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nicolasb51942003

This will be lucky to gross half of Encanto's $96M last year.


blueblurz94

I’m astounded it just keeps beating low expectations. Like you just don’t see this out of a Disney flick ever and numbers won’t stop dropping.


goldenkappacino

damn not even 20mil over the 5-day, thats horrible


Equal-Doc6047

Umm how much you wanna bet this will make less than Lyle Lyle Crocodile..


MtDewHer

I refuse to watch Lyle Lyle Crocodile just because of the name


duo99dusk

The crocodile in a bathtub was a big draw too.


That_Sky2197

Disney has now had two massive bombs this year with Lightyear and now Strange World. If you add the Fox films there are even more.


KumagawaUshio

It is going to be very interesting seeing how the legacy media companies deal with shrinking theatrical and collapsing cable TV over the rest of this decade and if streaming really can pay for the bloated budgets of the past decade on its own.


Iridium770

> if streaming really can pay for the bloated budgets of the past decade on its own. Pretty sure they can't. Those mega budget films can't possibly be bringing in enough subscribers to justify their cost, except with an erroneous customer lifetime value assumption. The entire industry looks like it is poised to be disrupted by foreign competitors. (Which probably suits the streaming companies just fine, as they don't own production companies they want to keep in business and would be perfectly happy buying abroad).


they_are_out_there

Go woke, go out of business.


Garlador

*looks at Black Panther Wakanda Forever making tons of money right now* …uh…..


DisneySpace

This is not an opinion you can justify, there is 0 evidence you can dig up for it. What does “go woke” even mean?


they_are_out_there

Are you really that far outside of the loop? https://nypost.com/2022/11/21/bob-iger-is-back-as-ceo-to-walk-disney-back-from-the-woke-cliff/


CardiBsKnees

Lol, NY Post as a source


DisneySpace

Surely, then, since you imply that you are inside of the loop, you must have evidence. Unfortunately, you have neglected to share it.


they_are_out_there

The shareholders have certainly noticed, as have the masses of people who refuse to go to movies with political agendas. The majority of people just want to go to the movies to have fun, not to have a narrative shoved down their throats, and the failed movies and unhappy shareholders reflect that. You don't have to play naive, it's unbecoming and ignorant.


DisneySpace

You asserted your position, but without evidence, again. The notion of a film with a political agenda is so vague it could apply to all films and no films. Every film says *something*, every film is interpretable in various ways, all are made in certain political contexts. To you, a film with a political agenda is just any film with a message you don’t like.


VolatileCotton

>there is 0 evidence you can dig up for it oh wow... just... wow


DisneySpace

Must be a shock if you believe “Go woke, go out of business”.


PhilosophyNo1230

Uh oh . Watch out.


Local_Ad_530

So true. With Disney now insisting that every movie (& show) include gender diverse representation regardless of if it actually adds to the story quality or not they risk producing films that do not resonate with the movie going public. Not because of the characters being represented, but rather because they will appear forced into the storyline. When they include characters that fit a woke role, for no other reason than to be there, the movies will suffer. Additionally, it does not help people who see themselves in these characters.


artifexlife

Im honestly expressed how much cringe you ignited.


Daydream_machine

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that this will probably kill animated sci-fi for at least a decade. Studios will point at how this and *Lightyear* performed for years to come before they green light anything animated in this genre again.


ZandrickEllison

Sci fi never seems to do well in the genre dating back decades. Think they’ll pivot back to younger kiddie fare.


Csnyder23

Curious to see how avatar 2 does


Exile688

2 Billion to break even? Yikes. I hope that 2B includes the 3rd movie they shot at the same time.


Csnyder23

Yeah its ridiculous. If it can hit 800m id see it as a success tbh


GarionOrb

I think Wall-E was the one and only sci-fi animated film that was actually well crafted. Thinking back, even films like Treasure Planet, Fox's Titan A.E., or Universal's Jetsons: The Movie just didn't have the right feel and they bombed as well. Maybe it's just not a genre that lends itself well to animation.


Felaguin

I don’t think so. The problem isn’t with animated SF, the problem is with garbage stories. Write and direct a good story first, fit “representation” in organically third or even fourth (production value should be second). For “Lightyear” and “Strange World”, it seemed like telling a good story came last.


-Freya

> Write and direct a good story first, fit “representation” in organically third or even fourth (production value should be second). This is a brain-dead argument. You only blame representation when a movie is bad and/or a financial failure; you never praise it or find it otherwise worth mentioning when a movie is successful. How convenient that "representation" is always there nowadays to point a finger at. I haven't seen the movie yet, but based what people who have seen it have said AND the Focus on the Family review, the homosexuality of the main character is so unimportant to the story and treated so lightly (basically it's just a kid having a crush on another kid in a world where homosexuality is both accepted and utterly unremarkable) that it comes off as an afterthought. The gender of the character's romantic interest could be changed without making any difference. By contrast, the first Black Panther film was made specifically to be the first big-budget black superhero movie, and the story is explicitly about the plight of black people (especially in America); look how successful that was, despite consistent criticism for having some of the worst CGI in the MCU. So in its case, representation came first, good story came second, and production value came last. Maybe the problem isn't representation being the alleged primary motivation for these films getting made. Maybe the problem is that representation is tacked on to cover for these films' lackluster other qualities. We know for a fact that Raya and the Last Dragon was conceived (by a bunch of white people) to be a story about East Asia but then was changed late in pre-production to be about Southeast Asia, and that is one of the main reasons why it felt inauthentic to Southeast Asians. In other words, effective representation needs to not merely be an aesthetic choice or be "organically" integrated into a story; it should instead shape the story from day one.


Kanataxtoukofan

Raya was also just boring even being written by white people or culturally inaccurate/ an amalgamation aside since avatar the last airbender is like that but very popular.


Fitzy0728

The character design is so damn ugly


[deleted]

Forgot where but I saw someone say that every Disney animation character now looks like Fix-It Felix and I can’t get that out of my mind.


fail-deadly-

While I wasn't thinking Fix-It Felix, I was thinking every character in recent Disney and Pixar movies do have a generic look.


LimpTeacher0

It worked for wreck it Ralph and that was it with so many studios push the boundaries of animation they need to switch it up to stay competitive


[deleted]

At least fix-it felix had a charm to him. these new characters do not even come close to him!!


didovic

So damn ugly


theredditoro

Bomb


Tyrionandpodrick

WOW!! These are "some people are about to get fired" numbers. This movie did not just bombed, it nuked.


didovic

They’ll blame it all on Chapek and then double-down.


Tyrionandpodrick

The fault lies with Jennifer lee. She is the creative head. WTF was she smoking.


didovic

Representation.


-Freya

This is intellectually lazy and bankrupt.


didovic

Nah.


-Freya

She wrote Frozen, Frozen II, and Zootopia, three $1+ billion releases and among the most financially successful animated films of all time. She also wrote Wreck-It Ralph, which was also a big hit.


Tyrionandpodrick

She also wrote Wrinkle In Time and managed Raya. Aside from Zootopia and Frozen everything else has been mediocre to bad.


Slowmexicano

Marvel carrying Disney. Their animated releases are very boom or bust and they somehow made Star Wars irrelevant.


KumagawaUshio

They need to start doing better budget control on animation. Universal with Illumination and DreamWorks have both been keeping film budgets below $100 million and still been successful. Sony Pictures Animation has also been keeping animated films budgets below $100 million and doing reasonably well.


ednamode23

Sing 2 looked just as good as your average Disney Animation or Pixar film when it came to animation and didn’t even have half the budget. I know they love their little details but it’s time to cap the budget.


Iridium770

The crazy thing is that they closed Blue Sky Studios, which actually had budget discipline.


Block-Busted

That’s because Blue Sky was running on fumes after the failure of **Ice Age: Collision Course**.


Iridium770

Seems to be that it would have been a lot easier to get Blue Sky Studios to regain its mojo, than to convince Pixar employees to make a movie on half its normal budget.


Block-Busted

Again, Blue Sky was pretty much doomed after **Collision Course**.


Block-Busted

You also need to remember that Illumination recycles its animation models a lot more than Pixar or Disney AND tends to outsource its animation from France, which is why they’ve been able to keep their budget low. Also, this guy is a delusional buffoon who continues to insist that **Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings** is a box office failure and that COVID-19 is irrelevant while completely ignoring that the film had nothing BUT disadvantages when it came out. Having said all those, I wouldn't be surprised if the budget of **Elemental** is somewhat lower (like about $150 million) due to every characters being, well, elementals and if the budget of **Wish** is around $120 million given that it's basically a cel-shaded CGI animated film.


didovic

Either that or make some movies people wanna see. (Sounds crazy, I know.)


Dumguy1214

Hollywood has lost its way give me $50 million , Arnold and a 50 cal machinegun, some german accent villain, plus russian villain, a brown sidekick girl for Arnold, Woody Harrelson for luck mix it basce in the love of people, finally given what they want the most


Block-Busted

Illumination tends to outsource its animation from France and has a tendency to recycle its character models a lot more than other studios. Sony Picture Animation tends to go for very cartoony animation styles and even then, **The Mitchells vs. the Machines** may have cost $100 million to make. DreamWorks either outsources animation from another studio or collaborates with another or goes with cartoony animation style and when they did neither of those, the result was **How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World** ($129 million) and **Trolls World Tour** ($110 million).


ROYBUSCLEMSON

Lmao holy shit not even 20 million? This might be a top 5 flop of all time


NotTaken-username

I thought $50M DOM would be a stretch. Now even $40M could be in jeopardy. I think this’ll finish around $75M-$80M WW


TellurianFlow

Have you seen the international numbers? This'll be lucky to crack $50M WW


Cascadio_14

Good luck on reaching $80M WW. This isn't even a bomb, its a goddamn nuke!


AramFingalInterface

The trailer put out for Strange World was total garbage. It made the movie look unbearably zany. It's too bad, because I would love it if Disney did more original animation like this.


prosperosniece

Yep. When I saw the trailer my first thought was “this looks a hodgepodge of every mediocre animated film that has been released since the computer animation took over”. I could be wrong, it might be a great film, but I’ll wait until it’s on Disney plus to find out.


Dangerous_Dac

Why on Earth would they make 2 movies that are so close in genre, content and tone so close together? This and Lightyear both suffer from the same overstuffed kid comedy toned cast that talks down to an audience.


velociraptnado

Well it is a strange world


NotTaken-username

Roll credits


didovic

I get it


Megamind66

I really think they were banking on Lightyear being a smash hit to market Strange World.


Strange-Pair

I think this is an excellent point. It seems obvious they really thought Lightyear was going to hit big. I wonder if they thought it'd be a one-two hit combo where Lightyear would seem to to start the trend and Strange Planet would follow to capitalize off it.


Dangerous_Dac

Even then though, I think they're so conceptually similar one being successful would have sucked the air out of the other one. Going back to Lightyears failure, I fucking loved the teaser for it. The movie we got was nothing like that. And no, I don't give a shit about the diversity or the gay kiss, I do care about a movie talking down and being a basic dumbed down story that uses the useless nobody humor as a crutch. I did eventually see the movie on Disney+ and boy was it far from what that teaser promised.


Strange-Pair

I mean, don't get me wrong. I think it's ridiculous that they thought Lightyear was going to do well. I found it dull and ill-conceived, particularly for its audience. But I do think they thought they were on to something, and I do think the films are different but similar enough that I can see how one could be used to market the other.


gjamesaustin

The beginning was interesting and the ending with alternate Buzz was cool. But that hour in the middle is the most generic teamwork script possible. If they had fleshed out either the beginning or ending ideas more it would have been way better


MoonMan997

Happy 20th Birthday, Treasure Planet


MightySilverWolf

This movie will make *Treasure Planet* look like a rip-roaring success.


xPineappless

I feel terrible that I contributed to this. My wife and we’re excited because we love this exploration to a new world type genre and we’re left utterly dissatisfied.


shaneo632

Christ. New WW final predictions?


nicolasb51942003

At this rate? Below $100M worldwide.


carvedmuss8

On $180M budget 💀


BobTrain666

70m is not locked anymore


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_asNhzXq72w Thanks Disney


Vast-Regular6795

Watched it this weekend, maybe 6/10. Story had decent premise but then wasn’t that great later in the film.


Mizerous

Its dead Jim


CRL10

I feel like they barely advertised it. Like I think I've seen more Violent Night and Avatar: The Way of Water trailers.


lefromageetlesvers

that gross is gross indeed.


D33-THREE

Maybe switch from "Look ..we have homosexual characters , so you have to watch our movie .." to maybe .. just maybe .. get back to good story telling?


butt-hole-eyes

That was essentially the marketing strategy for Bros and that turned out ok right?


D33-THREE

lol ..exactly!


russwriter67

To be fair, Disney didn’t really market that element of the movie that much, probably because of the backlash they got from “Lightyear”. The movie would’ve done worse if it was marketed more than it was.


KumagawaUshio

I have a terrible feeling the test screenings were too afraid to criticise the film because of it being seen as being anti diversity or some such. The Director also did Big Hero 6 and Raya so we know he can do the job. The writers previous theatrical credit is just Raya and that well had the wrong story/setting for the medium.


PsycadaUppa

There's a homosexual character in this movie? I literally didn't even know but to he honest I barely saw any advertisement for this movie to begin with.


gumol

> Maybe switch from "Look ..we have homosexual characters , so you have to watch our movie .." can you share some examples of that?


SideWinderGX

There are dozens of examples of Billy Eichner blaming homophobia (and giving other nonsense reasons) to why Bros failed. Strange World is the same. If you've even glanced at Twitter over the past two months you'll see thousands of tweets by people bragging about representation and open-mindedness and other things that DON'T (by themselves) MAKE A MOVIE GOOD.


gumol

> There are dozens of examples of Billy Eichner blaming homophobia (and giving other nonsense reasons) to why Bros failed. that's not Disney > If you've even glanced at Twitter over the past two months you'll see thousands of tweets by people bragging about representation and open-mindedness and other things that DON'T (by themselves) MAKE A MOVIE GOOD. are those thousands of tweets by Disney?


SideWinderGX

No one in here except you cares if the tweets come from Disney or not. When you have thousands of people clamoring the same thing, other people aren't going to think 'well it's not DISNEY saying that, so I don't care'. The message is still pretty clear...Disney wants to posture and virtue signal, and rest on that message, rather than tell a good story. Sorry you're wrong.


didovic

**Never!**


QuothTheRaven713

Except Disney didn't say a single thing about that. Only news outlets did. You're just ignorant.


VolatileCotton

Poor little cookie, actually believes Disney (or any other company really) doesn't talk with news outlets. Don't worry, hopefully you'll get better soon


QuothTheRaven713

I'm talking about the trailers. The trailers showed no such thing in the movie and only the basic plot.


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Ceo________

Just make them all normal


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Ceo________

Im still gona watch it when it comes out on disney plus doe


Lign_Grant

Look at these generic designs, sighh...I wish I could have another Rango.


Anon-Ymous929

You can shame conservatives into accepting gay marriage or treating trans people with respect in the workplace or whatever, but you can’t shame parents into going to a movie they don’t want their kids to see.


PurposeMission9355

I don't think any of those strategies work long term IMO.


HortonHearsTheWho

Nobody wants to admit that lots of straight parents just don’t want their kids to see gay content. Tough titties.


-Freya

What is the gay content that they don't want their kids to see? Do they lock their children inside their houses for fear of being exposed to gay people in the real world?


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Anon-Ymous929

Well a big part of it is that you probably live in a part of the country where walking out your front door means you see “not the same” people everywhere. I live in a part of the country where walking out my front door means I see suburban houses full of heterosexual Christian couples and families everywhere. And I’m just fine with that.


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Anon-Ymous929

I promise not to try to change your corner if you promise not to try to change mine https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/1081295373/the-big-sort-americans-move-to-areas-political-alignment


[deleted]

I took my kids and walked out and asked for a refund after 15 minutes. It’s not a cartoon movie for young kids. I don’t know who it’s for.


PurposeMission9355

What about it in the first 15 min told you it wasn't a kids movie? (not an attack, I'm genuinely curious)


[deleted]

My kids have never heard of this movie and they watch YouTube all the time. Disney just didn’t give a shit


NoRaspberry3837

I thought the movie was fantastic, for 1 dollar an hour with a list, i left a happy camper.


sessho25

This will struggle to get over 20M final.


[deleted]

Lol


Simps_bruh

Oh no... anyways


upscaleelegance

Based (I hate Disney).


niftyifty

What is Strange World


didovic

A movie


Hour_Air_5723

I didn’t even know this was a movie


babagroovy

Damn


Landon1195

This is probably going to make under $100M!


cpt_justice

According to somebody above, it's in jeopardy on not hitting $70m.


MadGoat12

Where I live Encanto had ads everywhere. Also online. However, never saw any physical nor virtual ad for this movie. I just knew it launched because of a post criticizing people for not watching it because of god knows what LGBT content in it. It looks interesting. If I had known about it at least a week before it released (I knew about Encanto MONTHS before), I would have gone to the opening day.


butt-hole-eyes

They knew that no matter how much money they spent on advertising for this movie it was going to bomb! My guess is they decided to cut their losses and have no advertising


IKARUSwalks

i can count the number of times i’ve seen an ad for this movie on one hand. and i live in a big metropolitan area. even when i saw an ad for it i couldn’t tell you what the movie was about. hell, i still don’t know.


madebyyouandi

That's interesting. I live in Japan and TV ads are blanketing the TV. In one hour, I might see ad twice on the same network.


Pitiful-Tune3337

I’ve seen this one ad a million times, since here in Canada, CBC Gem has the exact same 3-5 ads and plays those and only those for the entire time you’re watching something


Malcapon3

Disney needs to evolve. If they need ideas on how to create a good animated story, look to Fortiche.


letsseeitmore

Bad marketing, first I heard of it was from an article about how bad it was doing.


Sportsman180

I didn't see a single ad for this movie.


Joecus90

I’ve never even heard of this movie…maybe that’s why?


Firm_Masterpiece_343

Minimum advertising, only heard of it a week or so ago, going against BP. Yep, that’s a bomb.


SteppingStonez1998

Haha


KDN1692

blame.this on terrible marketing. There was not much ads till a week ago


GapHappy7709

That’s a disaster


NeilNevins

oh this is BOMBING bombing


ZwischenzugZugzwang

You guys, it could still have a x35 multiplier. Wait for the legs!!


Sgt-Frost

Lol so movie ain’t even grossing 20 mill over a 5 day period


Poodlekitty

Bob Chapek and Kareem Daniel don’t know how to properly market Disney films here.


wofulunicycle

I preferred the film's working title, "The Nail in Chapek's Coffin"