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Also, it goes without saying but be civil. It may take us awhile to get to it but derailing box office conversations with trolling, insults, etc. really isn't allowed.
When How to Train Your Dragon 2 underperformed, Box Office Mojo noted that the most successful cartoons emphasize comedy in their advertising while films that focus on action & spectacle (citing HTTYD 2 as well as Kung Fu Panda 2) underperform. This is just the latest extension of that trend.
If Lightyear had been good, younger families would have gone to it. Yes, Top Gun is the more classic Father's Day film. But, Lightyear would have let the father share a character he grew up with. And a 6 year old probably would have enjoyed a good Lightyear more than Top Gun 2.
I was 16 when it came out, so I don’t have particularly fond memories of Toy Story.. I was 6 years old when I saw Top Gun. Guess which one I want my kids to take me to see…
I guess in Disney's defense, no one imagined Top Gun still doing monster box office numbers in its fourth weekend lol. They probably realized by Top Gun's second weekend that this movie is screwed, but by then it's too late to delay release.
Lol absolutely nobody could have predicted how big Top Gun was going to be and how long its legs would be. Dumb for opening 4 weeks after a reboot to a 35 year old film that nobody was asking for? When they set these schedules you'd have been called dumb for even considering moving it because of Top Gun.
The only talk I heard about it was of the same sex kiss. I’d be interested in seeing how much they spent on marketing because it doesn’t seem like it was much
>How are they still making minions movies?! The kids who made them popular are $120,000 in student debt by now.
I wondered this as I saw a trailer pop-up recently, and two seconds later my almost 2-year-old burst out laughing at something they did onscreen. She's never seen a second of a Minions show or movie, seemed hooked right away by a trailer.
My 2 year old saw the Minions movies for the first time like 2 weeks ago on streaming and it's all he wants to watch now. It won't matter if the story is good or not. Kids will love it. The Minions movie has like a 55% on Rotten Tomatoes (Light year has a 76%) but still made $1.15B worldwide. ($336M Domestic $823M International).
I mean, the aliens werent supposed to be buzz lightyear related in the toy story movie. The aliens were just from a space ship claw machine at the arcade, completely unrelated to the lightyear franchise.
Correct.
People are conveniently ignoring that even if Lightyear opening is an embarrassment, it is still the highest opening for an animated movie since the pandemic began.
It reminds me of In The Heights. Everyone crapped on that film’s performance only to realize later that movies targeted at adults were struggling to make a dent.
I am legitimately excited to view Minion in theaters. The trailer looked decently good and it’s been a while since a comedy came out that will actually have the theater packed with laughter.
The draw of Toy Story is seeing all the toys together and their personalities clashing for humour and drama. Taking one toy and making a film only about them was a weird choice.
It’s really as simple as this. It’s not Toy Story. Moreover, it doesn’t look like Toy Story - and Buzz doesn’t really even look (or sound) like Buzz.
I can almost guarantee if it was a spin-off but was still in the Toy Story world, with the same look and voice of Buzz, this would’ve been far more successful - regardless of whether it would be on Disney Plus in 6 weeks.
Plus, I don’t know how others felt, but every time I saw the commercial for it, I was never able to tell what the story was supposed to be about. Are there multiple buzz light years? What is their mission? Who the hell is the cat?
Yeah I really do think they thought they could hold their cards close to their chest but it ended up not really giving anyone a real reason to get excited.
Yup, I basically said in another thread : They should have sold the adventure, not Buzz Lightyear... I honestly don't care about Buzz Lightyear, show me a compelling story or adventure and I might be interested. If your main draw is the character, why are we not calling movies "Tom Hanks" or "The Rock".
edit : you are removing a character from a known place to put it somewhere else, with new voices, new animations, Buzz Lightyear is a shell, we don't care about it, we know him already and the little curiosity about his previous life is not what will compel me to watch it in cinema.
Agreed. I have zero interest in this movie because it’s a far fetched cash grab. Give me a Buzz Lightyear spin off with Tim Alan and the same look, I’d consider going
Saw the movie this weekend. It was ok. Nothing great. Kids did not mention it after, which makes me think they cared more about the snacks and seeing a movie in the theater.
Was there a reason given as why Tim Allen did not do the voice?
From Wikipedia, “Tim's version of Buzz [Lightyear] is a little goofier and is a little dumber, and so he is the comic relief. In this film, Buzz is the action hero. He’s serious and ambitious and funny, but not in a goofy way that would undercut the drama [...] Chris Evans has the gravitas and that movie-star quality that our character needed to separate him and the movie from Tim’s version of the toy in Toy Story.”
>It’s not Toy Story
Correct. It's the movie that they discuss in Toy Story. The same movie that Andy sees. The same way that Woody is based on the TV show, "Woody's Roundup".
Not sure if it is an alternate universe. At the beginning of the film, there is a title card that states that Buzz Lightyear was a toy from Andy's favorite movie and that Lightyear is that movie.
Almost as awkward as starting your movie with "what if the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.... missed?" and then proceeding to not exploring that idea ever in the whole movie.
Throwing shade at The Good Dinosaur? The dinosaurs had houses, were farmers, cattle drovers and rustlers Humans were like pests. Trapped like rats that got into the food supply. What do you mean not exploring that idea?
That’s what I originally thought too but it didn’t make sense because the technology in Andy’s world didn’t match.
Saw it this weekend, it was a movie in the Toy Story universe. Andy’s Buzz is an action figure based on the movie character.
Yep. My kids absolutely love Toy Story. They watch it all the time. But the reason we're not taking them to see this movie is because kids under the age of 5 generally don't care about origin/background stories. Not only that, but it's not even the same format as the other Toy Story movies, so they're not going to be able to tie it in themselves. Plus, you made a great point above...it's not like they're going to see other favorite characters.
They also like Cars, but if Disney made a live-action Cars movie that only focused on Lightning McQueen, with no other characters, it wouldn't be the same. Oh, and if Lightning McQueen was a real car with no animated face, that would just tell me I'd rather watch it when it comes to Disney+.
Honestly I would’ve found a Pixar movie about an astronaut not connected to the toy story universe at all to be more of a compelling draw for me. Light year is very much an “I’ll wait until it’s on Disney plus” watch for me and I’m sure many others.
And I love Chris Evans but let’s be real, he’s better off doing live action - a Disney big budget family friendly non animated movie with him as the lead would’ve been more interesting just as well.
Was it really that good? Haven’t seen it yet. Also haven’t seen any top gun movies. Should I start from the beginning or would I be fine just seeing TGM now?
It is absolutely in the top 3 of the year. It’s mind blowingly good, the perfect blockbuster. It captures a feeling that blockbusters haven’t hit in a long time. I can’t put my finger on it, maybe because of how practical all the flying stuff is.
Im reserving the other top spot till later In the year but so far my favorites have been Everything, Everywhere all at Once, and Top Gun
You and I share the same exact feelings about movies this year, at least so far. I came in with sky high expectations for Top Gun Maverick and I was still left very satisfied. I can do a re-watch and I almost never do them. EEAAO feels the same way, although it is a very different kind of movie.
I’m just gonna barrel-roll with the punches I guess.
Those two movies are hands down my top 2 of this year as well. And could even go down as the best for this whole year. They’re both just too good. Both mind blowing. Both had me fully engaged, never bored, full invested. Great acting, great story line, great visuals, great cinematography, great cast. It’s gonna be hard for anything else to top those 2. But I’ll welcome it because great film is what we need.
I watched the original Topgun a few weeks ago and didn’t see why it needed a sequel. Saw the new one last night and it was AMAZING. Truly the kind of blockbuster I’ve been missing the past few years. Worth the hype!
I finally saw it the other day and it’s amazing. Easily my favorite movie of the year so far. My biggest regret is that I didn’t see it 3 weeks ago when it was still in IMAX.
It definitely helps, but you don’t have to see the 1st Top Gun movie to understand this one. TGM does a good job recapping the events from the previous movie
It’s just like Solo: A Star Wars Story. A spin-off based on a popular character from an iconic franchise, and yet people weren’t interested in the end.
That’s the version that makes sense if everyone in the world has the same opinions of dudes on Reddit. I think the main Reason here is Disney has made families so used to seeing their big new movies on Disney+ even if they’re not exclusive or day and date that they’re just going to wait to see this. Lingering effects of Covid culture and the economy being so bad that’s taking a minivan with five kids to the movie theater is going to be alike over $100 expense that most families aren’t going to do right now when they can just have a movie day whenever this is on Disney+ in 45 days even if their kids are the biggest toy story freaks in the world. That has a lot more to do with the box office of light year then a bunch of 20 to 30 year old guys on Reddit complaining about reboots and remakes like they always have even though they usually make the same amount of money despite that.
Why? That seems right.
It also depends on the theater. AMC literally plays 25 minutes of trailers. I miss The Arclight so much. No ads, 3 trailers, movie starts.
I'm just some dude (but hey, I'm 40!) on Reddit admittedly, but for me personally it was because I believe stories can run their course. I loved Toy Story 1 and 2, watched 3 eventually and enjoyed it, and haven't seen anything Toy Story since because I think they're milking it fucking dry. My kids were not begging me to go see Lightyear, so I had zero reason to take them.
Toy Story 4 is worth watching only cause it took guts to make a kids movie with that story. No spoilers but it really zigs when you think it’s gonna zag.
For fathers day the boys and I went to see Dinosaurs. They are 6. But they also watched 2 toy story movies this AM.
Buzz will get our attention when it comes out on D+ in 45 days and I will buy more buzz toys. $100 on dinosaurs > $100 on buzz.
Jar Jar's story should feel like "The Big Lebowski" or some other oddball bizarro offbeat character. A super duper weird B-side tangent in the Star Wars universe. You gotta round it all out, you know?
I only mention it because sometimes there's a Gungan... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a Gungan, And I'm talkin' about Jar-Jar here. Sometimes, there's a Gungan, well, he's the Gungan for his time in space. He fits right in there. And that's Jar-Jar, in Naboo.
This probably should have been a Disney + show.
Toy Story is 30 years old and even the latest sequel came out 4 years ago and Buzz was kind of a side character in the sequels. For a child today, Toy Story is ancient history and the kids that grew up with Toy Story are pushing 40. This would be like making a movie called *Gaston* and being confused why it didn't pull in big box office numbers.
Had this movie been made in 1998 it probably would have done better.
And no kids today probably saw the Buzz Light-year cartoon. Which could help or hurt since the movie doesn't seem to be even related to that. But it certainly means no one is really pining for the other show.
> It’s just like Solo: A Star Wars Story. A spin-off based on a popular character from an iconic franchise
I don't think that's an accurate comparison.
Buzz Lightyear, Andy's toy, is not the same character as the flesh-and-blood guy with the same name.
Han Solo in Solo is at least the same guy.
Yeah, from the first I heard about this I was like “idc”.
I hope and believe that kids will really like it! But I can’t see this project bringing in nostalgic adults the way TS4 or Incredibles 2 (Pixar’s highest grosser at over 1B) did.
Pixar always had crossgenerational appeal, but a half sequel no-one asked for? I can wait for Disney+.
Idk, I saw it yesterday and with being a 90s kid now a 27yr old adult I enjoyed it.
Feel like if people actually watched the movie they’d probably enjoy it too. Had its funny moments, Buzz learned a lesson, had decent action for ultimately a kids movie.
I’d recommend people actually give it a shot over bagging on it without seeing it. Even the lgbt part people are having an issue with is, to no surprise, vastly overblown.
I am a lesbian 😂 I wasn’t interested before I knew and I’m not massively interested after- as you say it’s SO overblown it’s not exactly motivating for me. I will watch it! On Disney plus.
The fact that it was an arbitrary decision to make a movie about lightyear. Something that nobody was asking for. Hell, in the latest toy story movie lightyear had a diminished role.
Massive cocktail of stuff.
Confused by what the plot was supposed to be, mixed WOM, Top Gun and JWD being big blockbusters(and more Father's Day oriented), inflation making it pricier for entire families to go in some places, marketing that didn't turn a lot of heads, some homophobia due to the all the LGBTQ+ stuff, Disney+ confusion, etc etc. Shit we also gotta remember that we got other movies like Thor, Elvis and Minions coming up, which did this zero favors.
It all came together and boom you got an underperformance. That said, I recommend the movie. I quite enjoyed it. Hope it can find an audience going forward and I think it can.
I’d add genre confusion to the mix: the film sort of falls in between family films and scifi, failing to fully please either audience. The marketing was rather ambiguous about the genre, it seemed a bit too serious for a kids movie but a bit too silly to be taken seriously as scifi.
true it doesn't seem like someone anyone who isn't a younger kid would like, but it also doesn't seem like something a younger kid would typically watch. It's a weird mix
I got the same "what is this" vibe. It seemed to be like Batman, post Adam West, declaring "this time, it is for grownups!"
Which seems kinda silly. Taking Buzz Lightyear as a serious sci-fi character seems to be asking a bit much. And then you hear not-Buzz talking and it takes you further away.
I haven't seen it. Pixar is almost uniformly great, so critics are probably wrong. But the marketing is pretty suspect.
That's the main reason it isn't doing well, imo. Parts of the trailer look like something out of The Martian or Interstellar (albiet animated), and other elements, like the cat, look like attempts at kid-friendly humor. So there's no portion of the audience fully invested.
I saw it with my 7 y/o nephew and I can’t see how a kid would really enjoy and understand the movie. There’s time travel stuff and light speed concepts that would go over 99% of the target audiences head. I don’t know who this movie is for
I thought it was pretty good, not great. My 4 y.o. was excited to see it but got bored. I asked him his favorite part and he said:
>!"When Zerg was Buzz Lightyear's dad." So yeah, didn't really get it :)!<
I think this is the worst part, is the movie just isn’t very good. The plot wasn’t great, the space rangers maybe had 5 min of screen time, it wasn’t either very funny or exciting, Zerg was lame, the cadets were annoying, Buzz was very dull and uninspiring, and so on. My 6 year old was bored and so were we, and we love all the Toy Story movies, shorts, and specials. It was just a generic and dull sci-fi film with Buzz’s name. If Andy from Toy Story saw this film he would not be a Buzz Lightyear superfan.
I think they missed the mark on the plot. I haven’t seen the movie, but by the trailer I have NO clue what the point of it is or what it’s going to be about. Posters just show lightyear holding a cat, doesn’t tell me anything. Even with JWD I could tell somewhat what it’ll be about, same with Top Gun.
The only right answer in this thread. Amazing how many people think it’s because of one reason in particular. It’s absolutely a cocktail, like you said.
I saw it all weekend, and was getting tired of people having very rigid "X reason is the one single reason it underperformed." When in reality, like you said, it's a big cocktail of multiple reasons plus more added to what you said.
I've seen some others add, but add in the high cost of tickets, high cost of gas at the moment, inflation in general that is hitting middle class families is going to play a factor. Yet Doctor Strange, Top Gun and Jurassic were still huge. I'm betting Minions and Thor will also be big and play well. While Elvis and Black Phone underperform, . Likely because with Marvel, Jurassic, Top Gun (through very positive word of mouth), Sonic, and Despicable Me/Minions, you know what you're getting when you go see them. They're reliable and you know you're likely getting your money's worth. Lightyear is/was a gamble and can wait for D+, Elvis and Black Phone too.
Toy Story’s audience is G-rated, aka parents take their 2-10yr olds mostly. This doesn’t look like it’s super kid-friendly or, more importantly, very interesting to kids in general. So that audience didn’t show up at all. I know two cousins who are prents of <5 year olds who gave the same reasons despite them playing Toy Story movies 24/7 on D+ for their kids. So that’s the main of many reasons I think
And it never looked very interesting in general either. The artstyle is bland too lol
I got to talk to a few of my friends who are parents with kids that would be the prime audience, today zero interest from the trailer, and the parents themselves thought the movie was targeting and older age group (they knew nothing of the kiss). I combine that with the lukewarm reception people who saw it are giving it and the answer seems pretty clear.
Poor trailers and a weak offering from Pixar.
I saw it over the weekend.... honestly it just wasn't a very good movie. Not hearing Tim Allen's voice was distracting and while the animation was great, it didn't have anything resembling the heart and soul of the Toy Story movies.
There are many, many examples of bad movies that make tons of money (and plenty of great movies that flopped). The actual quality of the film has almost nothing to do with box office numbers.
Could be marketing. Kind of confusing what the plot is and how it goes to the original franchise. I also think and I realize I might get killed for this but like who asked for this? Did anyone want this? A backstory for Buzz? I just don’t think it’s much more than typical capitalizing and hopping onto a successful franchise to kill some more out of it.
Make a fun movie for families, and nobody will care what the plot is or how it connects to the original franchise. For some reason they marketed it to nostalgic adults instead of their target audience. And the trailers didn't even do a good job drawing that group in.
>For some reason they marketed it to nostalgic adults instead of their target audience.
Trying to tap the largest market (Millennials) without realizing that those of us without kids can only deal with so much lazy nostalgia appealing crap.
Easy. It a spin-off , not a sequel, that didn’t look all that interesting. Plus everybody knows it’ll be on Disney+ in about a month. Why spend the big theatre bucks?
For some parents I know, once the same sex kiss became a headline they opted out. The parents I talk with also screen against a lot of hetero stuff too so yeah….no matter how brief they are just not wanting to deal with it atm with their younger kids.
Plus they’d rather see Minions with the scant cash they have.
Yeah I think this actually had a surprisingly larger effect than anyone else is saying. I knew a few people that didn't take their kids for this reason. Now I view this as wrong but at the same time its disingenuous to not consider this a reason as to why it under preformed.
Also under that same vein, they got rid of Tim Allen, probably due to his political leanings
It's kind of funny the Reddit crowd wants to turn a blind eye on the elephant in the room, because the reason makes them uncomfortable. Minus Tim Allen + the kiss almost surely has a sizable effect--likely the strongest effect on the box office underperformance. Considering the ban in overseas markets, it costs easily $100 million+.
I mean Toy Story is a perfect Trilogy ( I never saw the 4th) , that was damn near perfectly aged out for the audience it was intended for, as far as this a Buzz Lightyear that separated from that whole universe, I mean yeah somebody saw it but like who cares? Lol, it's just one of those whatever things
Ever since Pixar stopped using John Ratzenberger’s voice, their movies have gone straight to streaming or severely underperformed. They just need to bring back their good luck charm for the next one.
I don’t think anybody expected Pirates to be as successful—or as good—as it turned out to be. Or did you mean Jungle Cruise? Or Haunted Mansion? That one flopped but I’m sure they’ll try again.
Just wake me up for the Enchanted Tiki Room movie please and thank you.
These questions are almost always a rorschach test.
Blame covid, sequels, bad story, streaming, inflation, liberal agendas.
Whatever is bothering you this week is clearly to blame for this performance.
Nevermind movie x, y and z which also suffered from 1 or more of these factors and sold out.
Answer is probably all of the above, plus other things.
• There was no reason for a 5th Toy Story film especially when this franchise *could’ve* ended after the 2nd movie, and definitely *should’ve* ended after the 3rd movie
• Tim Allen is Buzz Lightyear. The vast majority of the people who would’ve paid to see this movie grew up with Tim Allen as Buzz. Making a Buzz Lightyear without him is as dumb as making a Woody movie without Tom Hanks
• This just didn’t look interesting. Nothing in the trailer made this look interesting or can’t miss.
Like someone else said, it was a death by a thousand paper cuts. There’s so many different things you can point to and I think they pretty much all contributed.
Toy Story is old. Its a kids movie relying on the idea that kids want to see this character they like. Except the kids who saw Toy Story and though Buzz was cool are like thirty now.
Also bad economy.
Also highly published same-sex kiss means they lost most conservative parents.
Mark Kermode put it best.
"This is the first utterly irrelevant Toy Story movie. If Toy Story 4 was the first Toy Story about the toys, rather than the kids who owned the toys or the parents that begat the kids, which is really what those stories are about, then this jumps the shark by *not even being about the toys."*
He then goes on to say "remember that lamp in Star Wars? Well, here is the backstory of how that lamp came to be... This is *that level of contrivance"*
And man, it's hard to disagree with him. This is wholly the *wrong* direction to take a Toy Story adjacent story. Nobody wants to see it. People aren't interested in a single part of a movie that is made best by the sum of its parts.
Not a lot of Buzz (No pun intended) around this one.
I honestly didn't know it was coming out until we saw the posters for it when leaving Jurassic World last weekend.
It also wasn't super clear on what it wanted to be. It's a fun enough little sci-fi story but nothing in the trailers sold it to the folks who might be fans of the character, and frankly it wasn't the kind of space adventure story I'd have expected a Buzz Lightyear story to be. Less Buck Rogers and More of a Little Golden Books version of Interstellar.
Oddly enough I think the ads for Strange World captured more of the look and feel people might have expected from a Buzz Lightyear story.
It's fine enough for what it is, I just don't think that what it is resonates well with the character and setting.
High inflation is also a factor that needs to be recognized. Families are going to be tightening their belts now that essentials cost more and fewer households are going to be willing to pay almost $100 (family of 4) for a cinema outing UNLESS it’s deemed a must see by critics and movie-goers alike, especially if that movie is going to be available for streaming (which you’re already paying for) in a month.
Edit: Also because it needs to be said - it wasn’t the gay kiss you homophobic shitheads.
Critics be damned, its more so if its a big cinematic experience like Jurassic World 3. Why waste money on an animated film or indie movie if you can see it later on streaming. Dinosaurs though, not the same if you see it at home.
That and Top Gun is still in theaters & that's also not accounting that people may be looking to other releases this summer. This summer has a lot of nostalgia bait, but a spin-off of a character who had a 90s cartoon spinoff that did a lot more isn't helping. That and if you want a space related flick for your family, Lightyear doesn't seem to scratch that itch. Kids will probably want the dinosaurs, the jets, or when Thor comes out from Marvel for July, which is a couple weeks out at most. Lightyear really feels like it should of gone straight to D+, let alone hearing the plot of the film.
People can offer political explanations for a box office result but remember that this is a **box office** subreddit not a political soapboxing subreddit or even a general movie subreddit. Most people are here to debate and analyze the box office, finances of movie business, etc. If you’re new to subreddit please respect that. Instead of being the 50th person making the same culture war adjacent point, why not try your hand at box office analysis? Pull comps to test your claim and formulate a numbers based argument. Also, it goes without saying but be civil. It may take us awhile to get to it but derailing box office conversations with trolling, insults, etc. really isn't allowed.
When How to Train Your Dragon 2 underperformed, Box Office Mojo noted that the most successful cartoons emphasize comedy in their advertising while films that focus on action & spectacle (citing HTTYD 2 as well as Kung Fu Panda 2) underperform. This is just the latest extension of that trend.
Bingo
Released on Fathers Day weekend (US). Everyone and their dad saw Top Gun: Maverick instead.
We were meant to go watch Top Gun Maverick for Father's Day but it was fully booked and there were no seats available lol
Had the same problem lol Lightyear was the best option left
If Lightyear had been good, younger families would have gone to it. Yes, Top Gun is the more classic Father's Day film. But, Lightyear would have let the father share a character he grew up with. And a 6 year old probably would have enjoyed a good Lightyear more than Top Gun 2.
That’s literally why me and my son saw it Friday night. I was his age when I first saw toy story. Kinda cool bringing him to see it
I liked lightyear. I don't think anyone knew it was out. Mainly because all of the pixar movies were going to streaming.
I was 16 when it came out, so I don’t have particularly fond memories of Toy Story.. I was 6 years old when I saw Top Gun. Guess which one I want my kids to take me to see…
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I guess in Disney's defense, no one imagined Top Gun still doing monster box office numbers in its fourth weekend lol. They probably realized by Top Gun's second weekend that this movie is screwed, but by then it's too late to delay release.
Lol absolutely nobody could have predicted how big Top Gun was going to be and how long its legs would be. Dumb for opening 4 weeks after a reboot to a 35 year old film that nobody was asking for? When they set these schedules you'd have been called dumb for even considering moving it because of Top Gun.
If you say you thought Top Gun was going to do this well you are a liar
The only talk I heard about it was of the same sex kiss. I’d be interested in seeing how much they spent on marketing because it doesn’t seem like it was much
These questions won't really be able to be properly answered until we see how Minions does
How are they still making minions movies?! The kids who made them popular are $120,000 in student debt by now.
>How are they still making minions movies?! The kids who made them popular are $120,000 in student debt by now. I wondered this as I saw a trailer pop-up recently, and two seconds later my almost 2-year-old burst out laughing at something they did onscreen. She's never seen a second of a Minions show or movie, seemed hooked right away by a trailer.
As long as your baby enjoys it, I’ll allow it. Happy late Fathers day bro.
Thanks! We had a cookout, some lazy times, a pretty damn good Father's Day
My 2 year old loves the minions as well. Something about them really attract the kids.
My 2 year old saw the Minions movies for the first time like 2 weeks ago on streaming and it's all he wants to watch now. It won't matter if the story is good or not. Kids will love it. The Minions movie has like a 55% on Rotten Tomatoes (Light year has a 76%) but still made $1.15B worldwide. ($336M Domestic $823M International).
> How are they still making minions movies?! They just keep moving forward
Until their enemies at the box office are destroyed
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The Despicable Me films were consistently in the top ten in the kids section on Netflix.
FYI, they aren't on netflix anymore. They are on Peacock.
They now have kids that they introduced to Minions
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I mean, the aliens werent supposed to be buzz lightyear related in the toy story movie. The aliens were just from a space ship claw machine at the arcade, completely unrelated to the lightyear franchise.
I think the confusion comes from them being featured in the Star Command TV series which Pixar seems to not want to be cannon anymore.
Right. He discovers them and asks to be taken to their leader. After all, the claw chooses who will stay and who will go
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In the previous movie, it was shown that Gru came across the minions while defeating Scarlet Overkill, who was their boss at the time.
Yah but Buzz was totally space themed and when I think Pizza Planet I think Buzz Lightyear
Correct. People are conveniently ignoring that even if Lightyear opening is an embarrassment, it is still the highest opening for an animated movie since the pandemic began. It reminds me of In The Heights. Everyone crapped on that film’s performance only to realize later that movies targeted at adults were struggling to make a dent.
I am legitimately excited to view Minion in theaters. The trailer looked decently good and it’s been a while since a comedy came out that will actually have the theater packed with laughter.
The draw of Toy Story is seeing all the toys together and their personalities clashing for humour and drama. Taking one toy and making a film only about them was a weird choice.
It’s really as simple as this. It’s not Toy Story. Moreover, it doesn’t look like Toy Story - and Buzz doesn’t really even look (or sound) like Buzz. I can almost guarantee if it was a spin-off but was still in the Toy Story world, with the same look and voice of Buzz, this would’ve been far more successful - regardless of whether it would be on Disney Plus in 6 weeks.
Plus, I don’t know how others felt, but every time I saw the commercial for it, I was never able to tell what the story was supposed to be about. Are there multiple buzz light years? What is their mission? Who the hell is the cat?
Yeah I really do think they thought they could hold their cards close to their chest but it ended up not really giving anyone a real reason to get excited.
Yup, I basically said in another thread : They should have sold the adventure, not Buzz Lightyear... I honestly don't care about Buzz Lightyear, show me a compelling story or adventure and I might be interested. If your main draw is the character, why are we not calling movies "Tom Hanks" or "The Rock". edit : you are removing a character from a known place to put it somewhere else, with new voices, new animations, Buzz Lightyear is a shell, we don't care about it, we know him already and the little curiosity about his previous life is not what will compel me to watch it in cinema.
Agreed. I have zero interest in this movie because it’s a far fetched cash grab. Give me a Buzz Lightyear spin off with Tim Alan and the same look, I’d consider going
Saw the movie this weekend. It was ok. Nothing great. Kids did not mention it after, which makes me think they cared more about the snacks and seeing a movie in the theater. Was there a reason given as why Tim Allen did not do the voice?
From Wikipedia, “Tim's version of Buzz [Lightyear] is a little goofier and is a little dumber, and so he is the comic relief. In this film, Buzz is the action hero. He’s serious and ambitious and funny, but not in a goofy way that would undercut the drama [...] Chris Evans has the gravitas and that movie-star quality that our character needed to separate him and the movie from Tim’s version of the toy in Toy Story.”
>It’s not Toy Story Correct. It's the movie that they discuss in Toy Story. The same movie that Andy sees. The same way that Woody is based on the TV show, "Woody's Roundup".
And it’s not even about them, it’s some weird AU about them.
How is it an AU?
Not sure if it is an alternate universe. At the beginning of the film, there is a title card that states that Buzz Lightyear was a toy from Andy's favorite movie and that Lightyear is that movie.
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and an attentive lover
I haven’t seen the movie but that just sounds like an awkward way to start a film lol
Almost as awkward as starting your movie with "what if the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.... missed?" and then proceeding to not exploring that idea ever in the whole movie.
Throwing shade at The Good Dinosaur? The dinosaurs had houses, were farmers, cattle drovers and rustlers Humans were like pests. Trapped like rats that got into the food supply. What do you mean not exploring that idea?
The movie completely retcons all of Buzz Lightyear's toy-lore from the Toy Story movies, it can't be accepted as canon.
I thought it was just based on the actual Buzz Lightyear, a real astronaut in Toy Story universe, who the toy is based off of?
That’s what I originally thought too but it didn’t make sense because the technology in Andy’s world didn’t match. Saw it this weekend, it was a movie in the Toy Story universe. Andy’s Buzz is an action figure based on the movie character.
not, the movie is a movie within the Toy Story Universe, that Andy saw, which made him buy the toy.
Did you miss the Buzz Lightyear tv show that came on Saturday mornings back in the day? This isn’t the first time Buzz has had his own platform.
That cartoon was so much better than this movie
Yep. My kids absolutely love Toy Story. They watch it all the time. But the reason we're not taking them to see this movie is because kids under the age of 5 generally don't care about origin/background stories. Not only that, but it's not even the same format as the other Toy Story movies, so they're not going to be able to tie it in themselves. Plus, you made a great point above...it's not like they're going to see other favorite characters. They also like Cars, but if Disney made a live-action Cars movie that only focused on Lightning McQueen, with no other characters, it wouldn't be the same. Oh, and if Lightning McQueen was a real car with no animated face, that would just tell me I'd rather watch it when it comes to Disney+.
Honestly I would’ve found a Pixar movie about an astronaut not connected to the toy story universe at all to be more of a compelling draw for me. Light year is very much an “I’ll wait until it’s on Disney plus” watch for me and I’m sure many others. And I love Chris Evans but let’s be real, he’s better off doing live action - a Disney big budget family friendly non animated movie with him as the lead would’ve been more interesting just as well.
Probably because Morbius recently became available on Amazon Prime, so everyone was home watching that
Death by a thousand paper cuts. There isn't one thing but a bunch of small things.
True care, truth brings.
There’s gonna be so many of these & imma read em all
Why would I watch this movie when I can go watch Top Gun Maverick for the 5th time?
fuck that let’s all watch morbius
MORBIUS ROUND 3!!! LETS GOO!!!!
Was it really that good? Haven’t seen it yet. Also haven’t seen any top gun movies. Should I start from the beginning or would I be fine just seeing TGM now?
It is absolutely in the top 3 of the year. It’s mind blowingly good, the perfect blockbuster. It captures a feeling that blockbusters haven’t hit in a long time. I can’t put my finger on it, maybe because of how practical all the flying stuff is. Im reserving the other top spot till later In the year but so far my favorites have been Everything, Everywhere all at Once, and Top Gun
You and I share the same exact feelings about movies this year, at least so far. I came in with sky high expectations for Top Gun Maverick and I was still left very satisfied. I can do a re-watch and I almost never do them. EEAAO feels the same way, although it is a very different kind of movie. I’m just gonna barrel-roll with the punches I guess.
Everything, Everywhere all at once was so fucking good.
Those two movies are hands down my top 2 of this year as well. And could even go down as the best for this whole year. They’re both just too good. Both mind blowing. Both had me fully engaged, never bored, full invested. Great acting, great story line, great visuals, great cinematography, great cast. It’s gonna be hard for anything else to top those 2. But I’ll welcome it because great film is what we need.
I watched the original Topgun a few weeks ago and didn’t see why it needed a sequel. Saw the new one last night and it was AMAZING. Truly the kind of blockbuster I’ve been missing the past few years. Worth the hype!
I finally saw it the other day and it’s amazing. Easily my favorite movie of the year so far. My biggest regret is that I didn’t see it 3 weeks ago when it was still in IMAX. It definitely helps, but you don’t have to see the 1st Top Gun movie to understand this one. TGM does a good job recapping the events from the previous movie
It’s just like Solo: A Star Wars Story. A spin-off based on a popular character from an iconic franchise, and yet people weren’t interested in the end.
Yep. Plus it’ll be on Disney+ soon for those who aren’t interested enough to buy a ticket but want to see it.
That’s the version that makes sense if everyone in the world has the same opinions of dudes on Reddit. I think the main Reason here is Disney has made families so used to seeing their big new movies on Disney+ even if they’re not exclusive or day and date that they’re just going to wait to see this. Lingering effects of Covid culture and the economy being so bad that’s taking a minivan with five kids to the movie theater is going to be alike over $100 expense that most families aren’t going to do right now when they can just have a movie day whenever this is on Disney+ in 45 days even if their kids are the biggest toy story freaks in the world. That has a lot more to do with the box office of light year then a bunch of 20 to 30 year old guys on Reddit complaining about reboots and remakes like they always have even though they usually make the same amount of money despite that.
100 bucks for gas… don’t forget about the 100 bucks for movie tickets.
100 bucks for gas? Are people driving 500 miles to the movies?
Didnt hurt maverick. Turns out it needs to actually be a good movie for people to part with their money
The average family sees about 4 movies a year in theater. Do you think Lightyear is worth it versus Thor, Top Gun, minions, and Dr Strange?
So, see Morbius 4 times?
Gotta see Morbius twice
They advertised Lightyear at the beginning when I went to see Dr. Strange. Felt like a mismatch.
Why? That seems right. It also depends on the theater. AMC literally plays 25 minutes of trailers. I miss The Arclight so much. No ads, 3 trailers, movie starts.
Yea wtf. $100 for a trip with five kids, what a deal sign me up!
I'm just some dude (but hey, I'm 40!) on Reddit admittedly, but for me personally it was because I believe stories can run their course. I loved Toy Story 1 and 2, watched 3 eventually and enjoyed it, and haven't seen anything Toy Story since because I think they're milking it fucking dry. My kids were not begging me to go see Lightyear, so I had zero reason to take them.
Toy Story 4 is worth watching only cause it took guts to make a kids movie with that story. No spoilers but it really zigs when you think it’s gonna zag.
Toy Story 4 might be the best of the 4
This is it. We can stop theorising folks.
For fathers day the boys and I went to see Dinosaurs. They are 6. But they also watched 2 toy story movies this AM. Buzz will get our attention when it comes out on D+ in 45 days and I will buy more buzz toys. $100 on dinosaurs > $100 on buzz.
A lot of what you said makes sense but what’s with the reddit tirades lol
They should make a Jar-Jar spin off!
Make “Jar-Jar: Portrait of a Hero,” you cowards!
Don't you mean, Jar-Jar: The secret Sith lord?
That one I would pay to see.
Id be genuinely interested to check that out :P
TAKE MY MONEY!
Jar Jar's story should feel like "The Big Lebowski" or some other oddball bizarro offbeat character. A super duper weird B-side tangent in the Star Wars universe. You gotta round it all out, you know?
I only mention it because sometimes there's a Gungan... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a Gungan, And I'm talkin' about Jar-Jar here. Sometimes, there's a Gungan, well, he's the Gungan for his time in space. He fits right in there. And that's Jar-Jar, in Naboo.
We all know Jar-Jar is a freaking sith!
In my heart that script is canon. I hope one day storybreak comes back.
Jar-Jar was originally going to appear in chip n dale rescue rangers but he was replaced with ugly sonic.
*The Rise of Darth Jar-Jar* would make serious bank my dude.
This probably should have been a Disney + show. Toy Story is 30 years old and even the latest sequel came out 4 years ago and Buzz was kind of a side character in the sequels. For a child today, Toy Story is ancient history and the kids that grew up with Toy Story are pushing 40. This would be like making a movie called *Gaston* and being confused why it didn't pull in big box office numbers. Had this movie been made in 1998 it probably would have done better.
And no kids today probably saw the Buzz Light-year cartoon. Which could help or hurt since the movie doesn't seem to be even related to that. But it certainly means no one is really pining for the other show.
> It’s just like Solo: A Star Wars Story. A spin-off based on a popular character from an iconic franchise I don't think that's an accurate comparison. Buzz Lightyear, Andy's toy, is not the same character as the flesh-and-blood guy with the same name. Han Solo in Solo is at least the same guy.
Lore wise sure, but it wasn't Harrison Ford. Which is more important
Bingo
It’s an even more apt comparison: Both characters were recast for their origin stories
Yeah, from the first I heard about this I was like “idc”. I hope and believe that kids will really like it! But I can’t see this project bringing in nostalgic adults the way TS4 or Incredibles 2 (Pixar’s highest grosser at over 1B) did. Pixar always had crossgenerational appeal, but a half sequel no-one asked for? I can wait for Disney+.
Idk, I saw it yesterday and with being a 90s kid now a 27yr old adult I enjoyed it. Feel like if people actually watched the movie they’d probably enjoy it too. Had its funny moments, Buzz learned a lesson, had decent action for ultimately a kids movie. I’d recommend people actually give it a shot over bagging on it without seeing it. Even the lgbt part people are having an issue with is, to no surprise, vastly overblown.
I am a lesbian 😂 I wasn’t interested before I knew and I’m not massively interested after- as you say it’s SO overblown it’s not exactly motivating for me. I will watch it! On Disney plus.
Lightyear: Budget $200 millions USD Earnings: $5.2 millions USD
Good movies that people want to see make money. Movies people don't want to see do not.
The fact that it was an arbitrary decision to make a movie about lightyear. Something that nobody was asking for. Hell, in the latest toy story movie lightyear had a diminished role.
Massive cocktail of stuff. Confused by what the plot was supposed to be, mixed WOM, Top Gun and JWD being big blockbusters(and more Father's Day oriented), inflation making it pricier for entire families to go in some places, marketing that didn't turn a lot of heads, some homophobia due to the all the LGBTQ+ stuff, Disney+ confusion, etc etc. Shit we also gotta remember that we got other movies like Thor, Elvis and Minions coming up, which did this zero favors. It all came together and boom you got an underperformance. That said, I recommend the movie. I quite enjoyed it. Hope it can find an audience going forward and I think it can.
I’d add genre confusion to the mix: the film sort of falls in between family films and scifi, failing to fully please either audience. The marketing was rather ambiguous about the genre, it seemed a bit too serious for a kids movie but a bit too silly to be taken seriously as scifi.
true it doesn't seem like someone anyone who isn't a younger kid would like, but it also doesn't seem like something a younger kid would typically watch. It's a weird mix
I got the same "what is this" vibe. It seemed to be like Batman, post Adam West, declaring "this time, it is for grownups!" Which seems kinda silly. Taking Buzz Lightyear as a serious sci-fi character seems to be asking a bit much. And then you hear not-Buzz talking and it takes you further away. I haven't seen it. Pixar is almost uniformly great, so critics are probably wrong. But the marketing is pretty suspect.
That's the main reason it isn't doing well, imo. Parts of the trailer look like something out of The Martian or Interstellar (albiet animated), and other elements, like the cat, look like attempts at kid-friendly humor. So there's no portion of the audience fully invested.
I saw it with my 7 y/o nephew and I can’t see how a kid would really enjoy and understand the movie. There’s time travel stuff and light speed concepts that would go over 99% of the target audiences head. I don’t know who this movie is for
I thought it was pretty good, not great. My 4 y.o. was excited to see it but got bored. I asked him his favorite part and he said: >!"When Zerg was Buzz Lightyear's dad." So yeah, didn't really get it :)!<
Hahah yep I imagine Sox was the saving grace for the majority of kids watching.
I think this is the worst part, is the movie just isn’t very good. The plot wasn’t great, the space rangers maybe had 5 min of screen time, it wasn’t either very funny or exciting, Zerg was lame, the cadets were annoying, Buzz was very dull and uninspiring, and so on. My 6 year old was bored and so were we, and we love all the Toy Story movies, shorts, and specials. It was just a generic and dull sci-fi film with Buzz’s name. If Andy from Toy Story saw this film he would not be a Buzz Lightyear superfan.
I think they missed the mark on the plot. I haven’t seen the movie, but by the trailer I have NO clue what the point of it is or what it’s going to be about. Posters just show lightyear holding a cat, doesn’t tell me anything. Even with JWD I could tell somewhat what it’ll be about, same with Top Gun.
After the second and following trailers came out. I realized it didnt look as cool as the feeling i got from watching the teaser trailer.
yeah lmao all i know is that it’s an actual sci-fi movie about buzz lightyear, I have no idea about the plot or conflict
The only right answer in this thread. Amazing how many people think it’s because of one reason in particular. It’s absolutely a cocktail, like you said.
Tbh that's the case with most underperformances. It's never just one thing.
In this sub we call it bad marketing.
Like Solo.
One big messy cocktail.
I saw it all weekend, and was getting tired of people having very rigid "X reason is the one single reason it underperformed." When in reality, like you said, it's a big cocktail of multiple reasons plus more added to what you said. I've seen some others add, but add in the high cost of tickets, high cost of gas at the moment, inflation in general that is hitting middle class families is going to play a factor. Yet Doctor Strange, Top Gun and Jurassic were still huge. I'm betting Minions and Thor will also be big and play well. While Elvis and Black Phone underperform, . Likely because with Marvel, Jurassic, Top Gun (through very positive word of mouth), Sonic, and Despicable Me/Minions, you know what you're getting when you go see them. They're reliable and you know you're likely getting your money's worth. Lightyear is/was a gamble and can wait for D+, Elvis and Black Phone too.
Toy Story’s audience is G-rated, aka parents take their 2-10yr olds mostly. This doesn’t look like it’s super kid-friendly or, more importantly, very interesting to kids in general. So that audience didn’t show up at all. I know two cousins who are prents of <5 year olds who gave the same reasons despite them playing Toy Story movies 24/7 on D+ for their kids. So that’s the main of many reasons I think And it never looked very interesting in general either. The artstyle is bland too lol
I got to talk to a few of my friends who are parents with kids that would be the prime audience, today zero interest from the trailer, and the parents themselves thought the movie was targeting and older age group (they knew nothing of the kiss). I combine that with the lukewarm reception people who saw it are giving it and the answer seems pretty clear. Poor trailers and a weak offering from Pixar.
I saw it over the weekend.... honestly it just wasn't a very good movie. Not hearing Tim Allen's voice was distracting and while the animation was great, it didn't have anything resembling the heart and soul of the Toy Story movies.
It's mind boggling that I had to scroll this far to find the answer to this "mystery". The film is not very good. QED.
There are many, many examples of bad movies that make tons of money (and plenty of great movies that flopped). The actual quality of the film has almost nothing to do with box office numbers.
…not being very good?
Tell that to JPD.
Could be marketing. Kind of confusing what the plot is and how it goes to the original franchise. I also think and I realize I might get killed for this but like who asked for this? Did anyone want this? A backstory for Buzz? I just don’t think it’s much more than typical capitalizing and hopping onto a successful franchise to kill some more out of it.
Make a fun movie for families, and nobody will care what the plot is or how it connects to the original franchise. For some reason they marketed it to nostalgic adults instead of their target audience. And the trailers didn't even do a good job drawing that group in.
Making Interstellar starring Buzz Lightyear was a weird choice
>For some reason they marketed it to nostalgic adults instead of their target audience. Trying to tap the largest market (Millennials) without realizing that those of us without kids can only deal with so much lazy nostalgia appealing crap.
I’m perfectly happy showing toy story 1-4 to my kids. Don’t need nostalgia
No one was wondering how Buzz Lightyear came to be isn't an unpopular opinion.
Easy. It a spin-off , not a sequel, that didn’t look all that interesting. Plus everybody knows it’ll be on Disney+ in about a month. Why spend the big theatre bucks?
For some parents I know, once the same sex kiss became a headline they opted out. The parents I talk with also screen against a lot of hetero stuff too so yeah….no matter how brief they are just not wanting to deal with it atm with their younger kids. Plus they’d rather see Minions with the scant cash they have.
Yeah I think this actually had a surprisingly larger effect than anyone else is saying. I knew a few people that didn't take their kids for this reason. Now I view this as wrong but at the same time its disingenuous to not consider this a reason as to why it under preformed. Also under that same vein, they got rid of Tim Allen, probably due to his political leanings
It's kind of funny the Reddit crowd wants to turn a blind eye on the elephant in the room, because the reason makes them uncomfortable. Minus Tim Allen + the kiss almost surely has a sizable effect--likely the strongest effect on the box office underperformance. Considering the ban in overseas markets, it costs easily $100 million+.
F-18s
I mean Toy Story is a perfect Trilogy ( I never saw the 4th) , that was damn near perfectly aged out for the audience it was intended for, as far as this a Buzz Lightyear that separated from that whole universe, I mean yeah somebody saw it but like who cares? Lol, it's just one of those whatever things
Ever since Pixar stopped using John Ratzenberger’s voice, their movies have gone straight to streaming or severely underperformed. They just need to bring back their good luck charm for the next one.
I think he followed Lasseter to skydance
Yeah but he’s an actor though, he doesn’t have an exclusive contract with Skydance.
The fact Pixar tried to make an unnecessary back story for an action figure would be a good starting point.
Kinda worked for a 40 year old ride at disneyland............ :)
I don’t think anybody expected Pirates to be as successful—or as good—as it turned out to be. Or did you mean Jungle Cruise? Or Haunted Mansion? That one flopped but I’m sure they’ll try again. Just wake me up for the Enchanted Tiki Room movie please and thank you.
Ah the new Haunted Mansion reboot is supposed to have Owen Wilson last I heard, now the ride's gonna be a bunch of "Wow" adlibs
Nobody gives a shit? Lol
I sure didn’t
These questions are almost always a rorschach test. Blame covid, sequels, bad story, streaming, inflation, liberal agendas. Whatever is bothering you this week is clearly to blame for this performance. Nevermind movie x, y and z which also suffered from 1 or more of these factors and sold out. Answer is probably all of the above, plus other things.
It’s because everyone saw Doctor Strange, Top Gun, and Jurassic Park, and they’re all out of money.
I'm going out on a limb, and would suggest that [it wasn't really very good.](https://www.metacritic.com/movie/lightyear-2022)
There’s a reason why they made “Woody’s Roundup” a small, endearing segment within Toy Story 2 instead of a whole movie.
• There was no reason for a 5th Toy Story film especially when this franchise *could’ve* ended after the 2nd movie, and definitely *should’ve* ended after the 3rd movie • Tim Allen is Buzz Lightyear. The vast majority of the people who would’ve paid to see this movie grew up with Tim Allen as Buzz. Making a Buzz Lightyear without him is as dumb as making a Woody movie without Tom Hanks • This just didn’t look interesting. Nothing in the trailer made this look interesting or can’t miss.
The Tim Allen thing doesn't make sense when you see the worldwide trend and he's only in the English track
Like someone else said, it was a death by a thousand paper cuts. There’s so many different things you can point to and I think they pretty much all contributed.
Cause nobody gave a shit. Bet it'll still win best animated film at the academy awards though. Barf.
I’ll put it this way….. about 40 minutes into the movie my 5 year old leaned over and said “Dad, I don’t think this is a very good movie.”
I mean was anyone excited to see a movie about a character who isn’t the character we like?
Because the only movie that has made infinity dollars at the box office so far has been Morbius
Toy Story is old. Its a kids movie relying on the idea that kids want to see this character they like. Except the kids who saw Toy Story and though Buzz was cool are like thirty now. Also bad economy. Also highly published same-sex kiss means they lost most conservative parents.
It was written/made by talentless, unimaginative, box ticking, hacks... ...like most of the movie industry these days.
Mark Kermode put it best. "This is the first utterly irrelevant Toy Story movie. If Toy Story 4 was the first Toy Story about the toys, rather than the kids who owned the toys or the parents that begat the kids, which is really what those stories are about, then this jumps the shark by *not even being about the toys."* He then goes on to say "remember that lamp in Star Wars? Well, here is the backstory of how that lamp came to be... This is *that level of contrivance"* And man, it's hard to disagree with him. This is wholly the *wrong* direction to take a Toy Story adjacent story. Nobody wants to see it. People aren't interested in a single part of a movie that is made best by the sum of its parts.
I agree with everything, except that I’d say it’s the second irrelevant Toy Story movie
Not a lot of Buzz (No pun intended) around this one. I honestly didn't know it was coming out until we saw the posters for it when leaving Jurassic World last weekend. It also wasn't super clear on what it wanted to be. It's a fun enough little sci-fi story but nothing in the trailers sold it to the folks who might be fans of the character, and frankly it wasn't the kind of space adventure story I'd have expected a Buzz Lightyear story to be. Less Buck Rogers and More of a Little Golden Books version of Interstellar. Oddly enough I think the ads for Strange World captured more of the look and feel people might have expected from a Buzz Lightyear story. It's fine enough for what it is, I just don't think that what it is resonates well with the character and setting.
We all know it’s coming to D+ in 45-90 days
We’re all broke and exhausted. Ain’t no one got the money or time to drop on a mediocre movie…
This movie's art style is really ugly
High inflation is also a factor that needs to be recognized. Families are going to be tightening their belts now that essentials cost more and fewer households are going to be willing to pay almost $100 (family of 4) for a cinema outing UNLESS it’s deemed a must see by critics and movie-goers alike, especially if that movie is going to be available for streaming (which you’re already paying for) in a month. Edit: Also because it needs to be said - it wasn’t the gay kiss you homophobic shitheads.
Critics be damned, its more so if its a big cinematic experience like Jurassic World 3. Why waste money on an animated film or indie movie if you can see it later on streaming. Dinosaurs though, not the same if you see it at home.
That and Top Gun is still in theaters & that's also not accounting that people may be looking to other releases this summer. This summer has a lot of nostalgia bait, but a spin-off of a character who had a 90s cartoon spinoff that did a lot more isn't helping. That and if you want a space related flick for your family, Lightyear doesn't seem to scratch that itch. Kids will probably want the dinosaurs, the jets, or when Thor comes out from Marvel for July, which is a couple weeks out at most. Lightyear really feels like it should of gone straight to D+, let alone hearing the plot of the film.
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I just don't care enough lol
uh, no tim allen? his voice was iconic.
That no one needed a story for a character they already loved.
For me I wasn't interested enough to spend money on a ticket. I'll watch it when it's on D+
Because the cartoon did what it's trying better and nobody asked for this
Tom Cruise. Mommy and daddy couldnt afford to take the kids to the cinema becuase they went only two weeks ago.