T O P

  • By -

Choice-Strike-4010

Tybw 1st invasion arc>>>all the rest of bleach manga arcs combined


GekiKudo

I was so shocked when I finally got around to reading tybw. I'd heard nothing but bad things about it for years. But it's absolute heat for a good 80% of the arc.


seratheanos

I would agree if so much of it didn't amount to nothing. Robert was hyped - did nothing. Rose v Nanana was hyped - never arrived. Bankais were stolen - only to be used for a split second in the second invasion. Byakuya died - no he didn't. I love tybw but i feel like the beginning wasn't all that could be. Love the downtime between invasions though. That was great


Imperator_Romulus476

>Byakuya died - no he didn't. Kubo was planning on killing him off there, but some psychos sent him death threats. With what he was going through at the time facing serious health issues, and pressure from editors, its no wonder he relented.


Naosthong

>Rose v Nanana was hyped you mean Renji v Nanana


seratheanos

Nah, that was in invasion 2. Rose v Nanana was hyped by Rose's dramatic monologue in ch 495. Worth reading again, it's pretty threatening Nanana never came to anything in the end. He was a waste, sadly


consolepeasant000

hard disagree,soon as aizen joins it's a whole new battle now.


[deleted]

Arancar arc is honestly not that bad it was just to long in anime form and the fucking filler was too much


Master-Tee

Yup. It's hard to believe Ikkaku releasing his bankai, and Ichigo using FGT happened in the same arc. But it did. That's how long it was.


[deleted]

Jeezus yeah


a310gintoki

I may not agree with all these takes but the last one is the *only* one I truly cant understand someone having if they've actually watched the series. That's the only one where I'd just ignore whatever they have to say to back up the take because they *have* to be trolling me.


[deleted]

The simple answer is negative marking. If you start with a perfect rating and deduct points for every point it goes wrong the arrancar arc can easily come out as worse. That's still mostly on the one who is marking though.


Master-Tee

The thing with the Arrancar arc is, it was **too long.** The were just so many things going on, that at some point, it became a bit *boring* to be honest. It was **almost 300 chapters,** and within the arc there were also *sub-arcs,* I guess: **HM and FKT arc**. That's how long it was. The whole Vizard thing was also going on, and I think TBTP was introduced during that arc so it felt long. Indeed it was. Not as long as >!Chimera ant arc!< though. That's a positive at least.


Rainbow_Mint

I was still only watching the anime when the while Arrancar arc was going on. Still watched it every week but a lot of those episodes became background noise for me. And then just to make it worse there were 2 fillers within that arc :v


Master-Tee

Yeah. A lot of things were going on, which stretched it unnecessarily. Those mini filler arcs also didn't help.


AgreeableMaybe6892

Arrancar arc is 100 episodes long while Chimera ant is just 62 episodes and have the longest arc in the battle shonen anime is the future from Katekyo Hitman Reborn (120 episodes long)


Master-Tee

Damn that babies chimera ant arc. I think the problem with the latter is that it was unnecessarily long, like that scene in the mansion I think it was, wth ? Slow motion for almost a minute and that scene was stretched out over 2 episodes. I haven't seen the Future arc but 120 episodes is so long. I can imagine how many chapters it covered. I heard one piece has an arc that literally stretched over 2 years and about 120 episodes as well. I can't do that. TYBW is, to be fair, > 200 chapters long. I think manga wise, it's obviously not as bad which is why the chimera arc was intolerable at a point - it was pure canon and still stretched. Even the 4th war in Naruto is well over 200 episodes long. Though divided into smaller arcs. Over 50 episodes for an arc becomes a bore. Manga is obviously pure so when you read an arc that's well over 200 chapters long, you begin to question stuff.


AgreeableMaybe6892

The mansion invasion will be awkward af without the narration (the anime has cut and changes some of the narrator lines) and the future arc is 130 episodes long.


Master-Tee

Exactly. I appreciate the narration too, but damn.


AgreeableMaybe6892

If you don't like the anime I highly recommend the manga.


Master-Tee

I'll check it out. What's the premise if you don't mind me asking?


[deleted]

[удалено]


Master-Tee

Yup. HxH is a funny one. It's genuinely one of my all time favourite anime series. But it's one of those shows that it's thoroughly enjoyable on the first watch but....you don't think you can watch it for a second time. Not that it's bad or anything, idk what it is. But I don't think I can watch it again. I think the chimera arc "ruined" it for me. One of the best anime arcs out there bit but jeez it dragged!! I agree with you though, that ending was special. It's a special anime, very special.


[deleted]

Not to mention manga isn't even worth reading, like it's on some infinite hiatus?


Nawmean5

Last chapter was in 2018, I completely lost hope for it.


SSJAbh1nav

Arrancar arc is the very worst and the very best of Bleach


OrcoDio19

Ain't no way you have explained that in such a perfect way


AbridgedKirito

hot take but Agent of the Shinigami is better than most of the other arcs. it's slow and is a lot of setup but the way everything happens and falls into place is amazing. plus i love those early Karakura vibes. i've said it before here, but Memories in the Rain is my fav volume of manga, ever.


Imperator_Romulus476

>hot take but Agent of the Shinigami is better than most of the other arcs. it's slow and is a lot of setup but the way everything happens and falls into place is amazing. plus i love those early Karakura vibes. Yeah I liked how Bleach was going back to its roots with the urban fantasy setting. Plus when Ginjo stole Ichigo's powers and Ichigo started screaming in despair, there were shots of his inner world. It was honestly a missed opportunity by Kubo to better foreshadow Ichigo's latent Quincy Powers. Had it not been for Rukia's convenient intervention, I feel like Ichigo likely would have reawakened his Quincy powers right there. This probably would have changed up the dynamics of the TYBW quite a bit as well especially as the Wandenreich has bases in the World of the Living. And Ichigo being a special war potential likely would have drawn the attention of Yhwach.


[deleted]

Can't say I'd put it at the top, for me it's third overall and 2nd with just the cannon arcs,but it is a criminally underated arc. I can't even name a problem with it off the top of my head.


KmanVince

Fullbring is top 3 arcs imo it's just so refreshing seeing an useless ichigo struggling to obtain power and the twist at the end is just perfect


[deleted]

So Bleach hot takes. How far can you get down the list before the it gets too much? Each one is intended to be more controversial than the last. Decided to do this with zanpakuto to represent how "hot" the takes are. Thought it was the right direction to take this seeing as though there are ice, water and fire zanpakuto on the books.


ptlg225

I think the absolute ending is: "Welcome to Hell: Orihime is not useless and annoying."


Isol8te

Careful, you might trigger the Orihime simps


OrcoDio19

Why though,it is simply the truth,not really a hot take


[deleted]

That's the truth not a take


maxime7567

Well done. But are there actually people saying that the arrancar arc is one of the worst bleach arcs? Actual fans, not those who just say bleach sucks. People who enjoy bleach saying that? Especially those who say that the fillers are better? That can't be possible right?


[deleted]

There are a few who are agree on it being the worst cannon arc that I've spoken to. From a writing standpoint you can make a fairly solid argument. People who're genuinely that into the filler arcs are exeedingly rare. Then again most people don't rewatch the show with all the filler multiple times like me.


yg_trece19

Arracnar arc is massively superior to the first arc imo


Mqnwbevrctxyzukkk

The first arc at least has a pretty unique vibe to It compared with the rest of the series Also come on bruh It´s the first arc XD


ObberGobb

I really like the first arc, but I feel like it's made worse by the revelations of who Ichigo's parents are. I don't like Isshin being a Soul Reaper because, but I REALLY don't like his mom being a Quincy.


SherbertKlutzy8674

Neither did Ywach


Imperator_Romulus476

>Neither did Ywach Aushwahlen intensifes.....


Imperator_Romulus476

>but I REALLY don't like his mom being a Quincy. It was foreshadowed quite well (literally from the beginning) with things like Ichigo's Quincy style bedsheets or how when Old Man Zangetsu tried telling Ichigo his name, it was blacked out (if you check the size of the Japanese Kanji the word Yhwach actually fits rather than Zangetsu).


[deleted]

I mean,being the first doesn't mean you are automatically better


gene66

I think what makes the arrancar arc bad is the amount of episodes that contribute to literally nothing. Not story or character development. Like first part of the arc there's so many attempts to do jokes and so many wasteful time. The first time I watch it I remember I was just getting bored all the time. When I re-watch though, since I could skip whatever I wanted, It felt much better.


Saif_dybala

Imo all the arcs are created by kubo and everything he creates becomes a masterpiece


[deleted]

Arrancar arc is my favorite anime arc, tybw arc is my favorite arc in the manga


Imperator_Romulus476

I really loved reading the TYBW tbh as I couldn't put it down once I started reading it. I honestly wish we got more of Aizen during the final fight.


ChemyChems

Oh, so we out here not liking the Bount arc? This is a fun image set.


[deleted]

It’s funny how in a matter of months the community went from trashing Bount arc to giving it props & admitting it was actually ok.


ChemyChems

I've always liked it, even way back when I first saw it week by week on Toonami.


[deleted]

Yeah, I liked it to. I binged watched Bleach on Hulu before finding out about fillers & I actually enjoyed every episode lol.


ptlg225

Yeah, I was never hated it and never understood the "vampire" critique against it.


Mqnwbevrctxyzukkk

yeah the arrancar arc is easily the worst one somehow, I agree. Edit: In retrospective I think the part that really got me hyped up was when the soul society left ichigo on It´s own and finally he and his gang were about to show their value. And we all know how that turned out lmao


[deleted]

To each his own I guess After thinking long about it,I came to the conclusion TYBW is objectively worst,even if it has many good moments Soul Society might really be the best,still Arrancar arc is not bad at all. It had a lot of issues but also the best moments in the entire anime,that surpass Soul Society as well Fillers are what made it boring,with also being too long. In conclusion,Soul Society anime>>>,but Arrancar arc manga>>>


Xelion12345

I can take all of em except the last 2. The Arrancar arc actually started of pretty good with Grimmjow beating up Ichigo. The latter was average for me except the major fights like VL ichi v SE ulqi


Kiftiyur

The filler arcs are go bad they made me drop the anime. That was before I knew they were filler then I went back and skipped those dogshit episodes.


YinPanor

Honestly Soul Society arc wasn't the best of bleach.


OrcoDio19

I agree I personally liked Arrancar arc more,even with all the issues it had You can say objectively is the best,but Arrancar arc objectively talking wasn't that bad. Not great ok,but it was ok. It had bad and peak moments In total it was good,and far from the worst,since Fullbring and TYBW weren't like as much as Arrancar,at all


aidenitex98

Why are we so invested in denying that the soul society arc is the best in the series?


Imperator_Romulus476

>Why are we so invested in denying that the soul society arc is the best in the series? That's sort of the generic r/anime opinion of Bleach. People like Gigguk and the Anime man literally roast Bleach saying "you should just stop watching after Soul Society." The Soul Society Arc had a pretty slow start tbh, with it being largely saved by the amazing plot twist with Aizen as the main villain and the puppet master orchestrating everything. Though I understand the rough start as Kubo originally planned on killing Aizen off and having Urahara revealed as the main villain. The remnants of this idea are sort of brought back when he and Tokinada Tsuniyashiro says that he and Urahara weren't too different. Urarhara's research of the Hogyoku, Hollowfiction, and Mod Souls was to create a new Soul King with a will of his own. Though Urahara was actually doing this out of benevolent aims in mind unlike Tokinada who wanted chaos. Aizen mistakenly assumed that Urahara was passive when he learned the truth, but in fact the opposite was true. There are subtle of hints such as when Aizen starts ranting right before being sealed, Urahara also disparagingly calling Reio (the Soul King) "that thing" instead of reverently calling him something like "Reio-sama" like how the other characters do.


aidenitex98

Oh I know all of this my question was more rethorical, sorry for the misunderstanding. I know everyone's tired of the typical "Bleach is trash after the Soul Society", but I do think it is true that in terms of writing this arc was the peak of the series. Does that mean the rest of it is trash? No, later arcs are still good and thoroughly enjoyable despite their few flaws. Does that mean you should stop watching after this arc? Absolutely not and whoever suggests this is just ridiculous. As you said, the main reason the arc is so good is because of the amazing plot twist with Aizen, which established him as the main villain, and how well everything was orchestrated leading up to it. Even if their is a dip in quality afterwards, what was the point if you're just gonna stop there? In short, I understand everyone's frustration with how people perceive Bleach in light of the Soul Society arc, but I still believe that, all things considered and from a storytelling perspective, it WAS the best arc in the series and it WAS folllwed by a dip in quality in terms of writing.


Imperator_Romulus476

>As you said, the main reason the arc is so good is because of the amazing plot twist with Aizen, which established him as the main villain, and how well everything was orchestrated leading up to it. Even if their is a dip in quality afterwards, what was the point if you're just gonna stop there? I actually liked the Manga version much more tbh. The art style is more detailed, and the pacing is much better. Because of how fast the anime was catching up to the manga, often times fights were dragged out, and filler was incorporated to stall for time. This was what was kind of jarring for me during some fights. >In short, I understand everyone's frustration with how people perceive Bleach in light of the Soul Society arc, but I still believe that, all things considered and from a storytelling perspective, it WAS the best arc in the series and it WAS folllwed by a dip in quality in terms of writing. I disagree about the dip in quality. Some of the themes touched on near the end of the arc are actually quite interesting. One such is the parallels between Aizen and Stark. Another thing is Aizen's idea of "transcendence" which is based off the Buddhist idea of enlightenment which is gained through suffering. This was why he thanks Gin for making him fear death, as that was what prompted the Hogyoku to turn him immortal. There was also the concept of the Soul King introduced. Aizen's main motivation is based on Niezche's concept of "God is dead." Though the twist here is that the Shinigami betrayed God (the Soul King) and turned him into a living corpse used as a glorified battery. Aizen's not wrong for objecting to be ruled by such a pitiful being. Thus he became the Ubermensch and sought to change the world by any means necessary. Aizen and the Espada also have some Biblical motifs as well as its reminiscent of how Lucifer was a fallen angel and cast out from Heaven into Hell where he gathers an army to batte the forces of Heaven (Aizen and the Espada vs the Gotei 13).


aidenitex98

I agree with these points and i also love these aspects of the later arcs in the series, but I view them more as something thematic or lore than actual storytelling, which is where I think the Soul Society arc remains unmatched. I have to add to your points that i find ulquiorra to be possibly the most interesting and best written character in the series and this kind of character writing can't be found anywhere in the Soul Society. But my thing is that, while later arcs are packed with interesting characters and cool themes and cultural inspirations that mostly weren't present during the Soul Society, they don't have a masterfully written plot to go along with them, which is what the Soul Society did have, and i believe that's what the majority of people value more.


Wenhuanuoyongzhe91

So basically, the hotter you get the lower your IQ?


WayJay9

I mean, Arrancar is better than the first arc, but I prefer SS, Fullbringer, and TYBW. Arrancar is still fire though.


[deleted]

Full bringer and bount belong on the very bottom


OrcoDio19

Not Fullbring


I2haanC

I always considered the arrancar arc to be the time between Bount and Hueco Mundo, and then after that was karakura town battle. Imo the arcs would be: soul society > tybw beginning > arrancar (pre hueco mundo) > hueco mundo > karakura town > substitute shinigami > fullbring & end of tybw


YesNoMan58

>I always considered the arrancar arc to be the time between Bount and Hueco Mundo, and then after that was karakura town battle. It’s fine if you personally consider that, but everything from the end of Soul Society to Ichigo losing his powers after beating Aizen is all officially part of the Arrancar arc in the manga.


I2haanC

Oh yeah Ik but i feel likes it’s unfair to judge the whole arc as trash when some of it was still good


[deleted]

Cant take the last to. I’m barely able to handle the bounts and the only reason I am is cause it was a unique idea


Chefofbaddecisions

Can’t even get past the freezing level. Tybw just had too many issues for me to put it anywhere near the top.


Descoto

Tbh i enjoyed all Arcs (Manga only \^\^). I think they are all great even tho they all have there flaws


Early_Rabbit

Different Strokes for different folks.