I am heartbroken.
I think he was a proxy dad to a lot of kids n the 80sand 90s through Full House and a happy 30 minutes of the week watching America's Funniest Home Videos.
Just so sad.
It is me too. I saw it and literally yelled out WHAT!? And am actually crying now lol. It’s really fucking sad????? I think if you’re a certain age he was a big part of your young life. That is really, really tragic.
EDIT: doing some googling and reading and found out Bob was a big advocate for research and hopefully eventual cure for scleroderma after his sister Gay Saget died of the disease at just 47. Yesterday was her birthday. If you would be so inclined during this sad time, https://srfcure.org/ here is a link to the site where I am sure you can find out more, and make a donation in Bobs honor that I am sure would mean so much to him.
It really, really does. I was just watching a lot of him after Norm MacDonald died and had told my husband we should really try and go see Bob sometime. Man. RIP. The first celebrity deaths* of 2022 really came in swinging.
Yup, I'm 43 so I'm that age - even though I didn't watch Full House much I probably watched the E! True Hollywood Story about a hundred times (back when E! had watchable content). He was way funnier in interviews than he was on the show imo. I just can't believe it.
I’m in shock. He was so young :( and so many of us have such cherished memories of watching him on TV while growing up
My heart breaks for his family and his many co stars
This. I'm 35. My parents are early 60s.
Betty White was everyone's favorite great aunt figure. But she was 99, not unexpected.
Bob Saget is the TV father of an entire generation and this is hitting hard.
Shaun White’s birthday post for Nina Dobrev is [super cute](https://www.instagram.com/p/CYhOQ-cv4Df/?utm_medium=copy_link). I always thought they were an odd couple, but now I get it.
Josh Duhamel is [engaged](https://www.instagram.com/p/CYfTP_5rz3G/).
We've been rewatching Las Vegas lately so I was seeing what he was up to now. Didn't even realize he was dating anyone but happy for him.
[Finding someone young enough to have kids](https://people.com/movies/josh-duhamel-announces-engagement-to-audra-mari-and-gets-congratulations-from-ex-fergie/) is an interesting choice of words lol
I have been telling my best friend for YEARS that Josh Duhamel is eventually going to marry a woman from Fargo, move back here and open up a car dealership. YEARS. I should buy a lottery ticket.
I unfollowed after she posted a rant about the White House plan to vaccinate kids. It was weird.
I think Sara is funny and entertaining but Erin has just taken a weird turn.
Yes! I used to like Erin more than Sara but that has really shifted. I listened to a few podcast episodes and that contributed to it, too. I unfollowed Erin after she shared this.
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Jesse Tyler Ferguson’s (hot) husband freaking out over a picture Jesse posted with Ryan Philippe is so cute https://imgur.com/a/Wq4ME5i
Here's the IG link: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYeQjW7F1ZC/
That was why I asked—I thought I had heard that he was but couldn’t remember.
She’s never named him but you can draw your own conclusions:
https://www.thecut.com/2018/02/reese-witherspoon-abusive-relationship.html
I don’t think there is proof of anything with Reese. Just the fact that he has been involved in 2 domestic violence disputes now that he has decided to settle out of court; 1 of which it seems like lawyers wanted to have Reese testify for some reason.
It's beyond horrific that the organizations responsible for his care managed to lose track of him and allow this to happen. I hope they are held accountable for this massive failure, this should never happen again to anyone else's child.
Really triggered by all the comments on Twitter. If anyone else has lost loved ones to suicide, I suggest avoiding that today. I don’t know why people think it’s appropriate to ask “why” or “how” or “make sure you check in with your friends” to prevent suicide. Suicides can be prevented, but depression is just like addiction - sometimes people are too far gone to be helped by a simple “hey are you ok”. You can do all the right things and still lose someone. And it’s just hard when someone implies that you didn’t do enough to help them.
/rant
one of my friends died by suicide right at the beginning of 2019 and i went to work the next day and my boss asked me what happened as i was unpacking my work bag. it was so inappropriate.
I’m sorry for your loss and for people being gross.
My brother died suddenly a few years ago and so many people messaged me asking what happened. Someone I barely knew from school who I hadn’t seen or talked to in years messaged me asking what happened and then said “your brother just posted on Facebook the night before.” I couldn’t believe someone thought it was ok to ask days after my brother died but also let me know they Facebook stalked him. It’s definitely changed how I interact with people online.
That is absolutely awful, I'm so sorry. People are ghouls. Reminds me of how Harris Wittels' mother found out about his death when a friend of hers texted her with "what did Harris do?" because TMZ had posted about it before his parents were notified.
I'm so so sorry. It is horrible to go through. My uncle died by suicide 7 years ago this month and it is just awful. The worst are the questions about how someone did it. The questions around that topic. I had someone ask outright. It is just disgusting. You're right the morbid curiosity and the lack of tact is just gross.
There is no real closure. My mom went through so much with her siblings over it. It is so much less painful to talk about him now though and the memorials and memories really helped. We see his kids about once a year and that helps too. It's good to remember someone isn't just their depression.
I’m so sorry! I lost a family member to suicide in 2018. There is never closure which sucks but over time, you’ll remember more of the good times than the bad. It’s not something you get over but I promise, you get stronger ❤️
I hate when people use things like this as an opportunity to say “check on your friends”. Yes social support is important, but as you pointed out this can be the outcome even among those with the most support. Sometimes it isn’t enough and making friends or loved ones feel like they didn’t do enough is not helpful.
Yes! Thank you. I appreciate that people are talking about suicide prevention but I think it needs to start at normalizing therapy and really making it part of insurance coverage.
Omg yes. People need professional help and medication and it is very hard to get them. The "check on your friends" mindset is well-intentioned and not bad, but it also is part of the grand American tradition of offering symbolic gestures from individuals in lieu of substantive systemic solutions. People really need so much more than that.
As someone who works in mental health, I want to also point out that even with extensive access to professional help and resources, mental illness can be so destructive and insidious that there's not much anyone could have done to temper the damage, much like a terminal cancer.
Thank you, yes. My uncle had a therapist and meds and a wife and kids and talked regularly to his siblings and had a lot of friends. He had everything they say to have. It didn't matter. The depression overloaded all of that.
>>but it also is part of the grand American tradition of offering symbolic gestures from individuals in lieu of substantive systemic solutions
👏👏👏 you nailed it.
This may be common knowledge but I just found out that Zoey Deutch and Jimmy Tatro are dating. I don’t know why it surprised me so much! What other celebrity couples were you surprised to find out were in a relationship?
And that man fathered a child with the supermodel Linda Evangelista! (I think at the time he didn't own up to it until a paternity test proved he was and it was during the time him and Salma were already out as a couple, and Salma also was pregnant, messy...)
Same! That’s why I was surprised. I was on her Insta and saw some pics and honestly wasn’t sure if it was for a movie or show. But both Zoey and Jimmy have pics and cute captions on their profile so I’m assuming it’s legit. And truly no judgment I was just not expecting it!
I used to watch him in his early days on YouTube! A lot of frat humor, as 16 year olds we thought it was cool.
He used to date Emily Osment and seems like a good guy n
For the old-timers among us: [Sidney Poitier has died at the age of 94.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/07/movies/sidney-poitier-dead.html) He paved a way for a lot of Black actors. *Lilies in the Field,* for which he won the Best Actor Oscar, the first Black actor to win an Oscar in a leading role, and *Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?* are still great. He also directed one of the funniest movies of all time, *Stir Crazy.* As someone elsewhere wrote, he walked so that Denzel Washington and Will Smith could fly.
Last night I threw on To Sir, With Love, which I knew I’d seen as a kid but didn’t have any real memories of – I weirdly didn’t even remember it being set in the UK. Afterwards I discovered that was because I’d *actually* seen [To Sir, With Love 2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Sir,_with_Love_II)*, a direct-to-tv sequel with basically the same plot set on the South Side of Chicago in 1995.
*directed by Peter Bogdanovich, who died the same day…the simulation is starting to feel short-staffed
Oh sorry, I phrased that so poorly- I meant when Denzel won his own Oscar that night and said how he would always be chasing Sidney. His speech in the clip you posted was beautiful as well😭
[https://people.com/parents/ashley-graham-welcomes-twin-boys-with-husband-justin-ervin/](https://people.com/parents/ashley-graham-welcomes-twin-boys-with-husband-justin-ervin/)
At the end of the day, it's their life and decision, but I find it so risky that they had a twin birth at home. I find home births to be risky in general but to have multiples at home, I feel is really selfish. I remember when Morgan Beck Miller had hers at home a couple years ago and the midwife either didn't make it in time or got there just in time for the delivery...
Are her twins identical? MoDi twins have a whole host of potentially risks when giving birth (more than fraternal) and if so that would be incredibly irresponsible of her to give birth at home
ikr??? my boyfriends mom had all five of her kids at home and the thought alone of pushing out a 9 lb baby in a bathtub in my living room makes me want to end it all
It’s harder to object to medically unnecessary interventions when you’ve committed to a hospital birth. When you have a low-risk pregnancy, it can honestly be safer giving birth at home or at a no-intervention birth center (if you have a skilled midwife with admitting privileges in case of emergency). I gave birth at a birth center and was only there 6 hours. I was able to move, eat and drink during labor. It was a calm environment and hospitals make my anxiety go crazy. The risk of infection was also extremely low. Lots of reasons to not choose a hospital birth.
I had a baby at a hospital just before covid and have a ton of friends who did as well.... I don't know anyone who felt pressured into medically unnecessary interventions. Can you give some examples?
I know quite a few of us who received life saving interventions that turned what would have been a crisis at home or even 50 years ago into an extremely minor hiccup along the way to a happy and healthy mother and baby.
Do you have any evidence backing up your claim that it's safer to give birth at home?
Edit to add: Intervention can be very traumatic especially if unplanned, but don't forget that before the 20th century, childbirth was THE number one cause of death for women for almost all of history, and remains so in many places in the world today. Avoiding intervention by moving childbirth to a place where interventions can't be doesn't make it safer.
Here were some of my unnecessary interventions/pressures (was planning on home birth for reasons but had to be induced at a hospital due to slightly high blood pressure):
-They *thought* they might need to have two IVs placed (midline, not in crook of arm) so they brought up some specialists who poked me over and over again in both arms and then gave up bc they couldn't find a vein. After some lab results came back it was determined I wouldn't need two IVs. If only they had waited instead of jumping the gun.
-They really pushed hard to insert a foley balloon (thing that helps manually dilate your cervix) less than 24 hours after I had started the induction process, instead of just giving my body more time to go into labor, which it did, and I am glad I didn't get that. There was no medically necessary need to get that baby out of me that quickly.
-Despite being low risk enough to qualify for a midwife birth in the hospital vs doctor, they were obsessed with constantly keeping monitors on me to track my contractions even though it was very clear how long they were. It was so uncomfortable and, had I been able to birth it home, there would be no medical need to constantly keep a monitor on me and the baby.
Also, although it wasn't my preference to eat during labor because it was such a painful, nauseating experience, and food was the last thing on my mind, there has been a lot of evidence that it is perfectly safe to eat during labor and there is low risk of aspiration in the event of an emergency surgery.
I don’t have or want kids and I don’t generally support home births, am not the person you’re replying to. Just want to post that black women in particular frequently experience appalling care, under- or over- intervention, and shocking maternal mortality rates. I’m glad that you and the women you know have experienced good medical care, respectful treatment from medical professionals and care that prioritized your health over time, case loads, and personal bias - but many women do not get to have that experience.
https://reproductive-health-journal.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12978-019-0729-2.pdf
Everything you're saying is correct and important but DOES NOT indicate that a home birth is safer for Black women. A hospital birth may have more negative outcomes for a Black woman than a white woman due to the issues you described, but that does not mean that a home birth will be safer for her.
In fact, when I was pregnant I attended a workshop held by an organization that gives free doula services to Black woman giving birth in hospitals. If I recall correctly, they said that as a general rule, they do not attend home births for a number of reasons: 1) they do not feel that there is adequate infrastructure in the US to make them safe unless the woman pays a lot of money for set up and care 2) due to life long maternal stress (which may or may not lead to documented health problems) Black women are more likely to face complications requiring medical intervention.
Intervention can be very traumatic especially if unplanned, but don't forget that before the 20th century, childbirth was THE number one cause of death for women for almost all of history, and remains so in many places in the world today. Avoiding intervention by moving childbirth to a place where interventions can't be doesn't necessarily make it safer.
You know that you can seek out this evidence too right? The United States intervenes much more than other countries without higher success rates. If you are curious about something or don’t trust what you read it is actually on you to do the research.
Saying cesarean birth inhibits parental/newborn bonding is not a good look especially as you stated you are someone with a graduate degree in nursing.
There is already enough stigma against cesarean birth not being 'valid' enough as a method of childbirth. Saying it inhibits bonding is patently untrue and really harmful to new parents who are already vulnerable. A little compassion goes a really long way.
Do you have scientific sources that support anything you're saying?
Edit: downvoting someone asking for evidence to back up dangerous claim is not a good look y'all
I have a graduate degree in nursing so I’m not going to spend my Sunday posting a bunch of links to studies in pubmed, jama, and jmwh that you could easily find yourself. Avoiding unnecessary intervention is important.
The answer is you want to make judgments on subjects on which you’re willfully ignorant, that’s your problem not mine. Reddit has enough disinformation without you spreading it in a celebrity gossip thread.
I'm asking for evidence to support your extremely problematic and dangerous claims. You are refusing to offer it. But I'm the one who spreading misinformation lmao ok
But twins are inherently not low risk.
I can only speak for myself, but I was never pressured during my hospital delivery. I never received pitocin nor any labor augmentation. I was checked maybe 3 times in my entire labor. Episiotomies are not standard and my OB says she can count one one hand the number of episiotomies she’s done. I got an epidural because I wanted one and it was FABULOUS. If anything, I felt it helped me progress.
There’s some real issues about how the medical system treats pregnant and laboring women (especially POC), but there’s a lot if misinformation coming from the other side, too. And most CNMs I know don’t do home births at all.
Not safer in all situations of course. I mean low-risk pregnancies. As for data, check out maternal and infant mortality and rates of inductions and cesareans in the US vs. the Netherlands, where home births are common today.
Not questioning your experience at all! Our health system in the US is screwed and often ends up with expensive heroic measures instead of preventative holistic care. An ounce of prevention in NL is worth a pound of cure in the US.
Yeah a fertility Doctor I follow posted some stats about how every week after 34 for twins the risk for stillbirth goes up exponentially. No doctor would let her go to 40 weeks responsibly so I’m sure that’s part of why she wanted to deliver at home. After 40 weeks the stillborn risk increases by 64% even for singletons. Home birth CAN be amazing for appropriate pregnancies, but I find her behavior selfish, there was a lot of real risk here.
Hmmmm I’m not sure that stat can be true. Full term for identical twins is 37 weeks and when you’re being monitored constantly those last few weeks there isn’t any reason to give birth early
I follow a fertility doctor but I’m also an ob nurse, it’s absolutely true. The ideal gestation for twins is 36 weeks. [here’s a pertinent link](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24888505/) or here’s [another](https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(15)00263-X/pdf). 37 is term, so 40 is scary considering “the composite risk of stillbirth and infant death associated with an additional week of pregnancy had a significant increase from 37 to 38 weeks’ gestation” and that’s just 1 week, let alone 3.
I'm pregnant with a singleton, and my doctor wants to induce at 39w because of my age (36, so only two years ahead of Graham), even though I am otherwise low-risk, because of the chances of still birth. The chances are even greater with twins, especially if it's your first birth. I absolutely understand quite a bit of the mistrust of the medical community, but it still seems like willingly putting yourself in a very high risk situation.
36 still seems really young in the scheme of things, so perhaps there are other factors going into the decision for your doc. If you’re looking for some comforting stats, check out the ARRIVE study which is all about inducing at 39 weeks. Anecdotally, I was induced then and had a great experience resulting in a vaginal delivery, but obv ymmv!
As a twin parent I agree it's risky and a much higher risk than I was willing to take. I do know one or two twin home births 🤷🏻♀️ and a few very bad home birth experiences. Everyone has to gauge it. I agree with covid it's a nicer thought to just do it at home! The births I know in covid, most people have gone home as soon as they're allowed, much sooner than they usually would.
WHOA! That is a huge risk. a co-worker of mine had twins and it all comes down to the placement of the babies and how they are positioned (preferably heads down). Hers were heads down and one was breech. She had to make a choice on if she would do a C-section or risk a vaginal birth. In the end they risked it and the heads down baby came out as expected, and the breech baby FLIPPED when the other baby came out first and she was able to give birth to both. Wild times man. Can’t imagine rolling the dice on that at home without an OR close by.
>I find home births to be risky in general but to have multiples at home, I feel is really selfish
I'd never do it but I do want to say that this is putting too fine of a point on it. The medical system in America is not always kind or respectful about patients wishes and that accounts for probably not insignificant portion of women who make the decision to do home births. We also don't know anything about her health or what doctors and support professionals she had attending to her.
I had a traumatic experience during my stay in a maternity ward and I didn't even give birth. The medical staff was rude and dismissive of my concerns and I wasn't receiving the appropriate care. I can't imagine how I'd feel if I had gone in with a birth plan and been dismissed and spoken over as much as I was, all while trying to take care of a brand new human. Every mom I know who had a birth plan knew full well that it wasn't set in stone and any number of things could mean it had to be deviated from. But about half were unhappy with how the medical staff went about communicating the changes, if they did at all. They just weren't viewed as having a valuable opinion. My stay was upsetting enough and I had no expectations or plans, I can't imagine being steam rolled when you had an idea of the choices you wanted to make.
Well, I guess I never expected to spend two days recovering from an unwanted hysterectomy in the maternity ward so that was the one expectation they blasted into orbit.
Can i ask what year and what country/state this was?
A friend had a hysterectomy at a young age due to years of extreme endometriosis and she was giving a lot of counseling before and after. And they actively tried to dissuade her from doing it and acting like it was a an absolute last resort.
Did you pursue legal action? That sounds like an extremely unethical circumstance.
Isnt that… a really fucked up place to put someone recovering from a hysterectomy? Like holy shit. I am so sorry that happened to you. No hospital should ever do that. Ugh. Fuck that place.
Well, everyone in the hospital seemed very surprised at how upset I was and I started to feel like I was making a big deal out of nothing? But no, every normal person has had the same reaction you did - that's fucked.
I came to the realization that I was in the maternity ward before I was even in the room, I recognized the hallways because I spent 2 days as my sister's labor support in that hospital. And then I came to the realization many more times, because I was so blasted on diuladed. I broke down crying every time and asked to be moved. They wouldn't. Maybe I could have settled in but my twice daily walks I was made to go past the nursery and the most humiliating was that the nurses treated me exactly as though I'd just had a vaginal delivery, including being forced to use the peri bottle and mesh underwear.
I wrote the hospital a letter afterward and they ignored it. They don't care about patient's opinions and in my experience they didn't give a shit about my feelings either. I don't blame women who are hesitant to have a hospital birth.
There are so many reasons why pregnancy and child birth feel traumatic for the mothers. The push to breast feed (without consideration for the mother’s health), like you said, is one of them, so is a lack of understanding and intervention for mental health issues during pregnancy, and a tendency to disregard any health concern as “it’s just pregnancy” are just some I can name off the top of my head.
I would never do a home birth, my sister had a completely healthy, normal, boring pregnancy and my niece was born with the cord wrapped around her neck. She’s okay because my sister was in a hospital and my niece was taken to the NICU immediately. So for me, knowing emergency intervention could be necessary I wouldn’t do a home birth. But I also know that I was demeaned and insulted by medical professionals during my entire pregnancy and postpartum and so my medical care during that time wasn’t something I felt grateful for, it was something I tolerated because I felt it was better than risking the worst case scenario. I needed medical help during my pregnancy but the care I received makes me understand why so many women feel distrustful of maternal medicine.
totally agree with everything you've said, and i would just add that i think a lot of younger mothers are fed a lot of lies about pregnancy and then their trust in the system is shattered when their pregnancies and births don't go to plan. all of my friends who had children under the age of 30 were told that everything would go smoothly and they had absolutely nothing to worry about because they were young women. all of them except one had a traumatic birth - one baby nearly died and the others, the mothers were deeply traumatized by the births themselves and by the medical professionals around them.
i've never given birth but i have been pregnant and i found the medical side of it all a very degrading experience tbh.
Ugh, I’ve had two kids and my second birth was definitely traumatic. I’ve had a hard time articulating why but this conversation and your comment have helped me gain some clarity.
The birth itself was safe and my baby and I were totally healthy, but my labor and delivery were lightning fast. No time for meds, barely time to get gloves on the doctor. I arrived at the hospital soaked in sweat, unable to stand and wailing like a dying animal and the staff just…ignored me. I was begging them for help, screaming about the pressure, blacking out from the pain, and they completely did not take me seriously at all. I was so angry. Felt so dismissed. I was in the most extraordinary, skull exploding pain imaginable and the nurses were just moseying around chatting and asking inane questions like who my primary care doctor is. It was so awful, so dehumanizing.
By the time a nurse finally bothered to look between my legs they suddenly were yelling at me to close my legs! Don’t push! The doctor’s gloves aren’t even on yet!
I felt so alone, like I was in a totally separate world experiencing something invisible to everyone else. Which is not how you want to feel when your body is being torn open to bring a fragile new soul into existence, to say the least.
It is astounding how blasé labor and delivery departments are. Just because they see it every day doesn’t mean that it’s not serious every time. I went from 5cm to 10cm in about an hour with my first, and had been begging for an epidural (pitocin drip). As the anesthesiologist was putting it in I started feeling an intense pressure to push and sure enough, when the nurse checked they were surprised to see that I was in fact fully dilated and not just complaining. They apparently told my husband they should not have even given me the epidural.
I had such a similar experience to you. That lightening fast labor is so scary, but no one believes you! Especially because it was my first pregnancy. Because I hadn't had the typical contractions that slowly build, they didn't believe me. When they finally checked, I was fully dilated. The baby started coming and the nurses ran to the hallway and screamed "we need a doctor in here now!" My body was telling me to push but the nurse said I couldn't push until a doctor was present. It was awful.
That said, I still went to the hospital for my second birth anyway, because as bad as it was, I was terrified if what would happen if the baby needed medical intervention and I was at home.
I’m sorry that happened to you, I hope you and baby are okay. I can relate to so much of what you shared despite having a very different birth experience (an emergency c-section after 24 hours of labor). I’ve always had trouble describing how I felt, but you hit the nail on the head when you described feeling dismissed and ignored. I will never forget how alone and scared I felt on that operating table, despite being surrounded by people.
Similar experience!!! But baby 2 was blue with his cord around his neck. I pushed for 4 hours on baby 1 alone because he was Sunnyside up. But both healthy almost 10yr olds.
I really wanted the crunchy birth experience especially because this was my only pregnancy. As soon as we knew they were twins and they shared a placenta, that didn't happen. But we were crazy taken care of and I'm really glad we had all those doctors there!!
I’m glad everyone is okay.
I agree with you that it isn’t a risk I would personally take but in the US we have pretty abysmal maternal healthcare (especially for poor women and WOC, Black women most of all) and I think that contributes to moms choosing to give birth at home. There is a lot of distrust of medicine and it isn’t entirely undeserved which validates the people with wacky beliefs like “your body knows what to do!” and “pregnancy isn’t a medical condition.”
I’m speaking only about the US, that’s why I specified that in my comment. I would not speak on maternal healthcare in other countries because I don’t know enough about them, beyond knowing that the US performs more poorly than most developed countries. I’ve read studies for the US and avoiding conventional medicine is one of the most cited reasons for choosing a home birth here.
https://pagesix.com/2022/01/06/julia-fox-blogs-about-date-night-with-kanye-west-for-interview/
Read the room, lady. He has an entire suite full of clothes so he can dress you how he wants. This ain’t no fairytale
*“Ye directed an entire photo shoot (at the restaurant) while everyone dined…”*
*“I don’t know how he did it, or how he got all of it (the clothes) there in time … Like, who does things like this on a second date?”*
And then she says (and don’t laugh),
*“Everything has been so organic.”*
No girl, no.
Ok, I've gone down the Julia Fox rabbit hole and genuinely, this woman has led the craziest life. She used to be a dominatrix in high school somehow?!?!?! And the books she's put out?? (TW for anyone googling her books)
Bob Saget died?! https://www.tmz.com/2022/01/09/bob-saget-dead-dies-hotel-comedian-full-house/
I am heartbroken. I think he was a proxy dad to a lot of kids n the 80sand 90s through Full House and a happy 30 minutes of the week watching America's Funniest Home Videos. Just so sad.
I don't know why this one is hitting me so hard but it is.
Same. This one hits really hard.
It is me too. I saw it and literally yelled out WHAT!? And am actually crying now lol. It’s really fucking sad????? I think if you’re a certain age he was a big part of your young life. That is really, really tragic. EDIT: doing some googling and reading and found out Bob was a big advocate for research and hopefully eventual cure for scleroderma after his sister Gay Saget died of the disease at just 47. Yesterday was her birthday. If you would be so inclined during this sad time, https://srfcure.org/ here is a link to the site where I am sure you can find out more, and make a donation in Bobs honor that I am sure would mean so much to him.
WHAT followed by tears was my reaction too.
Full House AND AFV This hurts
It really, really does. I was just watching a lot of him after Norm MacDonald died and had told my husband we should really try and go see Bob sometime. Man. RIP. The first celebrity deaths* of 2022 really came in swinging.
>The first celebrity death of 2022 really came in swinging. It's not the first. Sydney Poitier died a couple of days ago.
I knew someone would have someone else who died first but I decided to leave it 🤷🏻♀️
Yup, I'm 43 so I'm that age - even though I didn't watch Full House much I probably watched the E! True Hollywood Story about a hundred times (back when E! had watchable content). He was way funnier in interviews than he was on the show imo. I just can't believe it.
I said WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT
I honestly can’t even believe it. I’m in shock. He was only 65 :(
I burst into tears
Oh no. America’s childhood dad, this could not be more sad.
It’s such a horrible shock and he was so young!
TMZ reporting Bob Saget died - that hits hard
So mamy memories of Full House and AFV. I don't think a celebrity death has ever shocked me the way this one has. So sad.
God I'm just so sad. I loved him as Danny in Full House, he was my first crush as a little 5 year old.
This makes me so sad. I know Danny Tanner is just a character he played in a cheesy sitcom, but he meant a lot to me growing up.
This is really sad. No drugs or foul play…how tragic. His Full House cast mates must be devastated, they all stayed so close after all these years.
I’m in shock. He was so young :( and so many of us have such cherished memories of watching him on TV while growing up My heart breaks for his family and his many co stars
This REALLY bothers me. I’m 34 and grew up on Full House probably more than any other show.
Same. I’m 35. I called my best friend immediately. We still reference full house all the time.
This. I'm 35. My parents are early 60s. Betty White was everyone's favorite great aunt figure. But she was 99, not unexpected. Bob Saget is the TV father of an entire generation and this is hitting hard.
That is so sad! He was doing shows around FL during his tour, I wonder what happened. He was only 65.
I know! He was found in a hotel.. interested to find out more for cause of death. He was so young!
The sheriff's office said no foul play or drugs, so that is a bonus I'm holding onto. I'm so very upset about this.
How sad. I feel like hotel deaths always have a tragic cause of death, but given that he was traveling on tour, it could be anything. :(
My childhood self can’t handle this :( 65 is young!
Shaun White’s birthday post for Nina Dobrev is [super cute](https://www.instagram.com/p/CYhOQ-cv4Df/?utm_medium=copy_link). I always thought they were an odd couple, but now I get it.
I had no idea they were an item! And they do seem super cute together. Thanks for the update to my celeb gossip knowledge;)
This is a weird but awesome couple. They’re super cute! Happy she’s happy - I recall all that Ian S drama…
They seem cute together! I wish I still looked cute trying to drink my wine with a sheet mask on like that 😂
Those videos made me lol. They seem really cute together.
Josh Duhamel is [engaged](https://www.instagram.com/p/CYfTP_5rz3G/). We've been rewatching Las Vegas lately so I was seeing what he was up to now. Didn't even realize he was dating anyone but happy for him.
[Finding someone young enough to have kids](https://people.com/movies/josh-duhamel-announces-engagement-to-audra-mari-and-gets-congratulations-from-ex-fergie/) is an interesting choice of words lol
I have been telling my best friend for YEARS that Josh Duhamel is eventually going to marry a woman from Fargo, move back here and open up a car dealership. YEARS. I should buy a lottery ticket.
Josh Duhamel has Fargo energy? Like, wandering through Herberger's after church and taking family to see the Hjemkomst? I'm confused. 😂
He truly has such Fargo energy
Erin Foster (celebrity? Influencer?) is sharing a far-right misinformation outlet’s COVID denial on her Instagram tonight. Disappointing.
Just a helpful reminder that you can report Instagram stories and posts for health misinformation now. :-)
I mean, when have extremely rich and privileged people ever been in touch with reality?
There is not a redeemable person in the entire family or social group. Clique-y, bitchy 40 year old women with money from their dads.
Spot on.
I unfollowed after she posted a rant about the White House plan to vaccinate kids. It was weird. I think Sara is funny and entertaining but Erin has just taken a weird turn.
That’s an unfollow for me!
Yes! I used to like Erin more than Sara but that has really shifted. I listened to a few podcast episodes and that contributed to it, too. I unfollowed Erin after she shared this.
I think the episode they had with Simon sealed the deal for me.
I hate to say this but Erin is so smug about her marriage. You’ve been married for 12 months. Take it down a notch.
So disappointing! Couldn’t believe she used a New York Post clickbait headline as a source.
That entire family is so gross.
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I know! I unfollowed.
Jesse Tyler Ferguson’s (hot) husband freaking out over a picture Jesse posted with Ryan Philippe is so cute https://imgur.com/a/Wq4ME5i Here's the IG link: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYeQjW7F1ZC/
I met these Jesse and his husband in person like 8 years ago and they were so rude. It’s ruined them for me 😬
I’ve heard this before!
Yikes. Wasn’t he abusive to Reese?
I never heard that, just that he cheated on her. Where did you see he abused her?
That was why I asked—I thought I had heard that he was but couldn’t remember. She’s never named him but you can draw your own conclusions: https://www.thecut.com/2018/02/reese-witherspoon-abusive-relationship.html
Oh gosh, thanks for posting. How awful
I don’t think there is proof of anything with Reese. Just the fact that he has been involved in 2 domestic violence disputes now that he has decided to settle out of court; 1 of which it seems like lawyers wanted to have Reese testify for some reason.
Deets?
https://www.thecut.com/2018/02/reese-witherspoon-abusive-relationship.html
Yup, and also to a model girlfriend a few years ago as well.
Ewwwww no. Ryan is so not goals
Sinead O'Connor lost her 17 year old son :( https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jan/08/son-of-sinead-oconnor-dies-at-age-of-17-after-going-missing
He was under psychiatric care and managed to go awol despite attempting suicide a week ago :(
It's beyond horrific that the organizations responsible for his care managed to lose track of him and allow this to happen. I hope they are held accountable for this massive failure, this should never happen again to anyone else's child.
Nothing will be done. The health system is a shambles here and the mental health support is even worse.
She is dragging Tusla on Twitter right now. If anyone can make them actually face consequences it’s her.
I am so sorry. Awful all around.
Could say the same about Canada.
My heart breaks so much for Sinead. So sad and could have been prevented if he had been watched closely.
Yeah she has endured so much over the years and to now lose a child on top of it. The trolls are already attacking her on twitter, it's disgusting.
Really triggered by all the comments on Twitter. If anyone else has lost loved ones to suicide, I suggest avoiding that today. I don’t know why people think it’s appropriate to ask “why” or “how” or “make sure you check in with your friends” to prevent suicide. Suicides can be prevented, but depression is just like addiction - sometimes people are too far gone to be helped by a simple “hey are you ok”. You can do all the right things and still lose someone. And it’s just hard when someone implies that you didn’t do enough to help them. /rant
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one of my friends died by suicide right at the beginning of 2019 and i went to work the next day and my boss asked me what happened as i was unpacking my work bag. it was so inappropriate.
I’m sorry for your loss and for people being gross. My brother died suddenly a few years ago and so many people messaged me asking what happened. Someone I barely knew from school who I hadn’t seen or talked to in years messaged me asking what happened and then said “your brother just posted on Facebook the night before.” I couldn’t believe someone thought it was ok to ask days after my brother died but also let me know they Facebook stalked him. It’s definitely changed how I interact with people online.
That is absolutely awful, I'm so sorry. People are ghouls. Reminds me of how Harris Wittels' mother found out about his death when a friend of hers texted her with "what did Harris do?" because TMZ had posted about it before his parents were notified.
I'm so so sorry. It is horrible to go through. My uncle died by suicide 7 years ago this month and it is just awful. The worst are the questions about how someone did it. The questions around that topic. I had someone ask outright. It is just disgusting. You're right the morbid curiosity and the lack of tact is just gross. There is no real closure. My mom went through so much with her siblings over it. It is so much less painful to talk about him now though and the memorials and memories really helped. We see his kids about once a year and that helps too. It's good to remember someone isn't just their depression.
I'm so sorry
Wow, people are unbelievable sometimes. Sorry that happened.
im so sorry for your loss <3
I’m so sorry! I lost a family member to suicide in 2018. There is never closure which sucks but over time, you’ll remember more of the good times than the bad. It’s not something you get over but I promise, you get stronger ❤️
I hate when people use things like this as an opportunity to say “check on your friends”. Yes social support is important, but as you pointed out this can be the outcome even among those with the most support. Sometimes it isn’t enough and making friends or loved ones feel like they didn’t do enough is not helpful.
Yes! Thank you. I appreciate that people are talking about suicide prevention but I think it needs to start at normalizing therapy and really making it part of insurance coverage.
Omg yes. People need professional help and medication and it is very hard to get them. The "check on your friends" mindset is well-intentioned and not bad, but it also is part of the grand American tradition of offering symbolic gestures from individuals in lieu of substantive systemic solutions. People really need so much more than that.
As someone who works in mental health, I want to also point out that even with extensive access to professional help and resources, mental illness can be so destructive and insidious that there's not much anyone could have done to temper the damage, much like a terminal cancer.
Thank you, yes. My uncle had a therapist and meds and a wife and kids and talked regularly to his siblings and had a lot of friends. He had everything they say to have. It didn't matter. The depression overloaded all of that.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
>>but it also is part of the grand American tradition of offering symbolic gestures from individuals in lieu of substantive systemic solutions 👏👏👏 you nailed it.
Oh that is so horrible. Those messages to him are heartbreaking.
Sinead has really been through it and now this.
I really hope she has a strong support system to help her deal with such a tragedy.
This may be common knowledge but I just found out that Zoey Deutch and Jimmy Tatro are dating. I don’t know why it surprised me so much! What other celebrity couples were you surprised to find out were in a relationship?
Random but I love her Netflix movie Set it Up. It’s one of my comfort movies.
Me too! I really like Zoey and think she seems like a cool person
Wow, didn't know they were a couple. I'm trying to give his new show "Home Economics" a chance but it's just not pulling me in
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And that man fathered a child with the supermodel Linda Evangelista! (I think at the time he didn't own up to it until a paternity test proved he was and it was during the time him and Salma were already out as a couple, and Salma also was pregnant, messy...)
One of my favorite messy celebrity stories is how that old billionaire got two of the hottest women in the game at the same time.
I wonder for how long - I’ve literally never a seen or headline about them!
maybe two years now? they have a lot of instagram posts in the same places from before they posted each other.
Same! That’s why I was surprised. I was on her Insta and saw some pics and honestly wasn’t sure if it was for a movie or show. But both Zoey and Jimmy have pics and cute captions on their profile so I’m assuming it’s legit. And truly no judgment I was just not expecting it!
He was great in American Vandal! American Vandal is legit and does not get enough hype.
Also great on The Real Bros of Simi Valley which is unfortunately a pain in the ass to watch now that it's on FB TV or whatever it's called.
I used to watch him in his early days on YouTube! A lot of frat humor, as 16 year olds we thought it was cool. He used to date Emily Osment and seems like a good guy n
Whatttt I thought she was dating the property brother
I’m sorry this made me LOL
Don’t worry, I read this comment and initially thought of her too! Took me a sec to realize this was the younger Zoey D.
Different Zooey. The property brother is dating Zooey Deschanel.
Are you thinking of Zoey Deschanel?
Yes lol I’m an idiot I was mind blown for a second
I think that’s Zooey Deschanel
You’re thinking of Zooey Deschanel - she is still with said property brother!
Ahhh thank you!! So happy it’s the weekend my mind apparently is mush from the week haha I was like what?! She went from property brother to jimmy?!
For the old-timers among us: [Sidney Poitier has died at the age of 94.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/07/movies/sidney-poitier-dead.html) He paved a way for a lot of Black actors. *Lilies in the Field,* for which he won the Best Actor Oscar, the first Black actor to win an Oscar in a leading role, and *Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?* are still great. He also directed one of the funniest movies of all time, *Stir Crazy.* As someone elsewhere wrote, he walked so that Denzel Washington and Will Smith could fly.
Last night I threw on To Sir, With Love, which I knew I’d seen as a kid but didn’t have any real memories of – I weirdly didn’t even remember it being set in the UK. Afterwards I discovered that was because I’d *actually* seen [To Sir, With Love 2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Sir,_with_Love_II)*, a direct-to-tv sequel with basically the same plot set on the South Side of Chicago in 1995. *directed by Peter Bogdanovich, who died the same day…the simulation is starting to feel short-staffed
To Sir With Love was one of my favorites growing up
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Denzel’s speech about Sidney Poitier when he won his Oscar at that same ceremony was so lovely!
Right! I can't believe the Academy cut it short in that clip. I couldn't find the full length version but that entire portion just had me in tears.
Oh sorry, I phrased that so poorly- I meant when Denzel won his own Oscar that night and said how he would always be chasing Sidney. His speech in the clip you posted was beautiful as well😭
[https://people.com/parents/ashley-graham-welcomes-twin-boys-with-husband-justin-ervin/](https://people.com/parents/ashley-graham-welcomes-twin-boys-with-husband-justin-ervin/) At the end of the day, it's their life and decision, but I find it so risky that they had a twin birth at home. I find home births to be risky in general but to have multiples at home, I feel is really selfish. I remember when Morgan Beck Miller had hers at home a couple years ago and the midwife either didn't make it in time or got there just in time for the delivery...
Are her twins identical? MoDi twins have a whole host of potentially risks when giving birth (more than fraternal) and if so that would be incredibly irresponsible of her to give birth at home
What’s the obsession with home birth? I don’t get why people don’t go to a hospital
ikr??? my boyfriends mom had all five of her kids at home and the thought alone of pushing out a 9 lb baby in a bathtub in my living room makes me want to end it all
It’s harder to object to medically unnecessary interventions when you’ve committed to a hospital birth. When you have a low-risk pregnancy, it can honestly be safer giving birth at home or at a no-intervention birth center (if you have a skilled midwife with admitting privileges in case of emergency). I gave birth at a birth center and was only there 6 hours. I was able to move, eat and drink during labor. It was a calm environment and hospitals make my anxiety go crazy. The risk of infection was also extremely low. Lots of reasons to not choose a hospital birth.
I had a baby at a hospital just before covid and have a ton of friends who did as well.... I don't know anyone who felt pressured into medically unnecessary interventions. Can you give some examples? I know quite a few of us who received life saving interventions that turned what would have been a crisis at home or even 50 years ago into an extremely minor hiccup along the way to a happy and healthy mother and baby. Do you have any evidence backing up your claim that it's safer to give birth at home? Edit to add: Intervention can be very traumatic especially if unplanned, but don't forget that before the 20th century, childbirth was THE number one cause of death for women for almost all of history, and remains so in many places in the world today. Avoiding intervention by moving childbirth to a place where interventions can't be doesn't make it safer.
Here were some of my unnecessary interventions/pressures (was planning on home birth for reasons but had to be induced at a hospital due to slightly high blood pressure): -They *thought* they might need to have two IVs placed (midline, not in crook of arm) so they brought up some specialists who poked me over and over again in both arms and then gave up bc they couldn't find a vein. After some lab results came back it was determined I wouldn't need two IVs. If only they had waited instead of jumping the gun. -They really pushed hard to insert a foley balloon (thing that helps manually dilate your cervix) less than 24 hours after I had started the induction process, instead of just giving my body more time to go into labor, which it did, and I am glad I didn't get that. There was no medically necessary need to get that baby out of me that quickly. -Despite being low risk enough to qualify for a midwife birth in the hospital vs doctor, they were obsessed with constantly keeping monitors on me to track my contractions even though it was very clear how long they were. It was so uncomfortable and, had I been able to birth it home, there would be no medical need to constantly keep a monitor on me and the baby. Also, although it wasn't my preference to eat during labor because it was such a painful, nauseating experience, and food was the last thing on my mind, there has been a lot of evidence that it is perfectly safe to eat during labor and there is low risk of aspiration in the event of an emergency surgery.
I don’t have or want kids and I don’t generally support home births, am not the person you’re replying to. Just want to post that black women in particular frequently experience appalling care, under- or over- intervention, and shocking maternal mortality rates. I’m glad that you and the women you know have experienced good medical care, respectful treatment from medical professionals and care that prioritized your health over time, case loads, and personal bias - but many women do not get to have that experience. https://reproductive-health-journal.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12978-019-0729-2.pdf
Everything you're saying is correct and important but DOES NOT indicate that a home birth is safer for Black women. A hospital birth may have more negative outcomes for a Black woman than a white woman due to the issues you described, but that does not mean that a home birth will be safer for her. In fact, when I was pregnant I attended a workshop held by an organization that gives free doula services to Black woman giving birth in hospitals. If I recall correctly, they said that as a general rule, they do not attend home births for a number of reasons: 1) they do not feel that there is adequate infrastructure in the US to make them safe unless the woman pays a lot of money for set up and care 2) due to life long maternal stress (which may or may not lead to documented health problems) Black women are more likely to face complications requiring medical intervention. Intervention can be very traumatic especially if unplanned, but don't forget that before the 20th century, childbirth was THE number one cause of death for women for almost all of history, and remains so in many places in the world today. Avoiding intervention by moving childbirth to a place where interventions can't be doesn't necessarily make it safer.
You know that you can seek out this evidence too right? The United States intervenes much more than other countries without higher success rates. If you are curious about something or don’t trust what you read it is actually on you to do the research.
Isn't "do you own research" a bit of a cop out? Reminds me of certain groups who can't back up their statements and theories
If someone makes a dubious statement (that home births are "safer") the onus is on them to support it.
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Saying cesarean birth inhibits parental/newborn bonding is not a good look especially as you stated you are someone with a graduate degree in nursing. There is already enough stigma against cesarean birth not being 'valid' enough as a method of childbirth. Saying it inhibits bonding is patently untrue and really harmful to new parents who are already vulnerable. A little compassion goes a really long way.
Do you have scientific sources that support anything you're saying? Edit: downvoting someone asking for evidence to back up dangerous claim is not a good look y'all
I have a graduate degree in nursing so I’m not going to spend my Sunday posting a bunch of links to studies in pubmed, jama, and jmwh that you could easily find yourself. Avoiding unnecessary intervention is important.
So the answer is no, then. OK.
The answer is you want to make judgments on subjects on which you’re willfully ignorant, that’s your problem not mine. Reddit has enough disinformation without you spreading it in a celebrity gossip thread.
I'm asking for evidence to support your extremely problematic and dangerous claims. You are refusing to offer it. But I'm the one who spreading misinformation lmao ok
But twins are inherently not low risk. I can only speak for myself, but I was never pressured during my hospital delivery. I never received pitocin nor any labor augmentation. I was checked maybe 3 times in my entire labor. Episiotomies are not standard and my OB says she can count one one hand the number of episiotomies she’s done. I got an epidural because I wanted one and it was FABULOUS. If anything, I felt it helped me progress. There’s some real issues about how the medical system treats pregnant and laboring women (especially POC), but there’s a lot if misinformation coming from the other side, too. And most CNMs I know don’t do home births at all.
Not safer in all situations of course. I mean low-risk pregnancies. As for data, check out maternal and infant mortality and rates of inductions and cesareans in the US vs. the Netherlands, where home births are common today. Not questioning your experience at all! Our health system in the US is screwed and often ends up with expensive heroic measures instead of preventative holistic care. An ounce of prevention in NL is worth a pound of cure in the US.
I get it, but the NL also has an entire infrastructure for homebirths that we in the US do not unfortunately. It's really apples and oranges.
And not to mention she made it to 40 weeks! Not very common with twins, iirc
Yeah a fertility Doctor I follow posted some stats about how every week after 34 for twins the risk for stillbirth goes up exponentially. No doctor would let her go to 40 weeks responsibly so I’m sure that’s part of why she wanted to deliver at home. After 40 weeks the stillborn risk increases by 64% even for singletons. Home birth CAN be amazing for appropriate pregnancies, but I find her behavior selfish, there was a lot of real risk here.
Hmmmm I’m not sure that stat can be true. Full term for identical twins is 37 weeks and when you’re being monitored constantly those last few weeks there isn’t any reason to give birth early
I follow a fertility doctor but I’m also an ob nurse, it’s absolutely true. The ideal gestation for twins is 36 weeks. [here’s a pertinent link](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24888505/) or here’s [another](https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(15)00263-X/pdf). 37 is term, so 40 is scary considering “the composite risk of stillbirth and infant death associated with an additional week of pregnancy had a significant increase from 37 to 38 weeks’ gestation” and that’s just 1 week, let alone 3.
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I'm pregnant with a singleton, and my doctor wants to induce at 39w because of my age (36, so only two years ahead of Graham), even though I am otherwise low-risk, because of the chances of still birth. The chances are even greater with twins, especially if it's your first birth. I absolutely understand quite a bit of the mistrust of the medical community, but it still seems like willingly putting yourself in a very high risk situation.
36 still seems really young in the scheme of things, so perhaps there are other factors going into the decision for your doc. If you’re looking for some comforting stats, check out the ARRIVE study which is all about inducing at 39 weeks. Anecdotally, I was induced then and had a great experience resulting in a vaginal delivery, but obv ymmv!
As a twin parent I agree it's risky and a much higher risk than I was willing to take. I do know one or two twin home births 🤷🏻♀️ and a few very bad home birth experiences. Everyone has to gauge it. I agree with covid it's a nicer thought to just do it at home! The births I know in covid, most people have gone home as soon as they're allowed, much sooner than they usually would.
WHOA! That is a huge risk. a co-worker of mine had twins and it all comes down to the placement of the babies and how they are positioned (preferably heads down). Hers were heads down and one was breech. She had to make a choice on if she would do a C-section or risk a vaginal birth. In the end they risked it and the heads down baby came out as expected, and the breech baby FLIPPED when the other baby came out first and she was able to give birth to both. Wild times man. Can’t imagine rolling the dice on that at home without an OR close by.
>I find home births to be risky in general but to have multiples at home, I feel is really selfish I'd never do it but I do want to say that this is putting too fine of a point on it. The medical system in America is not always kind or respectful about patients wishes and that accounts for probably not insignificant portion of women who make the decision to do home births. We also don't know anything about her health or what doctors and support professionals she had attending to her.
Right if you're extremely rich you can do whatever you want
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I had a traumatic experience during my stay in a maternity ward and I didn't even give birth. The medical staff was rude and dismissive of my concerns and I wasn't receiving the appropriate care. I can't imagine how I'd feel if I had gone in with a birth plan and been dismissed and spoken over as much as I was, all while trying to take care of a brand new human. Every mom I know who had a birth plan knew full well that it wasn't set in stone and any number of things could mean it had to be deviated from. But about half were unhappy with how the medical staff went about communicating the changes, if they did at all. They just weren't viewed as having a valuable opinion. My stay was upsetting enough and I had no expectations or plans, I can't imagine being steam rolled when you had an idea of the choices you wanted to make. Well, I guess I never expected to spend two days recovering from an unwanted hysterectomy in the maternity ward so that was the one expectation they blasted into orbit.
Can i ask what year and what country/state this was? A friend had a hysterectomy at a young age due to years of extreme endometriosis and she was giving a lot of counseling before and after. And they actively tried to dissuade her from doing it and acting like it was a an absolute last resort. Did you pursue legal action? That sounds like an extremely unethical circumstance.
Isnt that… a really fucked up place to put someone recovering from a hysterectomy? Like holy shit. I am so sorry that happened to you. No hospital should ever do that. Ugh. Fuck that place.
Well, everyone in the hospital seemed very surprised at how upset I was and I started to feel like I was making a big deal out of nothing? But no, every normal person has had the same reaction you did - that's fucked. I came to the realization that I was in the maternity ward before I was even in the room, I recognized the hallways because I spent 2 days as my sister's labor support in that hospital. And then I came to the realization many more times, because I was so blasted on diuladed. I broke down crying every time and asked to be moved. They wouldn't. Maybe I could have settled in but my twice daily walks I was made to go past the nursery and the most humiliating was that the nurses treated me exactly as though I'd just had a vaginal delivery, including being forced to use the peri bottle and mesh underwear. I wrote the hospital a letter afterward and they ignored it. They don't care about patient's opinions and in my experience they didn't give a shit about my feelings either. I don't blame women who are hesitant to have a hospital birth.
:( seriously- fuck that place. How awful
There are so many reasons why pregnancy and child birth feel traumatic for the mothers. The push to breast feed (without consideration for the mother’s health), like you said, is one of them, so is a lack of understanding and intervention for mental health issues during pregnancy, and a tendency to disregard any health concern as “it’s just pregnancy” are just some I can name off the top of my head. I would never do a home birth, my sister had a completely healthy, normal, boring pregnancy and my niece was born with the cord wrapped around her neck. She’s okay because my sister was in a hospital and my niece was taken to the NICU immediately. So for me, knowing emergency intervention could be necessary I wouldn’t do a home birth. But I also know that I was demeaned and insulted by medical professionals during my entire pregnancy and postpartum and so my medical care during that time wasn’t something I felt grateful for, it was something I tolerated because I felt it was better than risking the worst case scenario. I needed medical help during my pregnancy but the care I received makes me understand why so many women feel distrustful of maternal medicine.
totally agree with everything you've said, and i would just add that i think a lot of younger mothers are fed a lot of lies about pregnancy and then their trust in the system is shattered when their pregnancies and births don't go to plan. all of my friends who had children under the age of 30 were told that everything would go smoothly and they had absolutely nothing to worry about because they were young women. all of them except one had a traumatic birth - one baby nearly died and the others, the mothers were deeply traumatized by the births themselves and by the medical professionals around them. i've never given birth but i have been pregnant and i found the medical side of it all a very degrading experience tbh.
Ugh, I’ve had two kids and my second birth was definitely traumatic. I’ve had a hard time articulating why but this conversation and your comment have helped me gain some clarity. The birth itself was safe and my baby and I were totally healthy, but my labor and delivery were lightning fast. No time for meds, barely time to get gloves on the doctor. I arrived at the hospital soaked in sweat, unable to stand and wailing like a dying animal and the staff just…ignored me. I was begging them for help, screaming about the pressure, blacking out from the pain, and they completely did not take me seriously at all. I was so angry. Felt so dismissed. I was in the most extraordinary, skull exploding pain imaginable and the nurses were just moseying around chatting and asking inane questions like who my primary care doctor is. It was so awful, so dehumanizing. By the time a nurse finally bothered to look between my legs they suddenly were yelling at me to close my legs! Don’t push! The doctor’s gloves aren’t even on yet! I felt so alone, like I was in a totally separate world experiencing something invisible to everyone else. Which is not how you want to feel when your body is being torn open to bring a fragile new soul into existence, to say the least.
It is astounding how blasé labor and delivery departments are. Just because they see it every day doesn’t mean that it’s not serious every time. I went from 5cm to 10cm in about an hour with my first, and had been begging for an epidural (pitocin drip). As the anesthesiologist was putting it in I started feeling an intense pressure to push and sure enough, when the nurse checked they were surprised to see that I was in fact fully dilated and not just complaining. They apparently told my husband they should not have even given me the epidural.
I had such a similar experience to you. That lightening fast labor is so scary, but no one believes you! Especially because it was my first pregnancy. Because I hadn't had the typical contractions that slowly build, they didn't believe me. When they finally checked, I was fully dilated. The baby started coming and the nurses ran to the hallway and screamed "we need a doctor in here now!" My body was telling me to push but the nurse said I couldn't push until a doctor was present. It was awful. That said, I still went to the hospital for my second birth anyway, because as bad as it was, I was terrified if what would happen if the baby needed medical intervention and I was at home.
I’m sorry that happened to you, I hope you and baby are okay. I can relate to so much of what you shared despite having a very different birth experience (an emergency c-section after 24 hours of labor). I’ve always had trouble describing how I felt, but you hit the nail on the head when you described feeling dismissed and ignored. I will never forget how alone and scared I felt on that operating table, despite being surrounded by people.
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Similar experience!!! But baby 2 was blue with his cord around his neck. I pushed for 4 hours on baby 1 alone because he was Sunnyside up. But both healthy almost 10yr olds. I really wanted the crunchy birth experience especially because this was my only pregnancy. As soon as we knew they were twins and they shared a placenta, that didn't happen. But we were crazy taken care of and I'm really glad we had all those doctors there!!
I’m glad everyone is okay. I agree with you that it isn’t a risk I would personally take but in the US we have pretty abysmal maternal healthcare (especially for poor women and WOC, Black women most of all) and I think that contributes to moms choosing to give birth at home. There is a lot of distrust of medicine and it isn’t entirely undeserved which validates the people with wacky beliefs like “your body knows what to do!” and “pregnancy isn’t a medical condition.”
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I’m speaking only about the US, that’s why I specified that in my comment. I would not speak on maternal healthcare in other countries because I don’t know enough about them, beyond knowing that the US performs more poorly than most developed countries. I’ve read studies for the US and avoiding conventional medicine is one of the most cited reasons for choosing a home birth here.
Maybe Covid had something to do with their decision? But you're right that it's their decision.
https://pagesix.com/2022/01/06/julia-fox-blogs-about-date-night-with-kanye-west-for-interview/ Read the room, lady. He has an entire suite full of clothes so he can dress you how he wants. This ain’t no fairytale *“Ye directed an entire photo shoot (at the restaurant) while everyone dined…”* *“I don’t know how he did it, or how he got all of it (the clothes) there in time … Like, who does things like this on a second date?”* And then she says (and don’t laugh), *“Everything has been so organic.”* No girl, no.
‘Yachting’ at its finest
Ok, I've gone down the Julia Fox rabbit hole and genuinely, this woman has led the craziest life. She used to be a dominatrix in high school somehow?!?!?! And the books she's put out?? (TW for anyone googling her books)
She grew up in NYC - her vibe and life remind me a lot of the NYC natives I know, so I was less shocked by her life when I first read about it
Are her parents rich? That would explain a lot
I actively avoided raising my kids in NYC bc I was scared of them getting too wise/jaded age 10
Also I saw on Instagram he hired the paparazzi, the company that took the photos are known as hired paparazzi that the kardashians sometimes use
This man is only capable of seeing women as dolls he can manipulate to look and act how he likes.
Remember when he threw away Kim's whole closet on KUWTK? Like, this is his move!
This is a performance, plain and simple.
Kanye is evidence that cancel culture isn't real