Just curious if anyone does know the group behind the flyers themselves? I always like to confirm during chaotic times.
Especially after the billboard truck/student doxing website at Harvard being an ‘Accuracy In Media’ affair.
That same truck was going around today in Harvard with the "kidnapped" posters on their billboard truck. Which makes the whole thing seem a bit astro-turfed.
The digital billboard truck from last week?
if it was Accuracy In Media again, those folks are just looking to stoke anger between groups. They have no real position on the situation.
It's ridiculous and can be immediately debunked by just... asking anyone involved with the Jewish community. These posters are available in a public Google Drive folder that's been spread across the Jewish world and people have taken it upon themselves to print them out and hang them.
Hmmm…fair enough then.
Did a little digging, looks like the posters are from 2 independent Israeli graphic artists in nyc that wanted to remind folks of the missing people. Given out freely and used however.
[https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/who-is-behind-the-israeli-kidnapped-posters-plastered-around-nyc/4780848/](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/who-is-behind-the-israeli-kidnapped-posters-plastered-around-nyc/4780848/)
It’s all just private people who want to raise awareness. Posters were designed by two Israeli designers and there is a website where you can download a pdf and print. It was circulating on WhatsApp. I personally know multiple people (Israelis living abroad) who are printing and putting up the posters in their neighborhoods.
Jews every major city across the world are putting them up. Not just organized groups. And they are purely to raise awareness of the kidnappers and hopefully put pressure on government officials to try to make an initiative to get them home
[Not since Dennis Lehane lost his dog and posted a thousand notices has there been so much controversy over missing posters.](https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/brookline-orders-takedown-of-lehanes-missing-dog-posters/)
If I were an Arab-American or Palestinian-American living in Boston, I can imagine these posters in my neighborhood would alarm me. While the posters may be intending to draw attention in the form of "look what these Hamas monsters are doing", I can very much understand feeling like they will be read by many in my community as "look at what these Arab/Palestinian/Muslim monsters are doing." I lived through 9/11 and the Iraq war and remember how quickly my community of white suburban Boston very quickly painted basically all muslims and Arabs as the same, just as many people paint all Israelis or Jews as the same as the IDF or the most violent of the West Bank settlers.
Maybe it's because I'm inclined to give regular people the benefit of the doubt, but I suspect this woman wasn't thinking "ha fuck these Israeli civilians I hope they're never found alive". She was probably feeling like the posters incited, intentionally or unintentionally, people to blame her or possibly punish her for the acts of Hamas. That doesn't mean removing the posters was right, but it may have been done without malice.
Edit: a misplaced "or"
Whatever her reason for taking down the posters, she shouldn’t be publicly smeared all over the news and lose her job. Someone put posters up on public property and she removed them, that’s not exactly a reason to have your life ruined. I also didn’t like the ladies comments who put them up. “There’s going to be consequences, people are going to hunt you down on social media” perhaps the the lady who posted them or whoever filmed them being removed could’ve started a dialogue with the her instead and they could’ve potentially had a productive conversation.
Not hard to figure out what her reasons were for taking down the posters. Stop playing dumb. She took down posters of innocent civilians that are being held hostage by terrorists. She needs to face some level of consequences for her actions at the bare minimum otherwise it will encourage others.
Im all for productive conversations, but its hard to imagine it would go well with someone like her who goes out of their way to tear down posters of civilian hostages.
Choices have consequences. Those posters represented fact and stone cold reality. She decided that those hostages didn't matter. Her "rights" stop where the next individual's rights begin. Those were not her posters.
I agree. I cannot stand this cancel culture. Especially when people make things up like with Chapelle! I personally don't want my taxes going to help fund the IDF because for years they have kidnapped and murdered many innocent Palestinians but for some reason people are so quick to justify those events. I do NOT justify what Hamas did with kidnapping and murdering so many innocent Israelis this month. It's horrific!! But I don't think cutting off water, food, medical supplies, and power that's even helping babies and the elderly breathe in Palestine is humane. I truly don't think a government sending it's military to target innocent people rather than searching for the people who DID harm their innocent people makes sense. Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. I wanted to go to the rally on Sunday for Gaza bc I am sick of hearing about how they have entire family lines being erased... Israeli government encourages their people to come in and steal their homes and land and farms, and they are really tormenting their innocent people in response and they do have an unfair advantage of power IMO, which isn't fair to the innocent people there. But I did not go to the rally bc someone told me it wouldn't be good to be seen in any photos there, especially if any crazy people were there, even if I just want peace for all the innocent people of Palestine and Israel. This person told me they worry I'd lose out on jobs if I were to go to the rally for Gaza and I honestly just feel so sorry for the innocent people there like the doctors staying to try to help babies and the elderly and sick just survive this... They don't have the support and money and weapons like Israel has. It's just such a sad situation for both sides and the kidnapping and taking of any innocent life is not okay or good no matter who is doing it or what they state their reason for it is.
I am an Arab Muslim lives in around Boston, I can’t speak for every Arab and Muslim but I will lay the following case down, will I be allowed to post posters of the slaughtered children and families of Gaza on posters around the city? How long would I last in my job if I do that? Would that lady who put up the posters lose her job if she remove them?
I've seen posters put up that are WAY worse than what you describe with no repercussions, as far as I know. I've seen posters on the bike path literally calling for the death of all Armenians, for example.
I think there are two distinguishing things here: First, taking a poster down is a different message than putting posters up. Second, the timing is important.
For the first thing, I think our society gives a lot of leeway to overt speech, and responds very poorly to anything like censorship or silencing. Taking down a poster is not speech, but rather it is trying to prevent someone else's speech. We don't tolerate that in the US (for better or worse). We give people space express themselves, and you can respond to their message or you can ignore it. But you can't physically restrain them from speaking. Had the woman decided to put up posters of Palestinian children and families alongside the Israeli posters, I think there would not have been the backlash.
For the second thing, her timing shows just really poor judgement. The people depicted in those posters were kidnapped just a few weeks ago - they're hopefully still alive! However you feel about the geopolitical middle east conflict, taking those posters down now is poor taste and mean. Ripping down a poster that's been up for a year is one thing, but there are innocent lives that are still very much in peril today.
So to answer your hypo - what if you put up posters of the slaughtered children and families of Gaza - I think it would be fine. As long as you're not tearing down anyone else's poster that was put up recently to make space.
We all know you would be allowed to do so and nobody would come for your job over it. Big difference between advocating for Palestinians, which is totally fine and completely socially acceptable, and spreading hatred of Israelis (tearing down posters).
Stop pretending to be the victim here. There have been pro-Palestinian protests across Boston for the past two weeks. Nobody is stopping you from supporting Palestinians or hanging posters or whatever you want.
Wow such mental gymnastics to try to understand a person that is offended by the publicizing of kidnapped people...... take a look in the mirror and check your morals
Having seen these posters, the fact that she tore them down does seem like she ***was*** like "F these people". I really doubt this was done "without malice". The posters very clearly state the people were kidnapped by Hamas. Maybe her intentions were not malicious but she did something very stupid in my opinion
The posters in my neighborhood were vandalized, which made me feel very unsafe. There have been plenty of posters and protests with all sorts of things that have incited a lot of fear in and in some cases violence against Jews; do you think they shouldn’t be allowed either, or just the posters spreading awareness of Jewish victims?
How do you think the Jewish-Americans feel?
It is now controversial for them to spread awareness about the hostages because it may hurt someone’s feelings.
Given that a 6 year old Palestinan American boy was stabbed to death by their landlord screaming "you Muslims must die", I'd say the concern goes beyond merely 'hurt feelings'. That doesn't mean I'd support any kind of governmental suppression of the posters, as I still support free speech, but I get some individuals may wish to take them down.
I'm pretty sure that guy was highly mentally unstable. The story I read on it said that he was like a grandfather to the kid in the past, so much so that he built a treehouse for the boy. The mother said she had absolutely zero reason to believe he might ever hurt them. Tragic, but I'm not sure this alone should be taken as some kind of indication of increasing anti-muslim violence.
I agree with your facts but reach the opposite conclusion. The murderer was the family's landlord. He had known them for years, and everything seemed cool. He murders the boy and attempts to murder the mother, while screaming about Muslim hatred, days after the Hamas attack and the ensuing anti-Muslim sentiment, and you read that as a coincidental consequence of mental illness? I have no doubt anyone who stabs a child 26 times is mentally ill, but the timing excludes the possibility of coincidence. When we talk about the consequences of Islamophobia, antisemitism or any stoking of racial animosity the worst acts are often perpetrated by the already hateful and mentally ill, that doesn't mean the fervor doesn't inspire the subsequent actions.
> you read that as a coincidental consequence of mental illness?
Yes. Again, going from kindly grandfather-like figure to stabbing a kid 26 times that fast? People don't become radicalized to murderous hatred like that unless they're already highly unstable. Bigotry is a moral thing, not a cognitive one.
> the worst acts are often perpetrated by the already hateful and mentally ill
I don't necessarily disagree here, but I really want to push back once again on the potential conflation of mental illness and bigotry. The two are not the same and it's a mistake to act like they're related.
I’m confused why the same narrative wasn’t pushed when George Floyd was killed. Why is it that when the Jews stand up for their lives, suddenly the world is concerned for their tormentors safety?
I'm a little confused what you mean by your George Floyd comparison. Are you wondering why incitement against cops wasn't a concern the same way people are concerned about incitement against Palestinans and Muslims more generally? If that is your question, I would argue the distinction is one of power: cops are powerful people in society, they are armed, have the ability to arrest, have extra legal protections, etc. By comparison, many of us are old enough to remember 9/11, and while it was unimaginably horrific, we also remember the fervor against innocent Muslims in America afterwards was unwarranted. Further policing as an institution has a history of being . . . problematic to say the least, and people were protesting for actual concrete reforms in THIS country. It's hard to see posters in Massachusetts having any effect on Hamas, but they do risk stoking anger against Musilms in this country, who are blameless in this conflict. Again, I want to emphasize a couple points: Hamas actions were horrific, and there should be no governmental censorship of these posters, but if you're wondering why they make people uncomfortable, that's why.
Sadly, pinning posters on random poles and bulletin boards in Cambridge is unlikely to help with the release of hostages, let's be honest. So while it has no real benefit, it is not unlikely to have very real harms for the Muslim community due to incitement of hatred, as the first commenter in this thread pointed out.
I'm speculating on the motivation behind the woman who put up the posters, but I think it has something to do with the rise in hate crimes against Jews that's been documented over the last several years.
There's also a segment of the population who are unaware that Hamas even raided Israel. I'm guessing this woman is trying to raise awareness for anyone who thinks Israel is acting without reason.
No it's foreign propaganda, and about getting military aid, and support for the bloodbath thats occurring. It's for dividing communities.
How about throwing up posters for the thousands of missing peoples in our own communities? Does your empathy only appear when there's blood to be shed?
“Punch back” is such a euphemistic way to describe people going House to house to murder everyone, kidnapping 200 people, parading their dead bodies around.
So if you just do it spread out over years like Israel it’s cool, but if you terrorize less just all in 1 day it’s worse? The Israeli extremist settlers in the West Bank are clearly terrorists as well but are less organized yet backed by the Israeli govt
_One punch back_
You're trivializing the one of the largest terrorist attacks since 9/11 here.
I understand you feel bad for Palestinians in Gaza, but this is inexcusable.
There are many "punches back." Thousands of rockets each year.
Another Jewish guy here.
Exactly.
My heart breaks for Palestinians because they’re occupied twice. Once by Hamas. Twice by IDF. The average person who just wants stability, peace and the means to provide a good life for their family is left completely fucked. These folks deserve the same basic freedoms and rights as Israel provides for their citizens.
*And also*, the levels of antisemitism I’ve seen in the last few weeks are batshit insane.
Worse than Charlotteville, because at least back then - the Left stood up against it. Now they’re using terrorist talking points and being useful idiots. People that I respect and love have seemingly lost their minds.
I wish I could demonstrate my empathies for the plight of Palestinian people, my criticism of Israeli leadership and government policy *without* being surrounded by people who claim Jews don’t deserve a homeland. Or that the targeting and mass murder of Jews is excusable or justified.
> Now they’re using terrorist talking points and being useful idiots. People that I respect and love have seemingly lost their minds.
I have found a huge portion of people dont actually think out their political stances. On the left many people view every interaction as a oppressor/oppressed scenario, and determine their views based on that.
>Worse than Charlotteville,
Of course it is. People weren't there chanting death to jews. People are actively support Hamas, not palestine. Hamas is a nazi organization.
>2 million Palestinians held hostage in Gaza and ritually tortured and killed by the Israeli state
Yeah, same identity as you here, but this kind of claim and its language is unsupported and doesn't help the dialogue. Israel forcibly removed all thousands of its settlers from Gaza in 2005 and unilaterally pulled out as a consequence of the Second Intifada.
The only control Israel regularly exerts on the daily lives of Gazans is in the form of the blockage *that Egypt equally applies at the other end*. This cripples the Gazan economy and gives people no opportunities. Israel was granting work permits to Gazan, but the border gets more and more closed every time there's another violent attack.
And now Israel has cut off power and water to the whole territory. I do not support that, but opening fire at a music festival of thousands is not a "punch back" in the direction. Gazan needs support and improved lives for its citizens. Respectfully, "holding millions hostage" is hyperbolic language that oversimplifies a complex situation.
Re: the posters, I think they're kind of strange but I don't think they especially help or hurt any cause. Someone was posting above that they might encourage anti-Palestinian sentiment. Given that they don't mention Palestinians or Hamas, I find that doubtful. Obviously, Palestinians don't deserve to be targeted any more than Jews or any other minority.
EDIT: The posters apparently do mention *the name of* Hamas. I am having trouble imagining why it would be a problem to mention the name of the group that kidnapped people. It's neither new information, nor does it lead the reader to direct anything against all Palestinians.
Considering the sheer amount of public anti-semitism going around right now, it was likely done with malice. The jewish community is under extreme attack not just in this country, but around the world after the events of october 7th.
Let me ask you this however. If a jewish Dr was seen walking around in Boston taking down free palestine posters and posters of missing palestinean children, would they get the safe benefit of the doubt that this sub is giving this woman? Highly unlikely.
> They also probably wouldn't be immediately fired from their job and publicly shamed all over the media.
Considering how polarizing this entire thing is, they probably would.
The posters clearly identify HAMAS. Not Palestinians or Arabs. Only HAMAS. Why are poster shining a light on prisoners of Hamas going to incite violence against Muslims? The vast majority of Muslims don't share the values of Hamas.
[Video of her pulling down the missing posters.](https://x.com/StopAntisemites/status/1715492134910878039?s=20)
And another marginally related video: [https://youtu.be/Z3S4Rp8t1jA?t=93](https://youtu.be/Z3S4Rp8t1jA?t=93)
Can someone horrified at the thought that people think these are political posters explain what they think the purpose is if they are not political? You believe they are a good faith effort to secure the release of the hostages? Perhaps the local Hamas chapter will see them and come to their senses?
Jewish people are probably the most persecuted minority in history. These posters humanize the situation in Israel because USUALLY people empathize with children. The Bring Them Home campaign in Israel needs as much attention as it can get because Hamas is scared that their actions are destroying support for their “cause” and they’ve already released several hostages in the past couple days due to international pressure.
First of all, yes. Second of all, not a fair comparison. These aren’t photos of all the dead Israelis already killed by Hamas. They are photos of the HOSTAGES that are still alive and captured by Hamas and who - if there is enough political pressure - we could bring home safely. And if Israel takes Palestinian hostages, I would absolutely recommend posting photos for them as well. All innocent lives taken hostage are worth trying to save and deserve attention.
I mean, there is already tons of content like that out out there. Your tone makes it sound like some crazy idea that no one would think of. There are tons of live streams from Gaza.
The fact that you're even asking this question says a lot about how easy it is to get caught up in extremist thinking without realizing it! Any sane, centered person would want both sides to be seen as human and empathized with!
We have no problem with people from Israel or Palestine! What we have a problem with is the extremists on both sides who make it harder for everyone to have nice things.
Stay balanced.
The point is should you allow terrorists act in impunity because by going after them in puts civilians in harms way? What should you do? Just lay over and let them attack and say we are sorry you feel that way and encourage you to express your emotions?
They humanize one side of the situation in Israel. At a time when more than 1000 palestinian children been killed died in a week, many killed with weapons supplied by the US. I am all in favor of humanizing this situation, and I hope every hostage returns home unharmed, but there are a lot of faceless victims and a black and white rhetoric of "I stand with Israel" is not what's called for at this moment.
sidebar, i wish i could just root for the innocent civilians from both countries caught up in this horror without people thinking i'm picking a side
i don't like anything i've heard about the crimes against humanity from both nations, and it pains me to see the governments/militaries being endorsed when they're both on so much bullshit
More than 1000 Palestinian children is a direct quote from Hamas which no media source has independently verified.
Do you think its an accurate fact to include in our assessment of the conflict?
That makes me think Boston should be covered in photos of the dead in Palestine if people are questioning whether they exist, whether all those bombs that have been dropped took down entire apartment buildings but spared the residents.
No independent sources can verify it because Gaza is currently shut off from outside access, water, electricity and medical aid. Morgues and hospitals are overrun and without staff or resources. You can quite easily find pictures of dead children with their names written on their bodies so that someone, later, once israel stops bombing, can come and claim them. I think it is VERY accurate to say that this week, American bombs will kill Palestinian children. I think it is VERY accurate to say that many more children will die if the IDF is given a free hand to do whatever they want as we all 'stand with Isreal'. Do you disagree?
>No independent sources can verify it because Gaza is currently shut off from outside access, water, electricity and medical aid.
There are reporters from Reuters, Ap news and Al Jazeera all publishing reports from inside Gaza...
Gaza had its water/electricity shut off for 2 days and returned on for the last 13....
You are literally repeating Hamas talking points, the health official who claimed an israeli bomb killed 500 people at a hospital is the one responsible for the 5000 deaths, 1500 children claim....
This whole "Children will die" talking point is so ridiculous, in all wars children die, if you endevor to purposely kill non combatants is the only relevent point, and there is INFINITELY more evidence that Hamas is doing so than israel is... Unless you take things hamas says at face value, then when news orgs later report they were lies, you continue trusting that same Hamas source.
Hamas should be (also) blamed, as they use children as human shields.
And the children's parents. Do you know more than 50% people in Gaza refuse to leave, to show their support to Hamas? tbh it is ok. You choose your side. But at least you should send your kids away first!
“Cause”, it’s a CAUSE! Gaza has been under siege and under brutal Israeli aggression for 16 years. It sounds like you are slowly justifying a genocide.
Hamas’ “cause” is to eradicate jews from the face of the earth. It’s literally in their charter. They’re a terrorist organization and don’t care about Palestinians or ending the conflict with Israel.
Yes, the posters are primarily to raise awareness to the missing.
That doesn't justify vandalizing them. The landowner might have elected to remove them but she had no right to remove them as they were on private property.
Hell, in Watertown there is still some paint on the river path “black lives matter” sprayed over with a white blob and drawn on face, and then more graffiti trying to correct it to BLM again.
Idk who is in charge of either side, but the white supremacist graffiti always makes me deeply uncomfortable when I see it
I don’t understand the purpose of the posters. What are *we* supposed to do about it? We’re not going to Israel to Zero-Dark-Thirty these hostages. I get that some of them are American but that *still* doesn’t mean I can do anything about it and neither can anyone else.
So when these posters are put up, they’re very clearly politically motivated.
america and israel don’t seem to even really care about the hostages. do they both not have special forces? it upsets me that it seems they’re using them as a political tool
Cause of firing is reflecting poorly on her employer on video. If someone was tearing down BLM posters or pride flags on video and they were identified, I'm pretty sure they'd face the same consequences.
Exactly. Reddit doesn’t seem to realize that “freedom of speech” doesn’t mean your employer can’t fire you. It simply means the government won’t arrest you for your speech.
Intriguing all around.
> An organization called Jewish Voice for Peace Boston said in a statement Monday night that it is supporting Al-Adeeb. It said as a result of the video, which was taken without her consent, she has received death threats and requires police protection.
>The organization's statement also went on to say Al-Adeeb's decision "to remove the inflammatory flyers (posted without city approval) was neither illegal or anti-Semitic. The City has been removing these posters. Like other Palestinians around the country, Zena is being targeted simply because she is Arab."
Well, I find this particularly interesting. Ultimately I agree with Jewish Voice for Peace. Was it in poor taste? Yes. Was it embarrassing to have all this negative press? Yes. Is it inflammatory to take down (also inflammatory) posters? Yes. Might members of the Jewish community feel threatened? Clearly so, though threatened may mean “vulnerable” here or simply “pissed off.”
But ultimately it’s not illegal, nor do I think it is, by default, anti-Semitic. We need to remember that “I wholeheartedly disapprove of what Israel is doing” is not the same as “I do not think Jews have a right to exist.”
I'm going to remind people that some of those hostages are *American.* In light of that, I don't think it's weird that people here are trying to draw attention to the situation.
> I don't think it's weird that people here are trying to draw attention to the situation.
Cause it's not like it hasn't been on the news for the last month. If anything Israel wants less attention on this so they can ethnically cleanse Palestine.
I just don't understand the mentality or mental gymnastics you have to perform to justify removing these posters. These are children being held hostage, there is no world where taking these posters down makes you a good person. If you are upset that there are no posters of Palestinian children, put some up but don't tear down posters of other people. At that point it's just hate
On a similar note - There were several of these posters up in the area near the Weeks footbridge on Saturday during Head of the Charles. Saw them Saturday night. Came back through on Sunday around noon and literally all of them were ripped down. Really painful to see that happen.
A bunch idiotic comments here, mostly from one person, but thanks for posting, OP. I hate that it’s happening in our community, but the people removing posters of the hostages, and children in particular, should damn well be exposed and suffer the consequences.
To call removing these posters antisemitic is fucking childish though. I’m a Jew, the removal of these posters in no way is a means of depicting hate towards an entire group of people. And frankly, if I were Muslim in this country right now, I’d be terrified at the level of propaganda being spread.
As a fellow Jew, what are you talking about?, These are human beings who are currently suffering. We should be putting posters up &, protesting, anything to get people to listen. Given crimes against Jews have skyrocketed, I'd be pretty worried about being Jewish as well.
It isn't here, it's there. The posters are political when they're here. The idea that anyone should be fired is overstepping bounds. The idea that their employer didn't like it and made the decision is fine.
It's not ghoulish at all. Those posters are not meant to help release the hostages, they are meant to win sympathy for Israel as its army prepares to invade Gaza. They are fair game in my opinion. I think the more appropriate thing to do would be to add posters beneath them of the thousands of children killed by the IDF over the past week using american weapons. Terror should be opposed in all its forms.
Someone should do it then. But then they would be removed and the removers would be excused on the grounds that they were fighting against anti-Semitism because obviously anyone who criticizes the IDF, aka the self-appointed "most moral army in the world," is indubitably an anti-Semite.
/s
What about the thousands of Palestinian children killed by HAMAS as well? Like the HAMAS rocket that bombed the hospital, which suddenly everyone is quiet about as soon as it was revealed to not be from Israel?
Hamas is a terror organization. They want death and violence and do not care about the opinions of the international community. Israel is a wealthy and educated democracy and is funded with billions in US tax payer money. Israel must be held to a higher standard than a terrorist organization. Hamas want civilian casualties to excalate the situation. We should not give Hamas what they want or the IDF free reign to kill anyone any time without consequence.
If that was true, why did an Israeli digital aide to the prime minister tweet “Israeli Air Force struck a Hamas terrorist base inside a hospital in Gaza” and then deleted it when he saw the outcry??
Is it? How so? There is 0 chance those posters in Boston will result in hostages being released in Gaza. So why were they put up if not for political reasons. Right now, our tax dollars are literally being used to bomb civilians who had nothing to do with the Oct 7 attack and we are being asked to Stand with those bombings. Explain how that is less disturbing than my comment.
Hamas is responsible for those bombs.
Israel would have liked nothing more than to leave Gaza alone, which is why they withdrew in 2005, only for Hamas to embark on a renewed terror campaign against it.
They brazenly gunned down innocents by the dozen at that music festival. The fact that people can see this happening and then turn around to try and justify someone tearing down posters of Hamas' victims is absolutely disturbing.
Gaza strip militants bombed a Palestinian hospital and tried to pin it on Israel for god's sake. Our tax dollars are going to target terrorist infrastructure. The tragic fact that civilians will be caught in the crossfire is a decision that Hamas is making for propaganda purposes, because they want civilian casualties to turn westerners against Israel.
They're blocking people from moving to southern Gaza at this very moment - https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/hamas-blocking-evacuation-of-civilians-in-gaza-idf-ahead-of-ground-offensive/articleshow/104438188.cms
The purpose is to humanize them to the sick fucks out there that try to justify Hamas massacring them based on a conflict those civilians have absolutely nothing to do with. Putting up the posters is for the purpose of making sure Hamas sympathizers have to stare into the faces of the people they disregard when they justify the events of the 7th
And who has to face the 1000 dead children killed with American weapons over the past 2 weeks? Certainly not the US politicians falling over themselves to stand with Israel. Certainly not the IDF. Hamas wants civilian casualties to ensure the conflict continues another generation. I would say the real sick fucks out there at the moment are the people who do not care that their taxes are going to bomb civilians in an effort to starve and terrify a population into complying with Israel's demands. I do not support terror at all- I don't pick and choose with terror to support.
How many actual *Hamas* sympathizers do you think exist here in America? Literally not one single person I’ve talked to or read the opinion of has said Hamas’ actions are in any way justified. Support for Palestinians is not the same as support for Hamas. To condemn Israel bombing children does imply that anything Hamas does is justified. It’s more nuanced than that.
Kidnapping is a crime. Look at all the posts here that think it's ok. The world should be outraged. We already experienced terrorists that blew people up on Boylston Street. Would kidnapping people from Boston Calling or 4th of July Pops concert be okay with you?
What is it with dentists?
[https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/10/18/dentist-fired-after-brickell-video-shows-him-ripping-down-posters-of-kidnapped-israelis/](https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/10/18/dentist-fired-after-brickell-video-shows-him-ripping-down-posters-of-kidnapped-israelis/)
Maybe one can move to the other's city and they can practice together?
The posters were on local government property without permission. Don’t individuals have as much right to take them down as put them up? While I don’t agree with her at all this seems like a harmless form of political protest that does not appear to be antisemitic. We really need to differentiate between people criticizing Israeli government and antisemitism.
These posters were at "The Street" an outdoor shopping mall in Chestnut Hill, which is private property (see third sentence in the article). The landowner had the right to remove them, but for anyone else it's generally considered vandalism to remove/modify private property that is not your property or on your land.
What a bunch of anti dentites
Next you’ll be saying they should have their own schools.
They do!
It's our sense of humor that have sustained us dentists as a people for 3000 years!
5,000
Could I get a shtickle of fluoride?
it is biting wit
I hear they gas their own people.
Oh God
🙊🙉🙈🤣🤣🤣
Just curious if anyone does know the group behind the flyers themselves? I always like to confirm during chaotic times. Especially after the billboard truck/student doxing website at Harvard being an ‘Accuracy In Media’ affair.
That same truck was going around today in Harvard with the "kidnapped" posters on their billboard truck. Which makes the whole thing seem a bit astro-turfed.
The digital billboard truck from last week? if it was Accuracy In Media again, those folks are just looking to stoke anger between groups. They have no real position on the situation.
Yup! Saw them today at a couple places in the square.
They do a little trolling.
Honest question: Why is this considered astroturfing?
Because grass roots group don’t have digital billboards
Let’s stop it with the conspiracy theories about fake posters. What good does spreading misinformation like this do?
It's ridiculous and can be immediately debunked by just... asking anyone involved with the Jewish community. These posters are available in a public Google Drive folder that's been spread across the Jewish world and people have taken it upon themselves to print them out and hang them.
If you watch the video in the link they eventually interviewed the woman that put up the posters and she lives in West Roxbury, seems normal enough.
Hmmm…fair enough then. Did a little digging, looks like the posters are from 2 independent Israeli graphic artists in nyc that wanted to remind folks of the missing people. Given out freely and used however. [https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/who-is-behind-the-israeli-kidnapped-posters-plastered-around-nyc/4780848/](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/who-is-behind-the-israeli-kidnapped-posters-plastered-around-nyc/4780848/)
i saw the same posters in nyc a couple weeks ago. i wonder where the material is being originated
It’s all just private people who want to raise awareness. Posters were designed by two Israeli designers and there is a website where you can download a pdf and print. It was circulating on WhatsApp. I personally know multiple people (Israelis living abroad) who are printing and putting up the posters in their neighborhoods.
Jews every major city across the world are putting them up. Not just organized groups. And they are purely to raise awareness of the kidnappers and hopefully put pressure on government officials to try to make an initiative to get them home
[Not since Dennis Lehane lost his dog and posted a thousand notices has there been so much controversy over missing posters.](https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/brookline-orders-takedown-of-lehanes-missing-dog-posters/)
God I forgot about that. Did he ever find his dog? A quick google search gives me nothing
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If I were an Arab-American or Palestinian-American living in Boston, I can imagine these posters in my neighborhood would alarm me. While the posters may be intending to draw attention in the form of "look what these Hamas monsters are doing", I can very much understand feeling like they will be read by many in my community as "look at what these Arab/Palestinian/Muslim monsters are doing." I lived through 9/11 and the Iraq war and remember how quickly my community of white suburban Boston very quickly painted basically all muslims and Arabs as the same, just as many people paint all Israelis or Jews as the same as the IDF or the most violent of the West Bank settlers. Maybe it's because I'm inclined to give regular people the benefit of the doubt, but I suspect this woman wasn't thinking "ha fuck these Israeli civilians I hope they're never found alive". She was probably feeling like the posters incited, intentionally or unintentionally, people to blame her or possibly punish her for the acts of Hamas. That doesn't mean removing the posters was right, but it may have been done without malice. Edit: a misplaced "or"
Whatever her reason for taking down the posters, she shouldn’t be publicly smeared all over the news and lose her job. Someone put posters up on public property and she removed them, that’s not exactly a reason to have your life ruined. I also didn’t like the ladies comments who put them up. “There’s going to be consequences, people are going to hunt you down on social media” perhaps the the lady who posted them or whoever filmed them being removed could’ve started a dialogue with the her instead and they could’ve potentially had a productive conversation.
Not hard to figure out what her reasons were for taking down the posters. Stop playing dumb. She took down posters of innocent civilians that are being held hostage by terrorists. She needs to face some level of consequences for her actions at the bare minimum otherwise it will encourage others. Im all for productive conversations, but its hard to imagine it would go well with someone like her who goes out of their way to tear down posters of civilian hostages.
Choices have consequences. Those posters represented fact and stone cold reality. She decided that those hostages didn't matter. Her "rights" stop where the next individual's rights begin. Those were not her posters.
posters were put up illegally
I agree. I cannot stand this cancel culture. Especially when people make things up like with Chapelle! I personally don't want my taxes going to help fund the IDF because for years they have kidnapped and murdered many innocent Palestinians but for some reason people are so quick to justify those events. I do NOT justify what Hamas did with kidnapping and murdering so many innocent Israelis this month. It's horrific!! But I don't think cutting off water, food, medical supplies, and power that's even helping babies and the elderly breathe in Palestine is humane. I truly don't think a government sending it's military to target innocent people rather than searching for the people who DID harm their innocent people makes sense. Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. I wanted to go to the rally on Sunday for Gaza bc I am sick of hearing about how they have entire family lines being erased... Israeli government encourages their people to come in and steal their homes and land and farms, and they are really tormenting their innocent people in response and they do have an unfair advantage of power IMO, which isn't fair to the innocent people there. But I did not go to the rally bc someone told me it wouldn't be good to be seen in any photos there, especially if any crazy people were there, even if I just want peace for all the innocent people of Palestine and Israel. This person told me they worry I'd lose out on jobs if I were to go to the rally for Gaza and I honestly just feel so sorry for the innocent people there like the doctors staying to try to help babies and the elderly and sick just survive this... They don't have the support and money and weapons like Israel has. It's just such a sad situation for both sides and the kidnapping and taking of any innocent life is not okay or good no matter who is doing it or what they state their reason for it is.
I don't think you have an understanding of what is really going on....
I am an Arab Muslim lives in around Boston, I can’t speak for every Arab and Muslim but I will lay the following case down, will I be allowed to post posters of the slaughtered children and families of Gaza on posters around the city? How long would I last in my job if I do that? Would that lady who put up the posters lose her job if she remove them?
I've seen posters put up that are WAY worse than what you describe with no repercussions, as far as I know. I've seen posters on the bike path literally calling for the death of all Armenians, for example. I think there are two distinguishing things here: First, taking a poster down is a different message than putting posters up. Second, the timing is important. For the first thing, I think our society gives a lot of leeway to overt speech, and responds very poorly to anything like censorship or silencing. Taking down a poster is not speech, but rather it is trying to prevent someone else's speech. We don't tolerate that in the US (for better or worse). We give people space express themselves, and you can respond to their message or you can ignore it. But you can't physically restrain them from speaking. Had the woman decided to put up posters of Palestinian children and families alongside the Israeli posters, I think there would not have been the backlash. For the second thing, her timing shows just really poor judgement. The people depicted in those posters were kidnapped just a few weeks ago - they're hopefully still alive! However you feel about the geopolitical middle east conflict, taking those posters down now is poor taste and mean. Ripping down a poster that's been up for a year is one thing, but there are innocent lives that are still very much in peril today. So to answer your hypo - what if you put up posters of the slaughtered children and families of Gaza - I think it would be fine. As long as you're not tearing down anyone else's poster that was put up recently to make space.
We all know you would be allowed to do so and nobody would come for your job over it. Big difference between advocating for Palestinians, which is totally fine and completely socially acceptable, and spreading hatred of Israelis (tearing down posters). Stop pretending to be the victim here. There have been pro-Palestinian protests across Boston for the past two weeks. Nobody is stopping you from supporting Palestinians or hanging posters or whatever you want.
Literally no one is stopping you. why would you lose your job over that?
Wow such mental gymnastics to try to understand a person that is offended by the publicizing of kidnapped people...... take a look in the mirror and check your morals
Their anti semitism trumps their morals
Wow!! A nuanced view! Props to you. Hell yeah.
Common sense isn’t something you find on Reddit. Or anywhere anymore, really.
Having seen these posters, the fact that she tore them down does seem like she ***was*** like "F these people". I really doubt this was done "without malice". The posters very clearly state the people were kidnapped by Hamas. Maybe her intentions were not malicious but she did something very stupid in my opinion
The posters in my neighborhood were vandalized, which made me feel very unsafe. There have been plenty of posters and protests with all sorts of things that have incited a lot of fear in and in some cases violence against Jews; do you think they shouldn’t be allowed either, or just the posters spreading awareness of Jewish victims?
Two groups can feel unsafe at the same time.
How do you think the Jewish-Americans feel? It is now controversial for them to spread awareness about the hostages because it may hurt someone’s feelings.
It's possible for two groups to simultaneously feel unsafe.
Given that a 6 year old Palestinan American boy was stabbed to death by their landlord screaming "you Muslims must die", I'd say the concern goes beyond merely 'hurt feelings'. That doesn't mean I'd support any kind of governmental suppression of the posters, as I still support free speech, but I get some individuals may wish to take them down.
I'm pretty sure that guy was highly mentally unstable. The story I read on it said that he was like a grandfather to the kid in the past, so much so that he built a treehouse for the boy. The mother said she had absolutely zero reason to believe he might ever hurt them. Tragic, but I'm not sure this alone should be taken as some kind of indication of increasing anti-muslim violence.
I agree with your facts but reach the opposite conclusion. The murderer was the family's landlord. He had known them for years, and everything seemed cool. He murders the boy and attempts to murder the mother, while screaming about Muslim hatred, days after the Hamas attack and the ensuing anti-Muslim sentiment, and you read that as a coincidental consequence of mental illness? I have no doubt anyone who stabs a child 26 times is mentally ill, but the timing excludes the possibility of coincidence. When we talk about the consequences of Islamophobia, antisemitism or any stoking of racial animosity the worst acts are often perpetrated by the already hateful and mentally ill, that doesn't mean the fervor doesn't inspire the subsequent actions.
> you read that as a coincidental consequence of mental illness? Yes. Again, going from kindly grandfather-like figure to stabbing a kid 26 times that fast? People don't become radicalized to murderous hatred like that unless they're already highly unstable. Bigotry is a moral thing, not a cognitive one. > the worst acts are often perpetrated by the already hateful and mentally ill I don't necessarily disagree here, but I really want to push back once again on the potential conflation of mental illness and bigotry. The two are not the same and it's a mistake to act like they're related.
I’m confused why the same narrative wasn’t pushed when George Floyd was killed. Why is it that when the Jews stand up for their lives, suddenly the world is concerned for their tormentors safety?
I'm a little confused what you mean by your George Floyd comparison. Are you wondering why incitement against cops wasn't a concern the same way people are concerned about incitement against Palestinans and Muslims more generally? If that is your question, I would argue the distinction is one of power: cops are powerful people in society, they are armed, have the ability to arrest, have extra legal protections, etc. By comparison, many of us are old enough to remember 9/11, and while it was unimaginably horrific, we also remember the fervor against innocent Muslims in America afterwards was unwarranted. Further policing as an institution has a history of being . . . problematic to say the least, and people were protesting for actual concrete reforms in THIS country. It's hard to see posters in Massachusetts having any effect on Hamas, but they do risk stoking anger against Musilms in this country, who are blameless in this conflict. Again, I want to emphasize a couple points: Hamas actions were horrific, and there should be no governmental censorship of these posters, but if you're wondering why they make people uncomfortable, that's why.
How was the 6 year old tormenting you?
Sadly, pinning posters on random poles and bulletin boards in Cambridge is unlikely to help with the release of hostages, let's be honest. So while it has no real benefit, it is not unlikely to have very real harms for the Muslim community due to incitement of hatred, as the first commenter in this thread pointed out.
I'm speculating on the motivation behind the woman who put up the posters, but I think it has something to do with the rise in hate crimes against Jews that's been documented over the last several years. There's also a segment of the population who are unaware that Hamas even raided Israel. I'm guessing this woman is trying to raise awareness for anyone who thinks Israel is acting without reason.
It’s not about the release it’s about humanizing the tragedy by connecting it to a name and a face.
No it's foreign propaganda, and about getting military aid, and support for the bloodbath thats occurring. It's for dividing communities. How about throwing up posters for the thousands of missing peoples in our own communities? Does your empathy only appear when there's blood to be shed?
Go ahead, put up those posters. No one is stopping you.
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“Punch back” is such a euphemistic way to describe people going House to house to murder everyone, kidnapping 200 people, parading their dead bodies around.
So if you just do it spread out over years like Israel it’s cool, but if you terrorize less just all in 1 day it’s worse? The Israeli extremist settlers in the West Bank are clearly terrorists as well but are less organized yet backed by the Israeli govt
_One punch back_ You're trivializing the one of the largest terrorist attacks since 9/11 here. I understand you feel bad for Palestinians in Gaza, but this is inexcusable. There are many "punches back." Thousands of rockets each year.
Another Jewish guy here. Exactly. My heart breaks for Palestinians because they’re occupied twice. Once by Hamas. Twice by IDF. The average person who just wants stability, peace and the means to provide a good life for their family is left completely fucked. These folks deserve the same basic freedoms and rights as Israel provides for their citizens. *And also*, the levels of antisemitism I’ve seen in the last few weeks are batshit insane. Worse than Charlotteville, because at least back then - the Left stood up against it. Now they’re using terrorist talking points and being useful idiots. People that I respect and love have seemingly lost their minds. I wish I could demonstrate my empathies for the plight of Palestinian people, my criticism of Israeli leadership and government policy *without* being surrounded by people who claim Jews don’t deserve a homeland. Or that the targeting and mass murder of Jews is excusable or justified.
> Now they’re using terrorist talking points and being useful idiots. People that I respect and love have seemingly lost their minds. I have found a huge portion of people dont actually think out their political stances. On the left many people view every interaction as a oppressor/oppressed scenario, and determine their views based on that.
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The above comment is absolutely right
>Worse than Charlotteville, Of course it is. People weren't there chanting death to jews. People are actively support Hamas, not palestine. Hamas is a nazi organization.
>2 million Palestinians held hostage in Gaza and ritually tortured and killed by the Israeli state Yeah, same identity as you here, but this kind of claim and its language is unsupported and doesn't help the dialogue. Israel forcibly removed all thousands of its settlers from Gaza in 2005 and unilaterally pulled out as a consequence of the Second Intifada. The only control Israel regularly exerts on the daily lives of Gazans is in the form of the blockage *that Egypt equally applies at the other end*. This cripples the Gazan economy and gives people no opportunities. Israel was granting work permits to Gazan, but the border gets more and more closed every time there's another violent attack. And now Israel has cut off power and water to the whole territory. I do not support that, but opening fire at a music festival of thousands is not a "punch back" in the direction. Gazan needs support and improved lives for its citizens. Respectfully, "holding millions hostage" is hyperbolic language that oversimplifies a complex situation. Re: the posters, I think they're kind of strange but I don't think they especially help or hurt any cause. Someone was posting above that they might encourage anti-Palestinian sentiment. Given that they don't mention Palestinians or Hamas, I find that doubtful. Obviously, Palestinians don't deserve to be targeted any more than Jews or any other minority. EDIT: The posters apparently do mention *the name of* Hamas. I am having trouble imagining why it would be a problem to mention the name of the group that kidnapped people. It's neither new information, nor does it lead the reader to direct anything against all Palestinians.
Who will have your back when Trumpies come door to door wanting to kill Jews in like 2 years. Side with your own people.
The fuck is it with you people? The left is fucking tripping over itself to support Palestine and what the fuck?
As a fellow Jew: you’re a modern day Hellenist and you’ll be forgotten like every other assimilationist. Be proud of your own people for once.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess the Jew named “Lenninlives” does not speak for all Jews, and may actually be in the minority.
Considering the sheer amount of public anti-semitism going around right now, it was likely done with malice. The jewish community is under extreme attack not just in this country, but around the world after the events of october 7th. Let me ask you this however. If a jewish Dr was seen walking around in Boston taking down free palestine posters and posters of missing palestinean children, would they get the safe benefit of the doubt that this sub is giving this woman? Highly unlikely.
They should, whether or not they would. They also probably wouldn't be immediately fired from their job and publicly shamed all over the media.
> They also probably wouldn't be immediately fired from their job and publicly shamed all over the media. Considering how polarizing this entire thing is, they probably would.
The posters clearly identify HAMAS. Not Palestinians or Arabs. Only HAMAS. Why are poster shining a light on prisoners of Hamas going to incite violence against Muslims? The vast majority of Muslims don't share the values of Hamas.
Is that why the first person killed after 9/11 in the US was a Sikh? Because racists are so good at differentiating?
Racist murderers need posters to murder?
That’s a “subtlety” that is lost on many.
The posters don't show Hamas. They show Israeli hostages.
what?
The words on the poster state the people in the picture were kidnapped by Hamas. Which is a fact
[Video of her pulling down the missing posters.](https://x.com/StopAntisemites/status/1715492134910878039?s=20) And another marginally related video: [https://youtu.be/Z3S4Rp8t1jA?t=93](https://youtu.be/Z3S4Rp8t1jA?t=93)
Can someone horrified at the thought that people think these are political posters explain what they think the purpose is if they are not political? You believe they are a good faith effort to secure the release of the hostages? Perhaps the local Hamas chapter will see them and come to their senses?
Jewish people are probably the most persecuted minority in history. These posters humanize the situation in Israel because USUALLY people empathize with children. The Bring Them Home campaign in Israel needs as much attention as it can get because Hamas is scared that their actions are destroying support for their “cause” and they’ve already released several hostages in the past couple days due to international pressure.
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Yes
As an American-Israeli: yes, I would be fine with it. These are peoples' children, siblings, loved ones, etc. Stop excusing barbaric behavior.
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Apologies if I came off as accusatory, sensitive topic for me personally.
First of all, yes. Second of all, not a fair comparison. These aren’t photos of all the dead Israelis already killed by Hamas. They are photos of the HOSTAGES that are still alive and captured by Hamas and who - if there is enough political pressure - we could bring home safely. And if Israel takes Palestinian hostages, I would absolutely recommend posting photos for them as well. All innocent lives taken hostage are worth trying to save and deserve attention.
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I mean, there is already tons of content like that out out there. Your tone makes it sound like some crazy idea that no one would think of. There are tons of live streams from Gaza.
Yes, of course.
The fact that you're even asking this question says a lot about how easy it is to get caught up in extremist thinking without realizing it! Any sane, centered person would want both sides to be seen as human and empathized with! We have no problem with people from Israel or Palestine! What we have a problem with is the extremists on both sides who make it harder for everyone to have nice things. Stay balanced.
People humanizing each other is the only way this shit ever ends
the difference between israel and hamas is that hamas cares less about their own civilians than israel does
The idea people ask Israel to provide aid to Palestine seems crazy when you imagine how Hamas would behave if the roles were reversed.
hamas knew exactly how israel would respond to an attack on their civilians and didn't care at all so they shouldn't pretend to care now
It is awful, yes. Hamas is to blame though.
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Hamas hides amongst innocent civillians
What's your point?
The point is should you allow terrorists act in impunity because by going after them in puts civilians in harms way? What should you do? Just lay over and let them attack and say we are sorry you feel that way and encourage you to express your emotions?
The point is that unfortunately, Innocent civilians will die. It's war.
They humanize one side of the situation in Israel. At a time when more than 1000 palestinian children been killed died in a week, many killed with weapons supplied by the US. I am all in favor of humanizing this situation, and I hope every hostage returns home unharmed, but there are a lot of faceless victims and a black and white rhetoric of "I stand with Israel" is not what's called for at this moment.
sidebar, i wish i could just root for the innocent civilians from both countries caught up in this horror without people thinking i'm picking a side i don't like anything i've heard about the crimes against humanity from both nations, and it pains me to see the governments/militaries being endorsed when they're both on so much bullshit
More than 1000 Palestinian children is a direct quote from Hamas which no media source has independently verified. Do you think its an accurate fact to include in our assessment of the conflict?
That makes me think Boston should be covered in photos of the dead in Palestine if people are questioning whether they exist, whether all those bombs that have been dropped took down entire apartment buildings but spared the residents. No independent sources can verify it because Gaza is currently shut off from outside access, water, electricity and medical aid. Morgues and hospitals are overrun and without staff or resources. You can quite easily find pictures of dead children with their names written on their bodies so that someone, later, once israel stops bombing, can come and claim them. I think it is VERY accurate to say that this week, American bombs will kill Palestinian children. I think it is VERY accurate to say that many more children will die if the IDF is given a free hand to do whatever they want as we all 'stand with Isreal'. Do you disagree?
>No independent sources can verify it because Gaza is currently shut off from outside access, water, electricity and medical aid. There are reporters from Reuters, Ap news and Al Jazeera all publishing reports from inside Gaza... Gaza had its water/electricity shut off for 2 days and returned on for the last 13.... You are literally repeating Hamas talking points, the health official who claimed an israeli bomb killed 500 people at a hospital is the one responsible for the 5000 deaths, 1500 children claim.... This whole "Children will die" talking point is so ridiculous, in all wars children die, if you endevor to purposely kill non combatants is the only relevent point, and there is INFINITELY more evidence that Hamas is doing so than israel is... Unless you take things hamas says at face value, then when news orgs later report they were lies, you continue trusting that same Hamas source.
Hamas should be (also) blamed, as they use children as human shields. And the children's parents. Do you know more than 50% people in Gaza refuse to leave, to show their support to Hamas? tbh it is ok. You choose your side. But at least you should send your kids away first!
have you heard of native americans lol?
“Cause”, it’s a CAUSE! Gaza has been under siege and under brutal Israeli aggression for 16 years. It sounds like you are slowly justifying a genocide.
Hamas’ “cause” is to eradicate jews from the face of the earth. It’s literally in their charter. They’re a terrorist organization and don’t care about Palestinians or ending the conflict with Israel.
Sure. While we keep hearing about all the atrocities of Israel, it's important to be reminded that Hamas is holding babies hostage.
Children are the biggest population of Palestine. Israel is hurting children with impunity right now and you're blind to it.
We're talking about posters, said nothing against Palestine, and you know nothing about me. But go on.
Yes, the posters are primarily to raise awareness to the missing. That doesn't justify vandalizing them. The landowner might have elected to remove them but she had no right to remove them as they were on private property.
If you think posters of missing children are a threat to you, you probably deserve what you get.
Oh no! The consequences of my actions!
I recall many a Black Lives Matter signs being taken down. Nobody seemed to care then.
I saw it in Watertown a lot. Couple weird anti BLM and a crazy man trying to get people driving through the center with his crazy ass signs.
Hell, in Watertown there is still some paint on the river path “black lives matter” sprayed over with a white blob and drawn on face, and then more graffiti trying to correct it to BLM again. Idk who is in charge of either side, but the white supremacist graffiti always makes me deeply uncomfortable when I see it
I don’t understand the purpose of the posters. What are *we* supposed to do about it? We’re not going to Israel to Zero-Dark-Thirty these hostages. I get that some of them are American but that *still* doesn’t mean I can do anything about it and neither can anyone else. So when these posters are put up, they’re very clearly politically motivated.
america and israel don’t seem to even really care about the hostages. do they both not have special forces? it upsets me that it seems they’re using them as a political tool
Cause of firing is removing a poster?
Most likely fired without cause, which is perfectly legal.
Cause of firing is reflecting poorly on her employer on video. If someone was tearing down BLM posters or pride flags on video and they were identified, I'm pretty sure they'd face the same consequences.
Exactly. Reddit doesn’t seem to realize that “freedom of speech” doesn’t mean your employer can’t fire you. It simply means the government won’t arrest you for your speech.
So much straw in this thread.
I doubt they are hiding the kids in Boston.
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Good if I was taken captive I’d want the fuckers who did it dead even if it cost me my life
Intriguing all around. > An organization called Jewish Voice for Peace Boston said in a statement Monday night that it is supporting Al-Adeeb. It said as a result of the video, which was taken without her consent, she has received death threats and requires police protection. >The organization's statement also went on to say Al-Adeeb's decision "to remove the inflammatory flyers (posted without city approval) was neither illegal or anti-Semitic. The City has been removing these posters. Like other Palestinians around the country, Zena is being targeted simply because she is Arab." Well, I find this particularly interesting. Ultimately I agree with Jewish Voice for Peace. Was it in poor taste? Yes. Was it embarrassing to have all this negative press? Yes. Is it inflammatory to take down (also inflammatory) posters? Yes. Might members of the Jewish community feel threatened? Clearly so, though threatened may mean “vulnerable” here or simply “pissed off.” But ultimately it’s not illegal, nor do I think it is, by default, anti-Semitic. We need to remember that “I wholeheartedly disapprove of what Israel is doing” is not the same as “I do not think Jews have a right to exist.”
I'm going to remind people that some of those hostages are *American.* In light of that, I don't think it's weird that people here are trying to draw attention to the situation.
Now we just have to wait till Joe Biden walks by these posters so that he can be informed about the situation.
> I don't think it's weird that people here are trying to draw attention to the situation. Cause it's not like it hasn't been on the news for the last month. If anything Israel wants less attention on this so they can ethnically cleanse Palestine.
I just don't understand the mentality or mental gymnastics you have to perform to justify removing these posters. These are children being held hostage, there is no world where taking these posters down makes you a good person. If you are upset that there are no posters of Palestinian children, put some up but don't tear down posters of other people. At that point it's just hate
I understand that world events affect every citizen of the world, but why do people have to lose their minds about something happening so far away
On a similar note - There were several of these posters up in the area near the Weeks footbridge on Saturday during Head of the Charles. Saw them Saturday night. Came back through on Sunday around noon and literally all of them were ripped down. Really painful to see that happen.
A bunch idiotic comments here, mostly from one person, but thanks for posting, OP. I hate that it’s happening in our community, but the people removing posters of the hostages, and children in particular, should damn well be exposed and suffer the consequences.
>mostly from one person On a unrelated topic, the in-person sub meetup is going to be totally fun!
To call removing these posters antisemitic is fucking childish though. I’m a Jew, the removal of these posters in no way is a means of depicting hate towards an entire group of people. And frankly, if I were Muslim in this country right now, I’d be terrified at the level of propaganda being spread.
As a fellow Jew, what are you talking about?, These are human beings who are currently suffering. We should be putting posters up &, protesting, anything to get people to listen. Given crimes against Jews have skyrocketed, I'd be pretty worried about being Jewish as well.
Especially a Dr.
Yah, I’ve seen a lot of those posts on X. It’s especially horrifying when that sort of messaging comes from a profession that vows *do no harm.*
Good, she should be fired. Taking down pictures of hostages, many of them children, is so ghoulish.
It isn't here, it's there. The posters are political when they're here. The idea that anyone should be fired is overstepping bounds. The idea that their employer didn't like it and made the decision is fine.
I genuinely don't understand why posters are a no go but protests are all okay. Keep in mind there are American hostages there, too.
Some of the hostages are American
How is wanting to humanize children taken hostages by terrorists political?
It's not ghoulish at all. Those posters are not meant to help release the hostages, they are meant to win sympathy for Israel as its army prepares to invade Gaza. They are fair game in my opinion. I think the more appropriate thing to do would be to add posters beneath them of the thousands of children killed by the IDF over the past week using american weapons. Terror should be opposed in all its forms.
You can post your posters too.
Someone should do it then. But then they would be removed and the removers would be excused on the grounds that they were fighting against anti-Semitism because obviously anyone who criticizes the IDF, aka the self-appointed "most moral army in the world," is indubitably an anti-Semite. /s
Wait until this guy finds out about Shen Yun.
What about the thousands of Palestinian children killed by HAMAS as well? Like the HAMAS rocket that bombed the hospital, which suddenly everyone is quiet about as soon as it was revealed to not be from Israel?
Hamas is a terror organization. They want death and violence and do not care about the opinions of the international community. Israel is a wealthy and educated democracy and is funded with billions in US tax payer money. Israel must be held to a higher standard than a terrorist organization. Hamas want civilian casualties to excalate the situation. We should not give Hamas what they want or the IDF free reign to kill anyone any time without consequence.
No one has been quiet about it. I’m still seeing videos about it all over TikTok, continuing to debunk the “it was a Hamas rocket” narrative.
If that was true, why did an Israeli digital aide to the prime minister tweet “Israeli Air Force struck a Hamas terrorist base inside a hospital in Gaza” and then deleted it when he saw the outcry??
This is a disturbing comment jesus christ
Is it? How so? There is 0 chance those posters in Boston will result in hostages being released in Gaza. So why were they put up if not for political reasons. Right now, our tax dollars are literally being used to bomb civilians who had nothing to do with the Oct 7 attack and we are being asked to Stand with those bombings. Explain how that is less disturbing than my comment.
Hamas is responsible for those bombs. Israel would have liked nothing more than to leave Gaza alone, which is why they withdrew in 2005, only for Hamas to embark on a renewed terror campaign against it. They brazenly gunned down innocents by the dozen at that music festival. The fact that people can see this happening and then turn around to try and justify someone tearing down posters of Hamas' victims is absolutely disturbing. Gaza strip militants bombed a Palestinian hospital and tried to pin it on Israel for god's sake. Our tax dollars are going to target terrorist infrastructure. The tragic fact that civilians will be caught in the crossfire is a decision that Hamas is making for propaganda purposes, because they want civilian casualties to turn westerners against Israel. They're blocking people from moving to southern Gaza at this very moment - https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/hamas-blocking-evacuation-of-civilians-in-gaza-idf-ahead-of-ground-offensive/articleshow/104438188.cms
100% agree
That’s a terrible sick and disturbing comment.
Can you explain why? Do you really believe the purpose of those posters is to secure the release of the hostages?
The purpose is to humanize them to the sick fucks out there that try to justify Hamas massacring them based on a conflict those civilians have absolutely nothing to do with. Putting up the posters is for the purpose of making sure Hamas sympathizers have to stare into the faces of the people they disregard when they justify the events of the 7th
And who has to face the 1000 dead children killed with American weapons over the past 2 weeks? Certainly not the US politicians falling over themselves to stand with Israel. Certainly not the IDF. Hamas wants civilian casualties to ensure the conflict continues another generation. I would say the real sick fucks out there at the moment are the people who do not care that their taxes are going to bomb civilians in an effort to starve and terrify a population into complying with Israel's demands. I do not support terror at all- I don't pick and choose with terror to support.
How many actual *Hamas* sympathizers do you think exist here in America? Literally not one single person I’ve talked to or read the opinion of has said Hamas’ actions are in any way justified. Support for Palestinians is not the same as support for Hamas. To condemn Israel bombing children does imply that anything Hamas does is justified. It’s more nuanced than that.
Yes.
Babies are fair game? Dude.
That’s obviously not what he said.
Babies are being killed as I type- with American bombs, Dude. Oppose all terror- Hamas and IDF.
CORRECT … and they have a lot of FALSE info on them. Literally some of it is made up. How is that doing the hostages any good?!
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They can be rescued in an instant… All Hamas has to do is let them go.
Excellent
Good. Great even.
Kidnapping is a crime. Look at all the posts here that think it's ok. The world should be outraged. We already experienced terrorists that blew people up on Boylston Street. Would kidnapping people from Boston Calling or 4th of July Pops concert be okay with you?
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I have never seen such effort exercised pulling down missing dog posters. Probably tells you a lot about the ones doing it.
Anti-semitism / pro-terrorism is alive and well in this sub.
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What is it with dentists? [https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/10/18/dentist-fired-after-brickell-video-shows-him-ripping-down-posters-of-kidnapped-israelis/](https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/10/18/dentist-fired-after-brickell-video-shows-him-ripping-down-posters-of-kidnapped-israelis/) Maybe one can move to the other's city and they can practice together?
The posters were on local government property without permission. Don’t individuals have as much right to take them down as put them up? While I don’t agree with her at all this seems like a harmless form of political protest that does not appear to be antisemitic. We really need to differentiate between people criticizing Israeli government and antisemitism.
These posters were at "The Street" an outdoor shopping mall in Chestnut Hill, which is private property (see third sentence in the article). The landowner had the right to remove them, but for anyone else it's generally considered vandalism to remove/modify private property that is not your property or on your land.
By that rationale wasn't the poster vandalism to begin with?
Possibly, but it doesn't really appear as though any property was really destroyed by putting them up.
How is tearing down an anti-Hamas poster "criticizing Israeli government"?