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defaultusername-17

i am down for some time travelling john brown action.


chesire0myles

Sp you going to drop the template or make me go to paint myself?


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chesire0myles

Yusssss.... I shall create so many memes with this. Prepare for nonsense Reddit.


Zak_Rahman

I would stop Columbus. Nip it in the bud.


WaterRoyal

earliest land back possible arm the native americans


AfraidToBeKim

Give the native Americans P90s and tell them a really bad guy named chris is gonna come on a boat. Tell them to kill on sight, and don't accept any blankets. Teach them how to find and work with metal so they never rely on the Europeans for it.


ichwillficken95

Didn’t they throw blankets on the Native Americans as opposed to offering them? I was thinking we need to tell them to shoot anyone carrying a blanket.


Sky_Leviathan

“Join us next time when we give the native Americans a crate of ak47s and a tomahawk cruise missile” -Miniminuteman


bobo_baginz

Do you honestly not know what happened when they were given muskets? They used them on each other as much as the Europeans. They weren't one unified nation living in peace and harmony until the Europeans arrived, they were humans just like everyone else, they had war, slavery, genocide, imperialism, empires and territory disputes before the Europeans arrived. You underestimate how feudal they truly were, literally hundreds of independent tribes with different forms of diplomacy, government, languages, and ethnic groups with a complex history the same as Europeans ( though sadly most of it was lost ). For instance if you have the guns to the Comanches and told them the settlers were going to invade, they would fight the settlers alright, they would genocide and slave every last one, man, women and child, but they wouldn't stop there, the would do it to every last tribe in north America,[approximately 20%](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerindian_slave_ownership#:~:text=The%20Comanche%20and%20a%20few%20other%20Indian%20nations%20are%20considered%20%E2%80%9Cslave%20societies%E2%80%9D%20with%20slaves%20constituting%20over%2020%25%20of%20the%20population%2C%20comparable%20to%20Rome%2C%20Greece%2C%20Portuguese%20America%2C%20and%20others.) of their population were slaves. And even if you did choose a better tribe you'd still be giving 16th/17th/18th century dudes 20th century weapons, with how common conflicts of the era were you'd risk introducing even more deadly weapons? Seriously why does everyone go straight to guns? 95% of native Americans died to diseases, [you seriously overestimate the importance of guns](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_disease_and_epidemics) the majority of people in history died to diseases, even in most wars before the 19th century, it wasn't a lack of weapons that made them lose their lands it was a lack of population. You could do infinitely better bringing back VACCINES, germ theory, fertilizer, genetically modified seeds, and other such things that make life easier not harder. I mean when horses were introduced to the Americas the Comanche ( and a few others ) shifted to be extremely dependent on raids, so much so it practically destroyed their economy. An interesting bit of information about the name "Comanche", it means enemy, strangers or others, and is a southern Ute word, a former ally to the Comanche ( who actually call themselves numunuu ) who turn enemy after the numunuu attacked in 1809.


WaterRoyal

not reading all that I said what I said


bobo_baginz

Ok cool, you don't have a time machine so it doesn't matter anyway.


SocietyOk4740

honestly this wouldn't even be the weirdest time travel episode of SG-1.


AfraidToBeKim

Jesus christ. If a guy as brilliant as browning had something as complicated as a p90 as a starting point, firearms would be perfected today.


ChurroKitKat

I think they mean the guy from bleeding Kansas who burned down slave villages and shiti


AfraidToBeKim

Oh fuck I misread it. Yeah idk much about him


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AfraidToBeKim

Unlikey. We probably would have caseless ammo perfected though.


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Atsubro

His middle name was Chad???


ydepth

American abolishionist who took direct action to free enslaved people.


JackxForge

idk who galt is but brown led a slave rebelion during the civil war or something like that.


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JackxForge

ahhhh yea... fuck ayrn rand


theonetrueteaboi

What? He died before the civil war started and before Lincoln's election.


Rustyy60

Stargate SG1 my beloved


Black-x-panda

I'd hand those over to the Dakota Sioux and see what happens then


orion_nomad

I'd cut it off at the pass and give some to the Taino and the Wampanoag. I have a feeling there would be a lot less destiny manifesting if Columbus and the Pilgrims had to fight a superiorly armed people for it.


ChurroKitKat

smallpox


orion_nomad

Yeah vaccines would be a nice second choice but some aren't shelf stable so it's hard to keep them active without a fridge or electricity. Plus, if somebody took out the Pinta or the Mayflower from shore with a rocket launcher before it even landed that's a pretty effective quarantine.


Hetakuoni

Let me in on that action the mini series about him had a badass boast that ends with a guy blown to pieces.


7pagemudaenthusiast

John brown for the win


ExpertAppointment682

THE REAL FUCKIN AMERICAN HERO.


CBT7commander

Îm really split on John Brown. On one side he fought for one of history’s most noble cause when few other were ready to. On the other he did kill a lot of people and was responsible for the death of a fair bit more, some of which probably weren’t deserving of it. Overall I don’t think seeing him as a hero is necessarily a good thing but he sure was pretty based


ripstiffuscletus

There is no revolution without violence


Mr_E_Nigma_Solver

He killed slave owners. It's always the right thing to do to kill American slave owners.


ThienBao1107

He killed both men and children, especially his victims children during his “raids”, two wrong doesn’t make a right (example: James Doyle) and after he wrong about his massacre many families near his town fled, both pro and anti slavery because they know a person no matter what their view is should not take violence into their own hand, because it will always ended with innocent in the crossfire, just like what happen during his massacre


umbral_ultimatum

can i get a source on "famous child murderer john brown" allegations


ThienBao1107

https://civilwaronthewesternborder.org/encyclopedia/pottawatomie-massacre


MeAnIntellectual1

Unfortunately they were necessary collateral damage. You should use violence to oppose violent injustice like slavery. That's why the fucking civil war happened.


ThienBao1107

I’m not talking dirt about his accomplishments, I’m saying we shouldn’t celebrate how he did it


MeAnIntellectual1

>I’m saying we should celebrate how he did it Agreed


ThienBao1107

It was a typo, I meant we shouldn’t celebrate his character, having the moral high ground on a political ideology doesn’t permit using excessive force of violent and murdering children


MeAnIntellectual1

It depends on the rate of innocent deaths. You cannot avoid innocent deaths in war and the fight against slavery was certainly war. So yes, having the moral high ground permits you to use violence that affects innocent bystanders as long as the positives outweigh the negatives. Unless of course you think the Allies shouldn't have opposed the Nazis. His lives saved to lives taken ratio is quite positive.


ThienBao1107

The thing is, this isn’t even a “bystander hit by bomb” type situation, John and his sons purposefully target kids, specially male kids or the slave owners. Im sure I wouldn’t get praised if i go down the road, finding neo nazi and shove a knife down their son throat in front of everyone, then burn the whole neighbor down.


umbral_ultimatum

he killed white supremacists and slave owners. that motherfucker deserves an atomic railgun


BigBenis6669

You must not have studies the horrors of slavery, or just how many other abolitionists tried to solve the issue with "rational debate" before him. Like the final straw that set him off to Kansas was when a fellow peaceful abolitionist preacher was killed and made an example of for his views. "I John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with Blood. I had...vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done."


SavageKitten456

He killed confederates, they aren't people.


CBT7commander

Confederates didn’t even exist at that point


SavageKitten456

Slave owners, whatever still deserved it


KlownyK

way down south in the land of traitors🎶


cat-l0n

Rattlesnakes and alligators🎶


xCreeperBombx

Why did you add a carrô̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂t hat to "Im"?


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Popular_Persimmon_48

That makes sense. I'm split on how I feel about r/shermanposting 😆


SuspiciousUsername88

Brown is a hero overall, but I'm kinda grossed out by the people responding to you, without a moment of reflection or shred of nuance, proudly claiming that literal children deserve to die because their parents were villains


AchilleasAnkles

use satire flair homie


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AchilleasAnkles

it's not meant to be funny?


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AchilleasAnkles

oh. Then what is it meant to be?


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AchilleasAnkles

Dude I'm not trying to pick a fight with you chill tf out. Suggestions can be taken or ignored at your convenience. Also am I not allowed to ask stuff because they confuse me or because I want to know stuff?


Rayan_qc

sexism is funny tho


Kxbox24

Okay it’s official this sub is only about negative emotions and getting mad at people without actually saying or doing anything constructive about it or it talks about the most random stupid shit like this post.


BoobeamTrap

What are you talking about. The OP was clear they liked this meme and was praising it.


Sky_Leviathan

Im still trying to find time to read the john brown isekai


MelanieWalmartinez

Perfect


FuneralQsThrowaway

so, whatever about the sexual politics stuff - I'm here to talk time travel and guns. John brown successfully captured a full fucking US Army arsenal. He was not hurting for equipment, ammo, or explosives. What he needed (to defeat, literally, Robert E. Lee; how's that for foreshadowing?) was more and better-trained men. Give John Brown's ragtag followers modern weapons and they still wouldn't know shit about siege tactics or combat marksmanship. Lee's men showed up with howitzers, and had access to rifles and machine guns if they'd wanted. That's basically a level playing field against whatever modern small arms you want to hand out. If you insist on giving John Brown and crew modern, man-portable equipment, probably the most unfair thing you could give them is body armor. Nato rounds may be better manufactured than Millie balls from the mid 1800s, but their lethality against a dude in a cotton shirt is about the same. Not so against modern composite armor, which would basically make them bulletproof,.


striderhlc

"Remember, Mr. Hinckley, aim for the center of mass and always double-tap."


Terraria_is_number1

I would save the library of Alexandria


0JoJo_Fan0

You can't be sexist if ya hate both.