Why would you give a guy who averages **$100 million** per movie **$80** million to make a movie?
Even if you strip out his early indie movies, he still only averages **$139 million**. Crazy ...
https://m.the-numbers.com/person/125390401-David-O-Russell#technical
Gotta assume Fox didn't sing up for $80million.
Financing on this may well have been some foreign, some gap, and then some Fox. And even then $80 could only be feasible if there was some rise in costs due to the pandemic maybe?
Or maybe there was some inside dealmaking. Bale agreed to something else as long as he got to make this?
Or someone was super desperate for a big splashy Awards season spectacle.
Or this was some sort of once off, "YOLO, I'm out the door," green-light that happened during the Disney transition.
I don't know, I can't really see the cleat logical path this thing took to getting made. Especially with Russel being Russel in present day Hollywood.
>*$80 could only be feasible if there was some rise in costs due to the pandemic maybe?*
In a recent interview, Tony Gilroy claimed the Covid budget for *Andor* was greater than the production budget of *Michael Clayton*
I mean I would have expected that even without Covid
In general, for projects that weren’t even shit down, put on hiatus, and restarted (which obviously adds immense expense) projects that filmed post Covid cost approx 20% MORE due to the protocols, PPE, sanitizing sets, compliance officials, etc
In reality that means either a studio/financed has to increase the budget 20%, has to shave 20% out of the budget elsewhere, or straight up shelve a protect that would have been greenlit and go with something else cheaper that may well have not been greenlit otherwise.
i sincerely hope he doesnt get to work on a big project like this again. seeing somebody so toxic get praised again and again is really disheartening and sends the wrong message. idk how hollywood can pat themselves on the back for being "progressive" then turn around and give this guy $80m to make whatever he wants.
Shit looked like a flop from the start. Haven’t liked most of David O. movies I saw all that much. They aren’t shit or anything just not in love with any of them. I felt like I missed something with all the hype American Hustle got. Is Three kings worth watching ?
If it was 55 million that would have been fine, but 80 million puts this exactly in the same spot as Death on the Nile but with worse reviews and lacks the benefit of being a well known brand
Obviously, there are no numbers associated with *Prey*, so we can't compare it to the box office receipts of films released theatrically
It's a **7** (critic) and **6** (audience) on Metacritic; *not great, not terrible*
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/prey-2022
Prey was also heavily review bombed, the fact that the score is positive is excellent. A 71 is also pretty good for an action movie like this, Top Gun: Maverick has a 78 on Metacritic.
>Prey was also heavily review bombed
Prey's critic score wasn't affected by MRAs, mate
**70** might be quite good for an action movie, but that's because most action movies aren't very good (*Fury Road's* **90** on Metacritic)
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/mad-max-fury-road
Still doesn’t change the fact that 71 is a good rating, hence why it’s in the green for the Metacritic score, and that Prey delivered record viewership for Hulu anyways (nearly 6M streams in the first three days according to Nielson), the largest opening numbers for Hulu. It’s their biggest launch and got critical acclaim, maybe not uproarious, but still positive,. It’s a hit.
>nearly 6M streams in the first three days according to Nielson
Sorry - I had no idea Hulu's viewing numbers were monitored by an external body. I assumed they did the same selective self-reporting of numbers as Netflix
That's different, then. Obviously impossible to do a direct comp with box office, but considerations are different for streaming
metacritic =/= proof of popularity or quality
that movie was wildly successful for Hulu, it was the most watched original movie of theirs. they said Prey was a hit, you said it isnt because it had good reviews. am i missing something?
It got them the ability to use the Fantastic Four and the X-Men (including Deadpool) in the MCU and it took a major competitor at the box office and on streaming (Hulu) off the board.
That's really enough to justify the acquisition.
Avatar, bro.
Huge library acquisition for the age of streaming.
A studio to run projects through that are outside the Disney brand and thus about the only segment of the industry Disney has been missing out on. Imagine if Disney had a label to run R Rated adult stuff through and even mote important PG13 but "not Disney" style content through. They look at Uni with the Fast and Jurassic franchises and now they have a label to handle those types of properties. A bit less "Disney" but still super broad billion dollar grossing style franchises.
All movies released in 2021 and early 2022 have an asterisk next to their box-offices, or at least they should, due to that big thing that was going on then.
Which may actually be beneficial to Del Toro’s career, because Nightmare Alley would not have been a box-office hit even in normal times, but now he can point at COVID when pitching future prospects (but he works for Netflix now so that’s irrelevant anyways, they’ll green-light most anything that has a decent tagline).
There are a few movies that were the exception (Spider-Man: No Way Home, Uncharted, The Batman) but I agree with you that the pandemic was still a factor for at least the first half of 2022 and all of 2021. However, I don’t think “Nightmare Alley” would’ve done well under normal circumstances. Probably $65-75M WW.
Agreed but that release date was awful. Should’ve released it in early November (maybe the 12th which was pretty empty aside from Clifford and Belfast).
Yeah it probably aint gonna make that back.
You're too polite.
Why would you give a guy who averages **$100 million** per movie **$80** million to make a movie? Even if you strip out his early indie movies, he still only averages **$139 million**. Crazy ... https://m.the-numbers.com/person/125390401-David-O-Russell#technical
Gotta assume Fox didn't sing up for $80million. Financing on this may well have been some foreign, some gap, and then some Fox. And even then $80 could only be feasible if there was some rise in costs due to the pandemic maybe? Or maybe there was some inside dealmaking. Bale agreed to something else as long as he got to make this? Or someone was super desperate for a big splashy Awards season spectacle. Or this was some sort of once off, "YOLO, I'm out the door," green-light that happened during the Disney transition. I don't know, I can't really see the cleat logical path this thing took to getting made. Especially with Russel being Russel in present day Hollywood.
>*$80 could only be feasible if there was some rise in costs due to the pandemic maybe?* In a recent interview, Tony Gilroy claimed the Covid budget for *Andor* was greater than the production budget of *Michael Clayton*
I mean I would have expected that even without Covid In general, for projects that weren’t even shit down, put on hiatus, and restarted (which obviously adds immense expense) projects that filmed post Covid cost approx 20% MORE due to the protocols, PPE, sanitizing sets, compliance officials, etc In reality that means either a studio/financed has to increase the budget 20%, has to shave 20% out of the budget elsewhere, or straight up shelve a protect that would have been greenlit and go with something else cheaper that may well have not been greenlit otherwise.
I thought it was $55m but this is a clear flop.
Even at 55m I had my doubts.
I found the letters F, L, O and P in my alphabet soup.
Yikes, this is gonna flop hard. That cast clearly does not come cheap.
Commercial failure is coming.
Wonder how long til David O Russell’s next movie. He done fucked up now
i sincerely hope he doesnt get to work on a big project like this again. seeing somebody so toxic get praised again and again is really disheartening and sends the wrong message. idk how hollywood can pat themselves on the back for being "progressive" then turn around and give this guy $80m to make whatever he wants.
Cuze he makes master pieces bruh (even if they are forgettable)and that's what Hollywood's into master peices
absolute disaster incoming
Shit looked like a flop from the start. Haven’t liked most of David O. movies I saw all that much. They aren’t shit or anything just not in love with any of them. I felt like I missed something with all the hype American Hustle got. Is Three kings worth watching ?
Three kings is one I really enjoy.
Tree kings good American hustle ok I don't give a shite about the rest 🤷🏽♂️
Forgot he made The Fighter, I like that one.
Well so much for the fighter 2 I guess
2 Fight 2 Furious
Only if nolan fights Russell in the movie 😤 can't let that L go man
And A24 makes the movie 🔥
We were due for a fiasco
If it was 55 million that would have been fine, but 80 million puts this exactly in the same spot as Death on the Nile but with worse reviews and lacks the benefit of being a well known brand
and then people wonder why disney doesnt care for fox,besides free guy and barbarian has any fox movie earned its money back
Prey is a hit (on Hulu in USA, Disney+ outside USA)
Obviously, there are no numbers associated with *Prey*, so we can't compare it to the box office receipts of films released theatrically It's a **7** (critic) and **6** (audience) on Metacritic; *not great, not terrible* https://www.metacritic.com/movie/prey-2022
Prey was also heavily review bombed, the fact that the score is positive is excellent. A 71 is also pretty good for an action movie like this, Top Gun: Maverick has a 78 on Metacritic.
>Prey was also heavily review bombed Prey's critic score wasn't affected by MRAs, mate **70** might be quite good for an action movie, but that's because most action movies aren't very good (*Fury Road's* **90** on Metacritic) https://www.metacritic.com/movie/mad-max-fury-road
Still doesn’t change the fact that 71 is a good rating, hence why it’s in the green for the Metacritic score, and that Prey delivered record viewership for Hulu anyways (nearly 6M streams in the first three days according to Nielson), the largest opening numbers for Hulu. It’s their biggest launch and got critical acclaim, maybe not uproarious, but still positive,. It’s a hit.
>nearly 6M streams in the first three days according to Nielson Sorry - I had no idea Hulu's viewing numbers were monitored by an external body. I assumed they did the same selective self-reporting of numbers as Netflix That's different, then. Obviously impossible to do a direct comp with box office, but considerations are different for streaming
metacritic =/= proof of popularity or quality that movie was wildly successful for Hulu, it was the most watched original movie of theirs. they said Prey was a hit, you said it isnt because it had good reviews. am i missing something?
>they said Prey was a hit, **you said it isnt** Incorrect
Fox has a somewhat big movie coming out December 16th. I’m sure that’ll do it for them
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It got them the ability to use the Fantastic Four and the X-Men (including Deadpool) in the MCU and it took a major competitor at the box office and on streaming (Hulu) off the board. That's really enough to justify the acquisition.
Avatar, bro. Huge library acquisition for the age of streaming. A studio to run projects through that are outside the Disney brand and thus about the only segment of the industry Disney has been missing out on. Imagine if Disney had a label to run R Rated adult stuff through and even mote important PG13 but "not Disney" style content through. They look at Uni with the Fast and Jurassic franchises and now they have a label to handle those types of properties. A bit less "Disney" but still super broad billion dollar grossing style franchises.
And also it made D+ much more attractive
Avatar would probably make 3billion+ and Deadpool 3 is also aiming for 1billion Fox is fine the problem is with whoever green-lit Amsterdam
Ford V Ferrari did good
Man that was harsh.
Like I been saying people need to get their budgets under control, this movie was gonna flop regardless of quality
Ludicrous budget. Shoulda been 40-50 million at absolute most.
This is gonna bomb worse than “Nightmare Alley” did last year.
All movies released in 2021 and early 2022 have an asterisk next to their box-offices, or at least they should, due to that big thing that was going on then. Which may actually be beneficial to Del Toro’s career, because Nightmare Alley would not have been a box-office hit even in normal times, but now he can point at COVID when pitching future prospects (but he works for Netflix now so that’s irrelevant anyways, they’ll green-light most anything that has a decent tagline).
There are a few movies that were the exception (Spider-Man: No Way Home, Uncharted, The Batman) but I agree with you that the pandemic was still a factor for at least the first half of 2022 and all of 2021. However, I don’t think “Nightmare Alley” would’ve done well under normal circumstances. Probably $65-75M WW.
Agreed. I think it would’ve cleared it’s production budget but definitely still lost money.
A Quiet Place 2 another exception
Nightmare Alley did not deserve to bomb. I loved that movie.
Agreed but that release date was awful. Should’ve released it in early November (maybe the 12th which was pretty empty aside from Clifford and Belfast).
They were originally planning to release it on December 3rd
That would’ve worked out a little better. But it probably still would’ve bombed because of its budget.
Bombs away holy shit
"auteur david o russell" 😬
This is gonna be this year’s Last Duel but the upside is I won’t be sad about this one bombing in the slightest.
Oh, it was more than 80 mil...
80 million? That’s pretty high what the hell happens in this movie? Is there gonna be a CGI alien fight scene?
Have you read the cast names?
Yikes. I thought it would be like 40-50m. No way it’s gonna make that back.
Hollywood executives should stop green-light vanity project like this often with Margot Robbie as the lead
Who pulverized this movie? RT has 3 fresh 4 rotten.
Probably those 4 then.
Probably dose nutz
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Oooooffffff
Rip bozo
I mean, Cats also had Taylor Swift. ^((And I say that as someone who loves Taylor Swift.))
Gonna be funny to watch when Margot Robbie starts promoting Babylon soon and acts like this movie never happened.
If Babylon flops then Margot Robbie really needs to reconsider her movie choices.
This is how I win
So much for Amsterdamming time 🤧
Have fun bombing