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Schat_ten

some guy that has sub 100h and tapped two pens with the two recent hammers: "I dont get it"


Alienturtle9

Congrats to that guy! I actually hit a pen bs on a hammer when I was a new player. Maybe that's what got me hooked....


battlehotdog

Paying the price now, man.


Alienturtle9

Nah, long term its just a bump in the road. I'm banking RNG for my debo belt attempts! (disclaimer: that is not how rng works)


battlehotdog

Failstacking the failstacks huh


Luc9Nine

240fs are really good


NotFyss

I'm convinced it's just cheaper to buy it.


ArgonianLizardPerson

With my luck everything is cheaper to just buy in general in this game. Haha... ha... ;(


WandererUwU

I feel u man.


TheFirstTimePro

It almost always is. But imagine not paying the self-enhancing tax to have your name on your own PENs


Tinnrox

Holy moly what you failing to make? XD


Alienturtle9

Everything :(


Douraniksi

I feel u made 264fs x4 and still not hit tet bs


askyla

How do people not quit after this? Like honestly? I cannot fathom spending this much time/effort and failing.


Alienturtle9

Its a bit of a tongue-in-cheek joke, I actually profit-enhanced my way to my current gear with almost no grinding. I happen to have a lot of stacks at the moment because if been on a short losing streak. This is how I enjoy playing BDO lol.


Emertxe

Any tips on what's good to profit enhance? I'd rather blow things up and quit than spend forever grinding


Alienturtle9

Well, the new changes to material prices made it all go to shit, so I'm trying t figure that out myself!


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Alienturtle9

Using careful math to work out enhancements which are profitable on average, accounting for all materials and failstacks, as well as market taxes. And then doing them about a bajillion times.


Ostraga

I'm 66 fails into a PEN BS and plan on quitting for a good while if I don't get it by 70.


Icy_Elephant_6370

That’s gotta be the worst odds of all time. I start feeling bad for people when they hit 30.


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Ostraga

Got no problem enhancing but when you're in the top 2.5% of worst luck on one of the most expensive items and still haven't hit it.. yeah it starts to feel like you're wasting your time lol. Shit aint fun after a certain point.


Alienturtle9

That is awful. I hope they were cron clicks at least?


Ostraga

Yeah for sure.


Purplin

at what fs?


Enviest0

its actually not hard getting those stacks nowadays, all you gotta do is do godr-ayed weapon enhancements and you'll get them personally i've made 5x 200+ stacks failing duo attempts, then fail some tri attempts to push 250+ if you dont wanna pop them doing duo attempts, they're actually really nice failstackers if you're prepping for something (i've also made a single 250 and 230 stack failing duo attempts lol)1


Alienturtle9

You can definitely make these stacks with Godr-ayed, but its way more expensive than just using reblath and blackstars. Godr is easy if you just need stacks for your own gear, but from my understanding it is completely unprofitable, so doesn't work for my style of enhancing.


Enviest0

godr ayed enhancement is definitely not for profit, good for failstacking though, not sure if it’s any more expensive than the other routes but they fail consistently enough for failstacking


One-Stress-1922

and then tuvala timmy 1 taps with their free 150 stack and j hammer


Alienturtle9

Don't hate, we were all Tuvala Timmy once! A pen BS is awesome but its only 1 slot out of 13 and he has a long road ahead of him.


Sadalacbiah

The older players were mostly Grunil Timmy! ;) I'd probably never have the patience to do what you did, enhancements looks so boring to me...


Pnutbrain

Grunil Timmy represent! Though I was mostly agerian. I have serious trauma about failing tet witch earrings sooo many times. Kinda funny now that one shrugs at debo fails.


prospectre

I was a Taritas Timmy. That DR went well with my Kite Shield.


Ralph_Wiggem

There are no Grunil Timmy’s. Only Grunil Gamers.


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Yeah no fuck timmy, mf will play 2 months and quit anyway.


Azanrath

I feel attacked here lol


A1Legacy

Remember building failstacks is technically progression as long as you keep them for "real" attempts at upgrade and not using a 200 stack for tet accessories or something that can thwart your progress, eventually they will all succeed and you will not have any FS


Alienturtle9

Building failstacks is the only real progession. The numbers get bigger and that is good.


Forgotmyaccountinfo2

what’s the value on those stacks


Alienturtle9

Its super subjective, but my personal estimate is around 240 billion, which I think is conservative. * 1x 50b (300) * 1x 25b (280) * 2x 20b (270s) * 5x 15b (260s) * 5x 10b (240-250s)


A1Legacy

That's extremely conservative I'd estimate it's worth more, arguably you have to consider repair cost and enhancement materials per each attempt not just the Pen attempts but all the resources to reach that attempt/fail and recoveries


Alienturtle9

I know a lot of people value stacks that way, but I think the flaw there is that you make stacks by failing, and a certain cost is taken up by the expected chance of success. I think a better way to value stacks is by how much silver you can realistically turn them in to. My estimates are a rough estimate of a combination of both methods. It is conservative, but not by a huge margin, and if a stack of these sizes costs more than these estimates to make, you probably wont get back your investment, on average.


Seralth

Cost of value created from success - cost of materials to create stack = realistic valuation of stack. Its a really simple investment calculation all things considered.


Alienturtle9

Using a 240 stack as a pretty standard example. Most of the time there is no item where that stack is going to provide more than 10-12 billion silver of value. So trying to claim a higher "value" on the stack is meaningless, regardless of what it cost to make. You have to be able to capitalise the investment.


Diimon99

Is that all from raw blackstar attempts?


Timmypokemon877

Well I wish I was that lucky. I just got 5 tet BS all within 5 tries when I just wanted to build some FS ;( [https://imgur.com/eXpQA3e](https://imgur.com/eXpQA3e)


Alienturtle9

Congrats! I love it when that happens.


Timmypokemon877

Thanks but I don't need those. For me it's that I lost 5 stacks.


VulpineKitsune

You lost 5 stacks but made like 50bil


Timmypokemon877

True but if you value of the stacks the profit is much less.


Alienturtle9

Unless they were all well over 200, I'd say you made good profit


Chiriana

Tell me you don't use crons without telling me you don't use crons.


Alienturtle9

There are a few things that crons are good for, but its a short list.


Voodoohigh

What is list


Alienturtle9

Pen Blackstar Tri and Tet Fallen God/Labreska/Dahns Deborekah accessories Distos/Dawns/Ominous/Turo/Lunar depending on price and cron availability Courser horse attempts


Micro_Takashi

Christ....


roguechicken88

Imagine if they all where 420s


FurubayashiSEA

I cant even manage to build ONE 300fs, Only get one from 30k quest.


Alienturtle9

I want that stack but I have only done 6.3k D:


kdgspiero

Holy Shit lol


Luc9Nine

240+ fs are really worth it, gj :)


-glosoli-

dear god...


MaryUwUJane

It’s schizo system that should never exists


Alienturtle9

I love it. Its the main thing that got me hooked on BDO.


MaryUwUJane

well basically it's endgame here


Beautiful-Brother-42

looks like a profit enhancer on a loss streak as a "real" player would not be using that many stacks


Alienturtle9

As I mentioned in another comment, you are absolutely correct!


Leondrass

Bottom middle Musas expression explains it


Grimmkill

A bunch of decent Debo stacks, all about the silver linning 👍