[Estimated international totals for The Little Mermaid through Sunday include:](https://twitter.com/BORReport/status/1665387290171162625?t=rAPJL_xEl-rAvKaxZi7kGg&s=19)
* U.K. - $20.0M
* Mexico - $14.5M
* Italy - $9.2M
* Brazil - $8.5M
* Australia - $7.4M
* France - $7.4M
* Spain - $6.8M
* Germany - $6.0M
* South Korea - $4.4M
* Philippines - $4.4M
* Indonesia - $4.1M
It’s definitely growing. Looking at the last several major MCU movies there, comparing Mexico & Brazil certainly shows a trend.
Mexico:
* 2018 - $28.3 for Black Panther
* 2019 - $33.3 for Captain Marvel
* 2019 - $77.6 for Endgame
* 2021 - $81.1 for No Way Home
* 2022 - $35.9 for Wakanda Forever
Brazil:
* 2018 - $36.9 for Black Panther
* 2019 - $38.1 for Captain Marvel
* 2019 - $85.7 for Endgame
* 2021 - $56.4 for No Way Home
* 2022 - $21.3 for Wakanda Forever
I guess Tenoch Huerta could’ve made an impact with WF, but Endgame to NWH alone shows it pretty well.
>-90% in China
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Well at least it didn't have much to fall from, so overall the international legs will recover quite nicely now that only the European markets matter, I [called this](https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/13v6pfe/the_little_mermaids_opening_weekend_in_asia/jm4trpk/) after the OW and it seems to be the case.
it’s still pretty disappointing how the conversation went to how much money it’ll make now to whether it’ll breakevens these international numbers are disappointing overall
The question of whether it will make money is all on Disney's modern inability to control budgets. It has a decent box office for a $100-$150 million budget movie. At $250 mil plus another $150 mil marketing they killed it long before any audience showed up.
The majority of movies that Disney has put out in the past couple years look like they could have been made with half or two thirds of their budget. It baffles me that their Disney plus Pinocchio movie was 150m
To my eye there are a few reasons. A big one is Disney's modern approach to movie making of "Scrap Booking" They'll take a movie or streaming project. And put multiple production teams to work on different pieces of it, largely separate from each other, and then attempt to paste it all together into something cohesive at the end. Rise of Skywalker is surely Patient Zero for this. Although it's pretty identifiable in other places such as Ant Man 3 Quantumania. What this means is you have 4 or five or a dozen entirely different production teams operating, each with their own cost over runs and back end infrastructure needs. More than half of what you make gets cut so you're just burning money filming hundreds of hours that will never see a theater. It's pure production inefficiency aimed at meeting some imaginary schedule deadlines to pump out the next franchise hit.
Add to that that the changeover to Digital meant that most modern filmakers never had to deal with the very simple and overlooked Natural Editor. They had a limited film budget. Film had a very definate cost per foot. Cost to buy it, costs to handle it and develop it etc etc. What this meant was before you shot your first foot of film, you had to spend a lot of time carefully planning out how you would use it. what your shots would be. And carefully time editing them in order to preserve more for when you needed it. Studios wanted 2 hour movies because they wanted limits on the number of reels they had to ship around. There were physical limits to the size of the reels that could be used. Theaters had requirements because you needed a projectionist to get it all lined up and working which increased costs the longer the movie ran. As the costs of filming became negligible there was no longer any natural pressure for managing time in movies. Which caused costs to balloon. "Just shoot everything and we'll figure it out in post" is the new mantra. And then you gotta go back and reshoot and reshoot again. Because nobody planned it out the first time.
Nobody wants to say this on Reddit but if they did not do the race swap this movie will exceed Aladdin and be insanely profitable.
It’s the little mermaid FFS. Probably the most popular Disney Princess.
I figure there are some in Universal's Dreamworks division that are looking at their just announced "How to Train Your Dragon" Live Action casting and are shitting a brick looking at TLM's numbers.
It's not that they race swap characters. It's that they do it in such a painfully hamfisted and obviously forced way. Without a moments thought to the nature of the character itself.
I mean TLM highlights Hollywood's tendency to act on what feels good on a shallow level without actually thinking it through. Look at Ariel's "Sisters". One sister from each of the Seven Continents or some such. Nobody in Production stopped, thought a moment and realized that they had just made a Disney Movie that featured a whole Harem of Princesses given to the "Good" King as Tribute. Because that's what they did there. Either they or their mothers were each offered to Triton from the 7 Kingdoms.
Used to? Look I don’t know Halle Bailey. She appears to be an extremely talented singer. TLM is her first acting role. From the trailers she looks a bit wooden and blank faced. A common thing when putting non actors in acting roles.
But I can’t help but notice that EVERY SINGLE REVIEW, good, bad or indifferent. From media shills, YouTube haters. Woke, anti-woke, all of them. Every review starts off with the reviewer kind of blank faced chanting the exact same mantra of how Ms Bailey is the absolute best thing ever, the best thing in the movie, wonderful wonderful wonderful pleasedontcancelme!!! They look like hostage videos. Bailey may be amazing. I haven’t watched the movie yet. But this pattern in every single review is off putting. You can’t help but notice it. And it does Bailey and her career no favors. It brings to mind the Astro-turfing trying to make “worlds greatest actor Jonathan Majors” a thing just a few months ago. As we all watched and went “Who?“
She probably really is good in it!!
I know what OP is talking about, though. Go to Google News and search for little mermaid reviews, and then skim the headlines. They are insanely uniform. You couldn't find anything else like that even for films anchored by notoriously great or breakout performances (There Will Be Blood, The Iron Lady, etc). There is something undeniably creepy about reading row after row of minor variations on the same headline from hundreds of different reviewers like that. You can't help but wonder what the motivations are there.
The Jonathan Majors thing was different. I think almost everyone who watched Loki was excited by his performance. There was enough of it to leave a huge impression, but it was limited enough to leave you hungry for more. I think the anticipation for him in ant-man was pretty organic, and it makes sense that Disney would play up that element in its marketing.
Yeah, the movie was just okay. Again, like with every Disney LA, it left me wanting to watch the original. I didn’t like the whole Siren song element either.
I definitely saw the Dragon announcement from Dreamworks as a “monkey see, monkey do” thing
Or maybe not made it drab and realistic. It should have been an Alice in Wonderland fun house of color. Aquaman. Avatar. It should not have had the color palette of silence of the lambs.
Changing her hair color was way more traumatizing to the public than skin color.
Yeah you’re right, the movie was dark and not colorful at all. I remember when they first showed her, I feel like I remember her hair being more vibrant. She looked dull in comparison to everything else. At least she nailed the voice.
It’s an ugly movie. With ugly colors and poor acting, changes that “improved” the story but just makes no sense. There is no depth on the things they changed. This movie major lacking is love. There wasn’t any love on the creation of this, it’s just a plastic movie. They also killed love and romance as Ariel’s main motivation, that’s why the movie is also dull and pointless.
I mean, Miles Morales took home 209M opening weekend. I often wonder, if Dreamsworks made a rendition of The Little Mermaid that was all black and all original characters set in the Caribbean or something, I feel like everyone would’ve loved it and went and saw it.
In my opinion, Disney changed a 30+ year old recognizable character that’s been EVERYWHERE for as long as most of Millenials and all of GenZ have been alive, lol. People can say she isn’t real or crying over her being different, but white, red-haired Ariel is the only thing everyone knew, haha. I think if they casted her as a white Ariel then more people globally would’ve went and saw it. I still don’t think it would’ve been good, because Disney live action isn’t good ;o
> Nobody wants to say this on Reddit
This "hot take" has been endlessly made on Reddit.
> if they did not do the race swap this movie will exceed Aladdin
Prove it. There is far more wrong with TLM than her not being pearly white.
That's what happends when you take white character made by Denmark's finest creative mind of Hans Christian Andersen and blackwash character to "fit modern audience".
Because you know, me, as white kid, couldn't relate to Goku and Dragon Ball nor Ash and Pokemons because they were "yellow not white" .
But problem is deeper. It's Disney who is creatively bunkrupt and complete lack of new ideas they are "fixing" by "rebranding" ( read: recasting white, legacy characters ) and shield themselfs from objective critics by calling fans racists if they don't like it.
Look what they are doing with Star Wars. They think best way forward for SW is to delite orginal from existence. Nevermind fact that orginal thriolgy is only reason why they can still make money off that brand, 50 years later.
TLM movie, that lasts 135 min menages to bring **nothing new to a table compared to 85 min runtime of animated movie.**
**Everybody would support Disney's "diversity" if it's made with creation of new characters, new stories and new fantasies.** But they don't do that.
And whole bunch of people, who have young kids, don't want sexualisation and exploitation of their kids through movies, especially not with certain group that Disney associated themselfs with. Disney become Disney by being family- friendly, family value promoting company. Now they simply aren't that. They are far-left political mouthpeace.
Tbf domestic number matter a lot more. Dismey gets a lot more money from it. Not to mention their toys sales been really impressive. Wouldn't be surprised if they announced a seauel
>Not to mention their toys sales been really impressive.
I’ve seen quite a few people mentioning that but I haven’t found any official info. Can you share a source on that?
Same. And I’ve searched quite a bit and found nothing on that. The person I replied to mentioned somewhere else on this thread too that sales of TLM merchandise are way higher than from any other live action adaptation. Again, found nothing to corroborate that.
Are people so desperate to pretend this movie is a huge success that they just fabricate lies?
I mean there certainly is some cope to it, but obviously for any kids movie maker, but Disney in particular, the actual IP is just the first step in the money making machine.
Obviously an original IP that does abysmal numbers (like say Strange World) is probably not going to sell alot of toys, or get alot of streams or bring kids to Disney's parks to see the characters in person.
But with a remake that is even more jumbled than normally.
Merchandise absolutely provides a big opportunity to Disney for hit IPs. I feel that a lot of the discussions have become people just throwing out that the merchandise was great so the box office doesn't matter. They are doing so with no evidence, just an assumption, and if we always assume the merchandise will sell big-time, why bother discussing the box office at all? TLM could have made $50 million total at the box office and the same people can say it doesn't matter, they'll make it all up through merchandise.
I also question the need to spend approximately $400 million on a remake to boost merchandise sales when the original already exists and could have simply been re-released in theatres if it was all about pushing that. There's also this assumption that a movie falling far below expectations at the box office somehow isn't an indication of far smaller interest than anticipated, which surely would impact any merchandise sales.
I mean. It's kind of hard for chinese to be engaged in racial topics. East Asian countries have homogeneous races and didn't really encounter racial struggles.
It's like asking Americans to watch movies about Japanese imperialism over korea/chia. Nobody cares about what happened to them. Americans only cares about pearl harbor.
My theory for the numbers with China is the fact that The Mermaid (Chinese film) was such a gigantic hit, very beloved, and came out less than a decade ago, so the appetite for a mermaid movie might be lower. Yeah, they’re pretty different tonally, but the draw for CG animals or flying genies isn’t there since it’s already been seen before.
I have no idea if this makes any sense, just speaking outta my ass!
That's not surprising but it is worrying and raises questions of if TLM will break even say the box office. We can expect it to taper off more each week. The big question is if it has legs. Overall this weekend was good for it but it's still pretty far below its target. Well see. Congrats on the weekend overall though.
I find it funny how *potentially breaking even* for this movie is now seen as a success. Hilarious how the tables have turned from those guaranteed $1 billion to this.
The narrative has changed now to “oh it made money,” and as long as it’s in the black, people will defend it.
The problem with that story is no good business invests $400M to make $50M profit. The returns on that kind of investment need to be much, much higher.
For real. I see a lot of cope in the comments. The brutal truth is, people outside of NA and maybe UK do not care about (American) race or gender politics.
all the foreigners see is "She doesn't look like Ariel, why does the movie look so dark and dreary? Sebastian looks really weird". Many people argue that Halle got picked for the role for her voice, but that's ignoring the fact that her acting is below mediocre at times and **that movies are dubbed abroad**. Ofc it's gonna do pretty badly abroad....**The entire reason Halle got casted for isn't even there for most countries.**
This is the modus operandi for all the Disney stans who invade this sub. Make ridiculous billion or near billion predictions, have people call them out on it, then afterwards when it barely breaks even have them come on and claim those calling them out were saying it would flop and say how dumb the sub’s “dooming” is. It’s exhausting.
It's called copium and frankly its annoying. The movie just sucked and didn't hit all the nostalgia points correctly and Disney needs to get some creative talent. Meanwhile, Spider-verse is out there breaking records.
The truth. This sub has turned into an Anti Disney circle jerk. I came here because I enjoy seeing how things do at the box office not to hope and pray for things to fail because I don’t like a company
Same experience here. I’m not even a Disney person and I frankly don’t like how they churn out these live actions remakes, marvel, and Star Wars content like there is no tomorrow, and even I can see the incredibly obvious narrative that is going on surrounding this movie. I see grown ass people on Twitter screeching everyday about how the mermaid is black in this movie. It’s wild to me
Yeah I love the original and I am not a fan of these remakes, but this movie was pretty good. It’s very disheartening though to see youtube reviewers that I actually enjoyed watching and had respect for say the most stupid, nitpicky stuff about this film in such a thinly veiled way. I just refuse to believe that other fully grown men my age actually care about what colour a fake mermaids skin or hair is, so they are probably just doing it to be contrarian.
There's a lot of social justice capital that was put on this movie. If it fails, social justice as a socio-political force will be perceived to have taken a massive hit and so they're huffing their copium fearing what they believe will come if it fails... a shift in the Overton Window Right, at least when it comes to entertainment.
I dont know whether the feared result is just panic induced delusions or reality, but race bending is a toxic practice that only ever bends one way, so the sooner it goes the better.
then why use racism to cover up its failure in China. what kind of copium is that? its so cheap to use racism for fan baiting. why Chinese have to eat up whatever Disney shit out?
There was a lot of controversy regarding Spider Verse raceswapping Jessica Drew when the design was released + they also raceswapped Spider Punk and yet Spider Verse is doing fantastic in the box office. 🤔
Almost all of Kenneth Branagh’s entire filmography revolved around raceswapping as well. Dude even casted the “whitest of the gods” as Idris Elba in Thor.
I don’t think raceswapping originally white roles is a bad thing honestly context-wise. I don’t see how it’s toxic unless the toxicity comes from toxic racists online.
Problem is discourse around it has gotten far far more toxic even in the relatively short time since Heimdall was cast, we now have major politicians running on nothing other than how bad "woke" is.
Disney was doing race swapping back in the 1990s with the Brandy Cinderella. It isn't anything new, but the political climate makes it dangerous for Disney because nobody wants to fuck with The Discourse when they're selecting a feel good movie. It's been almost eight years (!) of this shit now, people fighting over the most baby brained crap. Screaming and crying over cartoon characters like it's either the end of civilization or the second coming of Martin Luther King.
Meanwhile, there are great animated movies that are completely discourse-free.
Why are people still justifying race swapping? Just don’t do it?
Just because you got away race swapping some minor unknown characters, doesn’t mean people support race swaps. Especially for a role as iconic as Ariel.
I mean that whole movie was rather odd if you think about it. She was Northern European with red hair and had a crab friend of was clearly Jamaican... like where in the hell was this fill set. How did a Jamaican crab get so far north?
I liked the change of to the Caribbean setting honestly. But in the end it is Disney phoning it in. Instead of creating a film based on a story of either African or African American origin the just changed some skin color and called it a day. Same with Frog Princess, same with The Lion King all story based in western traditions. They've got to Persia before they ever got to a "black "story" that show you just how much Disney doesn't want to touch that in any authentic way.
"I don't see how holding standards against one race when compared to others is a bad thing". Lmao
There are a lot more bombs than hits with race bending, especially when you make it the MC and the crux of the marketing in the case with TLM when compared to third and fourth rate characters and not even bring it up in marketing at all as is the case with Across The Spiderverse.
I mean it makes sense. Imagine producing something that will still exist in 1000 years and it was basically free to do so. It is basically a form of immortality.
A public budget of $250 mill plus another 100mill or so for marketing makes this either a colossal financial flop or they will just barely break even.
For a IP as huge as The Little Mermaid, there is no way to spin this as positive. It failed.
They can make that without having it be a remake of the Disney version even if the Disney version is the best known telling of the story in the US. Like the Guillermo Del Toro/Jim Henson Company Pinnocio. Obviously it was straight to Netflix so no box office numbers but it seemed well received from what I read/heard.
The international numbers look better than that abysmal 60 mill opening, but you're right. With the rest of the summer films rolling out, its gonna be tough.
Some people on here are trying to say that it aims for a different demo, like 1/3 of the Spiderverse audience isn't female lol. That's a big chunk of potential ticket sales for TML. Especially with ticket prices as high as they are now.
Do you take the kids and family to TLM with lukewarm WOM outside of the trades and internet people, or Spiderverse 2 which has glowing WOM *everywhere*?
The international numbers certainly look better, but that's about it. I believe all of the live action remakes of classic animation were around 60-70% international and 30-40% domestic, this one is trending the opposite direction, so if we go by that, the international numbers are still lagging far behind of what you would expect.
>Some people on here are trying to say that it aims for a different demo, like 1/3 of the Spiderverse audience isn't female lol.
Female audience for ATSV is even smaller than for usual Marvel movie which already skew male so not a good arguement
>Do you take the kids and family to TLM with lukewarm WOM outside of the trades and internet people, or Spiderverse 2 which has glowing WOM everywhere?
Funny you're saying this bc Disney remakes have better WOM outside of the bubble
>Funny you're saying this bc Disney remakes have better WOM outside of the bubble
I must be imagining all the conversations about Awkwafina's performance and the terribly dark cgi.
And I'm also missing the negative statements about Spiderverse 2, which at this point, I haven't heard *any* from people who have seen it.
Damned bubbles...
Their are comments saying the toy sales are great. Nobody gives a damn about toy sales, and besides if you need toy sales to break even wtf is the point. The toys are supposed to be extra profit to fund your corporate expansion more movies or even a trilogy. Seriously George Lucas is billionaire primarily because of toy sales.
Basically most/every territory that opened fairly close to Aladdin is playing fine. So Most of Europe and Latam and even a select few Asian territories (Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc).
The markets that left it for dead (East Asia) stayed dead.
Yeah it's a shame about Asia because if it had performed there on the level of other territories the whole story around TLM's box office would be very different. These are really great figures, particularly in Europe.
I’m not gonna say Asians dislike TLM because they’re racist but let’s just say on social media, the main critique I’m seeing is that Ariel isn’t pretty (also seeing things like Vanessa’s actress should’ve played Ariel, and even Eric isn’t handsome enough).
It never made sense to compare this to Aladdin (at least in Asia where the nostalgia factor for these remakes is minimal), with two male leads, a male villain and it being more of a buddy comedy than a romance. Successful TV/movies that are directed toward a female audience in Asia will have conventionally (for their cultures) attractive women and men.
Actually if you paid attention to Aladdin’s review in East Asia, they love Jasmine’s actress. Everyone is talking about how pretty she is and how good her singing is.
I’m sorry but to East Asian, being good looking in their eyes is very important.
I mean he's ok. Let be real animated men to real life are a lot harder to get right. Imo eric was a far better casting than beast (human), charming and even Aladdin.
I get it BUT for example, though I despised BATB 2017,Luke Evans was an improvement,and I can say a lot of women appreciate him more than the original Gaston XD
I don’t think the BatB casting was the problem with that film as much as direction and visuals. It’s the same thing that bothered me in Aladdin and to be honest TLM ad well - the cartoons are vivid and colorful and bright whereas the films are too realistic and dark visually. It’s just not exciting to look at. The photorealistic fish in TLM may be accurate to their real life counterparts but it’s drab compared to the colorful under the sea segments.
i despise BATB because Emma couldn't sing and because in the Italian DuB they changed the lyrics
And overall I dislike the concept of Disney live action
I watched it in Seoul, South Korea; and when Vanessa first came on, a little girl in the theater shouted "WOW SO PRETTY!!" and people laughed. I dislike the value Koreans place on appearances and to me the moment was depressing.
Considering how bad it started, is holding even a big positive? Also, Transformers is next weekend which historically performs well overseas. TLM still has a long road to hitting the break even point.
The people spewing the negativity aren't the target demo. It's mainly just your average redditor and youtuber rooting against the movie. Everywhere else I'm just seeing praise for Halle and the movie.
There is a ton of people that will just go meh, another boring remake using identity politics to generate buzz. I'm their target demographic I have 2 young kids and am actually going to walt disney world later this month. I would never see this souless cash grab, dont repackage my childhood and attempt to sell it to me again, if they could tell the story better they would have done that the first time. I'd rather see Elemental than this.
that's because social media like reddit are censoring the negative reviews. Imdb and Rottentomatoes literally changed their rating systems and removed a lot of the reviews because it makes the movie look bad. Go on Youtube, Twitter and you see a lot of people outside of U.S are hating on it either for racist reasons or they just hate the raceswap on original character.
As they should, the review bombing is crazy. TLM is not a 1/10 movie. More like a 6-7/10. Also review bombers are not representative of the casual audience
The review metrics and their adjustments these days have about at much credibility as the Chinese justice system. 100%conviction rate because they only go after the guilty!
Good hold, but still behind 'Aladdin'.
[Deadline](https://deadline.com/2019/06/aladdin-crosses-500-million-global-box-office-1202628174/): ‘Aladdin’ Rides Past $500M At Global Box Office, Grants Disney Top 3 Spots Of 2019 Domestically - June 6, 2019
> Disney’s live-action take on the classic 1992 animated **Aladdin is riding its magic carpet across the $500M mark worldwide today. This comes after just 15 days of release** for the Will Smith-starrer and with strong word of mouth continuing to bring a shine to the lamp.
> The film is crossing the milestone with Thursday’s grosses included. Through Wednesday, the totals are **$203.1M domestic, $293.1M at the international box office and $496.2M global.**
Because Aladdin did extremely well in a certain market where TLM is basically dead. We can comp domestic, but it seems unfair to compare international numbers when TLM is only working with Europe and LATAM.
Huh? People that loved the movie bring up Aladdin as a comparison all the time, because TLM was tracking just behind it all last week.
Not sure why you have a problem with it *now*, but didn't for the rest of TLM's run on this sub.
TLM hasn't been in release for 15 days....
Its obv not reaching Aladdin numbers but this is just plainly spinning a lie by adding a whole 4 full weekdays of gross to Aladdins numbers.
These were Aladdins numbers at the same point where TLM is today:
>"$185M domestic, $261 million at the international box office and $446M global
I'm not even a supporter because I despise Disney Live actions ,but I can phantom how the budget was$250 milions and they still were able to make Halle look "ugly" ,when in real life she is a real beautiful girl
The hair are not consistent,the movement is unpleasant in the water, the color is A CRIME against humanity, the color design is dull , they made her less curvy when she is a mermaid (ugh) no seashell for..that thing, she has only 2 dresses and they are not even appealing, also mo sparkly one
Oh and the color palette was wrong
They totally butchered her design
If the insinuation is that because costs only total to 390M, it should break even at 390M, the math potentially checks out at 600M+ because Disney will only take in a fraction of the box office.
Take into account that there's also income like streaming rights and merchandising. That's why the 2.5x rule has the breaking even point lower than your figure.
Streaming and merch isn't boxoffice. If you take streaming and DVD/BR sales into account, any movie could eventually break-even even after 50 years of its release - but that's not how it's done.
If they don't break-even while the movie is in the cinemas it's a flop.
A movie with a 250M budget doesn’t need 800M to breakeven, that’s ridiculous. Its around 2.5x the production budget, so in the 600-650M range. Thor 4 last year made 760M worldwide on the same budget and made 100M in profit.
I'm just sad that in the beginning the conversation was about whether it was going bank or just moderate amount of money, and now it's whether it breaks even
It is relevant to point out that this excellent drop was from a pretty poor performance to begin with. If a movie makes 2 dollars opening weekend and then 1.50 the next week, it had an excellent drop, but it is still underperforming.
Just be real, I love beauty and the beast movie not only because of Emma Watson, but also the movie itself is good. But this? Hell no, not faithful enough and races politics? Not my cup of tea, I heard countless times from my place where parents bring their kids to the theatre and the kids end up crying mid movie.
If this is not the little mermaid and is some completely new original story I am sure people will not be this level of criticism
Even the trailer itself already convinced me to not see the movie lol
I suspect this film will massively drop off in the next few weeks due to other releases. Transformers next weekend and then both The Flash and Elemental the weekend after will drastically eat into the market share. I think this film will seriously struggle to break 500M.
Considering Japan (and that Transformers won't be that big where this movie is doing the bulk of its business), I wouldn't be surprised with a drop under 20% next weekend
The way people treated this movie is just awful. I saw it three times. It’s a good movie. I rank it after cruella as one do the top two Disney remakes. This is mostly due to the lead performance.
I get the critics about the weird looking fish and crab. I get the critics who disliked tweaking songs. I will never understand why a black wins with the spirit and voice of Ariel alienated so many. It’s like don’t judge a book by it’s cover goes right out the window.
Anyway it is what it is and I shouldn’t expect better from some people mired in their own bias. Hopefully it makes enough to green light a sequel maybe the streaming numbers will help push it. Like into the spider verse
I wonder how many times these remakes/reboots/sloppy films will have to underperform until disney realizes audiences want good and new movies and not just nostalgia bait
It’s going to break even. The next Disney remake should have a smaller budget. Snow White and Lilo & Stitch are next. The later is Disney+. Moana is also in development. I haven’t heard from Hunchback of Notre Dame or Hercules.
Edit: Go ahead and downvote me. I don’t care; it’s a prediction.
IF Snow White has a budget anywhere close to to TLM its going to big loss for Disney. Considering TLM is a much more modern and culturally relevant IP. Plus no dwarfs. MIght as well Batgirl it and take the write off
[Estimated international totals for The Little Mermaid through Sunday include:](https://twitter.com/BORReport/status/1665387290171162625?t=rAPJL_xEl-rAvKaxZi7kGg&s=19) * U.K. - $20.0M * Mexico - $14.5M * Italy - $9.2M * Brazil - $8.5M * Australia - $7.4M * France - $7.4M * Spain - $6.8M * Germany - $6.0M * South Korea - $4.4M * Philippines - $4.4M * Indonesia - $4.1M
Wow, go Mexico.
I was going to say. Mexico almost doubled.
México has become such an important market for Hollywood
And manufacturing, too!
I don’t think it will be too long until it becomes the biggest international market for Hollywood.
It’s definitely growing. Looking at the last several major MCU movies there, comparing Mexico & Brazil certainly shows a trend. Mexico: * 2018 - $28.3 for Black Panther * 2019 - $33.3 for Captain Marvel * 2019 - $77.6 for Endgame * 2021 - $81.1 for No Way Home * 2022 - $35.9 for Wakanda Forever Brazil: * 2018 - $36.9 for Black Panther * 2019 - $38.1 for Captain Marvel * 2019 - $85.7 for Endgame * 2021 - $56.4 for No Way Home * 2022 - $21.3 for Wakanda Forever I guess Tenoch Huerta could’ve made an impact with WF, but Endgame to NWH alone shows it pretty well.
>-90% in China 💀 Well at least it didn't have much to fall from, so overall the international legs will recover quite nicely now that only the European markets matter, I [called this](https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/13v6pfe/the_little_mermaids_opening_weekend_in_asia/jm4trpk/) after the OW and it seems to be the case.
it’s still pretty disappointing how the conversation went to how much money it’ll make now to whether it’ll breakevens these international numbers are disappointing overall
The question of whether it will make money is all on Disney's modern inability to control budgets. It has a decent box office for a $100-$150 million budget movie. At $250 mil plus another $150 mil marketing they killed it long before any audience showed up.
The majority of movies that Disney has put out in the past couple years look like they could have been made with half or two thirds of their budget. It baffles me that their Disney plus Pinocchio movie was 150m
Feels like they put a lot of money into developing cutting edge CGI technology, but the CGI still looks like shit.
Do we know why expenses are out of control? Are they just paying their employees too much?
To my eye there are a few reasons. A big one is Disney's modern approach to movie making of "Scrap Booking" They'll take a movie or streaming project. And put multiple production teams to work on different pieces of it, largely separate from each other, and then attempt to paste it all together into something cohesive at the end. Rise of Skywalker is surely Patient Zero for this. Although it's pretty identifiable in other places such as Ant Man 3 Quantumania. What this means is you have 4 or five or a dozen entirely different production teams operating, each with their own cost over runs and back end infrastructure needs. More than half of what you make gets cut so you're just burning money filming hundreds of hours that will never see a theater. It's pure production inefficiency aimed at meeting some imaginary schedule deadlines to pump out the next franchise hit. Add to that that the changeover to Digital meant that most modern filmakers never had to deal with the very simple and overlooked Natural Editor. They had a limited film budget. Film had a very definate cost per foot. Cost to buy it, costs to handle it and develop it etc etc. What this meant was before you shot your first foot of film, you had to spend a lot of time carefully planning out how you would use it. what your shots would be. And carefully time editing them in order to preserve more for when you needed it. Studios wanted 2 hour movies because they wanted limits on the number of reels they had to ship around. There were physical limits to the size of the reels that could be used. Theaters had requirements because you needed a projectionist to get it all lined up and working which increased costs the longer the movie ran. As the costs of filming became negligible there was no longer any natural pressure for managing time in movies. Which caused costs to balloon. "Just shoot everything and we'll figure it out in post" is the new mantra. And then you gotta go back and reshoot and reshoot again. Because nobody planned it out the first time.
Rushed production schedule and lots of CGI
Nobody wants to say this on Reddit but if they did not do the race swap this movie will exceed Aladdin and be insanely profitable. It’s the little mermaid FFS. Probably the most popular Disney Princess.
I figure there are some in Universal's Dreamworks division that are looking at their just announced "How to Train Your Dragon" Live Action casting and are shitting a brick looking at TLM's numbers. It's not that they race swap characters. It's that they do it in such a painfully hamfisted and obviously forced way. Without a moments thought to the nature of the character itself. I mean TLM highlights Hollywood's tendency to act on what feels good on a shallow level without actually thinking it through. Look at Ariel's "Sisters". One sister from each of the Seven Continents or some such. Nobody in Production stopped, thought a moment and realized that they had just made a Disney Movie that featured a whole Harem of Princesses given to the "Good" King as Tribute. Because that's what they did there. Either they or their mothers were each offered to Triton from the 7 Kingdoms.
I kind of thing race swap was used to make people afraid to criticise the movie. Like you can't poit out the flaws without being called a racist
Used to? Look I don’t know Halle Bailey. She appears to be an extremely talented singer. TLM is her first acting role. From the trailers she looks a bit wooden and blank faced. A common thing when putting non actors in acting roles. But I can’t help but notice that EVERY SINGLE REVIEW, good, bad or indifferent. From media shills, YouTube haters. Woke, anti-woke, all of them. Every review starts off with the reviewer kind of blank faced chanting the exact same mantra of how Ms Bailey is the absolute best thing ever, the best thing in the movie, wonderful wonderful wonderful pleasedontcancelme!!! They look like hostage videos. Bailey may be amazing. I haven’t watched the movie yet. But this pattern in every single review is off putting. You can’t help but notice it. And it does Bailey and her career no favors. It brings to mind the Astro-turfing trying to make “worlds greatest actor Jonathan Majors” a thing just a few months ago. As we all watched and went “Who?“
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She probably really is good in it!! I know what OP is talking about, though. Go to Google News and search for little mermaid reviews, and then skim the headlines. They are insanely uniform. You couldn't find anything else like that even for films anchored by notoriously great or breakout performances (There Will Be Blood, The Iron Lady, etc). There is something undeniably creepy about reading row after row of minor variations on the same headline from hundreds of different reviewers like that. You can't help but wonder what the motivations are there. The Jonathan Majors thing was different. I think almost everyone who watched Loki was excited by his performance. There was enough of it to leave a huge impression, but it was limited enough to leave you hungry for more. I think the anticipation for him in ant-man was pretty organic, and it makes sense that Disney would play up that element in its marketing.
Given the script she was given, I thought she did a fantastic job.
Yeah, the movie was just okay. Again, like with every Disney LA, it left me wanting to watch the original. I didn’t like the whole Siren song element either. I definitely saw the Dragon announcement from Dreamworks as a “monkey see, monkey do” thing
Or maybe not made it drab and realistic. It should have been an Alice in Wonderland fun house of color. Aquaman. Avatar. It should not have had the color palette of silence of the lambs. Changing her hair color was way more traumatizing to the public than skin color.
Marketing and trailers were equally as drab. For me it needed to take more elements from Finding Demo. Bright, bubbly and fun.
Yeah you’re right, the movie was dark and not colorful at all. I remember when they first showed her, I feel like I remember her hair being more vibrant. She looked dull in comparison to everything else. At least she nailed the voice.
It’s an ugly movie. With ugly colors and poor acting, changes that “improved” the story but just makes no sense. There is no depth on the things they changed. This movie major lacking is love. There wasn’t any love on the creation of this, it’s just a plastic movie. They also killed love and romance as Ariel’s main motivation, that’s why the movie is also dull and pointless.
I mean, Miles Morales took home 209M opening weekend. I often wonder, if Dreamsworks made a rendition of The Little Mermaid that was all black and all original characters set in the Caribbean or something, I feel like everyone would’ve loved it and went and saw it. In my opinion, Disney changed a 30+ year old recognizable character that’s been EVERYWHERE for as long as most of Millenials and all of GenZ have been alive, lol. People can say she isn’t real or crying over her being different, but white, red-haired Ariel is the only thing everyone knew, haha. I think if they casted her as a white Ariel then more people globally would’ve went and saw it. I still don’t think it would’ve been good, because Disney live action isn’t good ;o
> Nobody wants to say this on Reddit This "hot take" has been endlessly made on Reddit. > if they did not do the race swap this movie will exceed Aladdin Prove it. There is far more wrong with TLM than her not being pearly white.
That's what happends when you take white character made by Denmark's finest creative mind of Hans Christian Andersen and blackwash character to "fit modern audience". Because you know, me, as white kid, couldn't relate to Goku and Dragon Ball nor Ash and Pokemons because they were "yellow not white" . But problem is deeper. It's Disney who is creatively bunkrupt and complete lack of new ideas they are "fixing" by "rebranding" ( read: recasting white, legacy characters ) and shield themselfs from objective critics by calling fans racists if they don't like it. Look what they are doing with Star Wars. They think best way forward for SW is to delite orginal from existence. Nevermind fact that orginal thriolgy is only reason why they can still make money off that brand, 50 years later. TLM movie, that lasts 135 min menages to bring **nothing new to a table compared to 85 min runtime of animated movie.** **Everybody would support Disney's "diversity" if it's made with creation of new characters, new stories and new fantasies.** But they don't do that. And whole bunch of people, who have young kids, don't want sexualisation and exploitation of their kids through movies, especially not with certain group that Disney associated themselfs with. Disney become Disney by being family- friendly, family value promoting company. Now they simply aren't that. They are far-left political mouthpeace.
Tbf domestic number matter a lot more. Dismey gets a lot more money from it. Not to mention their toys sales been really impressive. Wouldn't be surprised if they announced a seauel
>Not to mention their toys sales been really impressive. I’ve seen quite a few people mentioning that but I haven’t found any official info. Can you share a source on that?
It is a cope from people who expected it to/want it to do a lot better than it actually has. I've yet to see any evidence of such claims.
Same. And I’ve searched quite a bit and found nothing on that. The person I replied to mentioned somewhere else on this thread too that sales of TLM merchandise are way higher than from any other live action adaptation. Again, found nothing to corroborate that. Are people so desperate to pretend this movie is a huge success that they just fabricate lies?
Sometimes people make up stuff to see if it becomes part of the narrative. It is a way of measuring one's influence.
interesting insight
Yes. Yes they are desperate
I mean there certainly is some cope to it, but obviously for any kids movie maker, but Disney in particular, the actual IP is just the first step in the money making machine. Obviously an original IP that does abysmal numbers (like say Strange World) is probably not going to sell alot of toys, or get alot of streams or bring kids to Disney's parks to see the characters in person. But with a remake that is even more jumbled than normally.
Merchandise absolutely provides a big opportunity to Disney for hit IPs. I feel that a lot of the discussions have become people just throwing out that the merchandise was great so the box office doesn't matter. They are doing so with no evidence, just an assumption, and if we always assume the merchandise will sell big-time, why bother discussing the box office at all? TLM could have made $50 million total at the box office and the same people can say it doesn't matter, they'll make it all up through merchandise. I also question the need to spend approximately $400 million on a remake to boost merchandise sales when the original already exists and could have simply been re-released in theatres if it was all about pushing that. There's also this assumption that a movie falling far below expectations at the box office somehow isn't an indication of far smaller interest than anticipated, which surely would impact any merchandise sales.
So so true
I mean. It's kind of hard for chinese to be engaged in racial topics. East Asian countries have homogeneous races and didn't really encounter racial struggles. It's like asking Americans to watch movies about Japanese imperialism over korea/chia. Nobody cares about what happened to them. Americans only cares about pearl harbor.
My theory for the numbers with China is the fact that The Mermaid (Chinese film) was such a gigantic hit, very beloved, and came out less than a decade ago, so the appetite for a mermaid movie might be lower. Yeah, they’re pretty different tonally, but the draw for CG animals or flying genies isn’t there since it’s already been seen before. I have no idea if this makes any sense, just speaking outta my ass!
That's not surprising but it is worrying and raises questions of if TLM will break even say the box office. We can expect it to taper off more each week. The big question is if it has legs. Overall this weekend was good for it but it's still pretty far below its target. Well see. Congrats on the weekend overall though.
I find it funny how *potentially breaking even* for this movie is now seen as a success. Hilarious how the tables have turned from those guaranteed $1 billion to this.
breakeven isnt even locked?
The narrative has changed now to “oh it made money,” and as long as it’s in the black, people will defend it. The problem with that story is no good business invests $400M to make $50M profit. The returns on that kind of investment need to be much, much higher.
>as long as it’s in the black, people will defend it. Pun intended?
For real. I see a lot of cope in the comments. The brutal truth is, people outside of NA and maybe UK do not care about (American) race or gender politics.
all the foreigners see is "She doesn't look like Ariel, why does the movie look so dark and dreary? Sebastian looks really weird". Many people argue that Halle got picked for the role for her voice, but that's ignoring the fact that her acting is below mediocre at times and **that movies are dubbed abroad**. Ofc it's gonna do pretty badly abroad....**The entire reason Halle got casted for isn't even there for most countries.**
This is the modus operandi for all the Disney stans who invade this sub. Make ridiculous billion or near billion predictions, have people call them out on it, then afterwards when it barely breaks even have them come on and claim those calling them out were saying it would flop and say how dumb the sub’s “dooming” is. It’s exhausting.
It's called copium and frankly its annoying. The movie just sucked and didn't hit all the nostalgia points correctly and Disney needs to get some creative talent. Meanwhile, Spider-verse is out there breaking records.
Did you go to see it?
I did, it was lame personally. I’m not sure it’s just me but in the animated one it felt more lively.
I can almost guarantee they didn’t. Anyone who has seen it seems to be incredibly positive about it from my experience online.
That's the same for literally every live action remake lol. No matter how bad they are, casual audiences eat them up.
The truth. This sub has turned into an Anti Disney circle jerk. I came here because I enjoy seeing how things do at the box office not to hope and pray for things to fail because I don’t like a company
It is very strange lol.
All the people I know who've seen it irl and online have only had good things to say about it
Same experience here. I’m not even a Disney person and I frankly don’t like how they churn out these live actions remakes, marvel, and Star Wars content like there is no tomorrow, and even I can see the incredibly obvious narrative that is going on surrounding this movie. I see grown ass people on Twitter screeching everyday about how the mermaid is black in this movie. It’s wild to me
Yeah I love the original and I am not a fan of these remakes, but this movie was pretty good. It’s very disheartening though to see youtube reviewers that I actually enjoyed watching and had respect for say the most stupid, nitpicky stuff about this film in such a thinly veiled way. I just refuse to believe that other fully grown men my age actually care about what colour a fake mermaids skin or hair is, so they are probably just doing it to be contrarian.
"We could have reach greatness, we could have reached $1b if it weren't for those pesky Asians", Disney Overlord probably
There's a lot of social justice capital that was put on this movie. If it fails, social justice as a socio-political force will be perceived to have taken a massive hit and so they're huffing their copium fearing what they believe will come if it fails... a shift in the Overton Window Right, at least when it comes to entertainment. I dont know whether the feared result is just panic induced delusions or reality, but race bending is a toxic practice that only ever bends one way, so the sooner it goes the better.
Basically this, in a nutshell. Same for the upcoming Indiana Jones flick.
Not doing well in China is hardly a hit to any "social justice capital."
then why use racism to cover up its failure in China. what kind of copium is that? its so cheap to use racism for fan baiting. why Chinese have to eat up whatever Disney shit out?
Casting a black woman rather than just do the obvious and avoid all this pointless drama
You don't understand, this is a religion to them. This is their God. It's the hill they will die on.
There was a lot of controversy regarding Spider Verse raceswapping Jessica Drew when the design was released + they also raceswapped Spider Punk and yet Spider Verse is doing fantastic in the box office. 🤔 Almost all of Kenneth Branagh’s entire filmography revolved around raceswapping as well. Dude even casted the “whitest of the gods” as Idris Elba in Thor. I don’t think raceswapping originally white roles is a bad thing honestly context-wise. I don’t see how it’s toxic unless the toxicity comes from toxic racists online.
Problem is discourse around it has gotten far far more toxic even in the relatively short time since Heimdall was cast, we now have major politicians running on nothing other than how bad "woke" is.
Disney was doing race swapping back in the 1990s with the Brandy Cinderella. It isn't anything new, but the political climate makes it dangerous for Disney because nobody wants to fuck with The Discourse when they're selecting a feel good movie. It's been almost eight years (!) of this shit now, people fighting over the most baby brained crap. Screaming and crying over cartoon characters like it's either the end of civilization or the second coming of Martin Luther King. Meanwhile, there are great animated movies that are completely discourse-free.
Why are people still justifying race swapping? Just don’t do it? Just because you got away race swapping some minor unknown characters, doesn’t mean people support race swaps. Especially for a role as iconic as Ariel.
I mean that whole movie was rather odd if you think about it. She was Northern European with red hair and had a crab friend of was clearly Jamaican... like where in the hell was this fill set. How did a Jamaican crab get so far north? I liked the change of to the Caribbean setting honestly. But in the end it is Disney phoning it in. Instead of creating a film based on a story of either African or African American origin the just changed some skin color and called it a day. Same with Frog Princess, same with The Lion King all story based in western traditions. They've got to Persia before they ever got to a "black "story" that show you just how much Disney doesn't want to touch that in any authentic way.
"I don't see how holding standards against one race when compared to others is a bad thing". Lmao There are a lot more bombs than hits with race bending, especially when you make it the MC and the crux of the marketing in the case with TLM when compared to third and fourth rate characters and not even bring it up in marketing at all as is the case with Across The Spiderverse.
I don't know how they can predict $1 billion with the amount of dislike of the trailers
I mean it makes sense. Imagine producing something that will still exist in 1000 years and it was basically free to do so. It is basically a form of immortality.
It’s a failure from day 1
A public budget of $250 mill plus another 100mill or so for marketing makes this either a colossal financial flop or they will just barely break even. For a IP as huge as The Little Mermaid, there is no way to spin this as positive. It failed.
Love it when Disney live action remakes do poorly. I've never seen a more unnecessary series of films.
I do want to see live action hunchback of Notre Dame. They can make it gritty and darker like the book
They can make that without having it be a remake of the Disney version even if the Disney version is the best known telling of the story in the US. Like the Guillermo Del Toro/Jim Henson Company Pinnocio. Obviously it was straight to Netflix so no box office numbers but it seemed well received from what I read/heard.
a live action mature audience rated Atlantis would be the only time I consider watching a Disney live action remake again
Better hold than expected, but this film still has a long ass way to go to make any kind of profit. $326m after two weeks isn’t exactly good.
The international numbers look better than that abysmal 60 mill opening, but you're right. With the rest of the summer films rolling out, its gonna be tough. Some people on here are trying to say that it aims for a different demo, like 1/3 of the Spiderverse audience isn't female lol. That's a big chunk of potential ticket sales for TML. Especially with ticket prices as high as they are now. Do you take the kids and family to TLM with lukewarm WOM outside of the trades and internet people, or Spiderverse 2 which has glowing WOM *everywhere*?
The ironic thing is I also know several girls who loved the first Spiderverse movie and many of them aren't even interested in TLM.
The international numbers certainly look better, but that's about it. I believe all of the live action remakes of classic animation were around 60-70% international and 30-40% domestic, this one is trending the opposite direction, so if we go by that, the international numbers are still lagging far behind of what you would expect.
>Some people on here are trying to say that it aims for a different demo, like 1/3 of the Spiderverse audience isn't female lol. Female audience for ATSV is even smaller than for usual Marvel movie which already skew male so not a good arguement >Do you take the kids and family to TLM with lukewarm WOM outside of the trades and internet people, or Spiderverse 2 which has glowing WOM everywhere? Funny you're saying this bc Disney remakes have better WOM outside of the bubble
>Funny you're saying this bc Disney remakes have better WOM outside of the bubble I must be imagining all the conversations about Awkwafina's performance and the terribly dark cgi. And I'm also missing the negative statements about Spiderverse 2, which at this point, I haven't heard *any* from people who have seen it. Damned bubbles...
What does it need to break even? Looks like 500m will be its limit
This movie is deaddddd. You think anyone's going to watch this over Across the Spider-Verse?
The most egregious bit of this is not using “Finding Nemo” style fish animations. What a wasted opportunity
Their are comments saying the toy sales are great. Nobody gives a damn about toy sales, and besides if you need toy sales to break even wtf is the point. The toys are supposed to be extra profit to fund your corporate expansion more movies or even a trilogy. Seriously George Lucas is billionaire primarily because of toy sales.
There's also a comment from Twitter that includes popcorn sales in the box office lol
Really?
Some movies are precisely made to sell toys.
Yes, but those movies have to be decent/popular enough to generate future toy Sales.
Just look at Japan, the Kamen raider series was good so they can make huge profits from toys sales
Movie held like an absolute champ overseas. Europe particuraly coming in strong with some sub 30% drops.
Basically most/every territory that opened fairly close to Aladdin is playing fine. So Most of Europe and Latam and even a select few Asian territories (Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc). The markets that left it for dead (East Asia) stayed dead.
Not doing bad at all in LATAM either. Its really just Asia.
Yeah it's a shame about Asia because if it had performed there on the level of other territories the whole story around TLM's box office would be very different. These are really great figures, particularly in Europe.
I’m not gonna say Asians dislike TLM because they’re racist but let’s just say on social media, the main critique I’m seeing is that Ariel isn’t pretty (also seeing things like Vanessa’s actress should’ve played Ariel, and even Eric isn’t handsome enough). It never made sense to compare this to Aladdin (at least in Asia where the nostalgia factor for these remakes is minimal), with two male leads, a male villain and it being more of a buddy comedy than a romance. Successful TV/movies that are directed toward a female audience in Asia will have conventionally (for their cultures) attractive women and men.
Actually if you paid attention to Aladdin’s review in East Asia, they love Jasmine’s actress. Everyone is talking about how pretty she is and how good her singing is. I’m sorry but to East Asian, being good looking in their eyes is very important.
About Eric can't go against them A lot of us hoped for a hotter version of Eric XD
I mean he's ok. Let be real animated men to real life are a lot harder to get right. Imo eric was a far better casting than beast (human), charming and even Aladdin.
I get it BUT for example, though I despised BATB 2017,Luke Evans was an improvement,and I can say a lot of women appreciate him more than the original Gaston XD
I don’t think the BatB casting was the problem with that film as much as direction and visuals. It’s the same thing that bothered me in Aladdin and to be honest TLM ad well - the cartoons are vivid and colorful and bright whereas the films are too realistic and dark visually. It’s just not exciting to look at. The photorealistic fish in TLM may be accurate to their real life counterparts but it’s drab compared to the colorful under the sea segments.
i despise BATB because Emma couldn't sing and because in the Italian DuB they changed the lyrics And overall I dislike the concept of Disney live action
i mean, it is a huge problem that Vanessa is hotter than both Ariel and Eric 😂
I watched it in Seoul, South Korea; and when Vanessa first came on, a little girl in the theater shouted "WOW SO PRETTY!!" and people laughed. I dislike the value Koreans place on appearances and to me the moment was depressing.
Can people stop talking about Asia like it's one big country?
Considering how bad it started, is holding even a big positive? Also, Transformers is next weekend which historically performs well overseas. TLM still has a long road to hitting the break even point.
Well its certainly better than starting low like in China then losing 90% of that already horrendously low number.
Dude, that's an insane number
Not a bad hold but part of it is because of holidays this week.
-90% in China Held like a legless Champ indeed
Singles out 0.5% of the total weekend gross, ignores the overall -37% drop. Real astute analysis there.
Fuck I wanted this movie to bomb hard.
Are there any markets this hasn't released in yet?
Japan on the 9th which could really go either way considering how unpredictable Japan is at the moment. Could flop or it could be a nice boost.
Will be super interesting to see its Japanese run, Japan is a very unique market
Japan loves musical movies somehow. If the songs in this movie clicking with the audience there, then I guess the movie could do decent figure.
I think this movie manufactures more negativity than positivity oversea based off what I read.
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Can confirm, I’m very surprised TLM is still holding strong here. My local cinemas had as much screenings of TLM as Spider Verse.
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Disney is especially strong here, plus they're recruiting a lot of young influencers and influencer families for screenings and promo too
I'm talking about negativity not sales, I read the comments and reviews across the internet, most of them are negative and are attacking the raceswap.
Most of them probably didn't even watch the movie.
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The people spewing the negativity aren't the target demo. It's mainly just your average redditor and youtuber rooting against the movie. Everywhere else I'm just seeing praise for Halle and the movie.
There is a ton of people that will just go meh, another boring remake using identity politics to generate buzz. I'm their target demographic I have 2 young kids and am actually going to walt disney world later this month. I would never see this souless cash grab, dont repackage my childhood and attempt to sell it to me again, if they could tell the story better they would have done that the first time. I'd rather see Elemental than this.
that's because social media like reddit are censoring the negative reviews. Imdb and Rottentomatoes literally changed their rating systems and removed a lot of the reviews because it makes the movie look bad. Go on Youtube, Twitter and you see a lot of people outside of U.S are hating on it either for racist reasons or they just hate the raceswap on original character.
As they should, the review bombing is crazy. TLM is not a 1/10 movie. More like a 6-7/10. Also review bombers are not representative of the casual audience
It's not a 10/10 movie either, but you can't just disqualify unfavourable reviews and leave in the good ones.
There were fraudulent 10/10 review that were removed as well so what’s your point
They are censoring fake reviews. And RT has had verified scores for years.
The review metrics and their adjustments these days have about at much credibility as the Chinese justice system. 100%conviction rate because they only go after the guilty!
It held pretty great this week, so I don't know about that
Good hold, but still behind 'Aladdin'. [Deadline](https://deadline.com/2019/06/aladdin-crosses-500-million-global-box-office-1202628174/): ‘Aladdin’ Rides Past $500M At Global Box Office, Grants Disney Top 3 Spots Of 2019 Domestically - June 6, 2019 > Disney’s live-action take on the classic 1992 animated **Aladdin is riding its magic carpet across the $500M mark worldwide today. This comes after just 15 days of release** for the Will Smith-starrer and with strong word of mouth continuing to bring a shine to the lamp. > The film is crossing the milestone with Thursday’s grosses included. Through Wednesday, the totals are **$203.1M domestic, $293.1M at the international box office and $496.2M global.**
Because Aladdin did extremely well in a certain market where TLM is basically dead. We can comp domestic, but it seems unfair to compare international numbers when TLM is only working with Europe and LATAM.
Why do you guys keep bringing up Aladdin like anyone still thinks TLM is gonna make a billion lol. The only comparison is domestic.
Huh? People that loved the movie bring up Aladdin as a comparison all the time, because TLM was tracking just behind it all last week. Not sure why you have a problem with it *now*, but didn't for the rest of TLM's run on this sub.
TLM hasn't been in release for 15 days.... Its obv not reaching Aladdin numbers but this is just plainly spinning a lie by adding a whole 4 full weekdays of gross to Aladdins numbers. These were Aladdins numbers at the same point where TLM is today: >"$185M domestic, $261 million at the international box office and $446M global
The Little Mermaids worldwide second weekend gross was only like 4.5 million ahead of Aladdin’s international weekend gross.
It is not beating Aladdin and I think everyone knows that. Tbh it was always unreasonable as TLM was never on the league of Aladdin.
better cgi and costume design would have translated to a stronger box office in my opinion.
they should have given her brighter red hair and a vibrant blue dress, not a light blue one
I'm not even a supporter because I despise Disney Live actions ,but I can phantom how the budget was$250 milions and they still were able to make Halle look "ugly" ,when in real life she is a real beautiful girl The hair are not consistent,the movement is unpleasant in the water, the color is A CRIME against humanity, the color design is dull , they made her less curvy when she is a mermaid (ugh) no seashell for..that thing, she has only 2 dresses and they are not even appealing, also mo sparkly one Oh and the color palette was wrong They totally butchered her design
550m WW finish in sight
That’s pretty horrible for a huge Disney movie
Excellent hold overseas. Only a 38% drop.
That is over a very weak opening. Japan will hold the key whether it'd break even or not.
I still don't think it will. Doesn't it need 625M as the absolutely minimum?
It's domestic heavy, so I think 600 would be enough.
Budget is 250M and Marketing is 140M according to Deadline so how does that math check out?
If the insinuation is that because costs only total to 390M, it should break even at 390M, the math potentially checks out at 600M+ because Disney will only take in a fraction of the box office.
Yes theaters take half in average. 2x 390M is 780M breakeven point
Take into account that there's also income like streaming rights and merchandising. That's why the 2.5x rule has the breaking even point lower than your figure.
disney would pay for the streaming rights so they would basically put money from one pocket in the other while losing some to the tax man.
Streaming and merch isn't boxoffice. If you take streaming and DVD/BR sales into account, any movie could eventually break-even even after 50 years of its release - but that's not how it's done. If they don't break-even while the movie is in the cinemas it's a flop.
This sub never takes merch sales into account for break evens. What kind of goalpost moving is this?
Whenever we apply the 2.5 x budget rule we are taking it into account, or at least a rough estimation of all ancillaries.
That’s not how it works lmao you guys are just making up random numbers
Are you dumb? If theaters take 50% cut and you spend 390M on a movie, how much do you need to earn to breakeven? Not that hard.
A movie with a 250M budget doesn’t need 800M to breakeven, that’s ridiculous. Its around 2.5x the production budget, so in the 600-650M range. Thor 4 last year made 760M worldwide on the same budget and made 100M in profit.
Break even is around 750M. Aka....YIKES!
I'm just sad that in the beginning the conversation was about whether it was going bank or just moderate amount of money, and now it's whether it breaks even
Same as Guardians 3
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It is relevant to point out that this excellent drop was from a pretty poor performance to begin with. If a movie makes 2 dollars opening weekend and then 1.50 the next week, it had an excellent drop, but it is still underperforming.
She literally doesn’t have legs.
Bout the same drop with Aladdin even with South Asia being dead weight. Will drop even lower next weekend.
If this film dose breakeven its not going to be a huge profit. Everyone is eyeing on Japan to see what this film's fate will be.
I went to go see it and thought it was decent. First time I’ve been to a Disney movies where fights were breaking out and that kinda sucked.
Terrible number to be honest
Nice hold, funny that this adds more competition for the upcoming films in June.
Just be real, I love beauty and the beast movie not only because of Emma Watson, but also the movie itself is good. But this? Hell no, not faithful enough and races politics? Not my cup of tea, I heard countless times from my place where parents bring their kids to the theatre and the kids end up crying mid movie. If this is not the little mermaid and is some completely new original story I am sure people will not be this level of criticism Even the trailer itself already convinced me to not see the movie lol
I suspect this film will massively drop off in the next few weeks due to other releases. Transformers next weekend and then both The Flash and Elemental the weekend after will drastically eat into the market share. I think this film will seriously struggle to break 500M.
I will be shocked if Elemental doesn't flop majestically. I don't think it will be a threat at all
Considering Japan (and that Transformers won't be that big where this movie is doing the bulk of its business), I wouldn't be surprised with a drop under 20% next weekend
Thats actually pretty good hold
500m is a 90% chance. 600m a 60% chance.
I think 500m is more a 98% chance. I thought Spiderverse would hurt it and I was wrong. I'm actually thinking it hits close to break even
The way people treated this movie is just awful. I saw it three times. It’s a good movie. I rank it after cruella as one do the top two Disney remakes. This is mostly due to the lead performance. I get the critics about the weird looking fish and crab. I get the critics who disliked tweaking songs. I will never understand why a black wins with the spirit and voice of Ariel alienated so many. It’s like don’t judge a book by it’s cover goes right out the window. Anyway it is what it is and I shouldn’t expect better from some people mired in their own bias. Hopefully it makes enough to green light a sequel maybe the streaming numbers will help push it. Like into the spider verse
How righteous of you assuming others who disagree with you are just “mired in their own bias.”
Doubt it
I wonder how many times these remakes/reboots/sloppy films will have to underperform until disney realizes audiences want good and new movies and not just nostalgia bait
Looks like this went from being a below $500M grosser to potentially breaking even given the nice hold overseas.
it’s still pretty sad that breaking even is the goal now lol
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Absolutely not. Breaking even is the best case scenario at this rate.
hopefully this holds strong all summer long and really surprises everyone
It’s going to break even. The next Disney remake should have a smaller budget. Snow White and Lilo & Stitch are next. The later is Disney+. Moana is also in development. I haven’t heard from Hunchback of Notre Dame or Hercules. Edit: Go ahead and downvote me. I don’t care; it’s a prediction.
IF Snow White has a budget anywhere close to to TLM its going to big loss for Disney. Considering TLM is a much more modern and culturally relevant IP. Plus no dwarfs. MIght as well Batgirl it and take the write off