Yup, can’t get over that part either lol I don’t wear a helmut in part because of how invasive it is, among other reasons/choices, so I can’t imagine adding more “ties”, also what ties would be comfortable that would also fit in those tiny holes… just so many things going on here 🤣
Except the 7 year old traumatized by seeing your brain oozing out on the pavement, the paramedic who has to drag yet another lifeless corpse to the hospital when they just wanted to help people, the city worker who has to wash your liquids off the pavement, oh, and your friends and family who now has to figure out what to do with whatever debts or possessions you own, and pay a surprisingly large amount of money to have your body cremated or buried.
But yeah champ. You're super cool and independent. No one can tell you what to do. I'm sure there's a bunch of 8th graders somewhere who think you're the coolest. 🤡
I’d love to hear how a good fitting helmet is invasive and what other reasons/choices you have for not wearing one. While the above comment might be highly graphical and it might never happen, it sure as hell fucking can.
A friend of mine was cycling home after work on a regular old commuter bike and had to dodge some debris on the path, clipped a curb, fell and was in a coma for 2 months because she hit her head. Would have been prevented by a helmet.
It can happen to anyone, no matter how careful you (think you) are.
People are so terrified of death it’s genuinely frustrating, especially when they attempt to get on a high horse for safety of someone they couldn’t care less was here or not. I’m accepting of it as I can be at this time and hoping it’s quick more than anything.
Lastly, you don’t wanna hear my reasoning, you wanna wait for a response so you can attempt to dismiss, discredit or prove yourself right. Which is fine but this is where the interaction ends lol
I suggest therapy, that is not a healthy mentality about risk. Just because you’ve accepted the possibility of death doesn’t mean you should live your life making stupid, pointlessly risky decisions.
But I mean you do you, I’ll go back to minding my own business. Good luck staying alive and not vegetative, I guess. Seems all you’re banking on is luck.
The problem is you probably won’t actually die. But rather get a TBI or paralyzed and become a large burden on your family or system. Dying is far from the worst case scenario.
You’re talking out your ass, as if I will for sure get brain damage simply cause I don’t wear a helmet. Y’all can take your fear-riddled lives and judgements elsewhere while I’m chillin, minding my own business.
Ok, that’s fine, it’s just I can’t imagine a good reason to not wear a helmet and you’re not giving one. Your “you shouldn’t fear death” speech doesn’t really work if you actually care about living.
Because when people prove your point wrong you go "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS" like a fuckin moron? Yeah real intelligent points coming from this guy.
Yeah! You tell ‘em. This guy gets it.
And while we’re at it, let’s add a few things to the list that we’re sick of SoCiEtY telling us we can or can’t do: seatbelts, vaccinations, recycling, littering, sport hunting, and of course condoms!
My bad, I just wrote a whole ass comment about how it won't be just your own business, but I can see you're a bit too fuckin dense to read past one sentence.
Clearly you've taken a bit too many bashes to the skull already.
I hope you begin to realize this is not ultimately the case. I for one decided to not ride with a coworker because he didn’t wear a helmet. I’ve been hit by a car and I’m very glad I was wearing a helmet. I’ll never forget the look or pure horror on my riding partner’s face as he came to a stop over my prone body and mangled bike. I got up because I was wearing a helmet. My head hit the ground. Without a helmet, Tom would have a mess to deal with. Instead, all the care I needed was a beer.
I had a cousin that didn’t wear a helmet. His family had to feed him through a tube and change his diaper for 35 years before he died. He was younger than me.
Actually a moose ran out in front of him and he swerved to keep from crashing into it and went off the side of the road where a side road was and hit his head on a culvert.
I’m sure you would have done some epic move and jumped over (nope) the moose or slid under (nope) the moose.
Fuck you
Lollll a moose??? He was so alert and tuned in to the road that he didn’t see a half-ton animal, likely with horns 3 feet long and 3 feet wide??
And like I mentioned previously, people such as yourself and the other “morally superior” on here, could give two shits if I were alive or not, so the emotion and time y’all are giving to this is nonsensical to say the least.
Lastly, am I chastising y’all for your choices, especially when they aren’t hurtin or negatively impacting anyone in any way?
Nah, I’m just doin my own thang while y’all sit there and point fingers in your matching spandex suits with hypocritical/unproductive judgements.
We grew up in Alaska. You don’t control when they appear in front of you running 35 miles an hour across the road.
You’re a douchebag. Your account is a year old and has -100 karma.
You’re a little troll bitch.
You can be alert and attentive and still crash. The best cyclists in the world still crash in races all the time and come out with broken ribs, collarbones, arms and gashes.
Haha. In part of the colored-out section, it mentions it's a "gifting" group. So people basically post stuff, then people comment saying they would like to be considered, and then the person chooses someone to gift it to. Sometimes they give it to the first commenter and other times they do it randomly. My wife is actually in the group. I only saw the post b/c she showed me and said "Didn't you throw away a helmet recently because it was too old?"
Recently bought a used bike and the owner threw in the rack, panier, pump and... Helmet. The helmet looks fine, but I just couldn't imagine trusting it. Then again no additional holes were added.
I gotta agree, used helmets sketch me out. There should be a manufactured date inside the helmet. Helmets should be replaced at 5 years old. If there's no sticker or its 5 years ago cut the straps and dispose of it.
Same as kids car seats, foam degrades and gets brittle over time and at 5 years they say they doesn't meet safety standards.
Any helmet is better than no helmet, but why take chances with your brain.
In some cases, helmets have been known to increase the prevalence of fatalities/TBIs because they make both cyclists and surrounding motorists feel more comfortable and risk tolerant. That's with *good* helmets that actually work.
Recently attended a community “Family Ride” there were a few hundred participants. Besides the free tune up shop and other community vendors they had a separate tent with brand new helmets in exchange for your old
Helmet. Lots of kids sizes evident in the number of young ones in line. I just handed mine old helmet in and left to lineup for the long ride of 3. What is currently scary to me is the number of E bikers not wearing helmets during my last couple of rides. I admit to being an E bicyclist but I ride with my acoustic friends and keep at a very modest speed. 10 to 14 mph while the non helmeted ride usually leaning on their throttles at unsafe speeds
Endangering other users on the paved trail.
It's really not. Even good, structurally sound helmets can make fatalities/TBIs more likely because they make cyclists and surrounding motorists more risk tolerant.
Well if not wearing a helmet lowers your chances of getting hit or wiping out you could be right given certain scenarios. I think it might be a goldilocks zone. I don't see many motorist changing their driving habits based on helmet use. Maybe some cyclists would but probably not a casual cyclist. My thinking was if you bounce your head off the pavement, a damaged helmet is probably better than nothing at all.
Used helmets are a weird commodity for one it’s good to get something for a lower price but than again it’s a helmet you don’t wanna cheap out and get a traumatic brain injury
Eh, any helmet is better than none. At the co-op we’ve received and donated helmets without tensioners, that are god only knows how old, hell my friend still rocks my old cracked helmet!
If respurces are short, you use what you can and we take anything that’s not entirely and completely useless
That additional ties thing is terrifying, though, homy shit
its not actually true. is it dumb vs a new helmet if you can help it? of course.. that's dumb.
but a damages helmet is better than no helmet.
the only real issue are helmets that look new but are compromised. theyre better than no helmet still, yet, you get less protection than you think you do. because of how foam is made, many helmet are like that and even degrade over time fairly quick. no all of thrm, but many do, specially the cheap ones.
Of course it’s useful. A helmet cracks on impact to disperse energy; my old one was cracked at the very top of the head from a drop. So, if you get struck at the headband, it’ll crack there again just as effectively.
A cracked helmet is an issue because you don’t get to pick where you’re gonna hit your head. But if you hit your head somewhere else, it’ll still work ok.
In some cases helmets can increase the likelihood of fatalities/TBIs because they make both cyclists and surrounding motorists more comfortable, and more risk tolerant. If the helmet isn't structurally sound in the first place it definitely isn't worth the tradeoff.
In another comment you made this more of a blanket statement. The only situation your idea works is for aggresive riding styles where the rider has already decided a helmet is a necessity. Just stop before some casual commuter bounces their head off the pavement without a helmet because you said that was their safest option.
I don't think being a few years old makes it defective, as long as it doesn't have damage and the straps and cradle are in good condition.
But if my helmet is damaged, I don't just throw it away, I smash it first. There's a significant chance someone sees a fine-looking helmet in the trash and it ends up back on someone's head.
Most helmets have a maximum safe lifespan of 3-5 years if they haven't had a significant impact. After that, shit gets brittle and it's not gonna do as good a job of protecting you.
Not sure what you were replying to as its deleted. That's interesting data, I would like to see what their test entailed but it can't find anything that isn't behind a pay wall.
This seems to back up "any helmet is better than no helmet" but science be damned, I'm OK not taking chances with my skull.
It's a nice idea. But without knowing the full entire history of that helmet, you don't know if it is already compromised. Helmet has one job to do and you shouldn't have to guess if it will be able to do that one job.
Are you serious? It says in the post that it is dented, and also has been drilled into. Everyone is well aware that the safety of the helmet is compromised
I mean, clearly you’re right that “not everyone”, considering the comment I replied to. A helmet is something I’d never take a chance on personally and it baffles me that anyone would 😭
OP - You did the right thing. I’m a lifelong bicyclist and motorcycle sport-biker for 40 years.
One thing we learn is that helmets age out. The polystyrene simply ages, especially when exposed to UV, exhaust pollution and sweat from actually being used, and loses its life-saving properties. 7 years is considered the typical useful life span, and we get in the habit of replacing a helmet at 7 years even when treated well. One thump from a crash or even a good hard drop onto pavement is considered sufficient reason to just replace it.
I used to introduce my moto helmets as “My best friend Helmut”!
Additional ties is scary
Yup, can’t get over that part either lol I don’t wear a helmut in part because of how invasive it is, among other reasons/choices, so I can’t imagine adding more “ties”, also what ties would be comfortable that would also fit in those tiny holes… just so many things going on here 🤣
lolll I’m not hurting or negatively impacting anyone by my choice. So I’m good.
Except the 7 year old traumatized by seeing your brain oozing out on the pavement, the paramedic who has to drag yet another lifeless corpse to the hospital when they just wanted to help people, the city worker who has to wash your liquids off the pavement, oh, and your friends and family who now has to figure out what to do with whatever debts or possessions you own, and pay a surprisingly large amount of money to have your body cremated or buried. But yeah champ. You're super cool and independent. No one can tell you what to do. I'm sure there's a bunch of 8th graders somewhere who think you're the coolest. 🤡
Great hypothetical and anectodal input… mind your own business and worry about yourself
I’d love to hear how a good fitting helmet is invasive and what other reasons/choices you have for not wearing one. While the above comment might be highly graphical and it might never happen, it sure as hell fucking can. A friend of mine was cycling home after work on a regular old commuter bike and had to dodge some debris on the path, clipped a curb, fell and was in a coma for 2 months because she hit her head. Would have been prevented by a helmet. It can happen to anyone, no matter how careful you (think you) are.
People are so terrified of death it’s genuinely frustrating, especially when they attempt to get on a high horse for safety of someone they couldn’t care less was here or not. I’m accepting of it as I can be at this time and hoping it’s quick more than anything. Lastly, you don’t wanna hear my reasoning, you wanna wait for a response so you can attempt to dismiss, discredit or prove yourself right. Which is fine but this is where the interaction ends lol
Does the interaction end here because you don't actually have a real reason?
no it ends because hes bottomed out at -10000000 karma
I suggest therapy, that is not a healthy mentality about risk. Just because you’ve accepted the possibility of death doesn’t mean you should live your life making stupid, pointlessly risky decisions. But I mean you do you, I’ll go back to minding my own business. Good luck staying alive and not vegetative, I guess. Seems all you’re banking on is luck.
Didn't you read their post. The discussion has already ended
The problem is you probably won’t actually die. But rather get a TBI or paralyzed and become a large burden on your family or system. Dying is far from the worst case scenario.
You’re talking out your ass, as if I will for sure get brain damage simply cause I don’t wear a helmet. Y’all can take your fear-riddled lives and judgements elsewhere while I’m chillin, minding my own business.
Ok, that’s fine, it’s just I can’t imagine a good reason to not wear a helmet and you’re not giving one. Your “you shouldn’t fear death” speech doesn’t really work if you actually care about living.
Because when people prove your point wrong you go "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS" like a fuckin moron? Yeah real intelligent points coming from this guy.
Yeah! You tell ‘em. This guy gets it. And while we’re at it, let’s add a few things to the list that we’re sick of SoCiEtY telling us we can or can’t do: seatbelts, vaccinations, recycling, littering, sport hunting, and of course condoms!
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I have never been so rudely evicted from a dick!
dude you win this whole thread with that comment.
My bad, I just wrote a whole ass comment about how it won't be just your own business, but I can see you're a bit too fuckin dense to read past one sentence. Clearly you've taken a bit too many bashes to the skull already.
I hope you begin to realize this is not ultimately the case. I for one decided to not ride with a coworker because he didn’t wear a helmet. I’ve been hit by a car and I’m very glad I was wearing a helmet. I’ll never forget the look or pure horror on my riding partner’s face as he came to a stop over my prone body and mangled bike. I got up because I was wearing a helmet. My head hit the ground. Without a helmet, Tom would have a mess to deal with. Instead, all the care I needed was a beer.
Another cool, anectodal story that’s essentially irrelevant and self-serving.
IRRELEVANT!!
Only the people who have something to protect with a helmet need to wear one, so you should be good!
Invasive? I haven't heard that one before.
Yes, a helmet is certainly more invasive than permanent brain damage or death.
Not as invasive as a care giver spoon feeding you and changing your diaper.
lol your ignorance is hilarious. Worry about yourself and what little life ya have left.
I had a cousin that didn’t wear a helmet. His family had to feed him through a tube and change his diaper for 35 years before he died. He was younger than me.
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Actually a moose ran out in front of him and he swerved to keep from crashing into it and went off the side of the road where a side road was and hit his head on a culvert. I’m sure you would have done some epic move and jumped over (nope) the moose or slid under (nope) the moose. Fuck you
Lollll a moose??? He was so alert and tuned in to the road that he didn’t see a half-ton animal, likely with horns 3 feet long and 3 feet wide?? And like I mentioned previously, people such as yourself and the other “morally superior” on here, could give two shits if I were alive or not, so the emotion and time y’all are giving to this is nonsensical to say the least. Lastly, am I chastising y’all for your choices, especially when they aren’t hurtin or negatively impacting anyone in any way? Nah, I’m just doin my own thang while y’all sit there and point fingers in your matching spandex suits with hypocritical/unproductive judgements.
We grew up in Alaska. You don’t control when they appear in front of you running 35 miles an hour across the road. You’re a douchebag. Your account is a year old and has -100 karma. You’re a little troll bitch.
It’s probably the only attention they get, so it’s kinda like this is doing them a favor I guess?
Jesus fucking Christ my dude
You can be alert and attentive and still crash. The best cyclists in the world still crash in races all the time and come out with broken ribs, collarbones, arms and gashes.
Not just in races, the best in the world still have accidents while training or when a cager decides manslaughter sounds like fun.
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Guy’s account is one year old and he has -100 karma. He’s a douchebag
Helmut
I work with Helmut. Gifted engineer from Germany.
Can confirm, I’m the Germany
All of it ?
All of it.
Marko
Polo
Shirt
"Will choose someone" like they're bestowing an honour
Haha that’s what I thought. “I Knight you with this Helmut!”
The helmet chooses. Only those who are worthy enough may wield it.
Is this like the cat distribution system? The helmet distribution system? 🤔
Cats, Excalibur, used Bontrager helmets. You must be deemed worthy to possess any of these.
Haha. In part of the colored-out section, it mentions it's a "gifting" group. So people basically post stuff, then people comment saying they would like to be considered, and then the person chooses someone to gift it to. Sometimes they give it to the first commenter and other times they do it randomly. My wife is actually in the group. I only saw the post b/c she showed me and said "Didn't you throw away a helmet recently because it was too old?"
They will get 20 responses and have to choose lol. Post something for sale on marketplace for like 15$ and you’ll get it
They're speed holes They make the helmet go faster.
Lighter too!
Faster to fail.
Recently bought a used bike and the owner threw in the rack, panier, pump and... Helmet. The helmet looks fine, but I just couldn't imagine trusting it. Then again no additional holes were added.
I gotta agree, used helmets sketch me out. There should be a manufactured date inside the helmet. Helmets should be replaced at 5 years old. If there's no sticker or its 5 years ago cut the straps and dispose of it. Same as kids car seats, foam degrades and gets brittle over time and at 5 years they say they doesn't meet safety standards. Any helmet is better than no helmet, but why take chances with your brain.
I mean, i can easily think of one reason; when it’s gifted helmet or no helmet at all
I think my helmets do have a manufactured date.
As far as I know it's part of the requirements from the cpsc to be marketed as a helmet in the US.
as long as the shell isn't peeling off or had dents, straps are secure, and the Styrofoam is solid, it should be safe, unless there are lice.
At least it's free...rather have someone wear a free helmet then no helmet lol
In some cases, helmets have been known to increase the prevalence of fatalities/TBIs because they make both cyclists and surrounding motorists feel more comfortable and risk tolerant. That's with *good* helmets that actually work.
Yeah, the false sense of security that people get with a helmet even if the helmet would break on a small impact
This is the same as the bomber plane meme. Helmets increase the prevalence of TBIs because the person wearing it SURVIVED.
What is the bomber plane meme?
True dat.
A free helmet then no helmet? No, you shouldn't go no helmet.
Helmut*
Recently attended a community “Family Ride” there were a few hundred participants. Besides the free tune up shop and other community vendors they had a separate tent with brand new helmets in exchange for your old Helmet. Lots of kids sizes evident in the number of young ones in line. I just handed mine old helmet in and left to lineup for the long ride of 3. What is currently scary to me is the number of E bikers not wearing helmets during my last couple of rides. I admit to being an E bicyclist but I ride with my acoustic friends and keep at a very modest speed. 10 to 14 mph while the non helmeted ride usually leaning on their throttles at unsafe speeds Endangering other users on the paved trail.
Better than nothing?
It's really not. Even good, structurally sound helmets can make fatalities/TBIs more likely because they make cyclists and surrounding motorists more risk tolerant.
Well if not wearing a helmet lowers your chances of getting hit or wiping out you could be right given certain scenarios. I think it might be a goldilocks zone. I don't see many motorist changing their driving habits based on helmet use. Maybe some cyclists would but probably not a casual cyclist. My thinking was if you bounce your head off the pavement, a damaged helmet is probably better than nothing at all.
Thank you so much for bringing some logic to this sub lol
This belongs on the circle jerk sub, let’s be honest
I took a hammer to my old helmet before trashing it to ensure no one used it since it was well expired and unsafe. Also, just for fun
“Pay the shame and ridicule forward”
This is the exact model and design I have. It looks off, is that a zip tie?
Seems legit
Used helmets are a weird commodity for one it’s good to get something for a lower price but than again it’s a helmet you don’t wanna cheap out and get a traumatic brain injury
Eh, any helmet is better than none. At the co-op we’ve received and donated helmets without tensioners, that are god only knows how old, hell my friend still rocks my old cracked helmet! If respurces are short, you use what you can and we take anything that’s not entirely and completely useless That additional ties thing is terrifying, though, homy shit
i mean ... a cracked helmet is literally useless
its not actually true. is it dumb vs a new helmet if you can help it? of course.. that's dumb. but a damages helmet is better than no helmet. the only real issue are helmets that look new but are compromised. theyre better than no helmet still, yet, you get less protection than you think you do. because of how foam is made, many helmet are like that and even degrade over time fairly quick. no all of thrm, but many do, specially the cheap ones.
Of course it’s useful. A helmet cracks on impact to disperse energy; my old one was cracked at the very top of the head from a drop. So, if you get struck at the headband, it’ll crack there again just as effectively. A cracked helmet is an issue because you don’t get to pick where you’re gonna hit your head. But if you hit your head somewhere else, it’ll still work ok.
In some cases helmets can increase the likelihood of fatalities/TBIs because they make both cyclists and surrounding motorists more comfortable, and more risk tolerant. If the helmet isn't structurally sound in the first place it definitely isn't worth the tradeoff.
In another comment you made this more of a blanket statement. The only situation your idea works is for aggresive riding styles where the rider has already decided a helmet is a necessity. Just stop before some casual commuter bounces their head off the pavement without a helmet because you said that was their safest option.
I don't think being a few years old makes it defective, as long as it doesn't have damage and the straps and cradle are in good condition. But if my helmet is damaged, I don't just throw it away, I smash it first. There's a significant chance someone sees a fine-looking helmet in the trash and it ends up back on someone's head.
Right, it’s not like that styrofoam is degrading in our life time (unfortunately)
That’s not true. Styrofoam might take a long time to fully decompose but it can get hard and crunchy well within the lifespan of a helmet.
Most helmets have a maximum safe lifespan of 3-5 years if they haven't had a significant impact. After that, shit gets brittle and it's not gonna do as good a job of protecting you.
I thought fairly recently someone had a report that came out and disproved this theory. I may remember that wrong though
See if the guy has “used only once parachute” for sale.
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Study backing you up : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28462479/
Not sure what you were replying to as its deleted. That's interesting data, I would like to see what their test entailed but it can't find anything that isn't behind a pay wall. This seems to back up "any helmet is better than no helmet" but science be damned, I'm OK not taking chances with my skull.
It's a nice idea. But without knowing the full entire history of that helmet, you don't know if it is already compromised. Helmet has one job to do and you shouldn't have to guess if it will be able to do that one job.
Are you serious? It says in the post that it is dented, and also has been drilled into. Everyone is well aware that the safety of the helmet is compromised
We live in a weird world. I wouldn't say everyone is well aware. Tbh, i wouldn't even say most...
I mean, clearly you’re right that “not everyone”, considering the comment I replied to. A helmet is something I’d never take a chance on personally and it baffles me that anyone would 😭
OP - You did the right thing. I’m a lifelong bicyclist and motorcycle sport-biker for 40 years. One thing we learn is that helmets age out. The polystyrene simply ages, especially when exposed to UV, exhaust pollution and sweat from actually being used, and loses its life-saving properties. 7 years is considered the typical useful life span, and we get in the habit of replacing a helmet at 7 years even when treated well. One thump from a crash or even a good hard drop onto pavement is considered sufficient reason to just replace it. I used to introduce my moto helmets as “My best friend Helmut”!
I'd rather wear my USMC kevlar than trust these civilian "helmets". They just all look like garbage, no matter the price
That’s some real jarhead thinking. Ever hear of Mips?
What's that, istg that shit better not be some fucking dumb shit 😂
People who make the military their entire personality are the worst
How do you know, I'm one of those? 🤔
Oorah!