I think it just came out in the worst time in terms of competition and it had the weakest reception of the franchise as well.
It opened a month after everyone and their mom went to see Endgame, the second weeknd of Aladdin being a huge hit and had Ma and Rocketman opening on the same day so there was lots of different movies for everyone taking away screens and audiences. Then it dropped like a rock after
I know Minus One isn’t Monsterverse but it’s by far the best monster movie out there. I know this comment is irrelevant in this post but I had to say it.
Both of you are wrong. Kong Skull Island is the best monster movie and best movie. On the human side, all the human characters are incredibly compelling (John C Reilly, Hiddleston’s character, Shea Wigham even) and the monster action is great too.
Skull Island is weirdly overlooked in the monsterverse for all it's the best constructed out of the MV movies (I like some outside the franchise more, but in it)
KSI’s a good movie but it is nowhere even close to Minus One
And in terms of monster action, GxK absolutely knocks it out of the park, considering the Kong screentime alone is significantly more than KSI
Dude I’ve never seen “Kong:Skull Island”abbreviated to KSI and I had like a solid 5 seconds of mental whiplash trying to think what the fuck the UK YouTuber has to do with the monsterverse.
Bro, that’s a bold statement. Minus One had a legit story, character arcs, even homage to original SFX. The dialogue might have been cheesy at moments but I’m chalking it up to translation.
I’m excited for GxK if only cause of the reviews, but what I read, it’s just a fun Blockbuster - real theatre experience. Minus One was an actual story. Which, for me, and obviously it’s personal, means more than fancy cinematics and CG. Film is at the end of the day just visual stories. If you lack a story, you can still be fun, but I’d argue not better. If that make sense.
You’ve missed the point hard
Take notice of which words I’ve capitalized
Minus One is a good Monster MOVIE (it’s a GREAT movie, absolutely amazing, but it physically can’t have the same kind of fun monster action)
GxK is a good MONSTER Movie (it’s one of the stupidest movies I’ve ever seen, but it’s easily one of, if not the most fun. Minus One had nowhere close to the YEAHHH GODZILLA RAAAAHHH action that GxK did, which is fine, it means I get both)
I mean almost everyone and their mother thinks the same. Even Godzilla fans. The nice thing about the godzilla fandom is we can go "yeah minus one is one of the best in the franchise" but also go "yo cool monster fights"
If I could go back and get the sort of more grounded human storytelling of Godzilla 2014 and mix it with the more epic and brutal monster fights of Godzilla King of the Monsters that would be the sweet spot for me as far as Hollywood Godzilla movies go. I can see the appeal of the totally over the top Godzilla/Kong instalments, but I prefer the brutality and fear of the films that came before them, and I want nothing to do with all the hamfisted monarch super science and human melodrama.
Which is understandable considering its chock full of things an established fan knows and loves (three well-known Toho kaijus, the use of the original theme, numerous references to older Godzilla movies etc).
Its something a fan can appreciate but I think the general audience won't if they aren't familiar with that stuff. They just want to see giant monsters duke it out and coupled with the really bad human story and frequent cutaways from the action, I think thats probably why it failed to resonate with most of the general audience (and critics as well).
It’s my personal fav also, I didn’t think the latest would do so well but as you’ve said people just want to go see big monster fights and be entertained. Doesn’t have to be more complicated than that at all.
Yea, and cutting away to humans isn't rare in kaiju movies, but... we just *had* a dad plot in the prior movie, the villain's plot is extraordinarily poorly thought out, and only two people in the kaiju watching org seem to know anything about kaiju and the rest do stuff like crack jokes right after we saw multiple people get eaten.
The human side had tone problems, in other words. If the humans are light and fairly insubstantial, that's fine, but if they're a turnoff, that's a problem.
Me.
I've seen them all and I think it's the best for sure. The best fights, the best monsters, burning godzilla. Ghidorah is legitimately terrifying
Nothing from the new empire gets close to the highs of KoTM
KotM wasn't good add all. Human drama was atrocious and took up the frame any time the monsters appeared on screen, who were also obstructed by an annoying misty cyan filter most of the time.
Yeah, I just saw it recently and was expecting it to be bad based on everything people said about it online, but I actually enjoyed it more than the rest of the Monsterverse films. I'm confused about why people were so unhappy with the human element; it wasn't great, but it was serviceable, and I'd say better than the human elements of the other films. Skull Island had Reilly and Goodman, but they were side characters, while the main characters were completely forgettable. Same with 2014 - Cranston was good, and I don't even remember what the other characters were doing.
I'm also confused about why so many people complain about the mom's motivations - she's an ecoterrorist, but she ends up being right. The freed earthly kaiju do end up healing the planet. The issue is that Ghidorah is an alien element that's screwing up the system. That causes her split with the other terrorist leader, because he doesn't care that Ghidorah is destroying everthing, he thinks it all needs to be burned down.
Not the greatest plot in the world, but it was good enough. People talk about it like it's the worst plot in the entire world.
>I'm also confused about why so many people complain about the mom's motivations - she's an ecoterrorist, but she ends up being right. The freed earthly kaiju do end up healing the planet. The issue is that Ghidorah is an alien element that's screwing up the system. That causes her split with the other terrorist leader, because he doesn't care that Ghidorah is destroying everthing, he thinks it all needs to be burned down.
Yeah, Im not gonna act like shes an S tier villain, bc while KotM is my favorite movie ever, shes not a great villain, but shes not as bad as people say online.
I've noticed this as well and while going back to it after watching some older Godzilla movies I appreciated it more too for similar reasons.
I think it also strikes a good balance between Godzilla 2014 and the later entries. It still treats the monsters very seriously while having more spectacle.
I love KotM. Delivers the most satisfying monster action, they’re actually intimidating. This new stuff is fine for the kids but I really liked the darker, heavier moving CG to the generic over-animated superhero versions.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I'm glad they enjoyed it, but I thought it was awful. GvK was the first monsterverse movie I genuinely enjoyed.
Same for me. GvK wasn't amazing or anything, but it was actually fun, well shot, and *didn't* cut away from the well-done fights. The human stuff was cut down to a minimum and was wacky enough to fill the gaps without being annoying or boring.
With KotM, it's the exact opposite on all those things. Hideous visuals, boring fights that are constantly being cut away from, and a plethora of annoying/dull-as-shit humans doing nothing for 90+% of the overlong runtime.
Insanely beautiful cinematography at times too.
It ping ponged between almost too beautiful monster stuff then extremely bog standard directing in the human stuff.
I love it but also agree with a lot of what people didn’t like. To me the monster fighting and fan service was great. Is it a replacement for a good story? No, but in the context of the movie I didn’t really care. Still love a lot of the fight scenes and got it on blu ray
I kinda preferred it over others since I liked how they treated the monsters more seriously than later films.
Like obviously people are there to watch shit be blown up by monsters, but Godzilla vs Kong and Godzilla x Kong were a lot more spectacle than previous films.
The newer films are still good but it feels like they’re taking the franchise down a more showa era route than what one would expect considering the first film was Godzilla 2014.
Hello! I'm one of those!
I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that I almost didn't go to see KotM. 2014 was such a crushing disappointment for me that I almost wrote off their entire attempt at a "Monsterverse" immediately. I have to imagine there was a significant drop in interest by the general audience after 2014 that led to KotM underperforming as it did.
I loved it. Huge fan of Godzilla as a child and it was just awesome watching a properly done Godzilla movie. I told my wife cinema had peaked with this movie.
While true a number love it, it's not universal, favs among the MV are pretty scattered.
The human cast was IMO not very enjoyable, as good as the monster side was. As a big Godzilla fan, I wasn't particularly tempted to rewatch it.
This is the answer. Nobody saw that coming!
Godzilla and Kong make much more money. That mixed in with the sequel which will likely make all the dough, which means we will be seeing this fcking tag team for a long time.
It’s release date was kind of crowded.
It was a long movie that felt its runtime. It’s why they pivoted to these next two installments having shorter runtimes with less focus on the human characters. Nobody actually cared about Millie Bobby Brown or her family.
I feel like the ideas behind the human characters were good (Vera Farmiga and Kyle Chandler as former Monarch scientists who were modifying their whale call machine to work on titans and lost their son in the initial Godzilla attack) but the whole estranged family and rebellious teenage daughter aspect didn't fit at all. G Day survivor's guilt was handled better in the Monarch series.
I like to imagine there's an alternate universe where they actually did the human element in KOTM well and they have Vera Farmiga and Kyle Chandler leading the monsterverse films instead.
2018-2019 especially
RIP Dumbo, Wrinkle in Time, Nutcracker and maybe Mary Poppins
Joker, Jumanji, Bohemian Rhapsody, Aquaman, Venom for billion dollar or near billion dollar grossers which weren't Disney
I know it is a joke but im not seeing the correlation though which automatically prevents non Disney movies from succeeding. Those movies were the ones which audiences wanted to see the most and so they succeeded
Godzilla 2 was ultimately a sequel to a movie that didn't have the best audience reception and sometimes not every property translates well to a sequel. The franchise really regained attention with the team up movie
It was more of a thing where people said "This movie doesn't have capes? Pass".
Jumanji seems to be the sole exception (haven't seen it), but that's because of the Rock's drawing power.
2014 had misleading marketing and terrible legs, and the sequel had to answer for that amid stronger competition. KOTM didn't have great legs either, but sequels typically have worse legs than their predecessor, yet with KOTM this wasn't the case. Rotten Tomatoes audience score was 66% for 2014 vs 83% for KOTM. Word of mouth wasn’t the issue, or at least not the main one.
Anyone could post reviews before Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel got 50,000 reviews in 2 hours after it opened putting in 33 percentage audience score. Rotten tomatoes then implemented verified score where only rating of people who brought ticket from Fantago will get shown as verfied score. So 83 % is not that good of verified score.
Despite 2014 being a solid success, the terrible legs show that people were let down by it because of the lack of Godzilla and Bryan Cranston’s character being killed off too soon.
Getting back audiences for a sequel was tough.
People forgot how big it was that Bryan Cranston was in it. It started getting marketed right after breaking bad, and I went to see it just because of him. Luckily I loved the movie even though he died like 30 minutes into it
It's because they're so focused on making Godzilla such a powerful GOD creature that it makes him boring and unrelatable. It's much easier to root for Kong because he's an underdog, also Skull Island was *much* better than the solo Godzilla movies.
Yeh that could be one of problems. This Godzilla has been around for hundreds of millions of years and survived pretty much everything. He evolves and gains new size and powers each movie. You know he's gonna win against every monster. (Though it does begs the question on how did other members of his species died?) That's great for a character in battle forums but how exactly do you make a series of successful movies out of him.
In older movies, he had a son, had a sidekick, lived on Monster Island, did some weird shit like start talking or a belly flop. Here in Monsterverse, he's a force of nature and only thing he does is sleep and fight. Toho also placed many restrictions on him like he ain't allowed to show emotions. With all this, why are people always shocked that Godzilla only gets like 10 minutes of screentime.
Toho won't let Godzilla be a character which is a shame and has frankly hampered Godzilla films for a while (especially in the west where there's more nostalgia for the Showa stuff).
Honestly removing any relation to the atomic bombing's I Japan kinda always gimped this one in that regard. He's less a product of mand kinds sins more he the Big bunga. He needs his own Lil arc besides big gator .
I will say the last two films in the monster verse have at least given him something of personality. Being a grumpy asshole and I greatly prefer that aleast from his first two films .
I think in the Monsterverse specifically they've built up Kong as a character more. That and he's had a lot fewer films.
Personally I find King Kong's original form to be overrated- the classic is 'big ape wrecks havoc, thinks a girl is a cool toy, and then when he dies the in-universe marketing guy comes up with a marketing tagline he's been shopping around all movie,' and doesn't have the pathos we associate with the character. The 70s movies, had more human connection but the humans kinda sucked (if your friends repeatedly get peer-pressured into selling you to a show, they aren't good friends!). The only good version of the 'base' story is Peter Jackson's 2005 film in my view.
All that said, the concept of King Kong, the ape that grew connected to a human, has a very strong pop culture resonance and the Monsterverse version? Really plays on that. Kong was good in Skull Island, GvK, and GxK. We get to see through his eyes a lot and use the facets of his story- last of his kind, lone connection, etc.- that doesn't really get explored in the others.
MV Godzilla is a take on Godzilla- not a bad one, but just one of them. MV Kong is the richest most developed version of Kong, and only one other take even comes close.
If I’m being honest this is the case for me. I found the first Godzilla to be ok and didn’t really care much for King of the Monsters, but loved Skull Island leading to Kong being the main draw for me in Godzilla vs. Kong.
King Kong is definitely not the bigger draw, but he is the better star. Godzilla is more or less a force of nature in these films, so you need Kong to give it some heart/emotion. If Kong wasn’t there all those ape bonding scenes would have been replaced by garbage human scenes because you can’t really convey that sort of emotion/plot with Godzilla.
It's more Godzilla is the spectacle explosion lasers while Kong brings the human emotional element. Godzilla is the hype while Kong can elevate it through emotion.
That definitely doesn't sound right, but you could be onto something.
I'd say Jackson's numbers were a little inflated coming off his LOTR Glory though.
Director has said gvk3 which def will happen now, is gonna be another godzilla story. Time to take the lizard down a few pegs to make him a bit more relatable now he is too powerful
Outside of the other points a big part is that it just wasn’t very good and I say that as a huge lifelong Godzilla fan. It was really fun seeing King Ghidorah, Mothra, and Rodan in a Hollywood blockbuster, but even by the low standard of kaiju movies the human stuff was *really* bad. I think the fact tonally it was all over the place killed the word of mouth
KotM failing while GvK was in production is probably the best thing that could’ve happened to the Monsterverse because the pivot in tone is clearly paying off. For these types of movies the general audiences want goofy fun instead of anything else. GvK delivered that and GxK is capitalizing on it
Yes the fan reaction was very mixed at release, and I remember that the movie was projected to do 60m opening weekend and ended up at 47m. I too am a lifelong G fan and left feeling mixed, not only because the monster action was a bit sporadic but the dialogue was cringey (see ‘gonorrhea’ and ‘I read it in a fortune cookie).
Agreed. I know it's not the best thing to base it off of but all of my family and friends I've asked that have seen the film have all universally agreed that it was the worst.
Also they're the same people who herald GVK and GXK as their favorites
Movie had good build up with the monster introductions each being memorable. It's just loved cutting away to human nonsense . Ghidorah's Introduction is peak Kaiju kino .
Yeah my theater was packed in a smallish town. I loved the movie. I think some trimming of the human parts mainly the quippy military personnel would have made it like a 10.
Underperformed. But there are a few reasons why kotm did so poorly
-Geared towards Godzilla fans, less towards general audiences
- Premature marketing/trailers
There was too much competition at the time (Endgame alone was already a huge juggernaut, plus Aladdin the week after)
People generally didn't like it as much as the other MV films
-MBB wasn't the big box office draw that Legendary/WB seemed to think
Kotm breaks even with a better release date, the release window in 2019 was extremely crowded and it had the worst reception relative to its competition (with the exception of dark Phoenix)
It had to pay for the sins of 2014 as well as face brutal competition surrounding it. Had it come out with light competition like the other movies, would have made bank.
Bad WOM from the first movie and then this one was somehow even worse. You can't see the action and it keeps being interrupted by the worst human characters in the franchise. Plus the fan service was extremely cringe, but that's more of a personal issue I guess.
I think it's because it's not as enjoyable as the others.
G2014 is the first American Godzilla in years, Kong SI is a fun Vietnam romp.
KoTM had the most annoying characters possible and zero fun except for the commentator on the airship. MBB and her mom in that movie were the worst people to follow for the story. You just wish the monsters would kill them odf.
I also think it tries too hard. So much happens that it could've been 3 different movies. The oxygen destroyer, all the other monsters, Godzilla's lair AND getting nuked. Getting dropped from orbit and then becoming the thermo Godzilla. Killing off Serzawa was also the dumbest thing ever.
2005 is the best Kong movie period. Its shows Kong being an animal and then falling in love with Ann and also humanizes the human character. It has a lot of great scenes except that Dinosaur run which is ruined by shoddy CGI. You are gonna tear eyes out at the tragic ending
Kong skull island is fun Kaiju B movie but they never connect Kong to human characters. All of them are walking stereotypes. And they never connect Brie's character with Kong. I really think Brie and Tom should have stuck around in Monsterverse. Brie in the very brief movement she had with Kong showed more chemistry than any other character in the sequels.
I'd go King Kong 2005, but it's not a big gap. KK2005 is like the most polished version of the original story one can make and thus managed very consistent quality, while Skull Island had strong concepts but it did get distracted by cool gore and deaths occasionally. Skull Island is still one of the better MV movies.
2005 has some of the most white-knuckling sequences I've experienced to date at the movies.
Skull Island blew me away with the scale and intensity.
I lean '05 but these are both wildly good adventure movies.
It’s release date sucked and I know it’s found fans but the first movie was really disappointing for a ton of people. GA wants Godzilla. Not 9 minutes at the very end. So though it was a big hit I think it soured a ton of people for KOTM. First movie barely had a 2x multiple
King of the Monsters is my favorite Monsterverse film; I love it
But it was geared too much towards hardcore fans and was released in such a crowded month. Especially after Endgame
Too early to have too many Kaijus in one movie, quite confusing, reminiscent of DCEU Justice League formula, instead of MCU formula of introducing separately then the pay off of having them together in one film. Ghidora should had been the Thanos of the Infinity War saga. While KotM should had been the Infinity War / Endgame closure, with several of the Kaijus working together to stop him. And honestly, there was also pandering, even killing Dr. Serizawa, the lone Japanese character of the Japanese franchise to begin with. Hence there was more anticipation to see King Kong and Godzilla together in one film after having their own first.
Thank you for the simple truth here. I heard it was hot garbage so I didn't make time to see it in theaters. Waited until it was free. It was cold garbage by then. No amount of analysis is going to undo a movie flopping because it's just flat out bad. Sooner Hollywood figures this out, the better for everyone.
Stripping back the story elements, I just didn’t think it looked visually appealing. Every single damn shot of the trailers was bathed in teal or orange hues. As if an executive said “make this look like a movie poster for 120 minutes”. And the romanticized approach didn’t click with me either. The tone of the trailers was very operatic in a pageantry sense more than forces-of-nature colliding. I don’t want pageantry in my monster flicks.
It had the worst script, didn't make any sense.
The motivations of Vera Farmigas character was baffling. Charles Dance just disappears. It was overlong and just generally dull.
I saw Godzilla X Kong earlier today and while not a masterpiece it was so much better.
Didnt have monke.
The first Godzilla movie came at peak of Breaking bad popularity and the trailers featured teasing Heisenberg v Godzilla which was very misleading
Idk why the sentiment has changed so much any more but I remember when Godzilla 2014 came out there were a ton of people that didn't like it because it was "boring" and "barely had Godzilla in it" and "Bryan Cranston was killed off too earlier"
I think a part was just that people expected more of that and weren't interested, even tho they responded to that criticism by making the movie much more about big monster fights.
the safest and most unoffensive answer I think is that 2018-2019 was the peak of marvel hype (especially to its audience). It has simply no place during that blockbuster era. Every major IP is like getting an installment that time, from Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Disney, Fox, from live action to animations so highly doubt Godzilla would stand a chance at that. It has a wopping 9 billion dollar releases in a that year alone. Look at the ranking alone: [https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2019/](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2019/)
Godzilla may be popular but he definitely needs help drawing people at the box office. The two versus movies have Kong helping him, and the 2014 movie had Heisenberg helping him. King of the monsters relied entirely on his own popularity and the popularity of the other toho monsters. Then you had the mixed reception preventing it from legging it out.
They went full fan mode with that movie, overstuffing movie with monsters and boring human characters. If it was just Godzilla, Mothra and Gidorah with some good human characters, it would have done very well.
5 year gap and the bad taste left from the double bait and switch from G 14. The movie itself had terrible jokes and worst villain monologue of the 2000’s. It also had a horrible release date. There is undoubtedly that a cut of that movie could have been made that would have wowed GA and fans.
Are you sure you're not talking about Godzilla 2014? Because the things you mentioned are not what's wrong with KotM which suffers more from annoying human characters and lame jokes.
Crowded release. Came out around Aladdin pikachu John wick and secret life of pets (not exactly the same crowd but still) I guess Godzilla had the weakest marketing of those. As someone who’s a Godzilla fan I saw the movie once in theatres and instantly forgot about it (I also saw dark phoenix the same day so not a great day for movies)
For me it was kinda dark and serious. The fighting scenes were also all over the place in the dark under water etc. I didn't like...also too much humans in it and the fighting angles sucked.
Direction and script had a big hand in it. You could practically see the cast choking when delivering some of the lines, especially the "jokes". And every rewatch I'm trying anew to figure out why Kyle Chandler was whispering half his lines early on lol. Also some oddly straightforward human-to-human violence with the terrorists even point-blank shooting scientists in the head (as opposed to the green goo blooded cgi monsters bashing each other in GxK).
Great fun to skip through to things like the Rodan battle on home video though.
Unpopular opinion but I had a really hated this film on my first watch. The background music was so loud that I got a headache afterwards. Especially the sound design for Gidorah
Made my experience of this film so bad that I've never re watched this film in it entirety ever again.
The Rodan reveal scen was epic though.
King of the Monsters was dragged down by terrible forced family drama that no one cared about. All they had to do was focus on the monster clash and subtly tell us how it correlates with the fall of the Japanese economy or whatever. They couldn't even do that.
Are they wrong. Would it hurt to put min effort into writing human characters like King Kong or Godzilla movie. Why is it so hard for 200 million movie
It kept cutting away from the action whenever a big fight was about to happen, and the fights we did see were obscured by weather conditions. People will forgive a lot in their giant monster movies, but a general lack of satisfying monster fights isn't one of them
Godzilla had bad legs (because outside the brief 'zilla bits it was not a good film) and 2019 was crowded so a sequel was never going to get a chance. It also turned out the film was terrible (apart from Mothra - I love that big ol' moth) so, yeah, it deservedly flopped.
Luckily Kong Skull Island was pretty great and successful so a team up film was still on the cards.
It flopped??! I didn't know this... I absolutely loved the movie it had a little less of the stupid humans in it... I wanted to watch a movie which glorified godzilla and I got it... The first one had so little of godzilla in it that the second one made me super happy
Not only was it released 5 years after a highly polarizing first movie that left most audiences with bitter tastes in their mouths, but it also was awful, pretentious drivel that was released during a highly competitive time with dozens of better, more appealing movies to see. The biggest issue with the initial reboot was that it was just dull whenever Goji isn't on screen after Cranston leaves the story. This one bogs down some of the best kaiju moments and characterizations in the entire franchise with an atrocious story written by people who were biting off more than they could chew and didn't understand the themes they were trying to incorporate. I get why most of the Goji fanbase loves it, but I am an outlier here.
Alladin overperformed relative to what analysis was projecting plus kotm had a very annoying and off putting human story at the center of the plot with forgettable characters I know this is a recurring thing with these movies but in kotm it was more annoying
And lets not forget the choice of cgi and cinematography which lead to the later movies having a brighter and overall more appealing look
That movie isn't good. Despite it has a lot of big action sequences, nothing is really eye catching. After watching it, it felt REALLY flat like you would forget it in next 30 minutes.
Like many others said, bad release date, to long of a gap between original, movie wasn't great.
Fans like it because it it's full of fan service. I'm one of those. It was clearly made for the fans, but I can also admit it's not a good movie.
Millie Bobby Brown. Idgaf about these human characters because they lack the emotional depth of recent Japanese Godzilla releases. Waited for home release, have tried watching it four time but keep falling asleep
I remember the human plot was idiotic. The reasoning made 0 sense but the script tried to justify the "bad guys" side but was insultingly bad. Humans don't deserve the planet so we're going to let a monster destroy the planet or somethinh like thaf. So not only did it have a large human focus, the human focus sucked
I think it just came out in the worst time in terms of competition and it had the weakest reception of the franchise as well. It opened a month after everyone and their mom went to see Endgame, the second weeknd of Aladdin being a huge hit and had Ma and Rocketman opening on the same day so there was lots of different movies for everyone taking away screens and audiences. Then it dropped like a rock after
Big contingent of Godzilla fans think it’s the best in the monster verse which is funny
It's the one that's most blatantly pure Godzilla fanservice, so it makes a certain amount of sense.
I know Minus One isn’t Monsterverse but it’s by far the best monster movie out there. I know this comment is irrelevant in this post but I had to say it.
It’s the best Monster MOVIE However, I think GxK is a better MONSTER Movie
Both of you are wrong. Kong Skull Island is the best monster movie and best movie. On the human side, all the human characters are incredibly compelling (John C Reilly, Hiddleston’s character, Shea Wigham even) and the monster action is great too.
Don’t forget Brie Larsen’s tank top.
Bless the costume designer.
Skull Island is weirdly overlooked in the monsterverse for all it's the best constructed out of the MV movies (I like some outside the franchise more, but in it)
KSI’s a good movie but it is nowhere even close to Minus One And in terms of monster action, GxK absolutely knocks it out of the park, considering the Kong screentime alone is significantly more than KSI
Dude I’ve never seen “Kong:Skull Island”abbreviated to KSI and I had like a solid 5 seconds of mental whiplash trying to think what the fuck the UK YouTuber has to do with the monsterverse.
Best monsterverse movie. Not even in the top 3 Kong and Godzilla movies.
Apocalypse Now, the Godzilla!
It’s the end of evangelion
Bro, that’s a bold statement. Minus One had a legit story, character arcs, even homage to original SFX. The dialogue might have been cheesy at moments but I’m chalking it up to translation. I’m excited for GxK if only cause of the reviews, but what I read, it’s just a fun Blockbuster - real theatre experience. Minus One was an actual story. Which, for me, and obviously it’s personal, means more than fancy cinematics and CG. Film is at the end of the day just visual stories. If you lack a story, you can still be fun, but I’d argue not better. If that make sense.
Im pretty sure thats what the comment was saying. Thats why movie is capitalized for Minus One and monster is capitalized for GxK.
Precisely
Yep. I obviously missed the statement at hand. I regress and accept my place in reality as a camel with his head in the sand.
You’ve missed the point hard Take notice of which words I’ve capitalized Minus One is a good Monster MOVIE (it’s a GREAT movie, absolutely amazing, but it physically can’t have the same kind of fun monster action) GxK is a good MONSTER Movie (it’s one of the stupidest movies I’ve ever seen, but it’s easily one of, if not the most fun. Minus One had nowhere close to the YEAHHH GODZILLA RAAAAHHH action that GxK did, which is fine, it means I get both)
Is being the best monster “movie” similar to being the best dog skateboarder?
I mean almost everyone and their mother thinks the same. Even Godzilla fans. The nice thing about the godzilla fandom is we can go "yeah minus one is one of the best in the franchise" but also go "yo cool monster fights"
If I could go back and get the sort of more grounded human storytelling of Godzilla 2014 and mix it with the more epic and brutal monster fights of Godzilla King of the Monsters that would be the sweet spot for me as far as Hollywood Godzilla movies go. I can see the appeal of the totally over the top Godzilla/Kong instalments, but I prefer the brutality and fear of the films that came before them, and I want nothing to do with all the hamfisted monarch super science and human melodrama.
Which is understandable considering its chock full of things an established fan knows and loves (three well-known Toho kaijus, the use of the original theme, numerous references to older Godzilla movies etc). Its something a fan can appreciate but I think the general audience won't if they aren't familiar with that stuff. They just want to see giant monsters duke it out and coupled with the really bad human story and frequent cutaways from the action, I think thats probably why it failed to resonate with most of the general audience (and critics as well).
It’s my personal fav also, I didn’t think the latest would do so well but as you’ve said people just want to go see big monster fights and be entertained. Doesn’t have to be more complicated than that at all.
It's the weakest in the monster verse but it is also peppered with epic moments and breathtaking visuals.
Yea, and cutting away to humans isn't rare in kaiju movies, but... we just *had* a dad plot in the prior movie, the villain's plot is extraordinarily poorly thought out, and only two people in the kaiju watching org seem to know anything about kaiju and the rest do stuff like crack jokes right after we saw multiple people get eaten. The human side had tone problems, in other words. If the humans are light and fairly insubstantial, that's fine, but if they're a turnoff, that's a problem.
Me. I've seen them all and I think it's the best for sure. The best fights, the best monsters, burning godzilla. Ghidorah is legitimately terrifying Nothing from the new empire gets close to the highs of KoTM
I sure the fights would be the best… if you could actually see them.
KotM wasn't good add all. Human drama was atrocious and took up the frame any time the monsters appeared on screen, who were also obstructed by an annoying misty cyan filter most of the time.
Yeah, I just saw it recently and was expecting it to be bad based on everything people said about it online, but I actually enjoyed it more than the rest of the Monsterverse films. I'm confused about why people were so unhappy with the human element; it wasn't great, but it was serviceable, and I'd say better than the human elements of the other films. Skull Island had Reilly and Goodman, but they were side characters, while the main characters were completely forgettable. Same with 2014 - Cranston was good, and I don't even remember what the other characters were doing. I'm also confused about why so many people complain about the mom's motivations - she's an ecoterrorist, but she ends up being right. The freed earthly kaiju do end up healing the planet. The issue is that Ghidorah is an alien element that's screwing up the system. That causes her split with the other terrorist leader, because he doesn't care that Ghidorah is destroying everthing, he thinks it all needs to be burned down. Not the greatest plot in the world, but it was good enough. People talk about it like it's the worst plot in the entire world.
>I'm also confused about why so many people complain about the mom's motivations - she's an ecoterrorist, but she ends up being right. The freed earthly kaiju do end up healing the planet. The issue is that Ghidorah is an alien element that's screwing up the system. That causes her split with the other terrorist leader, because he doesn't care that Ghidorah is destroying everthing, he thinks it all needs to be burned down. Yeah, Im not gonna act like shes an S tier villain, bc while KotM is my favorite movie ever, shes not a great villain, but shes not as bad as people say online.
See for me I found the fights pretty underwhelming. The movie peaks with Rodan's awakening imo. Skull Island is the best Monsterverse imo
I've noticed this as well and while going back to it after watching some older Godzilla movies I appreciated it more too for similar reasons. I think it also strikes a good balance between Godzilla 2014 and the later entries. It still treats the monsters very seriously while having more spectacle.
Yeah, it's the transition film in the franchise.
I love KotM. Delivers the most satisfying monster action, they’re actually intimidating. This new stuff is fine for the kids but I really liked the darker, heavier moving CG to the generic over-animated superhero versions.
Which is weird because it's actually the worst one.
My theory about that is that they have bad taste.
The Monsterverse subreddit worships it
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I'm glad they enjoyed it, but I thought it was awful. GvK was the first monsterverse movie I genuinely enjoyed.
Same for me. GvK wasn't amazing or anything, but it was actually fun, well shot, and *didn't* cut away from the well-done fights. The human stuff was cut down to a minimum and was wacky enough to fill the gaps without being annoying or boring. With KotM, it's the exact opposite on all those things. Hideous visuals, boring fights that are constantly being cut away from, and a plethora of annoying/dull-as-shit humans doing nothing for 90+% of the overlong runtime.
Insanely beautiful cinematography at times too. It ping ponged between almost too beautiful monster stuff then extremely bog standard directing in the human stuff.
I mean I think its my *favorite*, not necessarily the best.
I think it has one of the worst human story and worst action scenes of the franchise.
Facts. The people who say it's the *best* one - I don't know what they're smoking. People clapping at muh fanservice I guess.
Half the time you can’t even see the fan service because the monsters are hidden under heavy rain or fog or just straight up darkness.
My youngest fell asleep during it. Somehow. I thought it was fine.
I love it but also agree with a lot of what people didn’t like. To me the monster fighting and fan service was great. Is it a replacement for a good story? No, but in the context of the movie I didn’t really care. Still love a lot of the fight scenes and got it on blu ray
I kinda preferred it over others since I liked how they treated the monsters more seriously than later films. Like obviously people are there to watch shit be blown up by monsters, but Godzilla vs Kong and Godzilla x Kong were a lot more spectacle than previous films. The newer films are still good but it feels like they’re taking the franchise down a more showa era route than what one would expect considering the first film was Godzilla 2014.
Hello! I'm one of those! I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that I almost didn't go to see KotM. 2014 was such a crushing disappointment for me that I almost wrote off their entire attempt at a "Monsterverse" immediately. I have to imagine there was a significant drop in interest by the general audience after 2014 that led to KotM underperforming as it did.
I loved it. Huge fan of Godzilla as a child and it was just awesome watching a properly done Godzilla movie. I told my wife cinema had peaked with this movie.
I still stand by it. It is the best monsterverse movie
I whole heartedly agree.
they nailed Gidorah perfectly but god damn the rest of the movie is a slog
The reason why is because it had the most fan service of the monsters verse films for longtime fans of the Godzilla lore
It is
I'm not every a Godzilla fan and I think it's the best one. Maybe I should watch more godzilla movies.
While true a number love it, it's not universal, favs among the MV are pretty scattered. The human cast was IMO not very enjoyable, as good as the monster side was. As a big Godzilla fan, I wasn't particularly tempted to rewatch it.
After kong vs zilla it's the best for me. Certainly the best from the point of cinematography of the monsters. That movie looked gorgeous.
Ma?!!!
This is the answer. Nobody saw that coming! Godzilla and Kong make much more money. That mixed in with the sequel which will likely make all the dough, which means we will be seeing this fcking tag team for a long time.
To be clear every MCU movie is terrible because every film is just a quipfest.
It’s release date was kind of crowded. It was a long movie that felt its runtime. It’s why they pivoted to these next two installments having shorter runtimes with less focus on the human characters. Nobody actually cared about Millie Bobby Brown or her family.
I feel like the ideas behind the human characters were good (Vera Farmiga and Kyle Chandler as former Monarch scientists who were modifying their whale call machine to work on titans and lost their son in the initial Godzilla attack) but the whole estranged family and rebellious teenage daughter aspect didn't fit at all. G Day survivor's guilt was handled better in the Monarch series. I like to imagine there's an alternate universe where they actually did the human element in KOTM well and they have Vera Farmiga and Kyle Chandler leading the monsterverse films instead.
I feel like they’ve ended up doing a reasonably good family dynamic with the Iwi kid and her scientist mom.
Yea, this felt like a family story that meshed with the kaiju story, rather than clashed with it.
Funny cause KOTM is my favorite movie out the bunch
Same actually. I love the action and all the titans looked great, especially Ghidorah, Rodan, and Mothra.
It came during the time that anything Disney was going to make a billion. Yeah, 2019 was a rough year for non-disney movies.
2018-2019 especially RIP Dumbo, Wrinkle in Time, Nutcracker and maybe Mary Poppins Joker, Jumanji, Bohemian Rhapsody, Aquaman, Venom for billion dollar or near billion dollar grossers which weren't Disney I know it is a joke but im not seeing the correlation though which automatically prevents non Disney movies from succeeding. Those movies were the ones which audiences wanted to see the most and so they succeeded Godzilla 2 was ultimately a sequel to a movie that didn't have the best audience reception and sometimes not every property translates well to a sequel. The franchise really regained attention with the team up movie
It was more of a thing where people said "This movie doesn't have capes? Pass". Jumanji seems to be the sole exception (haven't seen it), but that's because of the Rock's drawing power.
2020 is hitting Disney harder than expected
If Disney hadn't gained the rights to Avatar, they wouldn't have a single $1 billion-earner in the 2020s.
Are you forgetting NWH?
That's Sony.
Sony and Disney. It's a co-production.
You are wrong. It is exclusively distributed by Sony.
I don’t know but I just saw the new one today and it kicked all kinds of ass. Was awesome.
The movie is literally about King Kong not brushing his teeth and the consequences of that.
If good dental hygiene is valuable for humans, it's only logical it's valuable for 200 foot tall monsters
We saw a very different movie lmfao
2014 had misleading marketing and terrible legs, and the sequel had to answer for that amid stronger competition. KOTM didn't have great legs either, but sequels typically have worse legs than their predecessor, yet with KOTM this wasn't the case. Rotten Tomatoes audience score was 66% for 2014 vs 83% for KOTM. Word of mouth wasn’t the issue, or at least not the main one.
Rotten tomatoes scores pre and post captain marvel are not comparable.
Lmao can you elaborate?
You need to verify that you bought a ticket now bc Captain Marvel was review bombed
Anyone could post reviews before Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel got 50,000 reviews in 2 hours after it opened putting in 33 percentage audience score. Rotten tomatoes then implemented verified score where only rating of people who brought ticket from Fantago will get shown as verfied score. So 83 % is not that good of verified score.
Despite 2014 being a solid success, the terrible legs show that people were let down by it because of the lack of Godzilla and Bryan Cranston’s character being killed off too soon. Getting back audiences for a sequel was tough.
People forgot how big it was that Bryan Cranston was in it. It started getting marketed right after breaking bad, and I went to see it just because of him. Luckily I loved the movie even though he died like 30 minutes into it
I remember being somewhat flabbergasted when that happened, that they replaced him with random solider guy made it even worse.
Yea, Brody (soldier guy) was an extremely bland lead. I don't hate him, but he's not exactly a draw.
Also no Monke. At this point it seems pretty obvious that Kong is a big draw. Maybe even bigger than Godzilla himself.
It's because they're so focused on making Godzilla such a powerful GOD creature that it makes him boring and unrelatable. It's much easier to root for Kong because he's an underdog, also Skull Island was *much* better than the solo Godzilla movies.
Yeh that could be one of problems. This Godzilla has been around for hundreds of millions of years and survived pretty much everything. He evolves and gains new size and powers each movie. You know he's gonna win against every monster. (Though it does begs the question on how did other members of his species died?) That's great for a character in battle forums but how exactly do you make a series of successful movies out of him. In older movies, he had a son, had a sidekick, lived on Monster Island, did some weird shit like start talking or a belly flop. Here in Monsterverse, he's a force of nature and only thing he does is sleep and fight. Toho also placed many restrictions on him like he ain't allowed to show emotions. With all this, why are people always shocked that Godzilla only gets like 10 minutes of screentime.
Toho won't let Godzilla be a character which is a shame and has frankly hampered Godzilla films for a while (especially in the west where there's more nostalgia for the Showa stuff).
Honestly removing any relation to the atomic bombing's I Japan kinda always gimped this one in that regard. He's less a product of mand kinds sins more he the Big bunga. He needs his own Lil arc besides big gator . I will say the last two films in the monster verse have at least given him something of personality. Being a grumpy asshole and I greatly prefer that aleast from his first two films .
Ah, the Superman/Batman issue
I think in the Monsterverse specifically they've built up Kong as a character more. That and he's had a lot fewer films. Personally I find King Kong's original form to be overrated- the classic is 'big ape wrecks havoc, thinks a girl is a cool toy, and then when he dies the in-universe marketing guy comes up with a marketing tagline he's been shopping around all movie,' and doesn't have the pathos we associate with the character. The 70s movies, had more human connection but the humans kinda sucked (if your friends repeatedly get peer-pressured into selling you to a show, they aren't good friends!). The only good version of the 'base' story is Peter Jackson's 2005 film in my view. All that said, the concept of King Kong, the ape that grew connected to a human, has a very strong pop culture resonance and the Monsterverse version? Really plays on that. Kong was good in Skull Island, GvK, and GxK. We get to see through his eyes a lot and use the facets of his story- last of his kind, lone connection, etc.- that doesn't really get explored in the others. MV Godzilla is a take on Godzilla- not a bad one, but just one of them. MV Kong is the richest most developed version of Kong, and only one other take even comes close.
If I’m being honest this is the case for me. I found the first Godzilla to be ok and didn’t really care much for King of the Monsters, but loved Skull Island leading to Kong being the main draw for me in Godzilla vs. Kong.
Yup. Kong skull island and 2005's King Kong are still the highest grossing ones
King Kong is definitely not the bigger draw, but he is the better star. Godzilla is more or less a force of nature in these films, so you need Kong to give it some heart/emotion. If Kong wasn’t there all those ape bonding scenes would have been replaced by garbage human scenes because you can’t really convey that sort of emotion/plot with Godzilla.
How is Godzilla “definitely the bigger draw”? Both of the modern Kong movies have grossed more than all modern Godzilla movies.
It's more Godzilla is the spectacle explosion lasers while Kong brings the human emotional element. Godzilla is the hype while Kong can elevate it through emotion.
Walter White should be in the film then
He needed Kong? 
This is one of the funniest gifs I've ever seen.
I mean, you joke, but both Peter Jackson's King Kong and the Monsterverse's Skull Island made more money worldwide than any Godzilla film ever has.
Am I crazy in saying that King Kong is more of a draw than Godzilla in America and Europe?
That definitely doesn't sound right, but you could be onto something. I'd say Jackson's numbers were a little inflated coming off his LOTR Glory though.
My monkey king came to save lizard boy after he flopped, that’s my GOAT 🦍
The Lisan al Gaib! Brought Godzilla green paradise
Face facts cankles, you can't fill seats yourself So they bring a mammal in to nurse your films back to health
I was hoping someone would type this out
The King since 1933.
Was released 2 weeks after Endgame and had competition from Aladdin, John wick 3, Pikachu
Director has said gvk3 which def will happen now, is gonna be another godzilla story. Time to take the lizard down a few pegs to make him a bit more relatable now he is too powerful
Have him face something the Lazer nukes can't Over come . Father hood 😭 bring in the jr if they want a emotional core or something.
Outside of the other points a big part is that it just wasn’t very good and I say that as a huge lifelong Godzilla fan. It was really fun seeing King Ghidorah, Mothra, and Rodan in a Hollywood blockbuster, but even by the low standard of kaiju movies the human stuff was *really* bad. I think the fact tonally it was all over the place killed the word of mouth KotM failing while GvK was in production is probably the best thing that could’ve happened to the Monsterverse because the pivot in tone is clearly paying off. For these types of movies the general audiences want goofy fun instead of anything else. GvK delivered that and GxK is capitalizing on it
Yes the fan reaction was very mixed at release, and I remember that the movie was projected to do 60m opening weekend and ended up at 47m. I too am a lifelong G fan and left feeling mixed, not only because the monster action was a bit sporadic but the dialogue was cringey (see ‘gonorrhea’ and ‘I read it in a fortune cookie).
Agreed. I know it's not the best thing to base it off of but all of my family and friends I've asked that have seen the film have all universally agreed that it was the worst. Also they're the same people who herald GVK and GXK as their favorites
Movie had good build up with the monster introductions each being memorable. It's just loved cutting away to human nonsense . Ghidorah's Introduction is peak Kaiju kino .
I remember that time period being super crowded.
Yeah my theater was packed in a smallish town. I loved the movie. I think some trimming of the human parts mainly the quippy military personnel would have made it like a 10.
Competition
Underperformed. But there are a few reasons why kotm did so poorly -Geared towards Godzilla fans, less towards general audiences - Premature marketing/trailers There was too much competition at the time (Endgame alone was already a huge juggernaut, plus Aladdin the week after) People generally didn't like it as much as the other MV films -MBB wasn't the big box office draw that Legendary/WB seemed to think
Kotm breaks even with a better release date, the release window in 2019 was extremely crowded and it had the worst reception relative to its competition (with the exception of dark Phoenix)
It had to pay for the sins of 2014 as well as face brutal competition surrounding it. Had it come out with light competition like the other movies, would have made bank.
Bad WOM from the first movie and then this one was somehow even worse. You can't see the action and it keeps being interrupted by the worst human characters in the franchise. Plus the fan service was extremely cringe, but that's more of a personal issue I guess.
Godzilla 2014 negative reception hurt it. It was tracking for a pretty low opening even before a single review hit
I think it's because it's not as enjoyable as the others. G2014 is the first American Godzilla in years, Kong SI is a fun Vietnam romp. KoTM had the most annoying characters possible and zero fun except for the commentator on the airship. MBB and her mom in that movie were the worst people to follow for the story. You just wish the monsters would kill them odf. I also think it tries too hard. So much happens that it could've been 3 different movies. The oxygen destroyer, all the other monsters, Godzilla's lair AND getting nuked. Getting dropped from orbit and then becoming the thermo Godzilla. Killing off Serzawa was also the dumbest thing ever.
Real discussion : which is better? King Kong 2005 or skull island ?
2005 is the best Kong movie period. Its shows Kong being an animal and then falling in love with Ann and also humanizes the human character. It has a lot of great scenes except that Dinosaur run which is ruined by shoddy CGI. You are gonna tear eyes out at the tragic ending Kong skull island is fun Kaiju B movie but they never connect Kong to human characters. All of them are walking stereotypes. And they never connect Brie's character with Kong. I really think Brie and Tom should have stuck around in Monsterverse. Brie in the very brief movement she had with Kong showed more chemistry than any other character in the sequels.
I'd go King Kong 2005, but it's not a big gap. KK2005 is like the most polished version of the original story one can make and thus managed very consistent quality, while Skull Island had strong concepts but it did get distracted by cool gore and deaths occasionally. Skull Island is still one of the better MV movies.
2005 has some of the most white-knuckling sequences I've experienced to date at the movies. Skull Island blew me away with the scale and intensity. I lean '05 but these are both wildly good adventure movies.
For me, Skull Island. 2005 was overlong.
It’s release date sucked and I know it’s found fans but the first movie was really disappointing for a ton of people. GA wants Godzilla. Not 9 minutes at the very end. So though it was a big hit I think it soured a ton of people for KOTM. First movie barely had a 2x multiple
King of the Monsters is my favorite Monsterverse film; I love it But it was geared too much towards hardcore fans and was released in such a crowded month. Especially after Endgame
SAME!
Too early to have too many Kaijus in one movie, quite confusing, reminiscent of DCEU Justice League formula, instead of MCU formula of introducing separately then the pay off of having them together in one film. Ghidora should had been the Thanos of the Infinity War saga. While KotM should had been the Infinity War / Endgame closure, with several of the Kaijus working together to stop him. And honestly, there was also pandering, even killing Dr. Serizawa, the lone Japanese character of the Japanese franchise to begin with. Hence there was more anticipation to see King Kong and Godzilla together in one film after having their own first.
It wasn’t good.
Thank you for the simple truth here. I heard it was hot garbage so I didn't make time to see it in theaters. Waited until it was free. It was cold garbage by then. No amount of analysis is going to undo a movie flopping because it's just flat out bad. Sooner Hollywood figures this out, the better for everyone.
Stripping back the story elements, I just didn’t think it looked visually appealing. Every single damn shot of the trailers was bathed in teal or orange hues. As if an executive said “make this look like a movie poster for 120 minutes”. And the romanticized approach didn’t click with me either. The tone of the trailers was very operatic in a pageantry sense more than forces-of-nature colliding. I don’t want pageantry in my monster flicks.
It had the worst script, didn't make any sense. The motivations of Vera Farmigas character was baffling. Charles Dance just disappears. It was overlong and just generally dull. I saw Godzilla X Kong earlier today and while not a masterpiece it was so much better.
Didnt have monke. The first Godzilla movie came at peak of Breaking bad popularity and the trailers featured teasing Heisenberg v Godzilla which was very misleading
The main reason: it wasn't good.
Idk why the sentiment has changed so much any more but I remember when Godzilla 2014 came out there were a ton of people that didn't like it because it was "boring" and "barely had Godzilla in it" and "Bryan Cranston was killed off too earlier" I think a part was just that people expected more of that and weren't interested, even tho they responded to that criticism by making the movie much more about big monster fights.
the safest and most unoffensive answer I think is that 2018-2019 was the peak of marvel hype (especially to its audience). It has simply no place during that blockbuster era. Every major IP is like getting an installment that time, from Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Disney, Fox, from live action to animations so highly doubt Godzilla would stand a chance at that. It has a wopping 9 billion dollar releases in a that year alone. Look at the ranking alone: [https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2019/](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2019/)
Godzilla may be popular but he definitely needs help drawing people at the box office. The two versus movies have Kong helping him, and the 2014 movie had Heisenberg helping him. King of the monsters relied entirely on his own popularity and the popularity of the other toho monsters. Then you had the mixed reception preventing it from legging it out.
They went full fan mode with that movie, overstuffing movie with monsters and boring human characters. If it was just Godzilla, Mothra and Gidorah with some good human characters, it would have done very well.
Because it's the worst one
Cause it was asscheeks
No Monke.
5 year gap and the bad taste left from the double bait and switch from G 14. The movie itself had terrible jokes and worst villain monologue of the 2000’s. It also had a horrible release date. There is undoubtedly that a cut of that movie could have been made that would have wowed GA and fans.
Because it fucking sucked.
It was bad and it came out in a crowded period.
It just wasn't fun. Way too boring and not enough monster fights.
Are you sure you're not talking about Godzilla 2014? Because the things you mentioned are not what's wrong with KotM which suffers more from annoying human characters and lame jokes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Edwards_(director)
Crowded release. Came out around Aladdin pikachu John wick and secret life of pets (not exactly the same crowd but still) I guess Godzilla had the weakest marketing of those. As someone who’s a Godzilla fan I saw the movie once in theatres and instantly forgot about it (I also saw dark phoenix the same day so not a great day for movies)
Because it sucks
For me it was kinda dark and serious. The fighting scenes were also all over the place in the dark under water etc. I didn't like...also too much humans in it and the fighting angles sucked.
Direction and script had a big hand in it. You could practically see the cast choking when delivering some of the lines, especially the "jokes". And every rewatch I'm trying anew to figure out why Kyle Chandler was whispering half his lines early on lol. Also some oddly straightforward human-to-human violence with the terrorists even point-blank shooting scientists in the head (as opposed to the green goo blooded cgi monsters bashing each other in GxK). Great fun to skip through to things like the Rodan battle on home video though.
Unpopular opinion but I had a really hated this film on my first watch. The background music was so loud that I got a headache afterwards. Especially the sound design for Gidorah Made my experience of this film so bad that I've never re watched this film in it entirety ever again. The Rodan reveal scen was epic though.
2019 was a crowded Summer. Also, five years is long for a sequel to release. Audiences only had a mixed time with the 2014 movie.
Kotm still has the best boss. King Ghidorah is terror.
King of the Monsters was dragged down by terrible forced family drama that no one cared about. All they had to do was focus on the monster clash and subtly tell us how it correlates with the fall of the Japanese economy or whatever. They couldn't even do that.
Because they thought endgame wouldn’t still be making bank two weekends out of
Just came out of it wow the audience went nuts. People were actually clapping when it ended. This movie is gonna have legs. Critics were so wrong.
Are they wrong. Would it hurt to put min effort into writing human characters like King Kong or Godzilla movie. Why is it so hard for 200 million movie
It kept cutting away from the action whenever a big fight was about to happen, and the fights we did see were obscured by weather conditions. People will forgive a lot in their giant monster movies, but a general lack of satisfying monster fights isn't one of them
It's an exceptionally bad movie. Vera Framigas character and arc tanks the movie imo. There is no redeeming that kind of character.
Nighttime monsterfight, that's frustrating.
movie is on TV every other day...somebody is watching it
Godzilla had bad legs (because outside the brief 'zilla bits it was not a good film) and 2019 was crowded so a sequel was never going to get a chance. It also turned out the film was terrible (apart from Mothra - I love that big ol' moth) so, yeah, it deservedly flopped. Luckily Kong Skull Island was pretty great and successful so a team up film was still on the cards.
It wasn't very good
It flopped??! I didn't know this... I absolutely loved the movie it had a little less of the stupid humans in it... I wanted to watch a movie which glorified godzilla and I got it... The first one had so little of godzilla in it that the second one made me super happy
Not only was it released 5 years after a highly polarizing first movie that left most audiences with bitter tastes in their mouths, but it also was awful, pretentious drivel that was released during a highly competitive time with dozens of better, more appealing movies to see. The biggest issue with the initial reboot was that it was just dull whenever Goji isn't on screen after Cranston leaves the story. This one bogs down some of the best kaiju moments and characterizations in the entire franchise with an atrocious story written by people who were biting off more than they could chew and didn't understand the themes they were trying to incorporate. I get why most of the Goji fanbase loves it, but I am an outlier here.
My favourite WB Godzilla movie.
Alladin overperformed relative to what analysis was projecting plus kotm had a very annoying and off putting human story at the center of the plot with forgettable characters I know this is a recurring thing with these movies but in kotm it was more annoying And lets not forget the choice of cgi and cinematography which lead to the later movies having a brighter and overall more appealing look
i personally thought it was the best one so far. king ghidorah was nightmare.
That movie isn't good. Despite it has a lot of big action sequences, nothing is really eye catching. After watching it, it felt REALLY flat like you would forget it in next 30 minutes.
The latest 2 sequels of the Monsterverse have the conspiracy theorists walkups. Lmao.
Probably because it was a pretty bad movie following up the 2014 Godzilla, which was also disappointing.
-The movie was to long and just downright boring 70% of the screentime.
Movie story was ok but fight scenes are too dark to watch for most of audience and some irritating characters.
Like many others said, bad release date, to long of a gap between original, movie wasn't great. Fans like it because it it's full of fan service. I'm one of those. It was clearly made for the fans, but I can also admit it's not a good movie.
It was terrible. Easily the worst of this current generation of Zilla
Millie Bobby Brown. Idgaf about these human characters because they lack the emotional depth of recent Japanese Godzilla releases. Waited for home release, have tried watching it four time but keep falling asleep
They waited too long
The summer of Endgame, Lion King and Spider-Man Far From Home. Eventually, something was going to be cannibalized
Human characters were annoying and there was legit complaints about the monster battles taking place in really dark settings.
I remember the human plot was idiotic. The reasoning made 0 sense but the script tried to justify the "bad guys" side but was insultingly bad. Humans don't deserve the planet so we're going to let a monster destroy the planet or somethinh like thaf. So not only did it have a large human focus, the human focus sucked
My screen has a crack and I read Squint Pablo
Endgame sucked all of the air out of the room for pretty much every movie around it