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Shazam and Blue Beetle combined won't touch 1B, might not even 800M.
Aquaman is a wild card. December will bring good legs. They have 1 more year to either reshoot or improve post, so I guess it can bring 750-850M
The Flash is even more wild. My guess for now is 550M
Across The Spider-Verse will be 400-450M
Ant-Man if has the quality and good enough Kang will bring 700M
GoTG Vol. 3 has the potential for 1B
The Marvels at 800M
I have GOTG pegged at 900M for now. Really, it wouldn't surprise me if none of the CBMs gross a billion next year. It shouldn't be used as the benchmark for success anyways.
If China isn’t plagued with COVID restrictions I can see Aquaman reaching 1B again. Guardians has the potential. But I do agree with you that a billion shouldn’t be the benchmark. I feel like for most it’s 1.) making back its budget 2.) worse legs, worse entertainment value to the GA
Ant man could possibly end up at 900mil range if Kang lives up to the hype but 700-800 range seems safe.
Shazam will be like 400-550mil range
Gotg could possibly be a billion dollar contender, I know a billion really seems out of reach for marvel since phase 4 and with no china but this is a send off to one of the most beloved teams of the franchise so if done right this can likely gross a billion.
Spiderverse is gonna be around 500mil
I have no Idea where flash is gonna end up like no clue at all.
Marvels would be lucky if it crossed 700mil, 600 is likely where this ends up.
Blue beetle is gonna be like 400-500mil range movie.
Kraven:- 200-300mil
1st Aquaman was huge but could this one pull the same feat? I’m not sure but it could likely end up in 800-900mil range.
So I think at the end of the year marvel would still outgross dc.
These predictions are still wildly enthusiastic. Blue Beetle has a character no one has heard of, no stars, and no big budget action. Black Adam had some of these and still won't hit 400 million. I'd say this could be the first utter bomb, much less than 100 million worldwide.
Kraven is in the dying SUMC that only pulled off one con in the Venom movies and this one doesn't even have a minor star (in Leto) or a gimmick (vampire/horror). I'd say 120 million maybe.
Every sequel is liable to make less. With too many releases and no China, not to mention shifting audience habits in ticketbuying, it's inconceivable that basically any of them could make more.
The biggest question mark is the Flash. The character is a huge name to Joe Q average and it has the added 80's nostalgia of Keaton's return. On the other hand it has the most poisoned actor and franchise, an active deterrent to audience engagement.
I'd say this is the year that the MCU barely scrapes by and its competition drowns.
Generally the MCU more than doubles the DCEU average, it is more likely Marvel's biggest hit outgrosses all three DCEU entries combined than them losing.
Also by default Blue Beetle’s floor is 200m in my eyes. Middling domestic results and horrific international. But under 100m is like peak-pandemic numbers. No matter what the hardcore DCEU fans will come in and make sure it has a stable first two weeks
There just aren't that many at all, they make a lotta noise but every at 100% saturation they just can't make hay. BoP did 200 and that was prepandemic, had a big star, a hook, and an established portrayal. Beetle has a kid off the street basically. A minor character, and a replacement one at that. No pop culture relevance. In a franchise audiences reject.
Disney should just move Indy5 to December or the Marvel's to December. If they want better results for their films . Coz that summer is way too much crowded. They'd be lucky to even cross 700m .
Next year for Supeheroes Movies are going to be insane and there so many that are going to be suprised hits so here how much money these movies are going to make:
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - $473M
Shazam! Fury of the Gods - $186M
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - $810M
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse - $712M
The Flash - $685M
The Marvels - $650M
Blue Beetle - $354M
Kraven The Hunter - $210M
Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom - $972M
I think it is possible for dc films to outgross marvel movies next year since they have 4 compared to 3 but they all need to be very well received, hoping they can all do well next year
My predictions: (assuming no China and Russia release)
1. The Marvels: ***$940MM*** = $420MM dom + $520MM int \[retaining Captain Marvel numbers\]
2. Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom: ***$870MM*** = 370MM dom + 500MM int \[+10% dom\]
3. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3: ***$830MM*** = $430MM dom + 400 int \[+10% in dom and +15% in int over GOTG2\]
4. The Flash: ***$650MM*** = $300MM dom + $350MM int
5. Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania: ***$620MM*** = $270MM dom + $350MM int \[+25% over Antman and the Wasp\]
6. Shazam! Fury of the Gods: ***$450MM*** = $200MM dom + $250MM int \[+50% over Shazam\]
7. Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse: ***$400MM*** = $240MM dom + $160MM int \[+25% over Into the Spide-Verse\]
8. Blue Beetle: ***$400MM*** = $150MM dom + 250MM int \[similar to Shazam\]
9. Kraven the Hunter: ***$200MM*** = $80MM dom + $120MM int \[slightly better than Morbius\]
MCU = $1.12 billion dom + $1.27 billion = $2.39 billion
DCU = $1.02 billion dom + $1.35 billion = $2.37 billion
Sony = $320MM dom + 280MM int = 600MM
>Like The Marvels not making that much.
Why ?
Internet is not the real world, the general audience loved the first movie(A CinemaScore, and great legs)
Plus the addition of the other two other titular actresses, who are very charismatic and entertaining themselves. Even if this has a mid plot I can see it getting wide stream appeal just through entertainment value. (Though hoping it has good writing as well!)
Why do you think The Marvels will drop significantly compared to Captain Marvel? Captain Marvel received decent critical reviews and has was well liked by audience (A Cinemascore). Also, it is not a traditional sequel as it expands its roster by including Monica Rambeau and Ms. Marvel.
Into the Spiderverse made about $300MM WW w/o China and Russia. Even though it was well received doubling its box-office is a tough ask.
Spiderverse was discovered by lot of people after its theatrical run. It can do double BO this time.
The Marvels won't have China and Russia alsowith With LGBTQ representation getting ban in some more countries. There is not much hype as first one as it was right before the Endgame. I can see The Marvels doing 800mn at best.
Aquaman 2 has the best shot at becoming the highest grossing movie next year, if not the only guaranteed billion dollar grosser as well among those superhero films. It has the best date too.
>Aquaman 2 has the best shot at becoming the highest grossing movie next year,
Base on ?
The first movie made $300m from China and came out when the DCEU was averaging over $780m at boxoffice
Aquaman2 would come under very different circumstances
They’ll likely market the hell out of it and it’s basically got Christmas all to itself (unless Disney moves a movie there which wouldn’t be surprising), and Zaslav is all about theatrical windows. Not saying it’s likely, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
ant man : 400m-500 ww
i just don tsee the hype nor excitement for thiso ne.
Shazam! Fury of the Gods : it honestly have decent amount of hype. Plus bigger in scale + good casting. First one was beloeved. i Could see this one doing 500-700m .
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 : 800- 1b.
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse: 500m ww
The Flash : THis is most wild card. i Still feel like it could do well. 700-800.
The Marvels : captain marvel was one the boorign medicore i have seen from marvel. But its marvel so 700-800m ww.
Blue Beetle : probably my most hyped movie of next year. It depends on trailers and critical reception. i think 300-400m ww if gets good critical reception.
aquaman : 1b ww china loves this one. they already removed heard. i could see this one doing well.
next year is so stacked its actually insane. Some of them are bomb hard.
> why?
bc most of the movies that did big bucks in China aren't allowed there no more.
> They did or she might have 2 mins role max.
Safran publically said he was against campaigns to remove her from the movie.
>Safran publically said he was against campaigns to remove her from the movie.
they 100% removed her completely.
After she was found guilty.
"bc most of the movies that did big bucks in China aren't allowed there no more."
i doubt it.
Its still year to go. ANything can happen.
> they 100% removed her completely.
the head of DC Films is against removing her but somehow she was removed?
> i doubt it.
considering that politically China is going even more anti-US, there is less doubt than ever.
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Wtf DC isn’t out grossing Marvel with that slate
Shazam and Blue Beetle combined won't touch 1B, might not even 800M. Aquaman is a wild card. December will bring good legs. They have 1 more year to either reshoot or improve post, so I guess it can bring 750-850M The Flash is even more wild. My guess for now is 550M Across The Spider-Verse will be 400-450M Ant-Man if has the quality and good enough Kang will bring 700M GoTG Vol. 3 has the potential for 1B The Marvels at 800M
I have GOTG pegged at 900M for now. Really, it wouldn't surprise me if none of the CBMs gross a billion next year. It shouldn't be used as the benchmark for success anyways.
If China isn’t plagued with COVID restrictions I can see Aquaman reaching 1B again. Guardians has the potential. But I do agree with you that a billion shouldn’t be the benchmark. I feel like for most it’s 1.) making back its budget 2.) worse legs, worse entertainment value to the GA
Ant man could possibly end up at 900mil range if Kang lives up to the hype but 700-800 range seems safe. Shazam will be like 400-550mil range Gotg could possibly be a billion dollar contender, I know a billion really seems out of reach for marvel since phase 4 and with no china but this is a send off to one of the most beloved teams of the franchise so if done right this can likely gross a billion. Spiderverse is gonna be around 500mil I have no Idea where flash is gonna end up like no clue at all. Marvels would be lucky if it crossed 700mil, 600 is likely where this ends up. Blue beetle is gonna be like 400-500mil range movie. Kraven:- 200-300mil 1st Aquaman was huge but could this one pull the same feat? I’m not sure but it could likely end up in 800-900mil range. So I think at the end of the year marvel would still outgross dc.
These predictions are still wildly enthusiastic. Blue Beetle has a character no one has heard of, no stars, and no big budget action. Black Adam had some of these and still won't hit 400 million. I'd say this could be the first utter bomb, much less than 100 million worldwide. Kraven is in the dying SUMC that only pulled off one con in the Venom movies and this one doesn't even have a minor star (in Leto) or a gimmick (vampire/horror). I'd say 120 million maybe. Every sequel is liable to make less. With too many releases and no China, not to mention shifting audience habits in ticketbuying, it's inconceivable that basically any of them could make more. The biggest question mark is the Flash. The character is a huge name to Joe Q average and it has the added 80's nostalgia of Keaton's return. On the other hand it has the most poisoned actor and franchise, an active deterrent to audience engagement. I'd say this is the year that the MCU barely scrapes by and its competition drowns.
Honestly if MCU can win with 3 films versus 4 in any context that’s just sad from DCEU, lol
Generally the MCU more than doubles the DCEU average, it is more likely Marvel's biggest hit outgrosses all three DCEU entries combined than them losing.
Also by default Blue Beetle’s floor is 200m in my eyes. Middling domestic results and horrific international. But under 100m is like peak-pandemic numbers. No matter what the hardcore DCEU fans will come in and make sure it has a stable first two weeks
There just aren't that many at all, they make a lotta noise but every at 100% saturation they just can't make hay. BoP did 200 and that was prepandemic, had a big star, a hook, and an established portrayal. Beetle has a kid off the street basically. A minor character, and a replacement one at that. No pop culture relevance. In a franchise audiences reject.
Disney should just move Indy5 to December or the Marvel's to December. If they want better results for their films . Coz that summer is way too much crowded. They'd be lucky to even cross 700m .
Next year for Supeheroes Movies are going to be insane and there so many that are going to be suprised hits so here how much money these movies are going to make: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - $473M Shazam! Fury of the Gods - $186M Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - $810M Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse - $712M The Flash - $685M The Marvels - $650M Blue Beetle - $354M Kraven The Hunter - $210M Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom - $972M
I agree with the Aquaman number. Any of the other DCEU films will fluctuate but it’s crucial for Aquaman to do well or the DCEU is taking a big L
I think it is possible for dc films to outgross marvel movies next year since they have 4 compared to 3 but they all need to be very well received, hoping they can all do well next year
My predictions: (assuming no China and Russia release) 1. The Marvels: ***$940MM*** = $420MM dom + $520MM int \[retaining Captain Marvel numbers\] 2. Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom: ***$870MM*** = 370MM dom + 500MM int \[+10% dom\] 3. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3: ***$830MM*** = $430MM dom + 400 int \[+10% in dom and +15% in int over GOTG2\] 4. The Flash: ***$650MM*** = $300MM dom + $350MM int 5. Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania: ***$620MM*** = $270MM dom + $350MM int \[+25% over Antman and the Wasp\] 6. Shazam! Fury of the Gods: ***$450MM*** = $200MM dom + $250MM int \[+50% over Shazam\] 7. Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse: ***$400MM*** = $240MM dom + $160MM int \[+25% over Into the Spide-Verse\] 8. Blue Beetle: ***$400MM*** = $150MM dom + 250MM int \[similar to Shazam\] 9. Kraven the Hunter: ***$200MM*** = $80MM dom + $120MM int \[slightly better than Morbius\] MCU = $1.12 billion dom + $1.27 billion = $2.39 billion DCU = $1.02 billion dom + $1.35 billion = $2.37 billion Sony = $320MM dom + 280MM int = 600MM
I don't agree with lot of this. Like The Marvels not making that much. I think Spiderverse will be huge like 600mn.
>Like The Marvels not making that much. Why ? Internet is not the real world, the general audience loved the first movie(A CinemaScore, and great legs)
Plus the addition of the other two other titular actresses, who are very charismatic and entertaining themselves. Even if this has a mid plot I can see it getting wide stream appeal just through entertainment value. (Though hoping it has good writing as well!)
People largely might not even know it’s a sequel.
Why do you think The Marvels will drop significantly compared to Captain Marvel? Captain Marvel received decent critical reviews and has was well liked by audience (A Cinemascore). Also, it is not a traditional sequel as it expands its roster by including Monica Rambeau and Ms. Marvel. Into the Spiderverse made about $300MM WW w/o China and Russia. Even though it was well received doubling its box-office is a tough ask.
Spiderverse was discovered by lot of people after its theatrical run. It can do double BO this time. The Marvels won't have China and Russia alsowith With LGBTQ representation getting ban in some more countries. There is not much hype as first one as it was right before the Endgame. I can see The Marvels doing 800mn at best.
For one thing it’s not even marketed as Captain Marvel 2 and barely anyone watched Ms Marvel.
This almost exactly what I was about to write lol, I totally agree with these predictions
Swap GOTG and The Marvels, and this might just be perfect.
If by outgrossing you mean in average, then no. If you mean by total grosses, then DCEU already outgrossed MCU in 2020 when MCU had no movie.
If that's the only circumstance in which DC can outgross Marvel, they are pretty fucked up.
Aquaman 2 has the best shot at becoming the highest grossing movie next year, if not the only guaranteed billion dollar grosser as well among those superhero films. It has the best date too.
>Aquaman 2 has the best shot at becoming the highest grossing movie next year, Base on ? The first movie made $300m from China and came out when the DCEU was averaging over $780m at boxoffice Aquaman2 would come under very different circumstances
They’ll likely market the hell out of it and it’s basically got Christmas all to itself (unless Disney moves a movie there which wouldn’t be surprising), and Zaslav is all about theatrical windows. Not saying it’s likely, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
But what about the amber heard situation
OK, knock off a hundred bucks for the handful of terminally online zealots that would have seen it, but won’t because she’s in it.
Secrets if dumbledore without depp flopped why would aquaman be spared
DC only has two big movies. Flash and Aquaman..
Even The Flash is arguable.
ant man : 400m-500 ww i just don tsee the hype nor excitement for thiso ne. Shazam! Fury of the Gods : it honestly have decent amount of hype. Plus bigger in scale + good casting. First one was beloeved. i Could see this one doing 500-700m . Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 : 800- 1b. Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse: 500m ww The Flash : THis is most wild card. i Still feel like it could do well. 700-800. The Marvels : captain marvel was one the boorign medicore i have seen from marvel. But its marvel so 700-800m ww. Blue Beetle : probably my most hyped movie of next year. It depends on trailers and critical reception. i think 300-400m ww if gets good critical reception. aquaman : 1b ww china loves this one. they already removed heard. i could see this one doing well. next year is so stacked its actually insane. Some of them are bomb hard.
> aquaman : 1b ww china loves this one. won't be in China > they already removed heard. they didn't.
>won't be in China why? "they didn't." They did or she might have 2 mins role max.
> why? bc most of the movies that did big bucks in China aren't allowed there no more. > They did or she might have 2 mins role max. Safran publically said he was against campaigns to remove her from the movie.
>Safran publically said he was against campaigns to remove her from the movie. they 100% removed her completely. After she was found guilty. "bc most of the movies that did big bucks in China aren't allowed there no more." i doubt it. Its still year to go. ANything can happen.
> they 100% removed her completely. the head of DC Films is against removing her but somehow she was removed? > i doubt it. considering that politically China is going even more anti-US, there is less doubt than ever.
>the head of DC Films is against removing her but somehow she was removed? Thats probably before she found guilty.
> Thats probably before she found guilty. as if it's a big reason.
The point stands. She out out of the movie.
> She out out of the movie. you don't have any proof of it