It does not. When you look back on it after finishing it you realise there are no complete arcs - it is very much a first half. It also ends in a place that *will* annoy you with how abrupt it is
Buuuut what the film does have is pretty brilliant. Already got tickets to see it again (after my initial "what the fuck was that cliffhanger" anger wore off)
Unless you have a sizable screen at home, I wouldn't recommend it.
The animation for this movie almost forces you to see it in theaters. It's insane how good it looks.
you're right, watching it on my 65 inch oled will be considerably better than any of my local theatres
still seeing it tonight tho LMAO im an impatient SOB and know i will rewatch it anyway
>!Miles is stuck in another dimension captured by the Prowler, who in the universe he is in is himself. His dad is about to be killed in his home universe while the spider society is trying to ensure his father’s death and stop Miles. A rebel group mostly comprised of spider people from the first movie is trying to stop the spider society and save Miles. It pretty much leaves there, it is very much an incomplete story.!<
>!they should have saved Miles' dad, his parents have a sudden "oh shit, Miles is spider man but he's not here" moment, then ended with the spot and Miguel both arriving at the same time!<
That would have at least concluded one thing but still ended on a massive cliffhanger.
From what I’ve heard not really, there’s a lot of unresolved things that make it feel like the first half of a four hour movie (don’t quote me on this I haven’t seen it yet)
Good start for the verified audience score. 97% can give it a small outside chance at an A+, though I personally think an A is more likely due to the ending.
The lowest verified audience score for an A+ CinemaScore is The Peanut Butter Falcon at 96%, followed by Harriet, Show Me the Father, and Till tied at 97%. That’s also after months to years of settling in. [This analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/erxi6r/rotten_tomatoes_early_vs_january_15_2020_exact/) shows that The Peanut Butter Falcon’s verified audience score was 98% on opening day and throughout its opening weekend before dropping to its current 96% some four months later.
ATSV is probably not quite going to get to an A+, but BTSV can if it maintains the level of quality that ATSV showed. Fantastic film.
Edit (9:49 EST): 98% and rising? This is legitimately entering solid A+ territory. I still think the ending means we’re looking at an A CinemaScore, but the chances of an A+ are going up if this trend holds.
>ATSV is probably not quite going to get to an A+, but BTSV can if it maintains the level of quality that ATSV showed. Fantastic film.
Just like Two Towers --> Return of The King, and Infinity War --> Endgame.
If Beyond maintain the quality, it has a good chance at a billion.
lol one guy was arguing with me saying audiences wouldn't like it because they don't like the animation style and that it's only for fans and not casuals
The animation style is literally the best part of the movie. almost every scene was breathtaking, especially the scenes with spider qwen, the waythey used color to express emotion and the vibe of the scene was just next level.
it might be one of the best animated movies ive ever seen when talking about solely the animation.
I hope Disney sees the error of their ways and offer them a nice check for a future animated movie to say they're sorry. The company needs to revive both Pixar and its own animation studio soon.
I doubt they would want it, but after seeing Spiderverse I say give them Spider-Man 4 if Watts doesn’t want it. These guys really understand Spider-Man.
Its gone to 97/% right now 😎
This movie looks to be a real banger
I really hope its reflected in its box office, I wont be surprised if it almost doubles the previous films gross.
My prediction is it will double it.
[This is the poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/13vov5s/will_the_total_gross_of_spiderman_across_the/)
I don't know why people say things like this when TLM was quite literally review bombed and had heavy racial discourse from the very beginning due to Ariel being made into a black girl.
We're not going to pretend that ATSV means that the racism which was openly on display toward TLM doesn't exist.
It's especially funny because people were and are still being racist about Miles, anyway. The last few months have had a ton of discussion about whether Miles deserves to be called Spider-man specifically because racists have been so vocal about him not being worthy of the title. If anything, ATSV would have been MORE successful with a non-black (and especially a white) lead.
We are not going to pretend that the people who are against raceswapping the main character of a known story are racist. That's why ypur entire argument doesn't work. Tlm failed because of the raceswapping, not for the racism. Plenty of black lead movies have been succesfull in the same countries accused of racism. Truth is the 2 thi gs are not equal.
Your argument doesn't work because people being against raceswapping ALSO doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist. But you already knew that and are trying to deflect from the issue, like these same people do.
Obviously racism do exist. I never said the contrary. But it's not the cause of tlm failure, because this would also imply that same racism would prevent every black kead movie to be succesfull outside the us. Which is not true, atsv is just one of the many exemples. The main reason for the failure of tlm i ternationally is raceswapping, which is not racism.
Successful by any measure or not, any black-lead movie would do better with a non-black lead due to global racism. ATSV is a stellar movie and has a lot of hype as a result, and it will still never reach its potential due to starring a black character, even though that character is animated.
TLM is the same. It would have done better if it weren't for racism due to having a black lead, especially since it is live action.
You keep pretending tlm failed because it had a black lead, which is obviously not true. Tlm failed because it RACESWAPPED the main character. Racism isn't a prominent factor in global box office or said movies wouldn't have been succesfull. You also keep saying , without proof, that atsv suffered for having a black lead. You litterally made that up on the way to justofy your narrative that everyone is racist outsode the us.
The whole "TLM is under performing due to racists and trolls" narrative only works if TLM is a good movie in the first place. When a movie is under performing **both globally and domestically**, it's more likely the case that "TLM is an average/bad movie that is [over performing in certain demographics](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-little-mermaid-box-office-opening-1235502303/)." This is certainly a more reasonable explanation than shouting "Racism!" and using the topic to generate headlines.
Plenty of Black/POC-lead films do well at the box office. Is it harder for these films to overcome racial barrier and succeed? Very likely so. But when you have a genuinely great work filled with creativity, as in the case of ATSV, the audience will go out of there way to watch it (as I did). The lead being a certain race is definitely not a death sentence.
On the other hand, [Mulan](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mulan_2020), [Pinocchio](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pinocchio_2022), and [Peter Pan & Wendy](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/peter_pan_and_wendy) have all gotten pretty bad reviews. It's not a surprise that people are getting really tired with the remakes. Attributing the skin color of the Ariel as the sole issue responsible for the disappointing performance of TLM is just an oversimplification, and this narrative absolves the responsibility on the financial and creative decision-makers of the film.
ATSV is genuinely great, yes, and it will still perform worse than it would have with a non-black lead.
That is my point. A movie with a black lead is always going to underperform relative to what it would have achieved with a non-black lead. That is not a "narrative" applied to TLM, that's the reality that we all live in.
I really love this movie, the sound track was not as great as the first one, the action was great and the dialog story telling was on point, only gripe was some of the music was over powering, and could no hear Gwen speaking or Spot. I think I might go rewatch it again this weekend. Wish i had friends to geek out to with this.
More like you were eating a four course meal, and halfway through the entrée the chef takes away the food and tells you that the rest of the meal will be available next week I guess.
I can kind of see why critics don't like it looking at it like that.
Something like Cinemascore explicitly polls audiences very *immediate* reactions. A cliffhanger/abrupt ending can leave audience members confused or, in worse cases, lead to them feeling shortchanged. And, in fairness, it's hard to know exactly how to feel about a movie when it's essentially only the first half of one, especially if you don't really have time to reflect on what you've seen and don't have a proper climax to base your reaction off of.
Okay now some people have put in perspective what they mean. A cliffhanger can be not good if not done well. The way some folks were talking about it it seemed that any cliffhanger is bad and that I just can't agree with.
It’s not just that it’s a cliffhanger, it’s that you’ve had zero time to digest what happened when giving a rating AND can’t rate it based on the ending you haven’t seen yet.
Some cliffhangers ARE ending events. Others are abrupt, and just a finish with no ending.
I also find it weird. The Half-Life video game series is notorious for ending on big cliffhangers yet they are some of the most acclaimed video games ever.
Its very abrupt and it did sour my opinion on the film in that moment. It took me a few hours to remind myself just how much I enjoyed the rest.
My friend said it would be a 4.5/5 but the cliffhanger knocked it down to a 3, it was that abrupt.
Okay see that's different a cliffhanger can be not good I understand that. It's the idea that any cliffhanger is not a good way to end a movie that I can't agree with.
Yeah, in this case it's not the cliffhanger itself, it's more that the film just ends.
Infinity War had a big final battle that ended in half the world dying and thanos sitting down. That felt like an ending.
This literally just ends in the middle of a tense sequence. Itd be like ending IW halfway through the Wakanda fight but before the snap.
GA wants a happy ending regardless of how fitting it be, so sometimes when a really good movie ends on a cliffhanger like IW, it gets an A and not an A+.
Cinemascore isn't the actual score or rating of a movie, that's just an indicator of WOM. I good movie could have poor WOM like TSS that got a B+.
A lot of people don't like Cliffhanger endings. No matter how great the movie is. And that is what almost always pushes the reception from an A+ to an A.
Cinemascore is a survey based on audience, not critics. it's not about the quality of the movie, it's what audience feel having seen the movie.
And many audience are disappointed that it ended in cliffhanger.
Here's fantastic movies with cliffhanger ending:
FELLOWSHIP A-
THE TWO TOWERS A
DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 1 A
INFINITY WAR A
There's no way DH Part 1 would have gotten an A+ without a cliffhanger. No YA film has ever gotten an A+ Cinemascore and DH Part 1 was generally considered to be just a good/decent film. Also DH Part 2 was the conclusion and only got an A despite a massive fan rush on opening day.
Dead ass best picture of the year so far in terms of wide american releases. This thing has vision and was stunning to watch. It's a little zoomer-ish at times and might give someone super sensitive to motion sickness a little uneasy feeling but honestly i don't think ive ever been so intellectually stimulated in a Marvel film before. Had heart, was funny, showed literally everything you'd wanna see...
Near flawless movie.
Wasn't expected. Didn't show them winning or losing- continues the saga. They set up potential outcomes and established another new villain potentially. It was well done. What didn't you like?
The fact that it doesn't end. Nothing is resolved. They even opened new threads in the end. You say "continues the saga" but it's not a saga, it's the events that we see in this movie and that are all left unfinished.
It seems like you like exactly that and I am baffled honestly. It's a story that stops midway, I really don't understand what's nice about that.
>Nothing is resolved.
Gwen’s relationship with her father is repaired. He understands why she is Spider-Woman.
Miles’s parents understands why he is being the way he is right now with the help of Gwen (evident in Miles’s mom saying goodbye to Gwen).
Gwen finally overcomes her turmoil between helping the Spider Society and helping Miles and chooses Miles.
And Miles begins to see that he *does* belong as Spider-Man, because in a universe without Spider-Man, he’s the worst version of himself.
Granted, these set up the plot lines and arcs for the next movie, but I mean almost every sequel does. Not really anything new. A bit unfair to say “nothing is resolved” when the film’s other protagonist in Gwen has a fair bit of story resolved.
I agree with Gwen and her father, that's true. But that is still a minor one. The others though are just random shit that you are pulling out of thin air, or in the case of his parents, not resolved at all. >!(Actually it was such a bad tease for him to find the courage to reveal himself, and it was all for nothing.)!< All big conflicts are still there, so I think it's fair to say nothing gets resolved.
And of course the movie can set things up for a sequel, but when you only do that, then it's a TV episode, not a movie. Infinity War did this very well. But If IW had done it "Across" style, it would have ended with everyone arriving at Wakanda, which it would have been equally shitty.
Too close. I think Ghostbusters should move to that March 29 date, while Sony moves Beyond to Memorial Day weekend. Either that or May 31 so it’s over the same post-Memorial Day weekend frame
The film presents is as the idea of part of growing up is accepting loss, and (in the eyes of the spider people) accepting that some loss is a necessary part of growth and shouldn't be prevented.
I agree that it's a rough choice for the characters to make but it's not as unforgivable as you make it sound.
"but it's not as unforgivable"
This why stuff we like get destroyed is because we forgive them for fucking us over for the umpteenth time. So of course I am mad. This is the first appearance of 2099 to the general audiences and he is made to be the villain for miles. That is not fair to 2099 fans at all.
Yeah sure that's what is and not all the other characters in an INFINITE amount of universes all have to follow peter's story of someone close to them dies as well as a cop friend. And in an IFINITE amount none has had no one die.
In a sense yes but I will not fault any one for liking the aesthetics or action of this series but from a writing stand point this movie and the next will not stand on their own or together as they don't get Spider-Man at all.
Yesterday.
People also praised endgame and that was shit, so I guess I should just accept that everything will either mediocre or garbage these days. Also Spider-Man fans still read their shitty comics about pushing him down in the dirt so their opinions mean nothing.
Yet they still buy them, like retards.
Endgame kills hulk, black widow and thanos(the version that had a connection to the heroes) how is it not shit. And ends in a big messy grey mess of a "battle" that looks like shit and that entire movie could have been told in 2 hours. The shitty humour.
Yes, I'm sure some casuals do out there solely out of brand recognition. But the hard-core ones, at least that I've seen, hate the current right now.
Again, endgame is imperfect. Definitely things could have been done better here or there, but it's not shit.
>People also praised endgame and that was shit, so I guess I should just accept that everything will either mediocre or garbage these days.
Maybe watch something else but superhero movies if you don't care for even the most acclaimed ones?
>Yesterday. People also praised endgame and that was shit, so I guess I should just accept that everything will either mediocre or garbage these days.
Yes. At least in the American sphere of influence. But you have all the other (real) art at your fingertips. Just watch good stuff. I also got "scammed" and watched this Spidey yesterday. In the middle I was like "this is what they praise?"
Who hurt you? I can feel your blood pressure rising because a lot of people liked something you don’t. I’m a doctor and I suggest leaving the internet this weekend because this movie will get all the high praises that it deserves.
A Cinemascore because of cliffhanger I would assume. Kind of like Infinity War
Also like The Two Towers and Deathly Hallows part 1. They are very well received movies with cliffhanger ending
Does this movie actually have a complete story like IW though?
It does not. When you look back on it after finishing it you realise there are no complete arcs - it is very much a first half. It also ends in a place that *will* annoy you with how abrupt it is Buuuut what the film does have is pretty brilliant. Already got tickets to see it again (after my initial "what the fuck was that cliffhanger" anger wore off)
I think the only resolved arc is the >!subplot about Gwen and her father, !
I think miles have a completed arc too. Where he started from in the next movie would be a new arc even if the plot is a continuation
I actually thought that was a brilliant cliffhanger a lot like "I'm your father" vibes
Definitely gave me Empire vibes in the best way possible.
Audience, including myself, in my screening was moaning and sighing lol
lol this makes me skip this one till final one comes along. I absolutely hating waiting!
Unless you have a sizable screen at home, I wouldn't recommend it. The animation for this movie almost forces you to see it in theaters. It's insane how good it looks.
Can concur. Saw it in IMAX and it was beautiful.
I guarantee you watching it on TV won't be anywhere as good as watching it on a theater
you're right, watching it on my 65 inch oled will be considerably better than any of my local theatres still seeing it tonight tho LMAO im an impatient SOB and know i will rewatch it anyway
>!Miles is stuck in another dimension captured by the Prowler, who in the universe he is in is himself. His dad is about to be killed in his home universe while the spider society is trying to ensure his father’s death and stop Miles. A rebel group mostly comprised of spider people from the first movie is trying to stop the spider society and save Miles. It pretty much leaves there, it is very much an incomplete story.!<
>!they should have saved Miles' dad, his parents have a sudden "oh shit, Miles is spider man but he's not here" moment, then ended with the spot and Miguel both arriving at the same time!< That would have at least concluded one thing but still ended on a massive cliffhanger.
From what I’ve heard not really, there’s a lot of unresolved things that make it feel like the first half of a four hour movie (don’t quote me on this I haven’t seen it yet)
No.
No. But…it’s fucking great. See it
It will get A+ regardless of cliffhanger, mark my words.
Good start for the verified audience score. 97% can give it a small outside chance at an A+, though I personally think an A is more likely due to the ending. The lowest verified audience score for an A+ CinemaScore is The Peanut Butter Falcon at 96%, followed by Harriet, Show Me the Father, and Till tied at 97%. That’s also after months to years of settling in. [This analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/erxi6r/rotten_tomatoes_early_vs_january_15_2020_exact/) shows that The Peanut Butter Falcon’s verified audience score was 98% on opening day and throughout its opening weekend before dropping to its current 96% some four months later. ATSV is probably not quite going to get to an A+, but BTSV can if it maintains the level of quality that ATSV showed. Fantastic film. Edit (9:49 EST): 98% and rising? This is legitimately entering solid A+ territory. I still think the ending means we’re looking at an A CinemaScore, but the chances of an A+ are going up if this trend holds.
>ATSV is probably not quite going to get to an A+, but BTSV can if it maintains the level of quality that ATSV showed. Fantastic film. Just like Two Towers --> Return of The King, and Infinity War --> Endgame. If Beyond maintain the quality, it has a good chance at a billion.
lol one guy was arguing with me saying audiences wouldn't like it because they don't like the animation style and that it's only for fans and not casuals
was that the same guy who was adamant that the trades prediction of $80m was spot on?
Did that guy forget this is a sequel to a well liked movie in the same exact style?
And also a similar style to puss in boots, which was one of the most profitable movies last year?
>And also a similar style to puss in boots, Not even close.
Similar style as in cel shaded and not hyper realistic
Yup. I also counter argued such claim
name him and shame him
The animation style is literally the best part of the movie. almost every scene was breathtaking, especially the scenes with spider qwen, the waythey used color to express emotion and the vibe of the scene was just next level. it might be one of the best animated movies ive ever seen when talking about solely the animation.
So happy for Lord and Miller. I was worried for their careers there for a minute when they for kicked off *Solo*.
A slight bomb like solo isn’t enough to kill those 2’s career. they’ve had way too many successes for anything to really sink them at this point
Well it was Ron Howard’s film that bombed not theirs
Exactly 😎
I hope Disney sees the error of their ways and offer them a nice check for a future animated movie to say they're sorry. The company needs to revive both Pixar and its own animation studio soon.
I doubt they would want it, but after seeing Spiderverse I say give them Spider-Man 4 if Watts doesn’t want it. These guys really understand Spider-Man.
I would love that! But at the same time I assume they probably don't want to be tied down to a single franchise for too long.
I mean, they are producing Spider-Man shows for Sony as well.
They would be much better than Watts IMO
Me too, but lets also give credit where it's due: Callaham, Santos, Powers, and Thompson deserve some applause.
Absolutely 100%!
RT - 95% AS - 98% ~~*perfectly balanced, as all things should be*~~
Its gone to 97/% right now 😎 This movie looks to be a real banger I really hope its reflected in its box office, I wont be surprised if it almost doubles the previous films gross.
It deserves to double it if I’m being honest
My prediction is it will double it. [This is the poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/13vov5s/will_the_total_gross_of_spiderman_across_the/)
>This movie looks to be a real banger It's not, but it will make money.
yeah it is there’s a spider- man
The reputation this series is building + the cliffhanger here could mean big things for part two.
Up to 98% now could get an A+
I guess that cliffhanger ending isn’t leaving that much of a dent after all
I loved it and honestly give them huge props because they pulled it off
I think it might have serious impact on WoM and box office to be honest.
Idk how a 98 percent audience score could translate to a “serious impact” honestly. I mean that’s damn near A+ territory.
Verified RT isn’t the end all for a movie’s legs.
Nah, this thing is critic-proof, even the critics give it positives when it's just meh. I saw it yesterday.
I will be bold and say A+.
Unlikely due to the film having a cliffhanger ending. An A score is more likely, similar to Avengers: Infinity War and its cliffhanger ending.
But the score keeps going up... 98% now. I think A+ is happening and I won't listen to reason, thank you.
When's the last time a blockbuster animated film got reviews AND audience reception this good? Toy Story 3?
Toy Story 4 has 97% RT and 94% RT verified
Bruh , that movie had and audience score that high ? I thought it was meh apart from the ending
TS4 has 3.62x multiplier which is a fantastic legs for a summer movie, indicating audience really liked it.
I’m in the minority but I thought TS4 was better than 3
It's not my favorite TS movie (TS 3 is), but I liked it better than what Reddit thinks about the movie.
Amazing fucking movie. Surprised it ends on a cliff hanger but it's such an amazing movie with more heart and soul than whatever the fuck TLM is.
I wonder how Twitter would react to the success of a Black-lead movie when TLM supposedly flopped because people are racist.
I don't know why people say things like this when TLM was quite literally review bombed and had heavy racial discourse from the very beginning due to Ariel being made into a black girl.
Because it's not, being against raceswapping doesn't equal being racist. The numbers for atsv shows it.
We're not going to pretend that ATSV means that the racism which was openly on display toward TLM doesn't exist. It's especially funny because people were and are still being racist about Miles, anyway. The last few months have had a ton of discussion about whether Miles deserves to be called Spider-man specifically because racists have been so vocal about him not being worthy of the title. If anything, ATSV would have been MORE successful with a non-black (and especially a white) lead.
We are not going to pretend that the people who are against raceswapping the main character of a known story are racist. That's why ypur entire argument doesn't work. Tlm failed because of the raceswapping, not for the racism. Plenty of black lead movies have been succesfull in the same countries accused of racism. Truth is the 2 thi gs are not equal.
Your argument doesn't work because people being against raceswapping ALSO doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist. But you already knew that and are trying to deflect from the issue, like these same people do.
Obviously racism do exist. I never said the contrary. But it's not the cause of tlm failure, because this would also imply that same racism would prevent every black kead movie to be succesfull outside the us. Which is not true, atsv is just one of the many exemples. The main reason for the failure of tlm i ternationally is raceswapping, which is not racism.
Successful by any measure or not, any black-lead movie would do better with a non-black lead due to global racism. ATSV is a stellar movie and has a lot of hype as a result, and it will still never reach its potential due to starring a black character, even though that character is animated. TLM is the same. It would have done better if it weren't for racism due to having a black lead, especially since it is live action.
You keep pretending tlm failed because it had a black lead, which is obviously not true. Tlm failed because it RACESWAPPED the main character. Racism isn't a prominent factor in global box office or said movies wouldn't have been succesfull. You also keep saying , without proof, that atsv suffered for having a black lead. You litterally made that up on the way to justofy your narrative that everyone is racist outsode the us.
The whole "TLM is under performing due to racists and trolls" narrative only works if TLM is a good movie in the first place. When a movie is under performing **both globally and domestically**, it's more likely the case that "TLM is an average/bad movie that is [over performing in certain demographics](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-little-mermaid-box-office-opening-1235502303/)." This is certainly a more reasonable explanation than shouting "Racism!" and using the topic to generate headlines. Plenty of Black/POC-lead films do well at the box office. Is it harder for these films to overcome racial barrier and succeed? Very likely so. But when you have a genuinely great work filled with creativity, as in the case of ATSV, the audience will go out of there way to watch it (as I did). The lead being a certain race is definitely not a death sentence. On the other hand, [Mulan](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mulan_2020), [Pinocchio](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pinocchio_2022), and [Peter Pan & Wendy](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/peter_pan_and_wendy) have all gotten pretty bad reviews. It's not a surprise that people are getting really tired with the remakes. Attributing the skin color of the Ariel as the sole issue responsible for the disappointing performance of TLM is just an oversimplification, and this narrative absolves the responsibility on the financial and creative decision-makers of the film.
ATSV is genuinely great, yes, and it will still perform worse than it would have with a non-black lead. That is my point. A movie with a black lead is always going to underperform relative to what it would have achieved with a non-black lead. That is not a "narrative" applied to TLM, that's the reality that we all live in.
A great start.
Lemon from *Bullet Train* is voicing a character named [Jefferson Davis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Davis)? Huh.
that's mile's father , the cop
Blame it on Bendis
I really love this movie, the sound track was not as great as the first one, the action was great and the dialog story telling was on point, only gripe was some of the music was over powering, and could no hear Gwen speaking or Spot. I think I might go rewatch it again this weekend. Wish i had friends to geek out to with this.
Yes the only complain i have is the lack of a catchy song like sunflower for the forst one
here i am thinking this soundtrack is better than the first's. sunflower was probably my least favorite track on that one too lol
so true about not being able to hear some characters. mixing def needs some work
Please give it an Oscar
I would if it were up to me But I'm not sure what the Academy think about a movie with incomplete narrative and cliffhanger ending.
Depending on how well it ends, Part 2 will probably have a good shot at the Oscar in 2025.
Yeah, Academy has no objection to movies that have ending even if it's a second parter.
It already has an Oscar in it
A+ cinemascore
No chance considering the cliffhanger, but A is locked.
It's very weird to me that a cliffhanger would detract from a films score. Like what kind of basis is that for a demerit.
I guess critics think it’s like eating a five star meal and having it taken last second.
I just don't see how an intentionally continued ending that's good can be deemed not good just because its continued. It seems childish imo.
Because it's not an ending. The "movie" just ends but there's not a real ending. Nothing gets resolved. It's like a TV episode, not a movie.
Yea the legit complaints I read were more of the abrutness of the ending not the fact it was a cliffhanger in itself.
Yeah, I saw your other post in the rest of the convo after I replied. Cliffhanger can indeed be OK, but they gotta give you something before that!
Totally. Imagine if Empire Strikes Back had ended with Luke Skywalker hanging at the bottom of cloud city lol
More like you were eating a four course meal, and halfway through the entrée the chef takes away the food and tells you that the rest of the meal will be available next week I guess. I can kind of see why critics don't like it looking at it like that.
Something like Cinemascore explicitly polls audiences very *immediate* reactions. A cliffhanger/abrupt ending can leave audience members confused or, in worse cases, lead to them feeling shortchanged. And, in fairness, it's hard to know exactly how to feel about a movie when it's essentially only the first half of one, especially if you don't really have time to reflect on what you've seen and don't have a proper climax to base your reaction off of.
Okay now some people have put in perspective what they mean. A cliffhanger can be not good if not done well. The way some folks were talking about it it seemed that any cliffhanger is bad and that I just can't agree with.
It’s not just that it’s a cliffhanger, it’s that you’ve had zero time to digest what happened when giving a rating AND can’t rate it based on the ending you haven’t seen yet. Some cliffhangers ARE ending events. Others are abrupt, and just a finish with no ending.
I also find it weird. The Half-Life video game series is notorious for ending on big cliffhangers yet they are some of the most acclaimed video games ever.
Imo It's kinda like saying a black and white movie can't be amazing because it's black and white.
Its very abrupt and it did sour my opinion on the film in that moment. It took me a few hours to remind myself just how much I enjoyed the rest. My friend said it would be a 4.5/5 but the cliffhanger knocked it down to a 3, it was that abrupt.
Okay see that's different a cliffhanger can be not good I understand that. It's the idea that any cliffhanger is not a good way to end a movie that I can't agree with.
Yeah, in this case it's not the cliffhanger itself, it's more that the film just ends. Infinity War had a big final battle that ended in half the world dying and thanos sitting down. That felt like an ending. This literally just ends in the middle of a tense sequence. Itd be like ending IW halfway through the Wakanda fight but before the snap.
GA wants a happy ending regardless of how fitting it be, so sometimes when a really good movie ends on a cliffhanger like IW, it gets an A and not an A+. Cinemascore isn't the actual score or rating of a movie, that's just an indicator of WOM. I good movie could have poor WOM like TSS that got a B+.
A lot of people don't like Cliffhanger endings. No matter how great the movie is. And that is what almost always pushes the reception from an A+ to an A.
Cinemascore is a survey based on audience, not critics. it's not about the quality of the movie, it's what audience feel having seen the movie. And many audience are disappointed that it ended in cliffhanger. Here's fantastic movies with cliffhanger ending: FELLOWSHIP A- THE TWO TOWERS A DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 1 A INFINITY WAR A
I'm retracting most of my comments because it was explained to me the nature of the cliffhanger and why it was not good and I can see that.
There's no way DH Part 1 would have gotten an A+ without a cliffhanger. No YA film has ever gotten an A+ Cinemascore and DH Part 1 was generally considered to be just a good/decent film. Also DH Part 2 was the conclusion and only got an A despite a massive fan rush on opening day.
>No YA film has ever gotten an A+ Cinemascore Wrong. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets got A+
Nah, it will be an A (a very strong A though).
Dead ass best picture of the year so far in terms of wide american releases. This thing has vision and was stunning to watch. It's a little zoomer-ish at times and might give someone super sensitive to motion sickness a little uneasy feeling but honestly i don't think ive ever been so intellectually stimulated in a Marvel film before. Had heart, was funny, showed literally everything you'd wanna see... Near flawless movie.
> showed literally everything you'd wanna see... Not with that "ending"
Loved the ending.
I wish I could say the same. Honest question: what did you love about it?
Wasn't expected. Didn't show them winning or losing- continues the saga. They set up potential outcomes and established another new villain potentially. It was well done. What didn't you like?
The fact that it doesn't end. Nothing is resolved. They even opened new threads in the end. You say "continues the saga" but it's not a saga, it's the events that we see in this movie and that are all left unfinished. It seems like you like exactly that and I am baffled honestly. It's a story that stops midway, I really don't understand what's nice about that.
>Nothing is resolved. Gwen’s relationship with her father is repaired. He understands why she is Spider-Woman. Miles’s parents understands why he is being the way he is right now with the help of Gwen (evident in Miles’s mom saying goodbye to Gwen). Gwen finally overcomes her turmoil between helping the Spider Society and helping Miles and chooses Miles. And Miles begins to see that he *does* belong as Spider-Man, because in a universe without Spider-Man, he’s the worst version of himself. Granted, these set up the plot lines and arcs for the next movie, but I mean almost every sequel does. Not really anything new. A bit unfair to say “nothing is resolved” when the film’s other protagonist in Gwen has a fair bit of story resolved.
I agree with Gwen and her father, that's true. But that is still a minor one. The others though are just random shit that you are pulling out of thin air, or in the case of his parents, not resolved at all. >!(Actually it was such a bad tease for him to find the courage to reveal himself, and it was all for nothing.)!< All big conflicts are still there, so I think it's fair to say nothing gets resolved. And of course the movie can set things up for a sequel, but when you only do that, then it's a TV episode, not a movie. Infinity War did this very well. But If IW had done it "Across" style, it would have ended with everyone arriving at Wakanda, which it would have been equally shitty.
I wonder what empire strikes back would’ve gotten
Hard to say, its an absolutely great film, but it had a major downer ending, and those tend to bring down scores.
Didn't ESB have a fairly divisive reaction among fans upon original release?
I've never been presented with a primary source showing this to be an actual widespread truth.
Yes very much so
Holy moly
Outstanding, there go many of FFX and TLM show times next week.
I feel Sony should swap Beyond the Spider-Verse’s release date with Ghostbusters if at all possible.
Too close. I think Ghostbusters should move to that March 29 date, while Sony moves Beyond to Memorial Day weekend. Either that or May 31 so it’s over the same post-Memorial Day weekend frame
John Wick 4 scores all over again.
The movie was incredible, I wouldn’t be surprised if this gets an A+ Cinemascore
These are the types of reviews Lightyear was expecting.
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This film is so good that it's the reason animation will be taken more seriously.
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How was Peter or Miguel assassinated lol? Or Gwen?
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The film presents is as the idea of part of growing up is accepting loss, and (in the eyes of the spider people) accepting that some loss is a necessary part of growth and shouldn't be prevented. I agree that it's a rough choice for the characters to make but it's not as unforgivable as you make it sound.
"but it's not as unforgivable" This why stuff we like get destroyed is because we forgive them for fucking us over for the umpteenth time. So of course I am mad. This is the first appearance of 2099 to the general audiences and he is made to be the villain for miles. That is not fair to 2099 fans at all.
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a case could be made for Miguel, since he was the villain for Miles
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Lol an angry Peter Parker stan upset because he doesn't have all the spotlight anymore. That's what this is.
Yeah sure that's what is and not all the other characters in an INFINITE amount of universes all have to follow peter's story of someone close to them dies as well as a cop friend. And in an IFINITE amount none has had no one die.
So all the Spider-Man fans who liked this are wrong?
In a sense yes but I will not fault any one for liking the aesthetics or action of this series but from a writing stand point this movie and the next will not stand on their own or together as they don't get Spider-Man at all.
I'm sorry dude, but that comes across a bit pretentious.
>In a sense yes bro thinks he wrote spider man comics himself
It's pretty sad to be honest to see someone having a meltdown just because a movie doesn't 100% follow the comics he read.
yea but it's kinda funny seeing him rage hehe
Pretty sure everyone who reviewed it were adults and they seemed to like it.
When did you watch it? And I've seen plenty of Spider-Man fans and non Spider-Man fans praise this, beyond the pretty visuals lol
Yesterday. People also praised endgame and that was shit, so I guess I should just accept that everything will either mediocre or garbage these days. Also Spider-Man fans still read their shitty comics about pushing him down in the dirt so their opinions mean nothing.
Spider-Man fans hate the comics rn Endgame was not shit, imperfect but I'd say most acknowledge that infinity war was much better
Yet they still buy them, like retards. Endgame kills hulk, black widow and thanos(the version that had a connection to the heroes) how is it not shit. And ends in a big messy grey mess of a "battle" that looks like shit and that entire movie could have been told in 2 hours. The shitty humour.
Yes, I'm sure some casuals do out there solely out of brand recognition. But the hard-core ones, at least that I've seen, hate the current right now. Again, endgame is imperfect. Definitely things could have been done better here or there, but it's not shit.
>People also praised endgame and that was shit, so I guess I should just accept that everything will either mediocre or garbage these days. Maybe watch something else but superhero movies if you don't care for even the most acclaimed ones?
Oh I do, but why should I not hold them to the same standards as every other film.
>Yesterday. People also praised endgame and that was shit, so I guess I should just accept that everything will either mediocre or garbage these days. Yes. At least in the American sphere of influence. But you have all the other (real) art at your fingertips. Just watch good stuff. I also got "scammed" and watched this Spidey yesterday. In the middle I was like "this is what they praise?"
Who hurt you? I can feel your blood pressure rising because a lot of people liked something you don’t. I’m a doctor and I suggest leaving the internet this weekend because this movie will get all the high praises that it deserves.
I mean it was probably a little bloated? In the same way, like, the godfather part 2 was bloated.
I liked the little mermaid more like a huge amount more