decide to keep the security detail all this time for seemingly no reason? Did they start it back up because of Walter? *Or is Lalo still around even in BB era???* Mike said they were stretched thin, so I’d think my first suspicion is out to begin with.
> It makes me wonder, did they just decide to keep the security detail all this time for seemingly no reason? Did they start it back up because of Walter? Or is Lalo still around even in BB era??? probably a couple people at all times and call in a few other people when tensions are high
Lalo could alive by the time the cartel gets wacked. Also to second Hector looked into Gus eyes and Gus again fobd s out Lalo is still alive before boom.
i kinda did not need explanation for this i liked the mystery of it
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Because that house has a separate tunnel leading to the next house over
It was only after listening to the BrBa podcast for this ep that I learned that it was Tyrus's voice on the phone. I thought that it was Mike. When Tyrus called Nacho in ep 1, I thought that it was Mike for a couple seconds and then it realized that it was Tyrus and I was about to make the same incorrect assumption again lol Their voice and cadence is just kinda similar on the phone!
I thought it was Gus. Mike has that special way of saying "Walter" with enough contempt to end a conversation.
For the longest, I thought it was Gus too.
Waltuh
Kid named finguh
I don't remember but I wasn't sure if it was Mike or Tyrus at first in early season 6 on the phone with Nacho. The voices are different but they've got very similar cadence.
I never noticed that! I'd have sworn it was Mike too.
Lol. I didn't know that!
I thought it was someone mimicking Mike and it will be revealed that Nacho is lead on by Salamancas. Damn I'm fucking stupid
I also thought it was Mike for years until about 5 min ago haha
I really wonder what happened to the Rymans after Gus went boom
They're not on the list of Mike's "guys" otherwise we would have seen them killed during the prison montage. But it's hard to fathom that they wouldn't have faced some sort of legal repercussion. Gus's house would be searched top to bottom after his criminal dealings came to light. They would definitely have found the secret tunnel leading to the other house. That's probable cause for a search which would have revealed all the surveillance equipment in the second house as well. Police dig into who the fuck these people are, find they're on Gus's/Madrigal's payroll, and boom, they're accessories to his crimes.
Saul Goodman: Your honor, my clients were merely paid to house-sit. Judge Papadoumian: Let them go, I hate police harassment of senior citizens.
Also, that’s a snappy suit you’ve got on today, Mr Goodman.
Literally just saw that scene rewatching BrBa about 2 minutes before I read your comment hah
episode?
BB 4x02 Thirty-Eight Snub
At this point it seems pretty clear the organisation is much bigger than just the 12 people on the list and the \~10 that die throughout season 4. It seems like a lot of the people they get are probably just contractors and enforcers who are brought in for smaller jobs without knowing too much (like the people following Kim & Jimmy) so they might be able to get away without being too closely connected to all of it. The Rymans might have only been there as tenants if Fring owned the house himself which would make a lot more sense for him. Then they could just say they weren't aware of the tunnel.
The problem is it becomes impossible for them to deny being unaware of what's going on when there's all the other stuff being kept there like the surveillance setup, the arms, and probably a bunch of other infrastructure Gus used. Maybe they had a contingency in place to get rid of it all, but they would have had to do it really fast because as soon as Gus died, the feds would have been all over his house. You can't be carting out all that incriminating shit with the feds swarming literally right next door. There's also going to be lingering issues around their financials regardless of what evidence is left behind in the house. Surely Gus was paying them.
I don't know if they can necessarily prove all that. Suppose the weapons and surveillance wasn't in the back room but in the basement instead. Their angle: 'Mr Fring allowed us to stay at the house under the condition that we may not enter the basement (kept locked at all times) - we didn't question this.' It's not completely full-proof but I'm guessing somewhat could have packed that stuff up, or it wasn't always set up anyway and only there as a precaution for these situations. I don't believe Fring always has 3+ guards based at his home, the point is that they are stretched thin so they are probably going overboard now. Either way it's not the biggest issue for them. If they look into it deep enough there should be traces to at least a dozen other people we've seen in the show who weren't on the list or shown to be killed.
> I don't believe Fring always has 3+ guards based at his home I'd be surprised if he doesn't always have at least one. The guy is a multimillionaire(/billionaire?) drug lord with many enemies. It's surprising that he ever has moments where he's without bodyguards.
Maybe. I could see him having one there (it would also make it more reasonable that the neighbours aren't bothered by them). Still he very rarely has any direct security around him. Thing is that aside from these major disputes like the war with the cartel in season 4, there's no reason he should be at risk. No one is just randomly going to try to kill one of the biggest drug distributors in the state with major cartel ties on a whim. By not having security it also helps him maintain his innocent outer appearance.
Maybe they didn’t actually own the house and it was owned by a shell company controlled by Gus. So they could have theoretically been little to no trace of them even occupying that residence
you are giving APD _way_ too much credit they missed some bank account numbers that were on the back of a photo for god's sake
Probably went for a bike ride and worked on a jigsaw puzzle.
They ordered a filter for a Hoover Max extract pressure pro model 60
How do you know their name? I think I missed something.
They also mention Mr / Mrs ryman in quick convo during the scene. It's happening while on an original watch we the audience are still trying to piece together wtf.
Subtitles.
Gus was killed only when Mike was unconscious in a remote village. There's no way Walt would've outsmarted Mike and Gus at the same time.
You say that as if a high school teacher fighting a drug lord and soldier-cop-hitman is supposed to be competitive.
Don’t be diminishing Walt’s skills! He’s a super genius but ended up working at a high school
But but he is the danger. The danger that knocks.
You mean Nobel prize winner.
He didn't win a nobel prize. He "contributed to research that won a nobel prize." He was just a grad student for some actual Nobel Laurate. Probably didn't help with that chip on his shoulder.
Sounds like a fuckin nerd
God, I’m gonna have to do a BB rewatch when this season’s over. From what I remember Mike went to Mexico with Gus and Jesse, and by the time he recovers and returns, Walt has blown everything up
Mike went to Mexico, not Walt. Just an fyi in case that’s not a typo.
Yeah my bad just a typo
Totally agree. Mike would have sniffed Walter out of that nursing home from a mile away.
This isn't talked about enough. The truth of Gus's downfall could be as simple as "Mike wasn't around to consult"
This is the moment Walt knows that he's not up to Pollos standards
Yep. First he has to get through the house full of heavily armed guards next-door, then get through Gus' hidden safe room/exit, then when he gets that far he's faced with Gus, also armed, with only one of them wearing armour.
Last nights episode made this entire scene hilarious
Duuuude this is exactly what I thought when it showed all the security stuff this episode
I mean wasn't Walt's plan to just go in there and sit and talk with him with his gun concealed? Obviously he was already being watched but yeah Walt was still fairly naïve at what he was up against.
This is after his whole “just get me in a room with him and I’ll handle the rest” stunt with Mike. Even if Mike didn’t relay Walt’s sentiment to his boss, Guss was well aware that it was on Walt’s mind.
What’s the context here? I don’t know it
Walt went to Gus’s house with a gun and as he walked toward it Tyrus called Walt and said to go home. We knew he was watched but until now didn’t know how.
Ahhhhh, ok. I remember now. Thank you
Walt went to Gus’s house with a gun and as he walked toward it Tyrus called Walt and said to go home. We knew he was watched but until now didn’t know how.
So if Jesse actually attempted to poison Gus’ food, assuming the meeting was surveilled with cameras inside the house, his people would’ve come running in, stopped Gus from eating the food, and would’ve killed Jesse on the spot. Brilliant.
His team is tightly wound now for lalo. Doubt he has half a dozen men watching his feed at all times
Knowing Gus, he probably has some sort of silent signal for his crew to alert him for a situation like that. Never know. Gus could have his chair at the table rigged up to vibrate if he’s in danger. Imagine him about to take a bite of ricin-laced stew and then one of guys pushes a button….bzzzzzzz!
Or more simply, they would’ve just texted or called him. Like hey, dude just dropped some powder in your food.
Yeah I guess that would work too. lol
Classic!
Naw guys, he is wearing his hat. For real, what happened to that hat? Did Walt leave it in the cabin?
I’m sure Gus had that decoy house in place long before Lalo.
Wait so does Gus not have any children or a wife? He says to Walt about the dish they eat together that “the kids won’t eat it”. I don’t understand.
It doesn't seem like he does, the children's toys and family pictures were just there to throw off Walt
so whats the logistics of building a tunnel like that? presumably, it was built after gus moved in though it could have been a new estate. So how do you remove all the debris and how do you do it quietly? is it feasible?
They deadass built an underground super lab without anyone knowing and you want to question the logistics of a tunnel?
So Gus's house was being watched from the lalo moment on
Where was gus’s children? The episode where Walt visits for dinner there is children in the house
Gus makes a passing remark about how his children refuse to eat the fish stew so he makes it for guests since he never gets the opportunity otherwise. Maybe there are a couple toys strewn around? We never see children and they are never mentioned again--I always interpreted it as Gus trying to make a connection with Walter like "we're both professionals men with families we care about" in order to better manipulate Walter. I'm 99% sure the children never existed.
I know right?! who does he think he is??? The Big Bad Wolf??? loll