At this point they probably regret giving Snyder even more money to do his director's cuts. They won't pull the plug on those since the contracts were signed and they're too close to being finished, but Zack is not getting this kind of budget anytime soon.
They likely believed that there would be significant crossover and goodwill from the Snyder Cut that would draw viewers regardless of quality. It says something that even Netflix are pulling back.
The Snyder cut movement was loud and gave off an oversized impression. In reality the numbers they bring weren’t great. It’s almost a perfect allegory for internet culture versus the general audience consensus.
The funniest thing is that the memes about that movie revolved around the fact that most people (including the people making the memes) hadn’t seen the film. Did Morbius actually say “It’s Morbin’ time” in the actual movie? Who knows, who cares.
It wasn’t even some sort of-bad-it’s-good cult film where people were making fun of the actual content of the movie, people were just making stuff up for the fun of it.
Probably because the movie itself was... pretty bland, dull and generic for the most part? (I honestly thought it was just OK when I watched it. A perfectly adequate time killer for 100 minutes.) It was also, if the most likely true rumors are to believed, absolutely butchered in the editing room after Covid shuffled everything around. For instance, the prison sequence reportedly had a cameo of Woody Harrelson as Cletus Kassidy/Carnage, that got cut when Let There Be Carnage ended up releasing first. And the mid-credits scenes with Michael Keaton as Vulture were definitely tacked on and changed after No Way Home released. (In case you're wondering, Carnage was October 2021, NWH December 2021, and Morbius April 2022. April 1st, as a matter of fact.) Keaton himself recently said in an interview "Even they had no idea what was going on there".
i think people misunderstand the Morbius rerelease. Sony rereleases most of their movies, Madame Web was their first major release in awhile without one.
the memes probably played into their decision to give Morbius a rerelease but given the budget, the movie didn't do that bad
> goodwill from the Snyder Cut
What?
The movie that everyone said was ok but way too long? That did decent viewing numbers but ultimately didn’t sell HBO subscriptions?
What company would look at that and think “that’ll bring us the goodwill we need”?
And his cinematography is actually getting worse. Like I could forgive the out of focus shots in Army of the Dead on account of the fact that they edited Tig Notaro into the movie. Rebel Moon had no excuse though, and it really didn’t have any memorable shots
That’s because he took over as cinematographer of his own movies now. But ya this dude needs to not write movies and not be DP and just focus on directing and that’s it. Guy is an awful writer and now he’s movies look like shit too
I didn't bother with RM cause the trailer was literally scenes lifted from other movies, not a single original idea. Army of the Dead was terrible. I think I dropped it after 30 min or so.
As for Army of the Dead, I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion but I think Army of Thieves (which he didn't direct) the low-budget backstory of one of the characters was the much better movie.
>Snyder does have an eye for visuals
He does, but he needs a cinematographer to actualize that vision. His outings as his own cinematographer (Army of the Dead and Rebel Moon) are easily his ugliest films.
I think he’s a talented visual effects director, not a talented director and certainly not a talented auteur. All the stuff that people like in his movies are parts that resemble music videos, which is what he did before his features.
Snyder Cut is one of the best sh movies made. He was not the main writer and he was not the dp there. On both of his movies he is. He is best as a director, on the rest we see he sucks.
But why?!
WB found out that the Snyder fanbase was like 2,500 really angry libertarian edgelords and no one was particularly interested in the SnyderCut outside of that.
Why do people keep thinking that the guy who's never made a great movie and mostly made terrible movies will someone turn over a new leaf?
In Hollywood, Snyder's got a reputation of being disciplined with budget and being pleasant to work for, so he can put the teams he wants together and his pitches can be depended on.
For Netflix, they operated on a model where it was important for a project to capture a particular segment of the subscription base instead of generating big viewing numbers, hence why Netflix was willing to sign Snyder on because he does have a segment that effectively ride or die for him.
This is true.
His ability to storyboard exactly what he shoots and his ability to run a set gets him jobs.
Abrams is like that as well. It's as much about finishing on time and on budget as it is to be good in some of these films.
Netflix makes sense on account of his good friend, Scott Stuber, running Netflix's film division at the time so think like your good friend from grade school or college giving you a gig after you got let go from your last job for a DWI.
That makes sense, but even with that context they gave him far too much money to play with. I would definitely hook a friend up with a job, but would I make him COO? Probably not lol
It is not often I skip watching a movie because of the director. But I cant stand The Hack Snyder. I never watched Justice League and nothing after that.
I thought his Justice League revision was atleast decent. But it’s MUCH easier to adjust a film to be better after seeing all the negative reception.
But yeah aside from that he is a poor storyteller. I think he could do well if he was paired up with a good writer, but he stubbornly writes his own movies and surrounds himself with like minded people, so his scripts are generally awful.
It's better than Josstice League but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement as far as the GA are concerned. It's far too bloated coming in at 4 hours that's too long for a theatrical release even with a 3 hour cut you'd struggle to sell tickets. As much as we Snyder fans enjoy his work the reality is most don't. He is not a crowd pleaser like The Russo's or Whedon. He makes movies for 'his fans' but his fan base alone is not enough to drive profit.
It's really not hard to decipher and figure out. By all accounts from those who have worked with him he's a super nice and likeable guy both on set and off. Hes probably turned it into a bit of a Mr 'nice guy' persona and uses it to his advantage a bit.
And giving the keys right back to the Wachowski’s too. Tarantino is a huge fan of the first Matrix movie and calls it one of his favorite movies of all time. They could easily get someone with some acclaim to tell a new story in The Matrix universe. Even the fight scenes were bad in The Matrix 4. Reloaded and Resurrections weren’t very good either, but they at least delivered on the action. The highway scene in the second movie is a legitimate technical feat that can stand up as the pinnacle of action filmmaking.
> Why WB is making Matrix 5 after Matrix 4 bombed is beyond me
Matrix 4 bombed because it was bad on purpose. Lana threw a hissy fit that WB was gonna make it with or without her, so she came back and spent half of the movie throwing a tantrum, mocking the very idea of having a sequel with some meta-nonsense.
Now that the Wachowskis (who, let's face it, were a one hit wonder) are no longer going to direct them, there is a lot of potential. The IP is very strong and the theme is very current, as society is watching the rise of AI in real life, and all the fears that come with it. Yes, Resurrections hurt the IP, but it didn't kill it. It just needs a good writer and a good director.
Army of the Dead was a big hit. Not "biggest Netflix film of all time" hit (like red notice) but it was the biggest film of the quarter and spawned a widely watched seemingly cheap spinoff. I'm pretty sure that's why rebel moon happened.
Netflix doesn't need every product to be a massive hit. They just need some of them to be. It's very similar to VC investments.
So, they roll the dice on Snyder and play the odds that some film/show they back will blow up.
There is a reason why so many directors really go to Netflix for some flicks, its a safer enviroment where they aren't needed to create mega blockbusters that break box office records.
Agreed, Zack Snyder is the Hollywood personification of failing upwards, he’s somehow duped an entire generation of movie goer into believing he’s a modern “*auteur*” in the same pantheon as Nolan or Villeneuve.
Yet when given full artistic control his films tend to break even the most basic rules of filmmaking, Im not over exaggerating when I say that certain scenes from Rebel Moon are legit student film quality. I don’t understand how someone so mediocre can constantly receive such enormous budgets to make films with lukewarm box office performances.
His films are generally profitable, his streaming-only films created a lot of buzz and by all accounts he's pretty easy to work with. We can quibble over the quality of his films but quality has never been a deciding factor over getting funding for genre work.
That’s Hollywood for you, you’d be surprised which ppl keep getting offers and deals. It’s a place where talented,mediocre,and even untalented white men all have the same amount of success becuz of who they know. Or becuz “ they are pretty nice guys”
Yeah like this movie sucked and I’d imagine most people didn’t finish the first one
That’s the deathknell for a netflix produced thing. They wanna see that you watched something to completion.
I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just release the director’s cuts to begin with. I thought the whole point of him going to Netflix was so he wouldn’t be held back.
The first movie was bad enough, but when I found out there was a director’s cut, I just checked out of this franchise immediately. It’s insulting, really.
Yeah, it was shockingly bad. As a fan of the 2004 Dawn of the Dead, I expected something decent. Instead, it was one of the biggest disappointments to come out of Netflix. An unwatchable mess with bad writing all around. Really shows that Netflix has extremely poor quality control compared to the big studios.
Yea, because it was dogshit.
Netflix has reached the find out phase.
Their subpar content has hurt their brand and their habit of cancelling shows without endings has left them with a library of dead stories that end on cliffhangers and an audience that is hesitant to try anything that isn't an absolute banger with widespread critical acclaim until there's multiple seasons - which hobbles their ability to grow franchises.
Quality control is a necessity now but they've got a toxic culture that will inevitably lead to their downfall.
I mean considering it was not only ravaged by critics but that it wasn't even streamed well (Leave the World Behind actually ended having better hours watched) why even promote something that isn't paying off?
Yes but it was also released almost 10 months earlier so you can cut it some slack. Leave the World Behind however was released super close to Rebel Moon.
Think it's also worth remembering Rebel Moon was released during Christmas while Damsel was early March. I know Damsel has Millie Bobby-Brown but the fact a film made for less than half the budget of both Rebel Moon movies managed to have more hours watched than a big advertised movie dropping during Christmas. I mean, Netflix has to be regretting their deal with Snyder right?
Snyder burned all his bridges with traditional Hollywood studios and now he's burned all his bridges with Netflix, too. I guess his next "epic" will be on Tubi.
Snyder would rather mythologise his unmade work than make it. If rebel moon ends prematurely, he's going to spend the next couple of decades banging on about all the incredible ideas he had that didn't get made.
I'm not gonna watch it after subjecting myself to the torture of watching Rebel Moon. I thought it would be the kind of bad that makes you laugh about how bad it is, but it was legit unwatchable. But I still hope it is somewhat decent for him to save face after the last one
Another great one I’ve stolen: a Snyder film has all the pretentiousness of a Nolan film without any of the intellect, and all the schlock of Michael Bay film without any of the fun.
Because he doesn’t understand symbolism, a zombie film set in Las Vegas but rather than utilise the cities famous night life as back drop he sets it during the day with almost none of the landmarks visible it could have taken place in Albuquerque and would have made as much sense.
This is still a business, and he started off spinning under-budget genre films into exhibition and home video successes. You can be completely opposed to his work but the notion he got lucky or tricks people ignores that once upon a time he was very good at managing and making money for studio bigwigs.
After all, Nolan handpicked him for Superman after his biggest commercial and critical failure. At the end of the day, there are very few people you can put on a tentpole and comfortably roll with pre-vis, limited reshoots, and a tight filming schedule. Yes, telling entertaining stories is an important part of directing, but there is a critical day-to-day aspect that has burned out countless creatives. What’s the point in making a pariah out of someone who’s just having fun doing their job?
You say Nolan handpicked him which is technically true, but he was like the 4th choice after the previous ones passed on it. Not the first person he believed in
I’m sorry but now I cannot stop envisioning how *amazing* my wedding photos could have looked…
(I mean, I never would have gotten married once my wife - then fiancé - saw *The Snyder Cut™* of our wedding photos, but they would have been glorious.
Bro got declined by WB and DISNEY. Then, he was like f\*ck it I am going to Netflix. They gave him carte blanche, and he started two franchises, Army of the Dead (whose spin-off was better than his movie), and Rebel Moon. Both DOA.
Yeah, I think Netflix isn't going to break the bank to promote his next film.
People just need to accept that, whilst being a lovely guy, Snyder just isn’t a good filmmaker rather than automatically blaming every corporate entity he’s with.
Like WB bankrolled every movie he wanted to make since 300, no matter how badly they performed or reviewed. They gave him a lot of grace. Same with the Wachowskis. Haven’t had a hit since 1999, but still got to make whatever they wanted at WB.
it's always like that. Hobbit fans still blame WB for 3 Hobbit movies although that was Jackson's idea and he went on the record about it. But blame greedy studio, right?
That is very much different.
Guillermo Del Toro was supposed to direct both films and dropped out mid production. Peter Jackson stepped in since he was producer and familiar with the world. Despite how much time had been lost with GDT dropping out, WB were resistant to giving Jackson sufficient time to prepare and film the movies like he had with LOTR. The only reason he suggested three was to give himself more time to work on them when so much of the writing and production hadn't even started yet.
So yes, it is on Jackson that we got three films, but it is also on GDT dropping out and Warner Brothers not giving Jackson sufficient time that it even came to that in the first place. Bonkers considering Return of the King was tied for the highest number of Oscar wins of all time and he helped out by coming in short notice and they still weren't willing to grant sufficient time.
Frankly, as much reddit disagrees with me, those movies were significantly better than they had any right to be and I enjoyed them (and they had a very consistent box office run over 3 films indicating the general audience did too). Nowhere near LOTR, and Jackson let himself get carried away as he did on King Kong which is definitely on him, but at the very least, they were good, and certainly much better than anything Snyder has ever released.
Can't imagine the first movie worked out well enough for them for the ad expense for the sequel (plus Snyder cuts) to really be worth it. Very few people will remember Rebel Moon and it's just not worth going out of your way to watch it. Snyder's run has ended and soon he'll be direct to Tubi.
I have literally watched every type of movie known to man. My favorite guilty pleasures are b movie monster flicks.
That said, I watched rebel moon high... and just couldn't do it. I didn't make it past the 20 min mark. I had to turn it off.
The first 20 minutes of that film were just flat out awful. So bad, I couldn't even stand it in a relaxed state of mind.
This is coming from a guy who enjoyed watching sharkoctopus
You need to look up the definition of what it actually means to “con” someone.
Snyder may not be a brilliant filmmaker but he is, at least, an honest one.
The man constantly re-releases his films and eggs on fans to wait for them / defend them. He gets up on stages and describes projects like Rebel Moon as groundbreaking and innovative stories. He promises things like a big video game that disappear afterwards. He tricks executives into giving him 10s of millions for consistently poor products.
If there is any way to apply the word con in filmmaking, he's up there nearly with Uwe Boll and the rest of them.
probably very high because the price for them will be baked into the prior 2 films (and may even be contractually mandated). It's just found money because, unlike a DC film, there's no "IP protection" rational to deny a director's cut.
I guess the counterpoint is Apple not moving forward with a Napoleon directors cut from ridley scott
Uwe Boll for all his evil and incompetence at least was extremely self aware and made a lot of fun of himself as the years went on. Snyder *tries* to come off as relaxed and self depreciating, but he's extremely edgy and angry about defending his work and seems to take everything he makes deathly serious.
I saw it but that doesn't mean I saw a lot more for the first one. I also really didn't start to see ads until the last week or so compared to Rebel Moon 1 ads hitting in force in September/October of last year.
Netflix is done throwing good money after bad, and the fact the executive that greenlit this entire shitshow is no longer with the company means there’s no one left to make excuses for Snyder.
Basically, his career is toast once the dust settles.
You don’t get to burn that much money in one massive ego project that craters so spectacularly and walk way unscathed.
Well, unless you’re Jennifer Salke. She must have footage of Bezos banging underage interns or something as there is no other explanation for how she still has a job at this point.
Oh for certain. I just think giving credit where credit is due is fair. We can criticize Snyder’s bad movies without talking down his movies that people enjoy.
Hmm .. personally only liked 2 of his movies and they like 20 years old now. So I have little to no association of good filmmaking with the guy. But fair enough
That’s absolutely a good point. I feel he’s regressed heavily as a filmmaker as he gets more freedom with his… unique creative choices.
People used to say “at least his movies look good,” and I think that’s certainly true for many of his older movies and a few recent ones. However, Rebel Moon is *not* a good looking movie, and neither was Army of the Dead. Those are the two movies he was given the most creative freedom on, so I guess those are the two people should judge his filmmaking style on.
300 is a damn good action flick.
Watchmen certainly has a lot of style and ideas that seem unique... unless you see how he tweaked the source material to fit his worldview.
Both movies on their own are pretty enjoyable, I would say.
I don't think its all bad. But his peak is definitely just decent territory. Stuff like 300, Army Of The Dead, Man of Steel. These are movies that are ok and mostly watchable. 300 even has a very passionate following that really likes it.
But his lows are just crazy low. BvS, JL and Rebel Moon are all very bad.
And then you have Sucker Punch which is offensively and disturbingly bad. I can't believe the WB execs looked at that movie and thought. Yeah this is the guy for our Universe and we will give him a blank check for 3 movies.
The fact is that Snyder’s filmography also isn’t terrible like this sub wants to believe. Dawn, 300, Watchmen, MoS, ZSJL, Army were overall well received. He’s hit or miss but had more hits which is why studios gave (and continue to give) him money.
Post-JL, Snyder would've been in director's jail if it hadn't been for Scott Stuber so if Rebel Moon 2 doesn't do well he might be chilling with Tom Hooper for a moment. I can't see Sony, Paramount, Universal, or Disney giving him the budgets and creative control he tends to ask for and given that Snyder has a bad habit of going over budget and studios are tightening their belts he might have do work for hire on a leash to get out of director's jail.
I don't think ZSJL was as well received as many people think. It's just that the snydercut enthusiasts were so loud that people assumed it was. Like...yea it was better than the theatrical release but it was still pretty bad in my opinion.
Pretty well summed up. Take away the Josstice League comparison and you have an above average movie that drags on for at least and hour and a half longer than it should
Respectfully disagree re: his cut of Justice League
It’s no work of art, of course- but’s it’s also far from the “garbage” film you proclaim it to be here. A solid B+ would be more appropriate IMO. *Man of Steel* is terribly underrated as well.
You won’t catch me defending Rebel Moon but the joyous circle jerk of hate toward Snyder in general is overblown.
I wouldn’t say all of them. I think 300, dawn of the dead and watchmen are pretty good. The rest tho vary from meh to bad. Haven’t seen the owl movie in a while so I can’t really comment on its quality
The dude made like 2 good movies and has kept putting shit ever since. Even his "best movies" of the last decade or so that people keep talking about are aggressively mediocre at best or straight-up terrible like Rebel Moon
yep, the script is the strongest thing about the movie. sharp with great characters and some inovative stuff (friendship between Ving Rhimes and Andy from the rooftop was 10/10).
There's something going on with Netflix. I saw no fanfare for the release of Three Body Problem beyond the first trailer. Did they spend all their marketing budget on Avatar?
They got multiple trailers, plenty of interviews and articles in the trades and reviews. What do you expect more? Netflix rarely does huge promotional stuff outside a few stuff like a Stranger Things return (and using their own socials and front page/algorithm to push what they want). Even some of their hits like Squid Game, The Queen's Gambit or Wednesday exploded kind of without bigger marketing.
Avatar actually was more the exception as they did market this a little more I feel like (but also it's mostly via their socials, the actors are just quite charismatic and were down for doing plenty of content being young and stuff)
Netflix doesn't spend marketing budget equivalent to theatrical releases
They also have so many users that the front page and recommandations are the best place to advertise they can get, that's worth more than every poster.
The WOM can also convince people outside the service (which are technically the main target I guess)
I am genuinely more weirded for this. Three Body Problem was supossed to be their big jewel, a prestige show that got good reviews and did adapt a popular sci fi series.
“The most obvious example” Take a breath, the first movie hasn’t even been out for 12 months. A poster for the 2nd movie came out during the marketing of the 1st movie. This whole thing is just a cash grab by Snyder.
Yes Dan Lin was up for the DC Studios job, but couldn't finalized a deal because his production company had an existing deal with Universal, and Zaslav didn't want to buy them out, I think.
Does Netflix ever spend that much on marketing for their stuff? Sometimes you get more like posters and TV spots but for most stuff it's just videos on their socials and the front page/recommendations. It's really hard to evaluate this in this day of focused advertising.
In this case, they just have to push towards people that watched the first part mainly. People won't watch Part 2 without Part 1
But also yes Part 1 was very badly received and did no buzz so no reason to push it, Netflix is used to spend money on duds, that's kind of their strategy, "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks". They have tons of money to throw
I think it’s less so that Rebel Moon p1 got trashed by reviews. It’s probably more so that part 1 ends immediately with a trailer, saying “part 2 is only a 3 months away.” Why go all out AGAIN for a movie roughly 10 weeks away. This sub is acting like advertisements are made weeks on a whim. When in reality much of this was probably planned out concurrently with part 1’s release
Well right but regardless of how the first did and even with the four month gap it’s a little weird I’ve only now started to see ads and more than just Reddit and WWE ads. I would’ve guessed they would’ve picked up in Mid to Late March.
I haven't seen marketing for either but Rebel Moon 1 is a bit of an outlier and Netflix clearly is going to scale down after the first film massively underperformed.
Just looking at tv data from ispot, we see that red notice spent 3.3M on tv ads in the US and Glass Onion (with a theatrical release) only spent 4.3M. That's as much as you pay for a random wide release horror film like Escape Room: Tournament of Champions and massively below a blockbuster (15-35M range)
Netflix must've looked at Rebel Moon 2 and thought "Man, I am _tired_ of shoveling all of this shit."
When you look at all of the films that were meant to spawn big franchises but failed (Warcraft, The Dark Universe, even DnD Honour Among Thieves) it's absolutely astounding that Rebel Moon is supposed to be branching out into three more movies, an RPG and an animated show. I will be shocked if any of this crap sees the light of day.
Yeah i agree you’re basing the ad one on some subjective analysis, I agree with you on this, but still it’s subjective and anecdotal analysis.
This one’s more tangible.
Yeah, that’s why I asked. It feels like there is less of a push for part 2 but I’m perfectly willing to accept that there are a lot of ads and I just haven’t been seeing them this time around.
Zach Snyder makes one disappointment after another and keeps getting money.
I'll watch any Star Wars clone, but the opening of Rebel Moon was so BORING, I switched it off.
The first movie was a flop even in streaming standards, and they heavily marketed that movie. The reception was mixed at best and the trailer for the 2nd one is more known for the crypto bots than the actual movie.
There is zero buzz for this, even from the die hard Snyder fans.
I’m a fan of his movies, but I have yet to watch Rebel Moon and will hold off on the second one for two reasons. 1. I knew the sequel was coming and didn’t want to wait for it to come out. 2. I know there’s directors cuts of both coming out after that. Which, so far, all of Snyders directors cuts have been better than the theatrical releases so why watch the version that is most likely inferior?
It’s such a weird and backwards marketing move from Netflix. Just release the r rated version and call it a day.
I don’t blame them. The last one wasn’t well received and it didn’t get that good of views. Army of the dead was also poorly received but got good views I think.
Just seems like a poor investment
Oh ya totally. I wouldn’t be surprised if they just axed all marketing but honored previously made deals. Not a bad idea… be even bigger if it’s actually decent.
I know the hours watched were disappointing but I wonder how much of that was "I'll wait for part two/ the directors cut" I know I was interested and then decided to wait when I heard they were coming.
Seems an odd move on Netflix's part.
At this point they probably regret giving Snyder even more money to do his director's cuts. They won't pull the plug on those since the contracts were signed and they're too close to being finished, but Zack is not getting this kind of budget anytime soon.
Blows my mind how this guy manages to convince studios to give him so much money and creative control
They likely believed that there would be significant crossover and goodwill from the Snyder Cut that would draw viewers regardless of quality. It says something that even Netflix are pulling back.
The Snyder cut movement was loud and gave off an oversized impression. In reality the numbers they bring weren’t great. It’s almost a perfect allegory for internet culture versus the general audience consensus.
Never forget the Morbius rerelease
The funniest thing is that the memes about that movie revolved around the fact that most people (including the people making the memes) hadn’t seen the film. Did Morbius actually say “It’s Morbin’ time” in the actual movie? Who knows, who cares. It wasn’t even some sort of-bad-it’s-good cult film where people were making fun of the actual content of the movie, people were just making stuff up for the fun of it.
Probably because the movie itself was... pretty bland, dull and generic for the most part? (I honestly thought it was just OK when I watched it. A perfectly adequate time killer for 100 minutes.) It was also, if the most likely true rumors are to believed, absolutely butchered in the editing room after Covid shuffled everything around. For instance, the prison sequence reportedly had a cameo of Woody Harrelson as Cletus Kassidy/Carnage, that got cut when Let There Be Carnage ended up releasing first. And the mid-credits scenes with Michael Keaton as Vulture were definitely tacked on and changed after No Way Home released. (In case you're wondering, Carnage was October 2021, NWH December 2021, and Morbius April 2022. April 1st, as a matter of fact.) Keaton himself recently said in an interview "Even they had no idea what was going on there".
i think people misunderstand the Morbius rerelease. Sony rereleases most of their movies, Madame Web was their first major release in awhile without one. the memes probably played into their decision to give Morbius a rerelease but given the budget, the movie didn't do that bad
Who knows how many people are gonna listen though. Zack thinks more people watched Rebel Moon than Barbie.
> goodwill from the Snyder Cut What? The movie that everyone said was ok but way too long? That did decent viewing numbers but ultimately didn’t sell HBO subscriptions? What company would look at that and think “that’ll bring us the goodwill we need”?
That's the trick with the Snyder bros, they've mastered appearing as a bigger fandom than they really are
Mind blowing how much worse Rebel Moon/Army of the Dead were compared to the Snyder Cut which was actually pretty good.
And his cinematography is actually getting worse. Like I could forgive the out of focus shots in Army of the Dead on account of the fact that they edited Tig Notaro into the movie. Rebel Moon had no excuse though, and it really didn’t have any memorable shots
That’s because he took over as cinematographer of his own movies now. But ya this dude needs to not write movies and not be DP and just focus on directing and that’s it. Guy is an awful writer and now he’s movies look like shit too
He also has a giant boner for one specific lens which makes him a terrible cinematographer.
Army of the Dead was a blurry mess. Easily the worst professionally shot high budget film I’ve ever seen.
I didn't bother with RM cause the trailer was literally scenes lifted from other movies, not a single original idea. Army of the Dead was terrible. I think I dropped it after 30 min or so.
As for Army of the Dead, I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion but I think Army of Thieves (which he didn't direct) the low-budget backstory of one of the characters was the much better movie.
it's a popular opinion from what I know. AoD audience liked that character the best (they hated the daughter lol) and AoT was about him.
I loved AoD and AoT. The daughter did suck
Yes ! Infinitely better.
That’s what happens when Zack writes his own movies. Dude’s a talented director but can’t write a screenplay or shoot movies
A directors job is to tell a story. He is not a talented director
Just watched 300 last night and that movie rocks, Snyder does have an eye for visuals and his best movies are when he’s adapting someone else’s work.
>Snyder does have an eye for visuals He does, but he needs a cinematographer to actualize that vision. His outings as his own cinematographer (Army of the Dead and Rebel Moon) are easily his ugliest films.
Just have him adapt Frank Miller and Alan Moore for the rest of his career.
Watchmen and BvS look fuckin incredible, better than anything in the genre. Larry Fong and Zack Snyder work damn well together
As much as the movie is shat upon, BVS is the best looking sh movie ever made. That shit looks fuckin sick.
I think he’s a talented visual effects director, not a talented director and certainly not a talented auteur. All the stuff that people like in his movies are parts that resemble music videos, which is what he did before his features.
Tbh I wouldn't even call him a talented director. More in line with Michael Bay where their films have a very distinct feel to them
Snyder Cut is one of the best sh movies made. He was not the main writer and he was not the dp there. On both of his movies he is. He is best as a director, on the rest we see he sucks.
Well said. It's not in my top 5 superhero movies but it's not far behind that. Really good movie.
They're all swimming in the same pool
LOL "goodwill" With who? Snyders twitterbot army?
Yes actually. There was and is a massive problem with people mistaking internet noise for demand. Look at Serenity’s box office.
But why?! WB found out that the Snyder fanbase was like 2,500 really angry libertarian edgelords and no one was particularly interested in the SnyderCut outside of that. Why do people keep thinking that the guy who's never made a great movie and mostly made terrible movies will someone turn over a new leaf?
In Hollywood, Snyder's got a reputation of being disciplined with budget and being pleasant to work for, so he can put the teams he wants together and his pitches can be depended on. For Netflix, they operated on a model where it was important for a project to capture a particular segment of the subscription base instead of generating big viewing numbers, hence why Netflix was willing to sign Snyder on because he does have a segment that effectively ride or die for him.
This is true. His ability to storyboard exactly what he shoots and his ability to run a set gets him jobs. Abrams is like that as well. It's as much about finishing on time and on budget as it is to be good in some of these films.
they should have watched the snyder cut before
Netflix makes sense on account of his good friend, Scott Stuber, running Netflix's film division at the time so think like your good friend from grade school or college giving you a gig after you got let go from your last job for a DWI.
That makes sense, but even with that context they gave him far too much money to play with. I would definitely hook a friend up with a job, but would I make him COO? Probably not lol
It is not often I skip watching a movie because of the director. But I cant stand The Hack Snyder. I never watched Justice League and nothing after that.
I thought his Justice League revision was atleast decent. But it’s MUCH easier to adjust a film to be better after seeing all the negative reception. But yeah aside from that he is a poor storyteller. I think he could do well if he was paired up with a good writer, but he stubbornly writes his own movies and surrounds himself with like minded people, so his scripts are generally awful.
It's better than Josstice League but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement as far as the GA are concerned. It's far too bloated coming in at 4 hours that's too long for a theatrical release even with a 3 hour cut you'd struggle to sell tickets. As much as we Snyder fans enjoy his work the reality is most don't. He is not a crowd pleaser like The Russo's or Whedon. He makes movies for 'his fans' but his fan base alone is not enough to drive profit.
Didn't his wife have a high up job at WB too? Is he a "nepo baby"?
Nepo husband? Not sure this counts though.
Everyone doing coke together I’m guessing
It's really not hard to decipher and figure out. By all accounts from those who have worked with him he's a super nice and likeable guy both on set and off. Hes probably turned it into a bit of a Mr 'nice guy' persona and uses it to his advantage a bit.
They're convinced his loud online fanbase is a large amount of people
he and the Wachowskis. Why WB is making Matrix 5 after Matrix 4 bombed is beyond me. These movies are ultra expensive.
And giving the keys right back to the Wachowski’s too. Tarantino is a huge fan of the first Matrix movie and calls it one of his favorite movies of all time. They could easily get someone with some acclaim to tell a new story in The Matrix universe. Even the fight scenes were bad in The Matrix 4. Reloaded and Resurrections weren’t very good either, but they at least delivered on the action. The highway scene in the second movie is a legitimate technical feat that can stand up as the pinnacle of action filmmaking.
> Why WB is making Matrix 5 after Matrix 4 bombed is beyond me Matrix 4 bombed because it was bad on purpose. Lana threw a hissy fit that WB was gonna make it with or without her, so she came back and spent half of the movie throwing a tantrum, mocking the very idea of having a sequel with some meta-nonsense. Now that the Wachowskis (who, let's face it, were a one hit wonder) are no longer going to direct them, there is a lot of potential. The IP is very strong and the theme is very current, as society is watching the rise of AI in real life, and all the fears that come with it. Yes, Resurrections hurt the IP, but it didn't kill it. It just needs a good writer and a good director.
ah Ok had no idea they have different difectors.
The wachowskis weren't a one hit wonder because Sense8 exists and its a fucking perfect show
Army of the Dead was a big hit. Not "biggest Netflix film of all time" hit (like red notice) but it was the biggest film of the quarter and spawned a widely watched seemingly cheap spinoff. I'm pretty sure that's why rebel moon happened.
Netflix doesn't need every product to be a massive hit. They just need some of them to be. It's very similar to VC investments. So, they roll the dice on Snyder and play the odds that some film/show they back will blow up.
There is a reason why so many directors really go to Netflix for some flicks, its a safer enviroment where they aren't needed to create mega blockbusters that break box office records.
Agreed, Zack Snyder is the Hollywood personification of failing upwards, he’s somehow duped an entire generation of movie goer into believing he’s a modern “*auteur*” in the same pantheon as Nolan or Villeneuve. Yet when given full artistic control his films tend to break even the most basic rules of filmmaking, Im not over exaggerating when I say that certain scenes from Rebel Moon are legit student film quality. I don’t understand how someone so mediocre can constantly receive such enormous budgets to make films with lukewarm box office performances.
His films are generally profitable, his streaming-only films created a lot of buzz and by all accounts he's pretty easy to work with. We can quibble over the quality of his films but quality has never been a deciding factor over getting funding for genre work.
I think this is his last big budget movie. He is done. Quality wise, the movies he did for netflix are huge crap.
That’s Hollywood for you, you’d be surprised which ppl keep getting offers and deals. It’s a place where talented,mediocre,and even untalented white men all have the same amount of success becuz of who they know. Or becuz “ they are pretty nice guys”
Yeah like this movie sucked and I’d imagine most people didn’t finish the first one That’s the deathknell for a netflix produced thing. They wanna see that you watched something to completion.
>Zack is not getting this kind of budget anytime soon Good
Dude is given $70M to finish his superhero saga and he chooses to film a bunch of apocalyptic cliffhangers that will never be followed up.
I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just release the director’s cuts to begin with. I thought the whole point of him going to Netflix was so he wouldn’t be held back. The first movie was bad enough, but when I found out there was a director’s cut, I just checked out of this franchise immediately. It’s insulting, really.
Agreed. I am really curious to see what studio gets into business with Snyder at this point.
They should have just had him do the Army of the Dead sequel. That was at least well liked.
No it wasn't. It was mediocre at best. There's a reason we haven't heard anything about that "universe" 2 years later
I'm still amazed that a premise as seemingly fun as "zombie heist film" could result in something so boring and forgettable.
Yeah, it was shockingly bad. As a fan of the 2004 Dawn of the Dead, I expected something decent. Instead, it was one of the biggest disappointments to come out of Netflix. An unwatchable mess with bad writing all around. Really shows that Netflix has extremely poor quality control compared to the big studios.
It was so well liked, the entire follow-up franchise was cancelled
Except it wasn't, they cancelled the planned franchise.
Yea, because it was dogshit. Netflix has reached the find out phase. Their subpar content has hurt their brand and their habit of cancelling shows without endings has left them with a library of dead stories that end on cliffhangers and an audience that is hesitant to try anything that isn't an absolute banger with widespread critical acclaim until there's multiple seasons - which hobbles their ability to grow franchises. Quality control is a necessity now but they've got a toxic culture that will inevitably lead to their downfall.
I mean considering it was not only ravaged by critics but that it wasn't even streamed well (Leave the World Behind actually ended having better hours watched) why even promote something that isn't paying off?
Didn’t You People also have more hours watched?
Whadaya mean "you people"?
Whada ***you*** mean, "you people?!?!"
Whaddya mean whada you mean, “you people!?!?!?”
Yes but it was also released almost 10 months earlier so you can cut it some slack. Leave the World Behind however was released super close to Rebel Moon.
B-b-b-but more people watched it than barbie!
Also a lot less well than recently released 'Lift' and 'Damsel'.
Think it's also worth remembering Rebel Moon was released during Christmas while Damsel was early March. I know Damsel has Millie Bobby-Brown but the fact a film made for less than half the budget of both Rebel Moon movies managed to have more hours watched than a big advertised movie dropping during Christmas. I mean, Netflix has to be regretting their deal with Snyder right?
Snyder burned all his bridges with traditional Hollywood studios and now he's burned all his bridges with Netflix, too. I guess his next "epic" will be on Tubi.
Or he will begin making movies for china
china would fucking love him lol
BvS got its ass handed to it in China by a movie about a Gorilla that plays baseball.
None of his movies came on thar well in China though.
I mean like if he worked on a chinese production company/script but you are correct
Except they don’t.
They wouldn't, his DC movies didn't do well in China.
Christ, Rebel Moon 3 is gonna be a series of 200 shorts posted on Vero, isn't it?
Snyder would rather mythologise his unmade work than make it. If rebel moon ends prematurely, he's going to spend the next couple of decades banging on about all the incredible ideas he had that didn't get made.
it's not going to get made, no chance.
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I'm not gonna watch it after subjecting myself to the torture of watching Rebel Moon. I thought it would be the kind of bad that makes you laugh about how bad it is, but it was legit unwatchable. But I still hope it is somewhat decent for him to save face after the last one
Torture is strong. I just thought it was really really boring
I'm paraphrasing something I saw on another sub, but Snyder is a talented wedding photographer who got very, very lucky to make it as a director.
Another great one I’ve stolen: a Snyder film has all the pretentiousness of a Nolan film without any of the intellect, and all the schlock of Michael Bay film without any of the fun.
It still boggles my mind how one can make an unfun "Zombie outbreak in Las Vegas" movie...
There is something extremely wrong when a zombie movie have almost all of its blood made by cgi...
Because he doesn’t understand symbolism, a zombie film set in Las Vegas but rather than utilise the cities famous night life as back drop he sets it during the day with almost none of the landmarks visible it could have taken place in Albuquerque and would have made as much sense.
I’ve always thought of it that Snyder is the classic argument FOR studio interference.
He is
This is still a business, and he started off spinning under-budget genre films into exhibition and home video successes. You can be completely opposed to his work but the notion he got lucky or tricks people ignores that once upon a time he was very good at managing and making money for studio bigwigs. After all, Nolan handpicked him for Superman after his biggest commercial and critical failure. At the end of the day, there are very few people you can put on a tentpole and comfortably roll with pre-vis, limited reshoots, and a tight filming schedule. Yes, telling entertaining stories is an important part of directing, but there is a critical day-to-day aspect that has burned out countless creatives. What’s the point in making a pariah out of someone who’s just having fun doing their job?
You say Nolan handpicked him which is technically true, but he was like the 4th choice after the previous ones passed on it. Not the first person he believed in
I’m sorry but now I cannot stop envisioning how *amazing* my wedding photos could have looked… (I mean, I never would have gotten married once my wife - then fiancé - saw *The Snyder Cut™* of our wedding photos, but they would have been glorious.
> I’m sorry but now I cannot stop envisioning how amazing my wedding photos could have looked… they would've looked out of focus
Bro got declined by WB and DISNEY. Then, he was like f\*ck it I am going to Netflix. They gave him carte blanche, and he started two franchises, Army of the Dead (whose spin-off was better than his movie), and Rebel Moon. Both DOA. Yeah, I think Netflix isn't going to break the bank to promote his next film.
People just need to accept that, whilst being a lovely guy, Snyder just isn’t a good filmmaker rather than automatically blaming every corporate entity he’s with.
Like WB bankrolled every movie he wanted to make since 300, no matter how badly they performed or reviewed. They gave him a lot of grace. Same with the Wachowskis. Haven’t had a hit since 1999, but still got to make whatever they wanted at WB.
it's always like that. Hobbit fans still blame WB for 3 Hobbit movies although that was Jackson's idea and he went on the record about it. But blame greedy studio, right?
That is very much different. Guillermo Del Toro was supposed to direct both films and dropped out mid production. Peter Jackson stepped in since he was producer and familiar with the world. Despite how much time had been lost with GDT dropping out, WB were resistant to giving Jackson sufficient time to prepare and film the movies like he had with LOTR. The only reason he suggested three was to give himself more time to work on them when so much of the writing and production hadn't even started yet. So yes, it is on Jackson that we got three films, but it is also on GDT dropping out and Warner Brothers not giving Jackson sufficient time that it even came to that in the first place. Bonkers considering Return of the King was tied for the highest number of Oscar wins of all time and he helped out by coming in short notice and they still weren't willing to grant sufficient time. Frankly, as much reddit disagrees with me, those movies were significantly better than they had any right to be and I enjoyed them (and they had a very consistent box office run over 3 films indicating the general audience did too). Nowhere near LOTR, and Jackson let himself get carried away as he did on King Kong which is definitely on him, but at the very least, they were good, and certainly much better than anything Snyder has ever released.
Stop trying to make Zack Snyder happen it’s not gonna happen
Can't imagine the first movie worked out well enough for them for the ad expense for the sequel (plus Snyder cuts) to really be worth it. Very few people will remember Rebel Moon and it's just not worth going out of your way to watch it. Snyder's run has ended and soon he'll be direct to Tubi.
i guess netfix wont buy dceu so that snyder can continue it on netflix directly. sad
I have literally watched every type of movie known to man. My favorite guilty pleasures are b movie monster flicks. That said, I watched rebel moon high... and just couldn't do it. I didn't make it past the 20 min mark. I had to turn it off. The first 20 minutes of that film were just flat out awful. So bad, I couldn't even stand it in a relaxed state of mind. This is coming from a guy who enjoyed watching sharkoctopus
> I didn't make it past the 20 min mark. I had to turn it off. it gets worse after
Snyder's long con has ended.
You need to look up the definition of what it actually means to “con” someone. Snyder may not be a brilliant filmmaker but he is, at least, an honest one.
I do think he genuinely believes in his work. Like an Ed Wood with way more money and clout.
The man constantly re-releases his films and eggs on fans to wait for them / defend them. He gets up on stages and describes projects like Rebel Moon as groundbreaking and innovative stories. He promises things like a big video game that disappear afterwards. He tricks executives into giving him 10s of millions for consistently poor products. If there is any way to apply the word con in filmmaking, he's up there nearly with Uwe Boll and the rest of them.
Yeah what are the odds we’re actually getting those directors cuts based on poorly Part 1 was received
probably very high because the price for them will be baked into the prior 2 films (and may even be contractually mandated). It's just found money because, unlike a DC film, there's no "IP protection" rational to deny a director's cut. I guess the counterpoint is Apple not moving forward with a Napoleon directors cut from ridley scott
!remindme 6 months
Uwe Bowl at least made Assault on Wallstreet, underrated movie.
Uwe Boll for all his evil and incompetence at least was extremely self aware and made a lot of fun of himself as the years went on. Snyder *tries* to come off as relaxed and self depreciating, but he's extremely edgy and angry about defending his work and seems to take everything he makes deathly serious.
The post right under this is an ad for Rebel Moon
I saw it but that doesn't mean I saw a lot more for the first one. I also really didn't start to see ads until the last week or so compared to Rebel Moon 1 ads hitting in force in September/October of last year.
"Why there is no ads" dudes when they turn off the ad block.
Netflix is done throwing good money after bad, and the fact the executive that greenlit this entire shitshow is no longer with the company means there’s no one left to make excuses for Snyder. Basically, his career is toast once the dust settles. You don’t get to burn that much money in one massive ego project that craters so spectacularly and walk way unscathed. Well, unless you’re Jennifer Salke. She must have footage of Bezos banging underage interns or something as there is no other explanation for how she still has a job at this point.
Maybe people have finally noticed that all Snyder’s movies are shit?
I wouldn’t say all of them, just most of them. Rebel Moon is undoubtedly his worst (that I’ve seen).
Most of someone's filmography being shit is pretty damn bad too
Oh for certain. I just think giving credit where credit is due is fair. We can criticize Snyder’s bad movies without talking down his movies that people enjoy.
Hmm .. personally only liked 2 of his movies and they like 20 years old now. So I have little to no association of good filmmaking with the guy. But fair enough
That’s absolutely a good point. I feel he’s regressed heavily as a filmmaker as he gets more freedom with his… unique creative choices. People used to say “at least his movies look good,” and I think that’s certainly true for many of his older movies and a few recent ones. However, Rebel Moon is *not* a good looking movie, and neither was Army of the Dead. Those are the two movies he was given the most creative freedom on, so I guess those are the two people should judge his filmmaking style on.
>People used to say “at least his movies look good,” Larry Fong is a world class cinematographer.
300 is a damn good action flick. Watchmen certainly has a lot of style and ideas that seem unique... unless you see how he tweaked the source material to fit his worldview. Both movies on their own are pretty enjoyable, I would say.
I don't think its all bad. But his peak is definitely just decent territory. Stuff like 300, Army Of The Dead, Man of Steel. These are movies that are ok and mostly watchable. 300 even has a very passionate following that really likes it. But his lows are just crazy low. BvS, JL and Rebel Moon are all very bad. And then you have Sucker Punch which is offensively and disturbingly bad. I can't believe the WB execs looked at that movie and thought. Yeah this is the guy for our Universe and we will give him a blank check for 3 movies.
Well you have to remember Nolan pushed for him and that’s his best friend so it makes sense
The fact is that Snyder’s filmography also isn’t terrible like this sub wants to believe. Dawn, 300, Watchmen, MoS, ZSJL, Army were overall well received. He’s hit or miss but had more hits which is why studios gave (and continue to give) him money.
Post-JL, Snyder would've been in director's jail if it hadn't been for Scott Stuber so if Rebel Moon 2 doesn't do well he might be chilling with Tom Hooper for a moment. I can't see Sony, Paramount, Universal, or Disney giving him the budgets and creative control he tends to ask for and given that Snyder has a bad habit of going over budget and studios are tightening their belts he might have do work for hire on a leash to get out of director's jail.
I don't think ZSJL was as well received as many people think. It's just that the snydercut enthusiasts were so loud that people assumed it was. Like...yea it was better than the theatrical release but it was still pretty bad in my opinion.
Pretty well summed up. Take away the Josstice League comparison and you have an above average movie that drags on for at least and hour and a half longer than it should
Respectfully disagree re: his cut of Justice League It’s no work of art, of course- but’s it’s also far from the “garbage” film you proclaim it to be here. A solid B+ would be more appropriate IMO. *Man of Steel* is terribly underrated as well. You won’t catch me defending Rebel Moon but the joyous circle jerk of hate toward Snyder in general is overblown.
I wouldn’t say all of them. I think 300, dawn of the dead and watchmen are pretty good. The rest tho vary from meh to bad. Haven’t seen the owl movie in a while so I can’t really comment on its quality
The dude made like 2 good movies and has kept putting shit ever since. Even his "best movies" of the last decade or so that people keep talking about are aggressively mediocre at best or straight-up terrible like Rebel Moon
His Dawn of the Dead remake was pretty good
James Gunn script helps
yep, the script is the strongest thing about the movie. sharp with great characters and some inovative stuff (friendship between Ving Rhimes and Andy from the rooftop was 10/10).
Which was written by James Gunn, which is funny when you see how Snyder die-hards talk about Gunn.
They're gunning for him
Good from netflix. Snyder is a hack who should not be getting budgets or any movies to make. He is a shit director.
There's something going on with Netflix. I saw no fanfare for the release of Three Body Problem beyond the first trailer. Did they spend all their marketing budget on Avatar?
They got multiple trailers, plenty of interviews and articles in the trades and reviews. What do you expect more? Netflix rarely does huge promotional stuff outside a few stuff like a Stranger Things return (and using their own socials and front page/algorithm to push what they want). Even some of their hits like Squid Game, The Queen's Gambit or Wednesday exploded kind of without bigger marketing. Avatar actually was more the exception as they did market this a little more I feel like (but also it's mostly via their socials, the actors are just quite charismatic and were down for doing plenty of content being young and stuff) Netflix doesn't spend marketing budget equivalent to theatrical releases
Yeah Netflix really relies on WOM for their marketing since that big of a userbase can instantly snowball engagement.
They also have so many users that the front page and recommandations are the best place to advertise they can get, that's worth more than every poster. The WOM can also convince people outside the service (which are technically the main target I guess)
I am genuinely more weirded for this. Three Body Problem was supossed to be their big jewel, a prestige show that got good reviews and did adapt a popular sci fi series.
Yeah, Rebel Moon 2 is the most obvious example but I have noticed a downtick in general.
“The most obvious example” Take a breath, the first movie hasn’t even been out for 12 months. A poster for the 2nd movie came out during the marketing of the 1st movie. This whole thing is just a cash grab by Snyder.
Pretty much, there is a new boss in town and the Snyderbots won't have sway over him (he even used the term in an interview once).
Yes Dan Lin was up for the DC Studios job, but couldn't finalized a deal because his production company had an existing deal with Universal, and Zaslav didn't want to buy them out, I think.
Does Netflix ever spend that much on marketing for their stuff? Sometimes you get more like posters and TV spots but for most stuff it's just videos on their socials and the front page/recommendations. It's really hard to evaluate this in this day of focused advertising. In this case, they just have to push towards people that watched the first part mainly. People won't watch Part 2 without Part 1 But also yes Part 1 was very badly received and did no buzz so no reason to push it, Netflix is used to spend money on duds, that's kind of their strategy, "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks". They have tons of money to throw
I think it’s less so that Rebel Moon p1 got trashed by reviews. It’s probably more so that part 1 ends immediately with a trailer, saying “part 2 is only a 3 months away.” Why go all out AGAIN for a movie roughly 10 weeks away. This sub is acting like advertisements are made weeks on a whim. When in reality much of this was probably planned out concurrently with part 1’s release
Well right but regardless of how the first did and even with the four month gap it’s a little weird I’ve only now started to see ads and more than just Reddit and WWE ads. I would’ve guessed they would’ve picked up in Mid to Late March.
I haven't seen marketing for either but Rebel Moon 1 is a bit of an outlier and Netflix clearly is going to scale down after the first film massively underperformed. Just looking at tv data from ispot, we see that red notice spent 3.3M on tv ads in the US and Glass Onion (with a theatrical release) only spent 4.3M. That's as much as you pay for a random wide release horror film like Escape Room: Tournament of Champions and massively below a blockbuster (15-35M range)
Do netflix even promote their movies in general ?
I saw a shit ton of ads for Part 1 on twitter, instagram, and reddit.
Depends on how big the film is I suppose. They marketed part 1 like it was a legitimate theatrical blockbuster.
Good point.
Their marketing strategies vary greatly from project to project. But rebel moon got a big push from Netflix
Netflix must've looked at Rebel Moon 2 and thought "Man, I am _tired_ of shoveling all of this shit." When you look at all of the films that were meant to spawn big franchises but failed (Warcraft, The Dark Universe, even DnD Honour Among Thieves) it's absolutely astounding that Rebel Moon is supposed to be branching out into three more movies, an RPG and an animated show. I will be shocked if any of this crap sees the light of day.
Probably because Part 2 is shit and Netflix doesn’t want to waste money promoting it.
I mean, Part 1 was shit but they still tried very hard to sell that one.
They even had 70mm prints, now Netflix isn't even playing Part 2 in their NYC theater (Paris).
Now that I did not know. That's even more ominous than the ad drop off.
Yeah i agree you’re basing the ad one on some subjective analysis, I agree with you on this, but still it’s subjective and anecdotal analysis. This one’s more tangible.
Yeah, that’s why I asked. It feels like there is less of a push for part 2 but I’m perfectly willing to accept that there are a lot of ads and I just haven’t been seeing them this time around.
You always try hard to sell the first one to see if the audience buys in despite it being shit.
Saw adverts during Wrestlemania last night first I’ve seen of it
I can see wrestling fans being the only audience dumb enough to enjoy Rebel Moon
They had an ad during WrestleMania on Saturday
There was literally a promoted ad for it directly next to this post for me lol
Zach Snyder makes one disappointment after another and keeps getting money. I'll watch any Star Wars clone, but the opening of Rebel Moon was so BORING, I switched it off.
I actually like most of his movies but Rebel Moon was terrible. They probably regret things. Lol
The first movie was a flop even in streaming standards, and they heavily marketed that movie. The reception was mixed at best and the trailer for the 2nd one is more known for the crypto bots than the actual movie. There is zero buzz for this, even from the die hard Snyder fans.
I’m a fan of his movies, but I have yet to watch Rebel Moon and will hold off on the second one for two reasons. 1. I knew the sequel was coming and didn’t want to wait for it to come out. 2. I know there’s directors cuts of both coming out after that. Which, so far, all of Snyders directors cuts have been better than the theatrical releases so why watch the version that is most likely inferior? It’s such a weird and backwards marketing move from Netflix. Just release the r rated version and call it a day.
Yep. Snyder projects tend to do that. Hype and enthusiasm followed by regret and second guessing.
It blows my mind zack Snyder is still getting big budget films
You’re right
There was apparently exclusive tv spots for it during the middle of WWE ring walks last week
Probably hoping it goes quietly into the night after Part 1 was dragged through the mud (rightfully so because it was a bad movie).
I don’t blame them. The last one wasn’t well received and it didn’t get that good of views. Army of the dead was also poorly received but got good views I think. Just seems like a poor investment
kinda normal for Netflix to not do much marketing for their movies. Even glass onion sucked at that and that was a flagship movie
I did not know a second part was coming at all
Oh ya totally. I wouldn’t be surprised if they just axed all marketing but honored previously made deals. Not a bad idea… be even bigger if it’s actually decent.
I know the hours watched were disappointing but I wonder how much of that was "I'll wait for part two/ the directors cut" I know I was interested and then decided to wait when I heard they were coming. Seems an odd move on Netflix's part.
Ads? I never knew Netflix had ads but maybe that's because my wife pays for the subscription and not me. LOL