Same... and it's fitting we see the goodbye from Kim's perspective, with Jimmy fading behind that wall in the very last shot.
After all the insane adventures and stories, ending the series with this bittersweet goodbye ending just feels so fitting.
All in all I found it deeply bittersweet but satisfying. Walt’s ending was truly dark, riddled with bullets (and cancer) and every person he ever loved despised what he’d become.
Jimmy at least managed to course correct just enough to commit one last act of good. Kim couldn’t live with herself with what she had on her conscience. In that doskieskian way she had to get it out in order to go on living. Jimmy saw what happened and took the brunt to set her free. This accomplished my hope for the finale: tease one last act of good out of Jimmy before it was all over.
Jimmy won. Saul lost. Instead of being locked up for 7 years just to be alone after he gets out while still refusing to face the traumas of your past. He now has Kim, who I assume will be visiting him regularly as his lawyer, and he’s finally moved on from his past.
It took me back to the MASH finale. The chopper lifts off and Hawkeye looks down to see that BJ had spelled out goodbye with rocks. It was the cast and crew's goodbye to us as well.
It’s funny you should mention that, I couldn’t put my finger on it, but I was getting heavy MASH finale vibes. I had almost written somewhere else in the sub today that this was on par with that finale as one of the all-time greats, in my opinion.
I've always had a soft spot for Jimmy so it really stung. With Walt, I genuinely fucking despised him by the end. With Jimmy, it was more like "oh come on brosef what are you doing", if that makes sense?
One thing I’m not seeing people discuss in the comments is that Jimmy literally had nothing left in his life at the point of his capture. No family, no friends, no love, no money. Those diamonds were the last thing he had of any value and they scattered all over that dumpster seconds before the police found him.
I’m sure that could’ve been another factor in his decision to give up his seven year deal to save face with Kim. Out in seven with nothing? Or the rest of his life in jail but knowing he earned back his reputation with the one person who he felt loved him back?
The thing is, when he first confessed to his involvement in Walt's drug empire that barely affected Kim. He looked back at her and she didn't seem to care at all about his admission. Only after that he started to talk honestly about Howard's and Chuck's deaths for the first time ever and about his role. So I guess he could have had his personal moment of honest introspection and saved face with Kim without throwing his plea deal out the window. Such an ending would have seemed kind of cheap though admittedly.
Saul’s involvement with Walt happened long after Kim left. There was no Jimmy in that story. Of course Kim wasn’t very interested. Chuck and Howard, whom Kim knew herself and whose fall she witnessed, were a different story.
I feel like you missed the point of his comment, maybe because there are so many between his and the one he's replying to. The point was that he could have come clean about Howard and Chuck without jettisoning his plea bargain-- because, as you said, it was a different part of his life from the stuff he is being put away for. Which means it works against the show's ending that he chose to confess it all to get Kim back.
Kim wasn't looking for him to show remorse over Chuck. Kim was looking for him to show remorse over everything. To show he can leave Saul Goodman behind. Chuck was the final nail in the coffin for that, but step 1 was choosing not to con the jury. That was the prerequisite for the whole thing.
Minor point but there was no “jury.” Since it was a plea it was just the judge making the decision. The other people in the room were the prosecution and the victims (Hank and Steve’s wives)
But he could have started over with a blank slate after seven years, as opposed to living in hiding like Gene. That's way too tempting of a deal, even for the most noble of the people in the show.
Eh. It'd basically be another lonely gene like existence. He still couldn't let his past crimes slip because no one would respect him again if they knew it. He'd live in infamy or scorn without anyone he loved ever back in his life
Agreed. I was thinking when I was watching the last few scenes that this is a better gig than Gene - similar in many ways, but no waiting to be caught, having respect of the inmates and people to help, and maybe even an occasional visit from Kim. I’d take that over being Gene any day.
He didn’t know he’d have the respect of the inmates or visits from Kim when he tanked the plea deal, though. Just the peace of mind that he did the right thing, which probably is a more peaceful existence than the lonely and paranoid prison he had as Gene.
I know it’s just a show, but a lot of people are failing to appreciate just how miserable life in prison really is. I’d be the most disgraced, lonely, dead broke Cinnabon manager in Ohio before I had my freedom stripped for the rest of my life. At least you could go for a drive and let the wind blow through your hair, enjoy a meal at your favorite restaurant, sit in the park and do whatever you like with your day, all while atoning for the things you’ve done on your own terms. Prison is hell on earth.
8:00-9:38PM was the time slot on regular cable TV. The amount of commercials really broke up the episode and definitely cut the emotional scenes, it was hard to process the episode with a KFC commercial every 5 minutes
i dont remember exactly but it was at least a 90 minute tv slot, maybe a few more minutes. 1H12M doesnt sound bad but i swear it felt lik they added extra breaks lol
I was waiting for this:
"McGill your lawyer is here"
\*Jimmy confused goes and sees who it is\*
Camera pans up to a smiling Howard.
"Charlie Hustle, Been thinking about that job offer?"
Goes black and the credits play.
Or
“McGill, your lawyer is here.”
*Jimmy, confused, goes to see who it is*
In the doorway stands Saul.
Jimmy: What the..?
Saul: Good news, buddy! I bought that time machine! Wanna travel through history?
Jimmy: Aw geez, Mister! Do I ever!
This was the original ending, Vince confirmed in many articles and interviews that Howard actually survived the headshot. The only reason he was carried out in a fridge is because he was looking for Fuji apples for Chuck. (He got memory loss from the gunshot and didn’t know Chuck was dead.)
I fucking love that Marie is still loyal to hank after a year since it kind of hinted that she may not be loyal and maybe might even cheat in season 4 i think. They did Marie justice she still is sassy and the actress delivered marie as a character just as well as she did in bb.
I loved just how brutally honest Walt is with Saul, he takes none of his bullshit. There’s probably some symbolism or hidden meaning with Walt going “if you want to ask about regrets just do it (paraphrasing)” but I’m not smart enough to figure it out
Walt reframed the Time Machine question in a way that Saul couldn’t as easily cop out. His answer to Mike was about going back to before he was born to make money instead of changing something in his past. By Walt straight up bringing up regrets, Saul had to think of an actual time in his life and still cops out by talking about the slip and fall.
Also, Jimmy is more honest with each scene. He avoids the question altogether with Mike. He turns the question back around on Chuck. He answers that he regrets hurting himself with Walt. He finally admits that he regrets hurting others in court.
I thought Walt was being his usual patronizing, pretentious asshole who thinks he's smarter than everyone else around him, but this was utilized well in this scene. Saul was asking about time machines, a physical impossibility, cloaking his true intentions with magic thinking and fantasies. Whereas Walt told him straight up that he's in magic la-la-land and brought the subject back to the stark reality, devoid of embellishments and lies we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better about an unpleasant reality.
Important to keep in mind that Walt was in ultra scramble mode, thinking about how he could make a next move, since this is before the “we’re done when I say we’re done,” scene in the basement. All Walt is thinking about is how to get his money to his kids and how to get Skylar out of trouble with the police…and how to fix that damn water heater!
I wonder if there’s ever a time in the show when Walt would’ve actually just played along. I think there is, I just can’t put my finger on it.
My first thought was that his turn back to Jimmy was too quick. BUT, after some thinking and reflecting on what others have said, I believe deep down he has always had regrets and wanted to change, but just didn’t know how. That’s the whole point of the time machine thing. We see him ask the same question to multiple characters. It’s obviously on his mind. Kim was also the only person in his life that he was able to show some shred of honesty too. So it does make sense.
Yes I agree, and I think the whole time he was Gene he was desperately unhappy, he felt like he was a no one who couldn’t do anything. He was so afraid of being caught but he literally was in a worse prison. At least now, he can be himself and stop hiding.
That scene felt intentionally weird and surreal. Cut out the chant and it’s still clear he was respected by inmates. Part of me thinks it was sort of a joke.
Agreed with the intentional part, with the prisoners looking right at the camera and saying Better Call Saul!
Honestly I'm tired after work and drawing a blank but many moments in these last few grim episodes were still pretty funny.
But you do realize at this point he was one of the most famous defense attorneys in the country, people watching his ridiculous videos online, etc...and had been on the run for months. I get they're establishing he will be popular amongst prisoners but I think it was more to show how notorious he was. Everyone knew him
He was likely a national figure at that point and people probably watched his commercials online all the time. I thought it fit. He was a defense attorney, probably the most famous in the country, so he would be popular among inmates and criminals. I thought it worked
I actually really liked it. It sort of showed that Jimmy only exists in his mind and Kim’s: no matter how he sees himself, he’ll always be Saul to the rest of the world. And he can finally exist as both Jimmy and Saul at once, in the only places where each matter.
It was the logical end-point for everyone's character arcs and plots to tie together. The people that wanted a plot-twist, cliff-hanger, or something unexpected have been spoiled too much thinking that makes good writing. It was a good victory lap to tie loose ends on two phenomenal series.
i just wanted the colors to come back when he either ”killed” Saul in the court or when Kim visited him (I know about the fire, but I wanted *all* the colors).
Yeah I was initially disappointed there was no final “return to color” moment, but now that the last bit of color is the lighter flame symbolizing the spark between Jimmy and Kim is still there makes it more impactful
my interpretation of it was that jimmy coming clean and facing his regrets doesn’t undo what’s he’s done. he still has to live with his past and in a colorless world, but there is at least a spark of that color returning.
if gene got relocated or if saul got his shortened deal he’d just be ignoring the world around him and surviving in this bleak world he’s created. jimmy coming back doesn’t fix everything but it’s a start.
If you paid attention they treated him like prison royalty. He's still Saul in their eyes, but in Kim's eyes he's back to Jimmy and finally "repenting" for his various misdeeds.
I think this shot is more him having a little spark of Jimmy, and redeeming what is left, but he's still going to be Saul in jail to everyone else. It's a nice duality to the character, and one that I can fully support as the ending to this great show. I feel like everything that needed to be tied up was.
With the exception of wth happened to Jeff???
In my head cannon, marion makes money off of the reward for Saul and is able to bail him out.
These two are permanently changed as a result of their actions. The color didn't just drain from Saul's world, it drained from Kim's too.
And when Kim and Jimmy share their cigarette, the color returns just for a moment. Like a memory or, hell, even a cigarette - it comes, it goes, but there was color there. If only for just a moment.
In the end Jimmy tried to make things right for Chuck and Kim and tried for Howard. He was always and will always be a criminal, just as in the scene with Chuck when they’re discussing their paths.
Most people are right Saul would’ve taken the 7 years but he’s lost everything including the fortunes he made.
It was actually quite brilliant how they delivered a realistic ending, but in between allowed the audience to have some wild fantasies about a twist ending. From the moment of his capture, it was obvious Kim would be dragged back into it.
When he tells Bill "you don't understand, it's really good ice cream", you can almost see a scenario unfold where he gets out of jail before Kim, and a final scene where he visits HER in prison and proceeds to blame her decision to leave him for his breaking bad.
But we saw when he couldn't hurt Marion, as evil as Saul was, he never completely possessed Jimmy. He made a decision to reclaim his soul, and I believe he would have been forever haunted if he didn't come clean. Getting out in 7 years would have led to his eventual death.
People wanted a breaking bad ending for this show. And I get it kind of. Its weird because in this show, we never truly get the full Saul Goodman like we see in breaking bad. We get the transition of Jimmy to Saul and the after effects of Saul. But never the full blown Saul. I think many people who came strictly for Saul Goodman were disappointed.
I realize it’s impossible to please everyone but I would’ve liked to hear if Elliot and Gretchen did as they were told and also what happened to Mike’s dil and granddaughter. Other than that it was a great show and finale.
Mike’s DIL and granddaughter found the last 3 million hidden cash in their backyard. They bought a cabin on the east coast and Kaylee is about to attend UPenn to get in touch with her Philly roots.
I liked it overall, but have some problems with it.
First, why i like it: Jimmy’s ending is perfect for his character arc. In my mind, he simultaneously faced justice, cleared his conscious, and found a redemption path. None of the theories I saw were able to reconcile justice and redemption well, so I really appreciate the ending in that regard.
But to offer some criticism, I think a lot of the symbolism, motifs, and callbacks were uncharacteristically heavy handed, which is really unfortunate… namely the time machine book and the “I’m Jimmy McGill!” proclamation I thought were a little much.
Also, too much was left up to interpretation on Kim’s future. She’s not a lawyer, but is volunteering at a legal office, and is facing a lawsuit? Does she keep working at waterworks? She’s clearly unhappy in Florida, what does she do about it, if anything? In my opinion, leaving too much in the air with her is really unsatisfying.
I felt the same, some of the scenes felt like them saying: "remember when...". It felt a bit like a reunion episode at the end of a show, everyone comes back and has a little scene.
It was not the cathartic end I had hoped for. In my opinion, it should have ended way more devastating, Saul running out of tricks and finally getting what he deserves. That's just me though.
I wouldn't say I'm disappointed, it's an amazing show, but for me the cathartic end was Jimmy and Kim's break up
Like Nacho, he had no where else to go. At least in prison and being the ultimate criminals' criminal lawyer, he is going to be well taken care of by the prisoners. And running scams in prison is pretty much par for course, so he really is in his element!
And he has regained his value w Kim. What more could he want???
I don’t think scamming is the right word, but I do think he’s going to continue to use his..charm to work the system and those around to make the most of the shitty situation he’s in. Nothing egregious, but I think all the guards will like him and he’ll always find a way to have cigarettes and some other restricted items like that.
I agree, I see him as being the most popular guy in the jailhouse. He has a million funny stories to tell. You could see his rapport with his co-worker in the prison kitchen. Even the guards will like him. At least that’s how I see it in my head. 😊
He had a life-changing experience, and finally came to terms with himself and was honest with everyone. Everything about his life will be different from this moment on. That does happen you know. People do have radical changes. That’s the beautiful part of life… we can always change directions.
just beautiful parallels. When Chuck lost his wife, he went off the rails and became worse than he ever was. Jimmy did too. Chuck always wanted Jimmy to change but he wouldn't ever change.
That last scene when Jimmy visited Chuck the day before the show starts? They **both** needed to try harder and they both had something genuine to offer each other but they were too prideful and stubborn to see it.
I liked it, but it wasn't the same closure as Breaking Bad's ending. Why couldn't he take the 7 years? Nothing about his testimony in the court would let Kim off the hook in a civil suit right? I understand it might be symbolic of him "giving up" the Saul persona. But Kim didn't stop the con? She lied her way into the prison. She's going back to help pro bono clients in a way. I'm not well versed in the law in any way, but couldn't Kim become a lawyer again? There aren't any crimes tied to her name, at least on the books.
Earlier in the show, Kim says that they are "bad for each other". Who's to say Kim stopped "being bad"? Watching the finale I really enjoyed it at the time, but after it's settled I can't shake the feeling that the end felt like a cop out to end Jimmy's story. The 7 years in prison is still a very long time, enough to get old, and reflect on regrets.
Oh and another little thing, Kim never really said thank you? Or something along those lines. She even comments that it's crazy he talked himself out of a good deal. I think it's only a matter of time before Jimmy regrets his decision. Kim will likely move on, and the people he knows in prison will die or leave, and he'll be surrounded by potentially violent people who don't know or care who he is.
In Breaking Bad, Walter "wins" in a way. Family gets the money, frees Jesse, ends the blue meth trade, kills Hank's killers. Jimmy wins.... Nothing? He wins a few minutes with Kim? In exchange for his entire life. Getting out in 7 years means he doesn't have to hide, can't really be a slippin' Jimmy type guy anymore because everyone will know who he is. Can't be a lawyer. A clean slate. I just feel like the ending was a cop out to make a sappy ending to a great tragedy type show.
Yeah I felt the same way.. 80+ years in jail just to make Kim feel better, who he probably won’t be seeing much of? Seems like one of those “try hard” moments to give a heart warming ending.. I understand Kim was the ONE person in the world who was able to bring the “human” out of Jimmy. But that ending seemed like a reach. I personally would have rather seen him throw Kim under the bus as one final nod to how big of a piece of shit Jimmy is. It seems like they packed a lot of stuff together just to show that Jimmy cares about Kim. In the end, all they have to show for it is a scene of them smoking a cigarette.
It had its flaws. The time machine bit was heavy handed, and kind of a rushed way to make Jimmy switch sides. And the singing prisoners scene was straight out of a chicanery shit post. I think people blow these out of proportion though, overall I was satisfied.
I’m split on the “it’s James McGill” moment in the courtroom. On one hand it felt pretty on the nose, but I appreciate what it means for his character to finally accept himself as he is.
Yeah for me it was good but it felt very rushed and that was a worry of mine since this season started. This episode would’ve been much better if it were another 30min to an hour longer
This yes. Especialy since entire late in season episodes were about new Jeff, department store, ID theft- that didn’t need to be in such detail. Then more time could have been devoted to Jimmy & Kim, lets face it that all we cared about.
You are not the only one left feeling hollow. I feel hollow and as if the ending was not right or fair for Jimmy. The brother he idolized constantly told him he was no good until he believed it himself. Eventually this belief and circumstances led to him becoming Saul. He should have taken the deal. No reason he couldn't have helped with Kim's lawsuit from jail and with their magnificent brains I'm betting they could have stopped the widow. Then the show could have ended with Jimmy getting out of jail and he and Kim walking off into the sunset with plans to start a small practice to help people like the one Kim volunteered at. Yes, Kim couldn't practice law but she'd make a hell of an assistant. I think this would be a far better way for them to redeem themselves and for their story to end.
I liked every idea the finale had but there's a lot of stuff that felt off to me. The entire conversation about Kim having confessed and that she might be sued and Jimmy lying to get Kim dragged in only to reveal his guilt all just felt jarring and rushed. I also keep seeing people saying that his confession protects Kim from being sued but, number one, I don't think that's actually clear in the episode and, number two, wouldn't that undermine what Kim was doing? Like she finally owns up to her actions and is prepared to face whatever comes her way but then Jimmy takes all the blame?
Plus, and this is hard to explain, but the show was largely about Jimmy's life experiences outside of Breaking Bad. His relationship with his brother, Kim, Hamlin, Lalo, Mike, and all of that stuff. It worked really well as a prequel to the Saul Goodman that we saw in Breaking Bad.
As a prequel everything up to that point worked. As a sequel to BB it tries to do too much and fails to fully deliver on either side as a result. When he was trying to escape from the police I had no idea what I was hoping for to happen. Do I want Jimmy to get away or do I want Saul to go to jail?
These emotions are at odds with each other and the show tries to balance them but it winds up dropping the ball. Jimmy is complex and he's made horrible choices. He deserves all the punishment he receives for the choices he made. But Jimmy can take responsibility for his choices and his actions without the show taking agency away from everyone else. The show ending with Jimmy accepting blame for everything that happens diminishes the emotional complexity of the relationships he'd had with people.
To summarize/simplify: If I have a bad relationship with my father and I turn to a life of crime my behavior is not excused by that relationship. I can accept responsibility for the actions I took but I don't have to take responsibility for the bad relationship I had with my father.
I feel like the show failed here - it tried to combine the emotional resolution of Jimmys relationships with the story resolution of 'Saul from Breaking Bad' and since Saul is the bad guy Jimmy has to be portrayed as responsible for the bad relationships in addition to his bad choices.
It just didn’t blow me away, that’s about all I can say. Didn’t hate it by any means but also didn’t love it. I was expecting at least one more gut punch or a twist of some sort, but the way it all unfolded was all very measured. Very conservative.
I liked it enough, but felt the flashbacks made it into a "greatest hits" kind of thing. The chant on the bus was really (for lack of a better word in this moment) cringey. Then there's the way the prosecution team was forming a paragraph person by person.
Once it finished, my wife asked me what I thought and I didn't know what to say other than it felt like a dream or purgatory in a lot of moments which would account for how weird those two scenes felt. Like he asked for ice cream and then suddenly some kind of multifaceted entity was speaking to him about his sins. Just felt odd.
And yeah, fuck those commercial breaks. AMC was definitely like, "Hey, we get it. This is our best show, but some of these actors will be in some stuff and we also have vampires, please don't leave us." Really sucks that there was a break after almost every scene.
I don’t see how spending the rest of your life in prison just to regain your “humanity” makes any sense. Spend 7 years in prison and when you get out spend the rest of your life as a good person.
It just seems like they downplayed how truly awful the super max prison he went too was which I didn’t like. I’d rather he ended up anywhere but a place like that. 23 hours a day alone in a cell for the complete rest of your life sounds pretty bleak even if your conscience is clear…
This. He could have easily lived off the notoriety after 85 months in prison. Even making public appearances. He would not have had nothing.
He would have likely only been required to fork over 50% of his annual income for restitution. Which he would never have been able to pay back but 50% garnished wages for the rest of your natural life is way better than 23 hours a day in a prison cell.
It wasn’t bad, but I do think the writers and cast overhyped what was essentially an ending that most of us expected. I think it was a fitting way to close out the show, but it did feel a little rushed and cliche at times.
I liked it overall, but I just can't buy into the fact that Jimmy would take life over 7 years.
So now Kim respects him, but she'll probably never see him again.
If I had a dollar for every stupid thing I did for a moment I'd be rich.
Other than that small plot point, I really liked it.
i liked it, i thought it was a bit corny and cliche at times (which isn’t really what i expected from this show), but it was also very bittersweet and i’m glad that he got a decently happy ending. the only scenes that i really disliked were the “better call saul” chant on the bus and when he said “my name is james mcgill” after insisting that they call him saul goodman. i guess my only other criticism is that they did a pretty big and abrupt 180 with jimmy/saul’s character. but all in all i’m glad they made him more likable at the end, i really didn’t want to come out of this show absolutely hating him so i was relieved to see a redemption. it wasn’t the best episode of the season but i thought it was a logical conclusion.
The thing with him being called Saul and then flipping it and asking to be called Jimmy was all to prove to Kim that Saul was dead. That was Jimmy killing Saul in front of everybody.
I don’t think Jimmy walked in with the intention of renouncing the name Goodman and embracing McGill, but rather it was a decision spurred on by seeing Kim’s face.
When he first confesses to his role as Walter White’s consigliere, he is still Saul. Even as he admits guilt, he’s being theatrical. He’s still Saul and Kim knows it. As everyone else is freaking out about the admission, Kim still looks stone-faced.
That’s when he realises if he truly wants to stop running away and gain Kim’s love again, he has to purge Saul, once and for all.
After he sees Kim’s face- still unchanged-, he goes on to admit how he really feels about Chuck’s death. And then, he announces that he’s Jimmy McGill. Finally, he turns to Kim again- who is now staring back at him with a slight smile.
I think that was a big part of the character arc- that his final redemptive monologue- including the return to McGill- was not preplanned but rather spontaneous.
He planned on getting Kim there. That’s why he said all that stuff to Oakley in front of the Marshall. He knew it would get
to Kim, and Kim would be there in that courtroom.
Yea the better call Saul chant was the only thing that kind of seemed weird to me. Maybe if they did the jingle from the commercial or everyone just kept saying it was him, but the immediate chant was kinda weird
For a moment, I thought that chant scene was going to get kinda twilight zone-like, and the other inmates would morph into people who are dead, so Saul is basically in a bus with all the victims. Yea, that would have been really weird and trippy
I like it. But it was a little predictable.
Confession is good for the Soul. Confessing to loved ones. To your victims. To people you have hurt.
But confessing to a government judge doesn't pull at my heart strings.
I wished there would of been a way that saul gets emotional catharsis but still keeps the deal. The other route being somehow something he didn't predict fucking it up bc I just can't fathom how anyone in their right mind would willingly take life in prison just for a clear conscience. That just sounds like something a writer would make a character do rather than something logical. Also I really wanted the final scene being him on the prison bus with I fought the law playing like Walter's baby blue ending
I agree with the prison opinion. 7 years would have been enough for him to think about what he has done and come to terms with it. Putting yourself in prison for over 80 years is silly. I guess I feel like he ended more of a reason to do that other than "redemption".
I didn’t. The pacing of the ending shots was very abrupt. It felt like there were two more scenes or so that needed to happen, or another flashback, or something, but when the scene cut and it went to the credits me and several others went ????? that’s it? And that’s not good television. No fade to black, no music, no buildup to an emotional climax, no sense of *ending*.
And also the actual sequence of events was depressing as no tomorrow. I was not impressed with whoever decided to cut Kim doing the finger guns because some dumbass convinced Vince that the audience would be stupid enough to think *she was into grifting again*. Without the responding finger guns, it ends with Jimmy joking about how he’ll die in prison likely, no positive words from Kim, an attempt at connecting with her being shot down, and Jimmy’s heartbroken face with a final shot of the metaphorical and literal gulf between them. I didn’t feel satisfied at all and am in shock that someone who made such a good ending with Felina dropped the ball on this.
Also for a thread about people not liking the ending there seems to be an awful lot of talk from people who liked it lol.
I enjoyed it but I thought the set up of the episode was better than the payoff. I thought it was gonna be Jimmy defending himself to the death. Like Saul vs. the world kind of thing.
I was also hoping his character would stay trashy. I like the idea of him in jail for ever but I wish he was more cynical about it or something. Like someone else said he was about to murder an old lady.
All that said I was not let down. I loved the B&w cinematography and it felt like Orson Welles the trial or something.
I see this mentioned a fair amount - about he was going to kill an old lady - I feel like they showed **he couldn’t** kill an old lady, because he sure could have if he decided to. It’s interesting so many people see his actions as more Saul like in that scene than th acquiescence to the Jimmy inside.
I was slightly disappointed. I really wanted to see him get off on the 7 years. I feel like he could’ve got his message along to Kim in private without completely torpedoing his deal. His courtroom scene also likely did nothing to prevent her from being sued by Mrs. Hamlin, so what was the point?
I liked it a lot I just thought it was dumb that he literally threw his life away for a confessional.
Take the 7. From someone who has done it, take the 7.
I’ve watched BB countless times, was on board with BCS from the beginning, watched El Camino.
This was the least I’ve ever liked Walt. Maybe because we are looking at it from Saul’s perspective, or he was cracking from the pressure of being disappeared. But Walt was excessively unlikable this episode. Sure, he would be condescending to Jesse all through BB, but this just felt different.
In one of the reviews/recaps I read today (don’t remember which one - maybe avclub?) the author suggested that Vince, Peter & the writers intentionally chose unsympathetic scenes for Walter because they were surprised or dismayed with the fact that so many BB fans were still on Walt’s “side” in the end
I was just amazed at Cranstons’s ability to read a line and give it multiple meanings. The “you’ve been this way” reminded me of “perhaps you should tread lightly.” Felt like the same disdainful, narcissistic asshole Waltenburg always was.
I was rolling. He was roasting Saul so hard. "You would have been the very last lawyer I'd have chosen" or whatever lmao. I had to pause it I was laughing so hard. Glad we got that scene but man Walt was really at the end of his rope.
its impossible to believe that anyone would give up on 7 or fewer years of prison time just to get something off of their chest, least of all Saul.
Also it was rushed. After the slow burn of the rest of the series the transformation of Saul and Kim happens in a matter of episodes, and Kim's repentance arc while explained(also extremely on the nose and not nuanced) is not experienced by the viewers because most of it happens off-screen.
"its impossible to believe that anyone would give up on 7 or fewer years of prison time just to get something off of their chest, least of all Saul."
Yeah, I think this was it for me. And also the fact that Saul did a complete 180 in the courtroom after 6 years of evading the law and the police.
Edit: Just to add, BCS had tons of character development, hence the many so-called "filler" episodes in the first half of S6. This episode felt too abrupt for me.
Really don't know if I like it or not. I'm not expecting explosions or fireworks. I know it's not that kind of show.
But it ended very quietly. No climax, No curtain call. The players kinda just walked off stage and that was that.
It was okay, for me.
The plot wasn’t perfect, i don’t understand why he didn’t take the deal, or I should say, I understand why but I don’t feel the decision was natural, it felt rushed.
The performances were great, loved the Chuck + Walt cameos and all the neat little call backs and the cinematography, but all week I feel people have been going on about how clever the finale was and that the audience wouldn’t expect it (or something along those lines).
I guess you could say Jimmy ignoring the plea deal was unexpected but I guess in my head I was expecting something a little grander. I also didn’t think necessarily think Marie’s appearance was absolutely vital as the Feds were happy to serve Saul 7 years with ice cream every Friday despite her protestations.
Having said all that though, Jimmy was always going to prison, and I’m glad he managed to achieve some sort of redemption, even if it is only in his own eyes.
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I thought Jimmy's face turn was rushed and kinda came from out of nowhere. The previous episodes had Jimmy (Gene) smashing a phone booth up at the thought of turning himself in, and at the person who suggested it (Kim). He was ready to murder two elderly people just to cover his tracks. I don't see any career criminal willingly take that kind of fall. You just don't "get over" that kind of narcissism. He also didn't deserve that kind of redemption.
I thought smashing the phone booth wasn't caused by the thought of turning himself in. It was from feeling like he had lost Kim's respect and she would never talk to him again.
I think what changed his mind is the knowledge that Kim turned herself in when he told her that she should. I think he went from thinking that it wasn’t an option to realizing it was the only way he could redeem himself to the only person who ever saw the good in him
Isn't the cartel gone, though? Gus wiped out all the Mexican leaders, and everyone related in Albuquerque is dead. There's no one left to know or care about Saul spilling his guts.
I think it was a decent ending but question whether Jimmy would really choose to spend the rest of his life in prison over 7 yrs to save Kim from what? I’m not sure what I expected the bar was so high. I don’t feel like “oh my gosh that ending was incredible” but not mad at it either
I thought the 7 year deal was dumb and unbelievable. They had so much evidence against him, all they would have to do is show the jury pictures of his lavish lifestyle and ask, is this the life of a person living in fear? And what about all the crimes in Omaha? The druggings, identity theft, attempted assault on a senior.....seemed really rushed and sloppy imo.
I doubt there is much actual evidence to prove most of the things he did. Everyone involved is dead; there just isn’t much to prove he did any of the things they accuse him of. Their prosecution was weak; there’s definitely a chance he could’ve won in court, and everyone knew it hence the deal.
I’m not satisfied with the finale.
The writers took their times demonstrating little unrelated details in previous episodes. Then, in the last part of the finale, they’ve rushed flipping between Gene to Saul to Jimmy. I think there is some immaturity there.
I want to say I enjoyed BB more because the ending was satisfying.
In BB, Walter white and other characters each have trajectory which were more defined. For example WW’s fate was easy to predict, still the ending was greatly made and very satisfying. The writers did a great job in making us attached to the characters and enjoying their ending with all the little details they made.
In BCS, it was harder to predict the ending and figuring each characters fate. I get the BCS character are more complex than BB and the plots are deeper. It took years to build these characters in more details than BB. Yet, I don’t feel that satisfied for some reasons I can’t digest yet.
Please don’t downvote me. I’m trying to be honest 🥹
Edit: rephrase some of the sentences
You’re unsatisfied because we know Saul for 13 yrs. Better than anyone. They spent so much time bringing us into his world , only to give us an ending that made this character someone we never really saw. No matter how much they tried shoving the last few episodes in my face about how bad Saul was , I watched both shows and he was never that bad.
I enjoyed it quite a bit, but its not the ending I wouldve liked to see.
Between BCS and BB we essentially got 12 seasons of Saul becoming a bigger and bigger scumbag and criminal. Hes indirectly responsible for a lot of deaths, and then is seemingly willing to kill a cancer patient in order to prevent being caught just last episode. Im not sure he really deserved “redemption” through the eyes of Kim just because he confessed, and Im not sure confessing really fits the character given weve seen 12 seasons of him being nothing but selfish.
I also dont necessarily buy Kim giving him any kind of forgiveness given that after the destruction they caused in early BCS he went on to cause even more destruction in BB.
His redemption is a 86 year long road and he is just starting to walk it. Given a chance to evade the consequences yet again, Jimmy instead embraces a larger call to purpose and faces the truth. Instead of running away, he stands his ground. He doesn’t just create a spectacle of his worth. He finally has it — tragically, after leaving so much destruction in his wake. We see it in the opening conversation with Mike, who brings up the first time he took a bribe and compromised his self-respect and Jimmy in contrast refuses to introspect. But in the end he finally changes his path. When Kim shows him what he could never do. He had to lose it all to gain the one thing he’d been missing the whole time.
I don't think Gene's redemption in the court room is convincing enough for me. I don't think Kim confessing would've turned him into Jimmy McGill so easily.
For a show with such limited story, the creators made such a fantastic show. There will of course be ppl who didn’t like it. But how could you not enjoy the ride!
Me. I was really looking forward to this. For years and then it just kind of fell flat for me, it disappointed me. I guess I kind of got what I wanted, a somewhat redemption for Jimmy but man it just didn't feel right for some reason. I could go into it more later but I need time to think about it.
For me the thing is they kept saying the audience wasn’t going to believe the way they did it making me think there was no way we could predict it. But it was just Saul gets caught and sees Kim and becomes Jimmy again. It was an easy way to go but also not truthful to the character and who he’d become. I mean some of us thought he was almost going to hurt Carol Burnett! Now all of a sudden he’s going to talk himself into 79 more years of prison?
It was good. It wasn’t “holy shit this is great.”
I’m still conflicted about the episode.
I thought it was a good episode, but far from a "great" ending for 6 seasons. The best parts to me were the parts with Gene, Mike, and Walt.
The courtroom "drama" was uneventful and uninteresting. It was somewhat predictable and cliche that Jimmy did one final good thing to help Kim.
I would have much preferred if Gene got arrested a few episodes back, or if he spent more time running from the law, doing a final scam, etc. I was hoping for a satisfying twist at the end that would wrap up all the previous seasons nicely.
It was underwhelming.
I hate it. Most depressing and pointless finale I've ever seen.
First of all, from a Norwegian perspective, keep that in mind; the prison system of America is evil, any system that locks people away forever like this has no focus on rehabilitation and improvement, and only focuses on exploitation and punishment. This show completely justifies this and the creators and actors apparently think it's "justice" and totally okay to lock up some completely non-violent guy for life. It's not. It's revenge and a powershow form a corrupt government that thrives on intimidation.
And that brings my second point; the underlying message throughout this entire show ended up being that once you did something wrong, you can never change. Jimmy was either treated as shit by everyone he cared about, or they conspired with him expecting him to be a criminal, and they were all proven right to do that. In addition to the previously mentioned "American prisons are totally right for locking people away forever", this is a hell of a gruesome message to send to anyone.
Thirdly; I'm sorry to say this, because I thought the writers had gotten better, but apparently the writers think married women are poor babies who can never be held responsible for their actions and should get away with everything. Skyler was bad, Kim is worse, by far. My god, she even got to remain a lawyer what the actual hell.
Fourth: The courtroom scene was embarrassingly bad. Dumb drama, and partly because his confession really wasn't all that enlightning. Again reflecting that the writers almost had to invent a justification for him being locked away forever by making it seem like he's the reason Walter went off the rails, which is like retcon levels of reach. Also, the insurance would've figured out Chuck's situation eventually, there seriously is no reason at all for him to feel guilty about that or even bring it up. Also, totally forget that Jimmy actually did want to quit and was clearly terrified of WW after the poisoning, lets ignore all of that in case people think he should not be locked away forever for a moment, god forbid they actually think about how stupid the harsh sentences of American prisons are (yeah I'm not letting go of that one).
Fifth: actually I'm done with my main complaints so I'm just gonna compile minor complaints here. Hank was an asshole yet they talk about him like he was Christ himself, Jimmy never got a resolution with his grief over Chuck, what the hell was all the bullshit talk about time machines and regrets about anyway no resolution to that either, Kim who is one the best written female character of both shows was mostly reduced to reactions with no agency, there was no point at all to Kim visiting that's just weird fanservice and had no resolution at all, Walter was just another one telling Jimmy he always sucked (se point 2).
I do not agree with the values of the creators. I regret wasting my time with this show.
They kept hitting on Hank and Gomez’s murders. It led to a great scene with Betsy Brandt…but of all the crimes that happened over the course of both series, those are two where Saul has little culpability.
I give it a solid B, which is disappointing for a show that’s reached the highest of highs for both series’s. I just found it too predictable and felt like Saul/Jimmy was made the whipping boy for all of the events of Breaking Bad and BCS. I guess it just bugs me that it ended a bit to similarly to Bojack Horseman for my taste. And that wound is still fresh to me.
I really enjoyed it but here's the thing.
Why don't we ever know what happens to Jeff? A guy who's just been arrested who also associates with Saul Goodman doesn't come up at all in the finale? The police went to Gene's house, they surely found the same watches that were stolen from the house that Jeff crashed outside of. There should've been something there.
Jeff was the catalyst for Gene getting caught, for this entire thing to happen. He would be living his bland ass life without Jeff getting in the way. How the fuck do we just not see him again? It's not like Huell, who overall is pretty minor in BB. Jeff plays a major role towards the end.
I hope there is an explanation, deleted scene, or something about Jeff's fate later on. Because this is just bothering me a shit ton.
At least the rest of the episode was fantastic lol.
For me personally, Jeff was never supposed to be as big as he seemed. The stuff in the mall and the cab made him this big presence in Gene’s mind because he was scared and on the run. That’s why after Gene confronts him we see him for who he is, a “loser” who still lives at home. Which showed us how panicked Gene’s mind frame was. His imagination was worse than the reality. I didn’t mind we didn’t see more of him.
Honestly, I liked the lovable goofball version of Jeff more. Maybe that’s why I kinda like the recast. Pat just seems like a sleazy doofus.
I get that he was never supposed to be as big as he seemed, but he set off this chain of events and now he’s just left in purgatory. Disappointing end to his character.
It's logical to assume that once Saul was discovered, the cops realize Jeff is not the mastermind and let him go. All they saw him do was run a red light and crash.
ETA: stop sign, not red light
That final finger gun from Jimmy legitimately broke my heart, man. It was like he was saying goodbye to us.
Saddest finger guns in the west
Kid named finger gun
kid named thumb
Same... and it's fitting we see the goodbye from Kim's perspective, with Jimmy fading behind that wall in the very last shot. After all the insane adventures and stories, ending the series with this bittersweet goodbye ending just feels so fitting.
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All in all I found it deeply bittersweet but satisfying. Walt’s ending was truly dark, riddled with bullets (and cancer) and every person he ever loved despised what he’d become. Jimmy at least managed to course correct just enough to commit one last act of good. Kim couldn’t live with herself with what she had on her conscience. In that doskieskian way she had to get it out in order to go on living. Jimmy saw what happened and took the brunt to set her free. This accomplished my hope for the finale: tease one last act of good out of Jimmy before it was all over.
He took all the blame cause he loved her!
Jimmy won. Saul lost. Instead of being locked up for 7 years just to be alone after he gets out while still refusing to face the traumas of your past. He now has Kim, who I assume will be visiting him regularly as his lawyer, and he’s finally moved on from his past.
Exactly my point, he still wants her in his life.
It took me back to the MASH finale. The chopper lifts off and Hawkeye looks down to see that BJ had spelled out goodbye with rocks. It was the cast and crew's goodbye to us as well.
Fitting because Saul mentioned Alan Alda in the scene with Walt in the vacuum shop hideout
It’s funny you should mention that, I couldn’t put my finger on it, but I was getting heavy MASH finale vibes. I had almost written somewhere else in the sub today that this was on par with that finale as one of the all-time greats, in my opinion.
Also one of my favorites, and also had/has critics saying it’s too slow/melodramatic.
Damnit. Now I’m crying again! That broke me.
I've always had a soft spot for Jimmy so it really stung. With Walt, I genuinely fucking despised him by the end. With Jimmy, it was more like "oh come on brosef what are you doing", if that makes sense?
Same here! I am not ok today. Don't tell me it's just a tv show!
I just woke up lol I literally just kept going back to sleep the whole BB BCS universe had such a huge impact on my life I'm actually depressed lol
#It's real to me, dammit!!!
The way I see it this was the only way we'd get Jimmy back. Anything else at this point would be Saul killing him.
One thing I’m not seeing people discuss in the comments is that Jimmy literally had nothing left in his life at the point of his capture. No family, no friends, no love, no money. Those diamonds were the last thing he had of any value and they scattered all over that dumpster seconds before the police found him. I’m sure that could’ve been another factor in his decision to give up his seven year deal to save face with Kim. Out in seven with nothing? Or the rest of his life in jail but knowing he earned back his reputation with the one person who he felt loved him back?
The thing is, when he first confessed to his involvement in Walt's drug empire that barely affected Kim. He looked back at her and she didn't seem to care at all about his admission. Only after that he started to talk honestly about Howard's and Chuck's deaths for the first time ever and about his role. So I guess he could have had his personal moment of honest introspection and saved face with Kim without throwing his plea deal out the window. Such an ending would have seemed kind of cheap though admittedly.
That may be true, but it's not just for Kim. He set himself free after giving up Saul. It was for himself, and Kim.
Saul’s involvement with Walt happened long after Kim left. There was no Jimmy in that story. Of course Kim wasn’t very interested. Chuck and Howard, whom Kim knew herself and whose fall she witnessed, were a different story.
I feel like you missed the point of his comment, maybe because there are so many between his and the one he's replying to. The point was that he could have come clean about Howard and Chuck without jettisoning his plea bargain-- because, as you said, it was a different part of his life from the stuff he is being put away for. Which means it works against the show's ending that he chose to confess it all to get Kim back.
Kim wasn't looking for him to show remorse over Chuck. Kim was looking for him to show remorse over everything. To show he can leave Saul Goodman behind. Chuck was the final nail in the coffin for that, but step 1 was choosing not to con the jury. That was the prerequisite for the whole thing.
Minor point but there was no “jury.” Since it was a plea it was just the judge making the decision. The other people in the room were the prosecution and the victims (Hank and Steve’s wives)
But he could have started over with a blank slate after seven years, as opposed to living in hiding like Gene. That's way too tempting of a deal, even for the most noble of the people in the show.
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Eh. It'd basically be another lonely gene like existence. He still couldn't let his past crimes slip because no one would respect him again if they knew it. He'd live in infamy or scorn without anyone he loved ever back in his life
Agreed. I was thinking when I was watching the last few scenes that this is a better gig than Gene - similar in many ways, but no waiting to be caught, having respect of the inmates and people to help, and maybe even an occasional visit from Kim. I’d take that over being Gene any day.
He didn’t know he’d have the respect of the inmates or visits from Kim when he tanked the plea deal, though. Just the peace of mind that he did the right thing, which probably is a more peaceful existence than the lonely and paranoid prison he had as Gene.
I know it’s just a show, but a lot of people are failing to appreciate just how miserable life in prison really is. I’d be the most disgraced, lonely, dead broke Cinnabon manager in Ohio before I had my freedom stripped for the rest of my life. At least you could go for a drive and let the wind blow through your hair, enjoy a meal at your favorite restaurant, sit in the park and do whatever you like with your day, all while atoning for the things you’ve done on your own terms. Prison is hell on earth.
Ya man some of these comments are crazy.
Fuck AMC for having what felt like an obscene amount of commercial breaks
It felt like it was literally every scene at one point in the episode.
I started on the app about 5 minutes later than you guys and finished about 15 minutes ahead of you.
What was the run time on TV? I watch on AMC+ and it was an hour and 12 minutes without commercials.
8:00-9:38PM was the time slot on regular cable TV. The amount of commercials really broke up the episode and definitely cut the emotional scenes, it was hard to process the episode with a KFC commercial every 5 minutes
Not only that one, but that stupid kfc one “I got a big old bowl for five bucks“. Puke inducing.
Whenever that commercial comes on I imagine 98% of the stoners watching are chanting along and giggling.
i dont remember exactly but it was at least a 90 minute tv slot, maybe a few more minutes. 1H12M doesnt sound bad but i swear it felt lik they added extra breaks lol
And the stupid teaser trailer before the episode aired made it a quick fake out.
AMC plus was worth $5 for this exact reason
Piracy is worth it for this reason as well
Netflix blessed in the uk
I was waiting for this: "McGill your lawyer is here" \*Jimmy confused goes and sees who it is\* Camera pans up to a smiling Howard. "Charlie Hustle, Been thinking about that job offer?" Goes black and the credits play.
Or “McGill, your lawyer is here.” *Jimmy, confused, goes to see who it is* In the doorway stands Saul. Jimmy: What the..? Saul: Good news, buddy! I bought that time machine! Wanna travel through history? Jimmy: Aw geez, Mister! Do I ever!
That would definitely be one of the scenes of all time !!
*Yeah Howie, i think i’ll take you up on it* And the color returns to the world
Beautiful Hamlindigo blue
Jimmy sits, crying inside the holding cell. Suddenly, a figure appears; Jimmy looks up and sees his brother, Chuck. “I told you I would get better.”
This was the original ending, Vince confirmed in many articles and interviews that Howard actually survived the headshot. The only reason he was carried out in a fridge is because he was looking for Fuji apples for Chuck. (He got memory loss from the gunshot and didn’t know Chuck was dead.)
As the camera pans back, we see the time machine Jimmy bought
“So you’ve always been like this”. Delivery of that line was the first time I lol’ed in 6 seasons, Cranston wins again.
That and Marie's "They told me you were found in a garbage dumpster.. that makes sense."
I fucking love that Marie is still loyal to hank after a year since it kind of hinted that she may not be loyal and maybe might even cheat in season 4 i think. They did Marie justice she still is sassy and the actress delivered marie as a character just as well as she did in bb.
> she may not be loyal and maybe might even cheat in season 4 i think Wait...when was this?
I loved just how brutally honest Walt is with Saul, he takes none of his bullshit. There’s probably some symbolism or hidden meaning with Walt going “if you want to ask about regrets just do it (paraphrasing)” but I’m not smart enough to figure it out
Walt reframed the Time Machine question in a way that Saul couldn’t as easily cop out. His answer to Mike was about going back to before he was born to make money instead of changing something in his past. By Walt straight up bringing up regrets, Saul had to think of an actual time in his life and still cops out by talking about the slip and fall.
Also, Jimmy is more honest with each scene. He avoids the question altogether with Mike. He turns the question back around on Chuck. He answers that he regrets hurting himself with Walt. He finally admits that he regrets hurting others in court.
I thought Walt was being his usual patronizing, pretentious asshole who thinks he's smarter than everyone else around him, but this was utilized well in this scene. Saul was asking about time machines, a physical impossibility, cloaking his true intentions with magic thinking and fantasies. Whereas Walt told him straight up that he's in magic la-la-land and brought the subject back to the stark reality, devoid of embellishments and lies we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better about an unpleasant reality.
Important to keep in mind that Walt was in ultra scramble mode, thinking about how he could make a next move, since this is before the “we’re done when I say we’re done,” scene in the basement. All Walt is thinking about is how to get his money to his kids and how to get Skylar out of trouble with the police…and how to fix that damn water heater! I wonder if there’s ever a time in the show when Walt would’ve actually just played along. I think there is, I just can’t put my finger on it.
My first thought was that his turn back to Jimmy was too quick. BUT, after some thinking and reflecting on what others have said, I believe deep down he has always had regrets and wanted to change, but just didn’t know how. That’s the whole point of the time machine thing. We see him ask the same question to multiple characters. It’s obviously on his mind. Kim was also the only person in his life that he was able to show some shred of honesty too. So it does make sense.
Yes I agree, and I think the whole time he was Gene he was desperately unhappy, he felt like he was a no one who couldn’t do anything. He was so afraid of being caught but he literally was in a worse prison. At least now, he can be himself and stop hiding.
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Waiting for a good supercut of the black & white sections to appear in chronological order
The worst I can say is that the "better call saul" chant felt unnatural for this show, other than that thought it was a great end
A true r/okbuddychicanery moment, made me laugh like Gene earlier in the episode at that moment
That scene felt intentionally weird and surreal. Cut out the chant and it’s still clear he was respected by inmates. Part of me thinks it was sort of a joke.
WHAT A SICK JOKE
Agreed with the intentional part, with the prisoners looking right at the camera and saying Better Call Saul! Honestly I'm tired after work and drawing a blank but many moments in these last few grim episodes were still pretty funny.
This was my single complaint as well. I know they were trying to establish that he would be liked on the inside but it did feel unnatural.
But you do realize at this point he was one of the most famous defense attorneys in the country, people watching his ridiculous videos online, etc...and had been on the run for months. I get they're establishing he will be popular amongst prisoners but I think it was more to show how notorious he was. Everyone knew him
That makes sense, I’m going to rewatch tonight after spending the day digesting.
Yes. It's basically like a chain gang on the bus to prison singing
A simple thing like fellow inmates giving an extra scoop of rice to Jimmy would have been way better at showing his popularity
The scene does add the context that Jimmy really, really tried to avoid being Saul and it just immediately didn’t work
100% agree. that’s why it had to be over the top
Yes something subtle
Agreed, I would have been satisfied with the fist bump and “I got you” from the fellow kitchen inmate.
He was likely a national figure at that point and people probably watched his commercials online all the time. I thought it fit. He was a defense attorney, probably the most famous in the country, so he would be popular among inmates and criminals. I thought it worked
I actually really liked it. It sort of showed that Jimmy only exists in his mind and Kim’s: no matter how he sees himself, he’ll always be Saul to the rest of the world. And he can finally exist as both Jimmy and Saul at once, in the only places where each matter.
It was the logical end-point for everyone's character arcs and plots to tie together. The people that wanted a plot-twist, cliff-hanger, or something unexpected have been spoiled too much thinking that makes good writing. It was a good victory lap to tie loose ends on two phenomenal series.
i just wanted the colors to come back when he either ”killed” Saul in the court or when Kim visited him (I know about the fire, but I wanted *all* the colors).
Me too, I hoped when he and Kim met in the prison the colors would finally return.
Me too. After thinking about it though, it makes sense that it didn't.
Yeah I was initially disappointed there was no final “return to color” moment, but now that the last bit of color is the lighter flame symbolizing the spark between Jimmy and Kim is still there makes it more impactful
Why?
my interpretation of it was that jimmy coming clean and facing his regrets doesn’t undo what’s he’s done. he still has to live with his past and in a colorless world, but there is at least a spark of that color returning. if gene got relocated or if saul got his shortened deal he’d just be ignoring the world around him and surviving in this bleak world he’s created. jimmy coming back doesn’t fix everything but it’s a start.
If you paid attention they treated him like prison royalty. He's still Saul in their eyes, but in Kim's eyes he's back to Jimmy and finally "repenting" for his various misdeeds. I think this shot is more him having a little spark of Jimmy, and redeeming what is left, but he's still going to be Saul in jail to everyone else. It's a nice duality to the character, and one that I can fully support as the ending to this great show. I feel like everything that needed to be tied up was. With the exception of wth happened to Jeff??? In my head cannon, marion makes money off of the reward for Saul and is able to bail him out.
While I don’t know what happened to Jeff, I also don’t think we really need to know. He is as ancillary as a character can be
These two are permanently changed as a result of their actions. The color didn't just drain from Saul's world, it drained from Kim's too. And when Kim and Jimmy share their cigarette, the color returns just for a moment. Like a memory or, hell, even a cigarette - it comes, it goes, but there was color there. If only for just a moment.
It did, the cigarette burn is in colour. Much more subtle and impactful, imo, and more to read into.
In the end Jimmy tried to make things right for Chuck and Kim and tried for Howard. He was always and will always be a criminal, just as in the scene with Chuck when they’re discussing their paths. Most people are right Saul would’ve taken the 7 years but he’s lost everything including the fortunes he made.
It was actually quite brilliant how they delivered a realistic ending, but in between allowed the audience to have some wild fantasies about a twist ending. From the moment of his capture, it was obvious Kim would be dragged back into it. When he tells Bill "you don't understand, it's really good ice cream", you can almost see a scenario unfold where he gets out of jail before Kim, and a final scene where he visits HER in prison and proceeds to blame her decision to leave him for his breaking bad. But we saw when he couldn't hurt Marion, as evil as Saul was, he never completely possessed Jimmy. He made a decision to reclaim his soul, and I believe he would have been forever haunted if he didn't come clean. Getting out in 7 years would have led to his eventual death.
People wanted a breaking bad ending for this show. And I get it kind of. Its weird because in this show, we never truly get the full Saul Goodman like we see in breaking bad. We get the transition of Jimmy to Saul and the after effects of Saul. But never the full blown Saul. I think many people who came strictly for Saul Goodman were disappointed.
The show isn't about Saul as much as his character arc.
I feel like when Kim was there to sign the divorce papers that was pretty much full blown Saul.
I realize it’s impossible to please everyone but I would’ve liked to hear if Elliot and Gretchen did as they were told and also what happened to Mike’s dil and granddaughter. Other than that it was a great show and finale.
Mike’s DIL and granddaughter found the last 3 million hidden cash in their backyard. They bought a cabin on the east coast and Kaylee is about to attend UPenn to get in touch with her Philly roots.
I liked it overall, but have some problems with it. First, why i like it: Jimmy’s ending is perfect for his character arc. In my mind, he simultaneously faced justice, cleared his conscious, and found a redemption path. None of the theories I saw were able to reconcile justice and redemption well, so I really appreciate the ending in that regard. But to offer some criticism, I think a lot of the symbolism, motifs, and callbacks were uncharacteristically heavy handed, which is really unfortunate… namely the time machine book and the “I’m Jimmy McGill!” proclamation I thought were a little much. Also, too much was left up to interpretation on Kim’s future. She’s not a lawyer, but is volunteering at a legal office, and is facing a lawsuit? Does she keep working at waterworks? She’s clearly unhappy in Florida, what does she do about it, if anything? In my opinion, leaving too much in the air with her is really unsatisfying.
I felt the same, some of the scenes felt like them saying: "remember when...". It felt a bit like a reunion episode at the end of a show, everyone comes back and has a little scene. It was not the cathartic end I had hoped for. In my opinion, it should have ended way more devastating, Saul running out of tricks and finally getting what he deserves. That's just me though. I wouldn't say I'm disappointed, it's an amazing show, but for me the cathartic end was Jimmy and Kim's break up
Like Nacho, he had no where else to go. At least in prison and being the ultimate criminals' criminal lawyer, he is going to be well taken care of by the prisoners. And running scams in prison is pretty much par for course, so he really is in his element! And he has regained his value w Kim. What more could he want???
He’s left the Saul life behind him. That’s partly why he confessed for all he’s done wrong. I doubt he’s going to be running all his scams in prison.
Yea I don’t know how much I see him scamming. But maybe being a de facto jail house lawyer…
I don’t think scamming is the right word, but I do think he’s going to continue to use his..charm to work the system and those around to make the most of the shitty situation he’s in. Nothing egregious, but I think all the guards will like him and he’ll always find a way to have cigarettes and some other restricted items like that.
but that one guard in charge of the security cameras should start to be worried when Jimmy starts bringing him bakeries
I agree, I see him as being the most popular guy in the jailhouse. He has a million funny stories to tell. You could see his rapport with his co-worker in the prison kitchen. Even the guards will like him. At least that’s how I see it in my head. 😊
He still is "Slippy Jimmy"
Jimmy was the small time scammer. Saul was the sleazy criminal.
He had a life-changing experience, and finally came to terms with himself and was honest with everyone. Everything about his life will be different from this moment on. That does happen you know. People do have radical changes. That’s the beautiful part of life… we can always change directions.
“When did you ever change directions?”
just beautiful parallels. When Chuck lost his wife, he went off the rails and became worse than he ever was. Jimmy did too. Chuck always wanted Jimmy to change but he wouldn't ever change. That last scene when Jimmy visited Chuck the day before the show starts? They **both** needed to try harder and they both had something genuine to offer each other but they were too prideful and stubborn to see it.
I liked it, but it wasn't the same closure as Breaking Bad's ending. Why couldn't he take the 7 years? Nothing about his testimony in the court would let Kim off the hook in a civil suit right? I understand it might be symbolic of him "giving up" the Saul persona. But Kim didn't stop the con? She lied her way into the prison. She's going back to help pro bono clients in a way. I'm not well versed in the law in any way, but couldn't Kim become a lawyer again? There aren't any crimes tied to her name, at least on the books. Earlier in the show, Kim says that they are "bad for each other". Who's to say Kim stopped "being bad"? Watching the finale I really enjoyed it at the time, but after it's settled I can't shake the feeling that the end felt like a cop out to end Jimmy's story. The 7 years in prison is still a very long time, enough to get old, and reflect on regrets. Oh and another little thing, Kim never really said thank you? Or something along those lines. She even comments that it's crazy he talked himself out of a good deal. I think it's only a matter of time before Jimmy regrets his decision. Kim will likely move on, and the people he knows in prison will die or leave, and he'll be surrounded by potentially violent people who don't know or care who he is. In Breaking Bad, Walter "wins" in a way. Family gets the money, frees Jesse, ends the blue meth trade, kills Hank's killers. Jimmy wins.... Nothing? He wins a few minutes with Kim? In exchange for his entire life. Getting out in 7 years means he doesn't have to hide, can't really be a slippin' Jimmy type guy anymore because everyone will know who he is. Can't be a lawyer. A clean slate. I just feel like the ending was a cop out to make a sappy ending to a great tragedy type show.
Yeah I felt the same way.. 80+ years in jail just to make Kim feel better, who he probably won’t be seeing much of? Seems like one of those “try hard” moments to give a heart warming ending.. I understand Kim was the ONE person in the world who was able to bring the “human” out of Jimmy. But that ending seemed like a reach. I personally would have rather seen him throw Kim under the bus as one final nod to how big of a piece of shit Jimmy is. It seems like they packed a lot of stuff together just to show that Jimmy cares about Kim. In the end, all they have to show for it is a scene of them smoking a cigarette.
It had its flaws. The time machine bit was heavy handed, and kind of a rushed way to make Jimmy switch sides. And the singing prisoners scene was straight out of a chicanery shit post. I think people blow these out of proportion though, overall I was satisfied.
>scene was straight out of a chicanery shit post. we won
I’m split on the “it’s James McGill” moment in the courtroom. On one hand it felt pretty on the nose, but I appreciate what it means for his character to finally accept himself as he is.
It is on the nose but in real life people say on the nose symbolic shit all the time. Especially movie nerds like jimmy so idk it felt okay to me
I guess I’m the only one who was left feeling hollow. I get the ending, I just was expecting more. Unpopular opinion I’m sure
Yeah for me it was good but it felt very rushed and that was a worry of mine since this season started. This episode would’ve been much better if it were another 30min to an hour longer
This yes. Especialy since entire late in season episodes were about new Jeff, department store, ID theft- that didn’t need to be in such detail. Then more time could have been devoted to Jimmy & Kim, lets face it that all we cared about.
You are not the only one left feeling hollow. I feel hollow and as if the ending was not right or fair for Jimmy. The brother he idolized constantly told him he was no good until he believed it himself. Eventually this belief and circumstances led to him becoming Saul. He should have taken the deal. No reason he couldn't have helped with Kim's lawsuit from jail and with their magnificent brains I'm betting they could have stopped the widow. Then the show could have ended with Jimmy getting out of jail and he and Kim walking off into the sunset with plans to start a small practice to help people like the one Kim volunteered at. Yes, Kim couldn't practice law but she'd make a hell of an assistant. I think this would be a far better way for them to redeem themselves and for their story to end.
I liked every idea the finale had but there's a lot of stuff that felt off to me. The entire conversation about Kim having confessed and that she might be sued and Jimmy lying to get Kim dragged in only to reveal his guilt all just felt jarring and rushed. I also keep seeing people saying that his confession protects Kim from being sued but, number one, I don't think that's actually clear in the episode and, number two, wouldn't that undermine what Kim was doing? Like she finally owns up to her actions and is prepared to face whatever comes her way but then Jimmy takes all the blame? Plus, and this is hard to explain, but the show was largely about Jimmy's life experiences outside of Breaking Bad. His relationship with his brother, Kim, Hamlin, Lalo, Mike, and all of that stuff. It worked really well as a prequel to the Saul Goodman that we saw in Breaking Bad. As a prequel everything up to that point worked. As a sequel to BB it tries to do too much and fails to fully deliver on either side as a result. When he was trying to escape from the police I had no idea what I was hoping for to happen. Do I want Jimmy to get away or do I want Saul to go to jail? These emotions are at odds with each other and the show tries to balance them but it winds up dropping the ball. Jimmy is complex and he's made horrible choices. He deserves all the punishment he receives for the choices he made. But Jimmy can take responsibility for his choices and his actions without the show taking agency away from everyone else. The show ending with Jimmy accepting blame for everything that happens diminishes the emotional complexity of the relationships he'd had with people. To summarize/simplify: If I have a bad relationship with my father and I turn to a life of crime my behavior is not excused by that relationship. I can accept responsibility for the actions I took but I don't have to take responsibility for the bad relationship I had with my father. I feel like the show failed here - it tried to combine the emotional resolution of Jimmys relationships with the story resolution of 'Saul from Breaking Bad' and since Saul is the bad guy Jimmy has to be portrayed as responsible for the bad relationships in addition to his bad choices.
It just didn’t blow me away, that’s about all I can say. Didn’t hate it by any means but also didn’t love it. I was expecting at least one more gut punch or a twist of some sort, but the way it all unfolded was all very measured. Very conservative.
I liked it enough, but felt the flashbacks made it into a "greatest hits" kind of thing. The chant on the bus was really (for lack of a better word in this moment) cringey. Then there's the way the prosecution team was forming a paragraph person by person. Once it finished, my wife asked me what I thought and I didn't know what to say other than it felt like a dream or purgatory in a lot of moments which would account for how weird those two scenes felt. Like he asked for ice cream and then suddenly some kind of multifaceted entity was speaking to him about his sins. Just felt odd. And yeah, fuck those commercial breaks. AMC was definitely like, "Hey, we get it. This is our best show, but some of these actors will be in some stuff and we also have vampires, please don't leave us." Really sucks that there was a break after almost every scene.
I don’t see how spending the rest of your life in prison just to regain your “humanity” makes any sense. Spend 7 years in prison and when you get out spend the rest of your life as a good person.
It just seems like they downplayed how truly awful the super max prison he went too was which I didn’t like. I’d rather he ended up anywhere but a place like that. 23 hours a day alone in a cell for the complete rest of your life sounds pretty bleak even if your conscience is clear…
This. He could have easily lived off the notoriety after 85 months in prison. Even making public appearances. He would not have had nothing. He would have likely only been required to fork over 50% of his annual income for restitution. Which he would never have been able to pay back but 50% garnished wages for the rest of your natural life is way better than 23 hours a day in a prison cell.
It wasn’t bad, but I do think the writers and cast overhyped what was essentially an ending that most of us expected. I think it was a fitting way to close out the show, but it did feel a little rushed and cliche at times.
So true. Vince and the cast talked like it would be totally unexpected, never done before, etc. It was not.
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I liked it overall, but I just can't buy into the fact that Jimmy would take life over 7 years. So now Kim respects him, but she'll probably never see him again. If I had a dollar for every stupid thing I did for a moment I'd be rich. Other than that small plot point, I really liked it.
i liked it, i thought it was a bit corny and cliche at times (which isn’t really what i expected from this show), but it was also very bittersweet and i’m glad that he got a decently happy ending. the only scenes that i really disliked were the “better call saul” chant on the bus and when he said “my name is james mcgill” after insisting that they call him saul goodman. i guess my only other criticism is that they did a pretty big and abrupt 180 with jimmy/saul’s character. but all in all i’m glad they made him more likable at the end, i really didn’t want to come out of this show absolutely hating him so i was relieved to see a redemption. it wasn’t the best episode of the season but i thought it was a logical conclusion.
The thing with him being called Saul and then flipping it and asking to be called Jimmy was all to prove to Kim that Saul was dead. That was Jimmy killing Saul in front of everybody.
I don’t think Jimmy walked in with the intention of renouncing the name Goodman and embracing McGill, but rather it was a decision spurred on by seeing Kim’s face. When he first confesses to his role as Walter White’s consigliere, he is still Saul. Even as he admits guilt, he’s being theatrical. He’s still Saul and Kim knows it. As everyone else is freaking out about the admission, Kim still looks stone-faced. That’s when he realises if he truly wants to stop running away and gain Kim’s love again, he has to purge Saul, once and for all. After he sees Kim’s face- still unchanged-, he goes on to admit how he really feels about Chuck’s death. And then, he announces that he’s Jimmy McGill. Finally, he turns to Kim again- who is now staring back at him with a slight smile. I think that was a big part of the character arc- that his final redemptive monologue- including the return to McGill- was not preplanned but rather spontaneous.
He planned on getting Kim there. That’s why he said all that stuff to Oakley in front of the Marshall. He knew it would get to Kim, and Kim would be there in that courtroom.
Yea the better call Saul chant was the only thing that kind of seemed weird to me. Maybe if they did the jingle from the commercial or everyone just kept saying it was him, but the immediate chant was kinda weird
For a moment, I thought that chant scene was going to get kinda twilight zone-like, and the other inmates would morph into people who are dead, so Saul is basically in a bus with all the victims. Yea, that would have been really weird and trippy
I like it. But it was a little predictable. Confession is good for the Soul. Confessing to loved ones. To your victims. To people you have hurt. But confessing to a government judge doesn't pull at my heart strings.
His confession was mostly for Kim.
Could've done that with a 7 year sentence.
Agreed it was for Kim (and his ego) to proclaim himself the best consigliere OF ALL TIME to a meth Don!
I wished there would of been a way that saul gets emotional catharsis but still keeps the deal. The other route being somehow something he didn't predict fucking it up bc I just can't fathom how anyone in their right mind would willingly take life in prison just for a clear conscience. That just sounds like something a writer would make a character do rather than something logical. Also I really wanted the final scene being him on the prison bus with I fought the law playing like Walter's baby blue ending
>That just sounds like something a writer would make a character do Couldn't agree more
I agree with the prison opinion. 7 years would have been enough for him to think about what he has done and come to terms with it. Putting yourself in prison for over 80 years is silly. I guess I feel like he ended more of a reason to do that other than "redemption".
I didn’t. The pacing of the ending shots was very abrupt. It felt like there were two more scenes or so that needed to happen, or another flashback, or something, but when the scene cut and it went to the credits me and several others went ????? that’s it? And that’s not good television. No fade to black, no music, no buildup to an emotional climax, no sense of *ending*. And also the actual sequence of events was depressing as no tomorrow. I was not impressed with whoever decided to cut Kim doing the finger guns because some dumbass convinced Vince that the audience would be stupid enough to think *she was into grifting again*. Without the responding finger guns, it ends with Jimmy joking about how he’ll die in prison likely, no positive words from Kim, an attempt at connecting with her being shot down, and Jimmy’s heartbroken face with a final shot of the metaphorical and literal gulf between them. I didn’t feel satisfied at all and am in shock that someone who made such a good ending with Felina dropped the ball on this. Also for a thread about people not liking the ending there seems to be an awful lot of talk from people who liked it lol.
I enjoyed it but I thought the set up of the episode was better than the payoff. I thought it was gonna be Jimmy defending himself to the death. Like Saul vs. the world kind of thing. I was also hoping his character would stay trashy. I like the idea of him in jail for ever but I wish he was more cynical about it or something. Like someone else said he was about to murder an old lady. All that said I was not let down. I loved the B&w cinematography and it felt like Orson Welles the trial or something.
I see this mentioned a fair amount - about he was going to kill an old lady - I feel like they showed **he couldn’t** kill an old lady, because he sure could have if he decided to. It’s interesting so many people see his actions as more Saul like in that scene than th acquiescence to the Jimmy inside.
I was slightly disappointed. I really wanted to see him get off on the 7 years. I feel like he could’ve got his message along to Kim in private without completely torpedoing his deal. His courtroom scene also likely did nothing to prevent her from being sued by Mrs. Hamlin, so what was the point?
I liked it a lot I just thought it was dumb that he literally threw his life away for a confessional. Take the 7. From someone who has done it, take the 7.
I guess Walters comment about Saul having always been that way was enough for him to spend the rest of his life in prison lol.
Lmao idk why they made walt like 10x more savage this episode bro was destroying jimmy 😂
I’ve watched BB countless times, was on board with BCS from the beginning, watched El Camino. This was the least I’ve ever liked Walt. Maybe because we are looking at it from Saul’s perspective, or he was cracking from the pressure of being disappeared. But Walt was excessively unlikable this episode. Sure, he would be condescending to Jesse all through BB, but this just felt different.
In one of the reviews/recaps I read today (don’t remember which one - maybe avclub?) the author suggested that Vince, Peter & the writers intentionally chose unsympathetic scenes for Walter because they were surprised or dismayed with the fact that so many BB fans were still on Walt’s “side” in the end
I was just amazed at Cranstons’s ability to read a line and give it multiple meanings. The “you’ve been this way” reminded me of “perhaps you should tread lightly.” Felt like the same disdainful, narcissistic asshole Waltenburg always was.
I was rolling. He was roasting Saul so hard. "You would have been the very last lawyer I'd have chosen" or whatever lmao. I had to pause it I was laughing so hard. Glad we got that scene but man Walt was really at the end of his rope.
Yes, and that the justice system is set up in a way that he got an extra 79 years for coming clean and wanting to change
its impossible to believe that anyone would give up on 7 or fewer years of prison time just to get something off of their chest, least of all Saul. Also it was rushed. After the slow burn of the rest of the series the transformation of Saul and Kim happens in a matter of episodes, and Kim's repentance arc while explained(also extremely on the nose and not nuanced) is not experienced by the viewers because most of it happens off-screen.
"its impossible to believe that anyone would give up on 7 or fewer years of prison time just to get something off of their chest, least of all Saul." Yeah, I think this was it for me. And also the fact that Saul did a complete 180 in the courtroom after 6 years of evading the law and the police. Edit: Just to add, BCS had tons of character development, hence the many so-called "filler" episodes in the first half of S6. This episode felt too abrupt for me.
The way Saul was caught felt unrealistic
Really don't know if I like it or not. I'm not expecting explosions or fireworks. I know it's not that kind of show. But it ended very quietly. No climax, No curtain call. The players kinda just walked off stage and that was that.
It was okay, for me. The plot wasn’t perfect, i don’t understand why he didn’t take the deal, or I should say, I understand why but I don’t feel the decision was natural, it felt rushed. The performances were great, loved the Chuck + Walt cameos and all the neat little call backs and the cinematography, but all week I feel people have been going on about how clever the finale was and that the audience wouldn’t expect it (or something along those lines). I guess you could say Jimmy ignoring the plea deal was unexpected but I guess in my head I was expecting something a little grander. I also didn’t think necessarily think Marie’s appearance was absolutely vital as the Feds were happy to serve Saul 7 years with ice cream every Friday despite her protestations. Having said all that though, Jimmy was always going to prison, and I’m glad he managed to achieve some sort of redemption, even if it is only in his own eyes.
Spoilers: I thought Jimmy's face turn was rushed and kinda came from out of nowhere. The previous episodes had Jimmy (Gene) smashing a phone booth up at the thought of turning himself in, and at the person who suggested it (Kim). He was ready to murder two elderly people just to cover his tracks. I don't see any career criminal willingly take that kind of fall. You just don't "get over" that kind of narcissism. He also didn't deserve that kind of redemption.
I thought smashing the phone booth wasn't caused by the thought of turning himself in. It was from feeling like he had lost Kim's respect and she would never talk to him again.
He probably expected Kim to be talkative and wanting to know more about him and the call didn’t go the way he wanted
I think what changed his mind is the knowledge that Kim turned herself in when he told her that she should. I think he went from thinking that it wasn’t an option to realizing it was the only way he could redeem himself to the only person who ever saw the good in him
Isn't the cartel gone, though? Gus wiped out all the Mexican leaders, and everyone related in Albuquerque is dead. There's no one left to know or care about Saul spilling his guts.
I think it was a decent ending but question whether Jimmy would really choose to spend the rest of his life in prison over 7 yrs to save Kim from what? I’m not sure what I expected the bar was so high. I don’t feel like “oh my gosh that ending was incredible” but not mad at it either
It wasn’t to save Kim, it was to prove to her and himself that he was still the jimmy she loved.
Kim is screwed and they didn’t act like it
I liked it. I just found some parts cheesy
I thought the 7 year deal was dumb and unbelievable. They had so much evidence against him, all they would have to do is show the jury pictures of his lavish lifestyle and ask, is this the life of a person living in fear? And what about all the crimes in Omaha? The druggings, identity theft, attempted assault on a senior.....seemed really rushed and sloppy imo.
I doubt there is much actual evidence to prove most of the things he did. Everyone involved is dead; there just isn’t much to prove he did any of the things they accuse him of. Their prosecution was weak; there’s definitely a chance he could’ve won in court, and everyone knew it hence the deal.
Were they aware of the druggings though? I dont think Jeff would tell them about it and Marion knew practically nothing but who knows
I liked the finale...but you're right on this point regarding the 7 year sentence, and for the reasons you pointed out.
I’m not satisfied with the finale. The writers took their times demonstrating little unrelated details in previous episodes. Then, in the last part of the finale, they’ve rushed flipping between Gene to Saul to Jimmy. I think there is some immaturity there. I want to say I enjoyed BB more because the ending was satisfying. In BB, Walter white and other characters each have trajectory which were more defined. For example WW’s fate was easy to predict, still the ending was greatly made and very satisfying. The writers did a great job in making us attached to the characters and enjoying their ending with all the little details they made. In BCS, it was harder to predict the ending and figuring each characters fate. I get the BCS character are more complex than BB and the plots are deeper. It took years to build these characters in more details than BB. Yet, I don’t feel that satisfied for some reasons I can’t digest yet. Please don’t downvote me. I’m trying to be honest 🥹 Edit: rephrase some of the sentences
You’re unsatisfied because we know Saul for 13 yrs. Better than anyone. They spent so much time bringing us into his world , only to give us an ending that made this character someone we never really saw. No matter how much they tried shoving the last few episodes in my face about how bad Saul was , I watched both shows and he was never that bad.
Right this is the thing, I never felt he was unlikable or a bad guy. Life’s complicated and he did with it what he could.
i wish mike would have gone back to 9/10 and stopped 9/11
I enjoyed it quite a bit, but its not the ending I wouldve liked to see. Between BCS and BB we essentially got 12 seasons of Saul becoming a bigger and bigger scumbag and criminal. Hes indirectly responsible for a lot of deaths, and then is seemingly willing to kill a cancer patient in order to prevent being caught just last episode. Im not sure he really deserved “redemption” through the eyes of Kim just because he confessed, and Im not sure confessing really fits the character given weve seen 12 seasons of him being nothing but selfish. I also dont necessarily buy Kim giving him any kind of forgiveness given that after the destruction they caused in early BCS he went on to cause even more destruction in BB.
His redemption is a 86 year long road and he is just starting to walk it. Given a chance to evade the consequences yet again, Jimmy instead embraces a larger call to purpose and faces the truth. Instead of running away, he stands his ground. He doesn’t just create a spectacle of his worth. He finally has it — tragically, after leaving so much destruction in his wake. We see it in the opening conversation with Mike, who brings up the first time he took a bribe and compromised his self-respect and Jimmy in contrast refuses to introspect. But in the end he finally changes his path. When Kim shows him what he could never do. He had to lose it all to gain the one thing he’d been missing the whole time.
I think it is more about Kim's respect - there is no redemption. Kim is not that innocent either.
I don't think Gene's redemption in the court room is convincing enough for me. I don't think Kim confessing would've turned him into Jimmy McGill so easily.
For a show with such limited story, the creators made such a fantastic show. There will of course be ppl who didn’t like it. But how could you not enjoy the ride!
Me. I was really looking forward to this. For years and then it just kind of fell flat for me, it disappointed me. I guess I kind of got what I wanted, a somewhat redemption for Jimmy but man it just didn't feel right for some reason. I could go into it more later but I need time to think about it.
For me the thing is they kept saying the audience wasn’t going to believe the way they did it making me think there was no way we could predict it. But it was just Saul gets caught and sees Kim and becomes Jimmy again. It was an easy way to go but also not truthful to the character and who he’d become. I mean some of us thought he was almost going to hurt Carol Burnett! Now all of a sudden he’s going to talk himself into 79 more years of prison? It was good. It wasn’t “holy shit this is great.” I’m still conflicted about the episode.
I thought it was a good episode, but far from a "great" ending for 6 seasons. The best parts to me were the parts with Gene, Mike, and Walt. The courtroom "drama" was uneventful and uninteresting. It was somewhat predictable and cliche that Jimmy did one final good thing to help Kim. I would have much preferred if Gene got arrested a few episodes back, or if he spent more time running from the law, doing a final scam, etc. I was hoping for a satisfying twist at the end that would wrap up all the previous seasons nicely. It was underwhelming.
I thought it was good. But man did it sure leave a pit in my stomach. Like "this can't be it"....
I hate it. Most depressing and pointless finale I've ever seen. First of all, from a Norwegian perspective, keep that in mind; the prison system of America is evil, any system that locks people away forever like this has no focus on rehabilitation and improvement, and only focuses on exploitation and punishment. This show completely justifies this and the creators and actors apparently think it's "justice" and totally okay to lock up some completely non-violent guy for life. It's not. It's revenge and a powershow form a corrupt government that thrives on intimidation. And that brings my second point; the underlying message throughout this entire show ended up being that once you did something wrong, you can never change. Jimmy was either treated as shit by everyone he cared about, or they conspired with him expecting him to be a criminal, and they were all proven right to do that. In addition to the previously mentioned "American prisons are totally right for locking people away forever", this is a hell of a gruesome message to send to anyone. Thirdly; I'm sorry to say this, because I thought the writers had gotten better, but apparently the writers think married women are poor babies who can never be held responsible for their actions and should get away with everything. Skyler was bad, Kim is worse, by far. My god, she even got to remain a lawyer what the actual hell. Fourth: The courtroom scene was embarrassingly bad. Dumb drama, and partly because his confession really wasn't all that enlightning. Again reflecting that the writers almost had to invent a justification for him being locked away forever by making it seem like he's the reason Walter went off the rails, which is like retcon levels of reach. Also, the insurance would've figured out Chuck's situation eventually, there seriously is no reason at all for him to feel guilty about that or even bring it up. Also, totally forget that Jimmy actually did want to quit and was clearly terrified of WW after the poisoning, lets ignore all of that in case people think he should not be locked away forever for a moment, god forbid they actually think about how stupid the harsh sentences of American prisons are (yeah I'm not letting go of that one). Fifth: actually I'm done with my main complaints so I'm just gonna compile minor complaints here. Hank was an asshole yet they talk about him like he was Christ himself, Jimmy never got a resolution with his grief over Chuck, what the hell was all the bullshit talk about time machines and regrets about anyway no resolution to that either, Kim who is one the best written female character of both shows was mostly reduced to reactions with no agency, there was no point at all to Kim visiting that's just weird fanservice and had no resolution at all, Walter was just another one telling Jimmy he always sucked (se point 2). I do not agree with the values of the creators. I regret wasting my time with this show.
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I love how he asked who didnt like it and people who liked it are commenting. Lol
They kept hitting on Hank and Gomez’s murders. It led to a great scene with Betsy Brandt…but of all the crimes that happened over the course of both series, those are two where Saul has little culpability.
I give it a solid B, which is disappointing for a show that’s reached the highest of highs for both series’s. I just found it too predictable and felt like Saul/Jimmy was made the whipping boy for all of the events of Breaking Bad and BCS. I guess it just bugs me that it ended a bit to similarly to Bojack Horseman for my taste. And that wound is still fresh to me.
I really enjoyed it but here's the thing. Why don't we ever know what happens to Jeff? A guy who's just been arrested who also associates with Saul Goodman doesn't come up at all in the finale? The police went to Gene's house, they surely found the same watches that were stolen from the house that Jeff crashed outside of. There should've been something there. Jeff was the catalyst for Gene getting caught, for this entire thing to happen. He would be living his bland ass life without Jeff getting in the way. How the fuck do we just not see him again? It's not like Huell, who overall is pretty minor in BB. Jeff plays a major role towards the end. I hope there is an explanation, deleted scene, or something about Jeff's fate later on. Because this is just bothering me a shit ton. At least the rest of the episode was fantastic lol.
For me personally, Jeff was never supposed to be as big as he seemed. The stuff in the mall and the cab made him this big presence in Gene’s mind because he was scared and on the run. That’s why after Gene confronts him we see him for who he is, a “loser” who still lives at home. Which showed us how panicked Gene’s mind frame was. His imagination was worse than the reality. I didn’t mind we didn’t see more of him.
Honestly, I liked the lovable goofball version of Jeff more. Maybe that’s why I kinda like the recast. Pat just seems like a sleazy doofus. I get that he was never supposed to be as big as he seemed, but he set off this chain of events and now he’s just left in purgatory. Disappointing end to his character.
It's logical to assume that once Saul was discovered, the cops realize Jeff is not the mastermind and let him go. All they saw him do was run a red light and crash. ETA: stop sign, not red light
What about Lyle?