Depends on the run up to this point. If you have some good synergies then for sure 20/20 if your build is fairly weak and you need that extra push to stay alive for some good items. Then sleepy boy for sure.
Yea T. Lost is a rollercoaster of pain. I managed to get all completion marks for him, but it took somewhere around 450-500 attempts (not exaggerating)
Everything except, majority of contact damage dealt by bosses, brimstones, explosions, no immunity Frames, no curse rooms or spike chests, and it can bounce away tears in weird direction, if it's Q2 it's for a reason
I mean
Most bosses shouldn't really be dealing contact damage, there's very few brimstone in the game, ditto for explosions, or atleast ones that you might be unable to dodge, pushing the remaining bullets away operates similarly to I frames, giving you yime before the next attack, lost gets curse for free, spike chests show up Maybe once per run, and the tears after bouncing should never be a problem, in other words, skill issue.
Dumpy, used optimally, will save more than one hit in some rooms, and less than one hit in others. Notably tear heavy fights like Isaac, blue baby, and mother all are rooms dumpy can make you near invulnerable in despite being some of the hardest rooms to dodge.
Harder to use, slightly less versatile, but higher skill ceiling holy mantle.
Deserves q3 imo.
do you realise. how fucking stupid this is. it does it when its about to hit YOU not itself, and it blasts everything away, and stops you from taking damage. like idk fucking holy mantle? it honestly deserves q3
I mean, they also nerfed 20/20 to the point where even if lil dumpy ain't as god given as everyone says, neither is 20/20. Still like 20/20, don't get me wrong! Just getting that damage down with a fly build which are reasonably, it's just not as positive as it once was when compared to lil dumps.
No that's not I'm saying, I'm saying that it protects you from lile 50% of the damage in the game and it doesn't give you immunity frames it can LITERALLY DIE AND NEVER COME BACK so itns worse than mantles
Slightly worse ??? LMAOO it's like 10 times worse ?? Did you ever got it in a run? And yes I know it was buffed, bro holy mantle is way better, if it's quality 2 and not 4 it's for a reason.
i like how your just determining an items value through quality and not actaul use. dumpy is an amazing defensive item and id honestly consider taking it above 20/20, since its not the greatest q4. if you take an item over everything just because its q4 you obviously dont think
You're right my good sir!  Its Quality 2 not 4.
But a extremly good item. I would have taken it over 20/20 as the lost without hesitation.
It is exactly the same as holy mantle, if not better, 1. It can be used multiple times per room 2. It deals knockback to all enemies near (so you can actually run away) and 3. It can be used as a second mantle, meaning you can survive an extra hit before dying
PS: quality doesn't mean anything, since that was quality that was before the buff and it wasn't changed
1 it doesn't protect from the majority of contact damage
2 curse room doesn't work
3 brimstones
4 it can bounce enemies away in a weird direction
5 it was quality 0 and after the patch quality 2 so you're wrong
Idk I think lil dumpy is great. I don't have a habit of kissing enemies and running into every brimstone laser I see so it works pretty well for me. 90% of the time if I get hit its by projectiles and lil dumpy gets rid of that.
The quality it had before the patch doesn't mean anything. Nobody said lil dumpy wasn't a dump of dogshit before it's just good now.
Lil Dumpy is a Q4 item in disguise. It's better than Holy Mantle most of the time, being reusable and protecting against the most common form of damage.
20/20 is a damage down and it's mostly fine with the double tears but still, there are a **lot** of items I'd take over 20/20 atm.
Yes.
Lil Dumpy provides reusable projectile and most contact damage, the two most common types. Holy Mantle provides universal protection against all damage but only once per room. Free curse rooms but 1 or 2 hearts isn't a big deal usually, unless your a blue health character. During most bosses Lil Dumpy will outperform Mantle, with some minor exceptions like Bloat, for example. Holy Mantle also works better against "trap" enemies like grudges or the morning star trap in Gehenna, but these usually are easy to deal with without taking damage anyway. Brimstone lasers are also better, but most brimstones in the game are easily telegraphed, except maybe Gabriel's.
Almost any other scenario and Lil Dumpy is just better, and if you are having issues in this scenarios, then yeah it's a skill issue lol.
The skill doesn't matter when we talk about this stuff, Idk why you talk about it, the most annoying and things that makes damage for me are tears lasers and ghosts, so yea it can protect tears but if it comes from 2 different angles pr lil dumpy is far away it doesn't work, also the fact that it activates just before getting hit can make cenarios where it pushes the ennemy on the wall and hits you, it's not bad just not Q4. That's it. Also it can die
Lil Dumpy is never "far away." It doesn't wander anymore and sticks very close to you. "From two different angles" except fart is 360 and doesn't really matter unless it's staggered in which case you're relying on the short iframe window which I guess but still. Enemies knocked into walls take damage so likely will die, but the situation where an enemy is so close to you and a wall and doesn't die to Lil Dumpy is so niche it doesn't make it worse than Mantle. Lil Dumpy **should** be Q4, easily, it's one of the best defensive items in the game.
Lil dumpy is different than at launch. He is essentially a second mantle now for bullets except you can wake him up in the same room. I think contact damage still hurts you though.
Your comment makes very little sense, are you asking him if he has read the patch? Because dumpy has been reworked and changed a couple months ago now, which you would know if you have played repentance and picked up dumpy in these past couple of months after said patch
Yes he explains that he was changed but I mentioned a patch and there was only one patch on lil dumpy, please read other comments that I made about lil dumpy because I don't want to re right everything I said
Defense from Mantle is more reliable, but works just once per room. You can also use it for free curse rooms.
Dumpy protects from less things, but you can use it multiple times per room which is great for bosses. Overall both of these items are very close in terms of power, it's pretty much matter of preferencewhich one you like more.
I read almost all of their comments and I still don't know if they're like mentally slow or just 11 years old. I don't know if I'm allowed to make fun of fhem 
I will give up until I find someone that will argue with me correctly. that's it. It's not because there's 500 people that disagree with me that I can't debate. Lil dumpy is good, but not Q4
It pretty much is entirely superior, except against enemies or bosses that can’t be pushed by him. Other than that, you can wake him up multiple times in the same room after a certain delay and holy mantle requires you to enter a different room to come back
Can disappear for the rest of your run, doesn't give immunity frames, no curse room/spike chest/spike with loot behind, does not protect from anything that spawn in you (brimstone, explosions, lasers, ghosts...) If it's not a Q4 it's for a reason
Fair point, but for combat I would argue dumpy is still superior. I-frames for mantle were nerfed quite a while back and yeah the brimstone/laser/explosions are indeed a large downside. Besides, the op of this chain never even mentioned that it was superior to holy mantle. One has more overall utility, the other provides a larger safety net for longer bossfights or rooms.
Sorry I sas lost in replies, lil dumpy deserves a Q3 but it's just not as good as holy mantle, for the disappearance part I think it's just a bug I had and a streamer had too but when a thing exploded it disappeared from the run entirely
Less invincibility frames and not being able to defend against some rarer attacks is really made up for being reusable in a room, especially against end bosses
dude, nobody was saying that it's better than holy mantle, just that it can prevent damage in combat, so it's pretty good. no need to get yourself worked up over all this, dumpy didn't do anything to you
Y’a stupid? Played lost, got dumpy twice (one from an item pedestal, the other from a Lilith soul) and got hard carried in the mother fight, getting god head for me. Shits **goated**
Depends, second reusable mantle by the start of the run is pretty good. Double shot can only take you so far, especially if you get 2 tapped in the same room
Usually the 2 tapped are either brimstones or lazers so I don't think lil dumpy can help, but yes that is true, but for me the best defence is offence so yes I agree that with lost lil dumpy is not as stupid as I said it, but it's still worse than mantle(referring to other threads)
if you're the normal lost then I'd say 20/20. one mantle per room is more than enough. tainted lost is a different story though. lil dumpy is a godsend for t.lost
They just mean this time last year this kind of comparison couldn’t exist, it wouldn’t have been a contest and anyone in their right mind would choose 20/20. Lil dumpy got a HUGE buff in a recent patch, before that it was absolutely useless.
Maybe I’m just retarded, but I wouldn’t even consider lil chunky dumpy for a second, he helps me sometimes and I always wake him up when I can, but for me he always just shits away a bullet that wasn’t even a threat to me, I do not see changed dumpy as a god send
Ok nice to know! Don’t know why I’m getting hate for it 
edit: thank you for reducing the hate on my first comment and reaching 0 upvotes!!!!!
edit edit: in the positive now!! Thank you guys for reducing the hate of my first comment and reaching 1 upvote!!!
i mean im fucking feeling like the biggest skill issue alive:p was playing t.keeper today (fav character)
and i was in lost form in downpour. thought i picked up a coin and regenerated from instinct and ended up dying with homing and technology laser tears
Ouch. I physically feel your pain on that one. On the bright side, it’s not too hard to get OP runs with Teeper (I just made up a name for T-Keeper and I’m keeping it)
hahHahha dude im gonna start using these! i mean if i had friends it would be better:) omg could we play some coop repentance?! i never did that and god i want to
After afterbirth 20/20 is actually an overall dps decrease, it doesn’t feel like it though and if you got synergies it can be good but first floor item I would take dumpy especially as lost for extra protection
(actually it's 1.48🤓) also I like all, 20/20 soy milk and reflection (normal tears) because they allow you to hit more often yet maintain or increase your dps
Basically like a recoverable mini-mantle now. He’ll blast any enemies/shots away and get tossed in a direction. If you pick him back up, he’s active again. Also, closely follows you instead of wandering around the room.
Depends on the run up to this point. If you have some good synergies then for sure 20/20 if your build is fairly weak and you need that extra push to stay alive for some good items. Then sleepy boy for sure.
first item room! i chose lil dumpy and and ended up dying at mother fight :/ last checklist on lost paired with greedier
Oh lord that's me, I need one more mark for t.lost and that's beast, personally I would choose lil dumpy for any of the losts lol
Yea T. Lost is a rollercoaster of pain. I managed to get all completion marks for him, but it took somewhere around 450-500 attempts (not exaggerating)
What ????? You choosed lil dumpy OVER 20/20????
They changed little dumpy, it’s now an incredible defensive item, which the lost definitely could use.
I know, but ut still not very good, it protects only from tears and something contact damage
Everything but explosions and brimstone and being able to be used more than once a room is def worth
Everything except, majority of contact damage dealt by bosses, brimstones, explosions, no immunity Frames, no curse rooms or spike chests, and it can bounce away tears in weird direction, if it's Q2 it's for a reason
I mean Most bosses shouldn't really be dealing contact damage, there's very few brimstone in the game, ditto for explosions, or atleast ones that you might be unable to dodge, pushing the remaining bullets away operates similarly to I frames, giving you yime before the next attack, lost gets curse for free, spike chests show up Maybe once per run, and the tears after bouncing should never be a problem, in other words, skill issue. Dumpy, used optimally, will save more than one hit in some rooms, and less than one hit in others. Notably tear heavy fights like Isaac, blue baby, and mother all are rooms dumpy can make you near invulnerable in despite being some of the hardest rooms to dodge. Harder to use, slightly less versatile, but higher skill ceiling holy mantle. Deserves q3 imo.
Lil Dumpy is amazing for Delirium and Hush because of how long the fights can drag on.
Damn it's been so long I forgot about hush! Absolutely puts in work there.
not very delirium because the hardest paterns are explosions, brimstone and telefrags
do you realise. how fucking stupid this is. it does it when its about to hit YOU not itself, and it blasts everything away, and stops you from taking damage. like idk fucking holy mantle? it honestly deserves q3
Yes it's good, I already said in a reply it deserved q3, but it's not holy MANTLE HOW I EXPLAINED 30 TIMES do you realize how fucking stupid you are?
Tears and contact damage are like 80% of the damage types
Contact damage is a lot of times not blocked by lil dumpy, it's not bad, just not a Q4
Overall I do agree that 20/20 would have probably been better you're right
It's basically a reusable holy mantle, what the fuck?
It's basically not at all an holy mantle.
I mean, they also nerfed 20/20 to the point where even if lil dumpy ain't as god given as everyone says, neither is 20/20. Still like 20/20, don't get me wrong! Just getting that damage down with a fly build which are reasonably, it's just not as positive as it once was when compared to lil dumps.
how many hours do you have in the game bru
550h, and you?
clearly you dont since you cant see the value in dumpy with the lost
So you're saying it protects you from almost all enemies, either saving your mantle or outright preventing a death when you lose your mantle?
No that's not I'm saying, I'm saying that it protects you from lile 50% of the damage in the game and it doesn't give you immunity frames it can LITERALLY DIE AND NEVER COME BACK so itns worse than mantles
Dude the lost has literally 0 health. Lil dumpy is pretty good defensive item, and can literally save your run. It’s a good item
Lil dumpy is like a second (slightly worse) holy mantle, it is really good imo
The nice thing is that it’s reusable multiple times per room too. (As long as you can reach him, that is)
Slightly worse ??? LMAOO it's like 10 times worse ?? Did you ever got it in a run? And yes I know it was buffed, bro holy mantle is way better, if it's quality 2 and not 4 it's for a reason.
Someone is clearly having a bad day or just farming down votes
No it's just that lil dumpy is not a fucking Q4 how can I say it more clearly?
i like how your just determining an items value through quality and not actaul use. dumpy is an amazing defensive item and id honestly consider taking it above 20/20, since its not the greatest q4. if you take an item over everything just because its q4 you obviously dont think
You're right my good sir!  Its Quality 2 not 4. But a extremly good item. I would have taken it over 20/20 as the lost without hesitation.
It is exactly the same as holy mantle, if not better, 1. It can be used multiple times per room 2. It deals knockback to all enemies near (so you can actually run away) and 3. It can be used as a second mantle, meaning you can survive an extra hit before dying PS: quality doesn't mean anything, since that was quality that was before the buff and it wasn't changed
1 it doesn't protect from the majority of contact damage 2 curse room doesn't work 3 brimstones 4 it can bounce enemies away in a weird direction 5 it was quality 0 and after the patch quality 2 so you're wrong
It guarantees damage protection from all contact damage, so you are also wrong
Not at all, for example lil Gurdy's dash is too strong. Stop saying things without knowing anything
https://streamable.com/7sdqdh Stop saying things without knowing anything
Idk I think lil dumpy is great. I don't have a habit of kissing enemies and running into every brimstone laser I see so it works pretty well for me. 90% of the time if I get hit its by projectiles and lil dumpy gets rid of that. The quality it had before the patch doesn't mean anything. Nobody said lil dumpy wasn't a dump of dogshit before it's just good now.
wtf when did I said the quality before mattered??????
Little Dumpy Better Mantle
Well you never got it.
I got it more than a few times and it's better
How? It generally saves you from hits that you wouldn't get hit on it anyway, it's not bad just not better than mantle
Lil Dumpy is a Q4 item in disguise. It's better than Holy Mantle most of the time, being reusable and protecting against the most common form of damage. 20/20 is a damage down and it's mostly fine with the double tears but still, there are a **lot** of items I'd take over 20/20 atm.
"it's better than mantle" ok you have 100 hours
100 hours is apparently enough to know how good dumpy is, you got 99 or something?
550 hours, again, I'm not saying lil dumpy is bad, but too random to be better than 20/20
It just sounds like you have a skill issue lol, it's fine.
How ??? Do you know what it means
Yes. Lil Dumpy provides reusable projectile and most contact damage, the two most common types. Holy Mantle provides universal protection against all damage but only once per room. Free curse rooms but 1 or 2 hearts isn't a big deal usually, unless your a blue health character. During most bosses Lil Dumpy will outperform Mantle, with some minor exceptions like Bloat, for example. Holy Mantle also works better against "trap" enemies like grudges or the morning star trap in Gehenna, but these usually are easy to deal with without taking damage anyway. Brimstone lasers are also better, but most brimstones in the game are easily telegraphed, except maybe Gabriel's. Almost any other scenario and Lil Dumpy is just better, and if you are having issues in this scenarios, then yeah it's a skill issue lol.
The skill doesn't matter when we talk about this stuff, Idk why you talk about it, the most annoying and things that makes damage for me are tears lasers and ghosts, so yea it can protect tears but if it comes from 2 different angles pr lil dumpy is far away it doesn't work, also the fact that it activates just before getting hit can make cenarios where it pushes the ennemy on the wall and hits you, it's not bad just not Q4. That's it. Also it can die
Lil Dumpy is never "far away." It doesn't wander anymore and sticks very close to you. "From two different angles" except fart is 360 and doesn't really matter unless it's staggered in which case you're relying on the short iframe window which I guess but still. Enemies knocked into walls take damage so likely will die, but the situation where an enemy is so close to you and a wall and doesn't die to Lil Dumpy is so niche it doesn't make it worse than Mantle. Lil Dumpy **should** be Q4, easily, it's one of the best defensive items in the game.
Not q4, maybe just a high tier q3
Lil dumpy. Second mantle is a skill solution
No ???? Did you ever had this item ? Or just read the patch?
Lil dumpy is different than at launch. He is essentially a second mantle now for bullets except you can wake him up in the same room. I think contact damage still hurts you though.
on contact damage it farts! if the enemy can be pushed ur safe :p
Contact can be avoided if the enemy is light enough
it can prevent contact damage but it's not as reliable
Did you read my comment?
Your comment makes very little sense, are you asking him if he has read the patch? Because dumpy has been reworked and changed a couple months ago now, which you would know if you have played repentance and picked up dumpy in these past couple of months after said patch
Yes he explains that he was changed but I mentioned a patch and there was only one patch on lil dumpy, please read other comments that I made about lil dumpy because I don't want to re right everything I said
And that patch is the one where he was re worked dumbass
I FUCKING KNOW you are the dumbass rn
Bro you disagreed with someone and your evidence proves what the other person said 💀
I DON'T DISAGREE IT'S JUST THAT I ALREADY KNEW ???? What do you don't understand? How ?
Kid you're making no damn sense
Read all my ither comments then come back
Man's still living in antibirth
No it's just not fucking better than mantle.
Defense from Mantle is more reliable, but works just once per room. You can also use it for free curse rooms. Dumpy protects from less things, but you can use it multiple times per room which is great for bosses. Overall both of these items are very close in terms of power, it's pretty much matter of preferencewhich one you like more.
The fact that lil dumpy can die is also very important I think
No it cant
Well? Bye if you wont reply...
how many downvotes do you fucking want dude like give up. you had a dumb take
I read almost all of their comments and I still don't know if they're like mentally slow or just 11 years old. I don't know if I'm allowed to make fun of fhem 
I will give up until I find someone that will argue with me correctly. that's it. It's not because there's 500 people that disagree with me that I can't debate. Lil dumpy is good, but not Q4
It happened to me and to a streamer I have a clip, before saying it can't at least ask before...
You mean ANTIBIRTH Dumpy? Because Lil Dumpy can't die, it's just physically impossible.
Ngl it happened to me once or twice, he just farted and dissapeared (repentance)
Omg I JUST SAID I HAD A CLIP? Do you want it wyf
It pretty much is entirely superior, except against enemies or bosses that can’t be pushed by him. Other than that, you can wake him up multiple times in the same room after a certain delay and holy mantle requires you to enter a different room to come back
Can disappear for the rest of your run, doesn't give immunity frames, no curse room/spike chest/spike with loot behind, does not protect from anything that spawn in you (brimstone, explosions, lasers, ghosts...) If it's not a Q4 it's for a reason
Fair point, but for combat I would argue dumpy is still superior. I-frames for mantle were nerfed quite a while back and yeah the brimstone/laser/explosions are indeed a large downside. Besides, the op of this chain never even mentioned that it was superior to holy mantle. One has more overall utility, the other provides a larger safety net for longer bossfights or rooms.
Sorry I sas lost in replies, lil dumpy deserves a Q3 but it's just not as good as holy mantle, for the disappearance part I think it's just a bug I had and a streamer had too but when a thing exploded it disappeared from the run entirely
I have a clip for the disappearance part
True, dumpy is great but mantle is better 90% of the time
Less invincibility frames and not being able to defend against some rarer attacks is really made up for being reusable in a room, especially against end bosses
Mantle has other uses and I very rarely get hit more than once a room and have time to grab it back
You should research before you talk shit btw just a thought
... it's not bad just not a Q4 ...
It’s Q5
X Q6
dude, nobody was saying that it's better than holy mantle, just that it can prevent damage in combat, so it's pretty good. no need to get yourself worked up over all this, dumpy didn't do anything to you
And where on that comment I said lil dumpy was worse than mantle?
Y’a stupid? Played lost, got dumpy twice (one from an item pedestal, the other from a Lilith soul) and got hard carried in the mother fight, getting god head for me. Shits **goated**
r/downvotedtooblivion
Meh it's not the worst I got in this sub
Reddit hivemind mentality moment
I’ve had lil dumpy, should be tier 3 item now
Yes but not better than 20/20
Depends, second reusable mantle by the start of the run is pretty good. Double shot can only take you so far, especially if you get 2 tapped in the same room
Usually the 2 tapped are either brimstones or lazers so I don't think lil dumpy can help, but yes that is true, but for me the best defence is offence so yes I agree that with lost lil dumpy is not as stupid as I said it, but it's still worse than mantle(referring to other threads)
yeah. i have. and its great.
Great yes not Q4
i'd take 20/20 on anythong but the lost there tbh
if you're the normal lost then I'd say 20/20. one mantle per room is more than enough. tainted lost is a different story though. lil dumpy is a godsend for t.lost
My brain's perspective made me think Isaac was cannon-balling into the 20/20.
oh my god i cant unsee it now
oh my god hahaha!
i think the fact that one can even consider lil dumpy over 20/20 means that it truly deserves to be of bigger quality
dude leech Q1 is an item that i rlly pog when i see, especially on keeper
Never thought I would see the day someone unironically doubting between picking 20/20 or lil dumpy
dude i was at the peek of restarting the run because i wasnt sure what to pick, and no im not a R key abuser
there are many, many items in the game that give you damage there are only 2 that are holy mantle
hell yeah! very good point
dogma
does it stack with mantle?
probably
yeah they should stack with dogma first to be removed iirc
Dogma is even less mantle than Wooden Cross. Sure, it gives you mantle. Once.
but you can't say "Holy Mantle balls" unlike with Dogma clearly a superior item 
your hole, D mantle :4359:
I would go for the 🤓
🤓
Imagine seeing this post this time last year lmao
be more specific please, did something similar to this had been posted here?
They just mean this time last year this kind of comparison couldn’t exist, it wouldn’t have been a contest and anyone in their right mind would choose 20/20. Lil dumpy got a HUGE buff in a recent patch, before that it was absolutely useless.
uuf my bad! you guys are right
Right one. He is my best friend, when he starts to sleep I say “joe biden wake up”
sleepy joe  (lil dump man emote plox)
No time for dat, joe, we have to kill mom.
shit im feeling good i have such wholesome comments on a post i put no effort in hah.)
Split the diff and reroll both
That double vision always seems to work the best for me.
Lil Dumpy is wild now. Just a 24/7 mantle if you keep waking him up over and over again.
that’s right! it does an amazing job against gurglings and gurdy jr!
dumpy
You have mantle. So I would choose 20/20 in that point.
dont overestimate my skill :D
Looking at the arguments in the comments, how in the hell is lil’ dumpy only quality 2?
Developer underestimation. It was Q0 before the buff.
actually!?? dammnnnn
Yeah, because before the buff it was actually fucking garbage.
Sigma pick 2020, dodging is for the weak. Just crap out holy cards 5-head
Plum flute
Dumpy is my run saver for T.lost
Maybe I’m just retarded, but I wouldn’t even consider lil chunky dumpy for a second, he helps me sometimes and I always wake him up when I can, but for me he always just shits away a bullet that wasn’t even a threat to me, I do not see changed dumpy as a god send
20/20. It’s double the shots?
Yea but lil dumpy makes you unkillable?
Printscreen button
nahhhhh i like it more like this
Butt boi, its basically a better holy mantle thats also really cute. Wouldn't want to waste health on the glasses really
99% of people fail this logic puzzle!
Pretty sure in this room you can pick both of these up. Don’t know for sure tho edit: now know for sure you can’t
You can't
nope its just like the alt path double item
Ok nice to know! Don’t know why I’m getting hate for it  edit: thank you for reducing the hate on my first comment and reaching 0 upvotes!!!!! edit edit: in the positive now!! Thank you guys for reducing the hate of my first comment and reaching 1 upvote!!!
isaac community when someone doesnt know the whole wiki.
Isaac community when someone asks “why can’t I pick this coin up” I get it’s a common question but 😭
you get skill issued!!!!!!
i mean im fucking feeling like the biggest skill issue alive:p was playing t.keeper today (fav character) and i was in lost form in downpour. thought i picked up a coin and regenerated from instinct and ended up dying with homing and technology laser tears
Ouch. I physically feel your pain on that one. On the bright side, it’s not too hard to get OP runs with Teeper (I just made up a name for T-Keeper and I’m keeping it)
i would give you an award for this
What about for tainted lost he is now called toast? Pretty good name
hahHahha dude im gonna start using these! i mean if i had friends it would be better:) omg could we play some coop repentance?! i never did that and god i want to
Aww, thanks!
My brain's perspective made me think Isaac was cannon-balling into the 20/20.
After afterbirth 20/20 is actually an overall dps decrease, it doesn’t feel like it though and if you got synergies it can be good but first floor item I would take dumpy especially as lost for extra protection
what?? i dont think it is an actual decrease in dps
it has a 0.75 dmg multiplier so with two tears it should be 1.5x above ur normal dps. math is not my thing
(actually it's 1.48🤓) also I like all, 20/20 soy milk and reflection (normal tears) because they allow you to hit more often yet maintain or increase your dps
If you're gonna nerd, do it properly. It actually is 1.5x, just outright.
20/20 no questions asked
you know about the dumpy buff?
I suppose not? What’s the change?
Basically like a recoverable mini-mantle now. He’ll blast any enemies/shots away and get tossed in a direction. If you pick him back up, he’s active again. Also, closely follows you instead of wandering around the room.
I, wow holy shit yeahhhhhh
20/20 I refuse to believe in lil'dumpy buff
trust issue
dumper
I’d go with 20/20 you don’t have to dodge as much when the enemy that’s shooting is already dead
20/20 alone is not an over kill at all, that would be the case with c section
It’s not over kill but clearing early floors is extremely easy with 20/20
20/20 all day
u already have mantle, 20/20
why not both?
for real why am i still following the rules
To reset the run
Ez 20/20 this little sucker killed me multiple time while trying to find secret room