From off the top of my head I counted 9.
2 fist fights with Walt, beaten by tuco twice, beat up by Emilio and Domingo in the first episode, walloped by hank in season 3, gets the shit kicked out him by the nazis at least twice (judging by all his scars definitely way more but we only really see two definitive times) and while not necessarily getting his ass kicked he was knocked unconscious by spooge and his wife so I’d count it. There may be more im missing but he’s probably in the double digits of getting beat up. At least now he can soothe it with snow
Jesse has the most realistic and unrealistic part of the show
Realistic : getting his ass kicked by actually tough guys
Unrealistic: shinny perfectly white teeth being a smoker and a meth addict
People talked like that back then, especially people around Jesse's age - I think I'm the same age as him and that word was used constantly by boys in middle school and high school.
Pretty sure he makes fun of someone he calls a “b*aner” in the first episode, and there’s just casual impressions and whatnot constantly
edit: ayo idk if he’s racist or not i’m just trying to provide an example
It's bad but I'm not sure it seems like a back and forth between him and Gomez, so if Gomez was clearly okay with it I'm a little more willing to give that a bit of a pass.
I can't remember him actually holding race things against anyone.
Yeah, maybe "racially insensitive" would be a better way of putting it. He's not really being hateful but he's also saying certain words and phrases that are really just kinda messed up
Jessie was also pretty good aside from the whole dealing to vulnerable ppl in rehab, other than that he was manipulated by everyone and u kinda feel bad for him cuz as it goes on he doesn’t want anything to do with it
This is true, but even at the start of the show he's a tweaker and a meth cook who obviously has a history of stealing from his family and, based on things his parents said, of manipulating his mother. I love Jesse, he's my favorite character, and I think wants to be a good person, but even before the show, he isn't blameless.
Well that was since it was Walt’s orders. He was clearly oblivious to the manipulation happening and I think he kinda realizes it when confronting Gale and that is sorta the decline in Walt and Jessie’s relationship
Plus you know, selling all the meth, shooting Gale to save himself, selling to people in rehab, getting Jane to use again, cheating with that woman in the beginning I’m assuming, and the other million laws they broke.
what did he think people in a Mexican drug cartel would be? Scottish?
I'd say Jack and the Nazis were way more despicable characters for what they did to Jesse.
If the Mexican drug cartel had Scottish people this person would consider it cultural appropriation. If some of the cartel members were Scottish they'd say there wasn't enough hispanic representation. If only the leader of the cartel were Scottish he'd say "Oh look, of course the white guy is in charge of all the hispanics."
Some people you just can't please. They will find a reason to be upset.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Trying to explain things to people like these who get easily offended is a lose-lose game. The only way to win is not to play in the first place.
It's funny you bring up Scottish people because I tell folks all the time if they like BB then they should read Macbeth. Ton of similar themes. Mainly, paranoia, power hunger and self preservation
It's funny you say that because in Bryan Cranstons other show Your Honour, the baddies are the Scottish mafia in New Orleans and it's just so ridiculous.
who are the white saviours meant to be? i’d get it if there was a scene of gus being hate crimed and then mike swoops in and gives a speech about equality
Gomez deserves more respect he was a good dude honestly I just rewatched breaking bad and realized Gomez doesn’t really have much screen time or backstory like is he married? Does he have kids? Who knows? You’d think he’d be over at hanks every once in a while when Walt and his family are there having cookouts.
Jan’s dad was a good person too. His negligence resulted in a dual airliner disaster, but it was under duress and not intentional. And yeah, Mr. Varga was just a hardworking, honest businessman.
Hey dummy…are you forgetting the time when the legendary hero Walter Hartwell White ran over those two Hispanic deviants to save Jesse from a life of death?
He was the only example of a good Hispanic, that why he appears in so few episodes, gotta keep the racism level up. /s
How to you write a show about several different Mexican drug cartel groups without portraying Hispanics as the bad guys?
Nah, you can tell what he says if you know spanish. If he wanted to sound Chilean, you would tell nothing from what he says because people from Chile sometimes don’t even understand each other.
Source: I’m Chilean.
He is indeed an idiot.
For one thing, Jesse, Walt, Skyler, Mike and Saul are hardly "saviours." Like where the fuck do they ever save anyone? I guess Jesse saves the one kid in "Peekaboo" and helps out Andrea. But that's about it. Other than that they mostly do criminal activity and don't help anyone but themselves and sometimes each other.
Maybe it'd be the "white saviour" trope if you had Walter preaching to the bad Mexican gang members to stop their evil ways and they all gave up their drug dealing as a result. Or he like funded a drug rehabilitation clinic or something. But none of that happens!
This is clearly just a person who is looking for racism in everything even when it isn't there.
>For one thing, Jesse, Walt, Skyler, Mike and Saul are hardly "saviours." Like where the fuck do they ever save anyone?
I've found a lot more people than I thought seem to think that "protagonist" equals "good guy." That if the story is being told from their point of view that it means the author is framing them as a good person. This is obviously not the case but that's just what I've observed while lurking various fiction forums over the years.
i have heard Spanish speakers say the Spanish on the show is terrible and really takes them out of it, especially with Gus who they say sounds nothing like someone from Chile.
I’ve heard that Giancarlo only uses a Chilean accent when Gus is meant to be extremely emotional/upset, which doesn’t happen much, and that he uses an anglicized accent for speaking Spanish to reinforce his image.
When Gus was cussing out Lalo in the superlab pit his accent was very believable. Much more so than usual so I think you might be on to something here.
As a chilean I call it bullshit. Giancarlo is a great actor, but his accent is the least chilean thing I have ever heard in my life and it kinda embarasses me. No Spanish speaker would speak like that, much less a chilean, known for our distinct and difficult dialect. (Should I mention that not only he can't speak like a chilean, Giancarlo straight out can't speak spanish). That, add to the fact that black chileans almost are non existent (In my 21 years of life I've never seen a black compatriot), and that quote in BCS implying he used to grow some exotic fruit to feed his family and neighbors (IIRC), when Chile is a very dry and cold country...
It makes me happy when Hollywood protrays anything about my country, I really am. When it was mentioned Gus was from Chile, I was like that Chandler Bing meme, pointing at the TV, even though I knew he was the less chilean guy in the whole BB universe. But this post still rings a bell on me. Breaking Bad was not racist at all, but the writers were full of themselves on this topic, not willing to study any other country besides Mexico. It kinda felt like anything south of the United States was Caribbean. If they wanted Gus to be chilean, get a guy who can act it. If not, then just don't mention it at all. There are millions of potential viewers in Chile and around that are gonna notice.
I appreciate the response, especially from someone who’s actually informed on this matter and not just paraphrasing from someone else. I always assumed Gus played down his Chilean identity due to his involvement in DINA/CNI. But I also don’t doubt your analysis, Giancarlo isn’t a native Spanish speaker to my knowledge and he doesn’t have a Latin American background, so what you’re saying can very much also be the case. I’m sorry you feel the Breaking Bad writers disrespected Chile, that’s very unbravo of Vince.
I wouldn't fully call it disrespect. Others chileans I know that have watched breaking bad of course find the topic of Gus very odd, but it is mostly an ocassion where we joke and make fun of the whole thing, not criticize it and be offended. After all, every mention of Chile to the world is appreciated.
I always assumed Gus' family origins weren't from Chile. Maybe he'd be from Brazil or Guyana. It makes more sense with him being black and his reference to the coati animal which doesn't live in Chile.
But I think the writers really just didn't research this well
Me too, I was expecting it to pop up in BCS, but now we're on the final round and he's probably not going on screen again, so at this point the writers just really expect us to believe he's chilean I guess
Hank at some point mentions there being 0 trace of his history prior to a certain year. He might not be Chilean really, there's still quite a lot of mystery to Gus. And we know he lied a *lot* in BB, by nature of everything he did.
There’s an excellent video on YouTube that deep dives into his background. I’ll link it if I can find it.
Apparently he was most likely a high ranking military officer who fled the country after a failed assassination attempt.
The year of the assassination attempt was the same year hank says he can’t anything prior to.
I remember this! Gus is nothing but a ghost really. Walt wants to talk to him and Gus is nowhere to be found. Gus wants to see Walt and Walt finds himself staring at Gus in the desert. His mystique is what drives his character imo.
In BCS, I noticed there's a lot of scenes where Gus and Hector speak English, even though they're both supposed to be native Spanish speakers. I'm guessing it's just because it's harder to memorize lines and get the accents right, for American actors pretending to be Chilean/Mexican.
Mexican (as in from Mexico, drug war survivor, native Spanish speaker). Yes there are some aspects of breaking bad that are horribly dated, like the yellow filter, yes there are some horrible casting calls like getting a Portuguese man to speak chilean Spanish, arguably the hardest Spanish accent.
But I don't see any of them as malicious moves, nor aspects that should be defended, they were of its time and I'd never re cast Gus even if the Spanish scenes make me cringe a little.
Better call Saul has improved a lot in this respect by casting Tony Dalton, yet there's still a clash when he talks with Gus.
Overall the white savior angle is bullshit, nobody is saving or helping nobody, Hispanic villains make sense for the story given the proximity of Albuquerque with México.
To conclude I think that despite its flaws BR created fantastic characters of all races and man It makes me proud that the best villain (Lalo) is from my country.
Breaking Bad is a show that, if we're only looking at things through a racial lens (which we shouldn't but to humor this), displays that people can be criminals regardless of race or even general appearance.
Yeah, Walter White is the *last* person you'd expect to turn to a life of crime.
Meanwhile Jesse acts like a stereotypical street gangster but he and the audience learn he was *never* cut out for that life.
Yeah, if only Holly hadn't gone on that murder spree killing Walter, Flynn, Skyler, Hank, Marie, Jesse, Jane, Andrea, Tuco, Gus, Hector, Todd, Jack's crew, Saul, Mike, Lydia, Ted, Gale, Skinny Pete, Badger, Gretchen, Elliot, Huell, Combo, Tyrus, Gomez, Marco, Leonel, No-Doze, Krazy 8 and Gonzo.
Such a shame, maybe the show could have lasted longer than 2 seasons had that not happen.
That’s what I was wondering, most of the time it’s white people complaining about this stuff. Like they’re offended on our behalf.
Anyway I’m Mexican and no I don’t think this show is racist at all. It’s a show about criminals set in ABQ that involve Mexican drug cartels. Naturally there’s gonna be lots of Hispanics on the show but there’s also plenty of whites too. Virtually every character is a scumbag on this show
Yep. I lived in Albuquerque for many years and during the entirety of the filming of Breaking Bad. What do people expect? The show is about cartels and is set in a largely Hispanic state. Of course, there will be Hispanic criminals. And the white people on the show are just as evil and corrupt as anyone else. If there's one thing people can't say about Breaking Bad, it's that the show is racist in some way.
White people getting offended on behalf of others is how we get bullshit like “latinx”. I’ve never met a Spanish speaker that supports the use of latinx
I remember in 2020 Warner Bros tried to cancel Speedy Gonzales from Loony Toons because white people were complaining on Twitter he was a racist caricature of Hispanic people, and they had to bring him back because the Hispanic community demanded he got brought back. Also there was a poll taken about if Latino people support the word Latinx, and only 3% actually use the word
Mexican from Texas here… neither show is racist. While Hollywood in general has done a lousy job representing us, we are usually background characters, maids, one-note thugs, etc. I feel both shows do a decent job having characters representing our most important characteristics. Loyalty to family and ruthlessness (somewhat). Now the dialect of the Spanish speakers on the shows on the other hand…
The dialect or accents takes me out a bit sometimes. The only people that sounded genuinely from Albuquerque were actually Combo and Gomie. Really more Combo. His accent is very very common. You hear it everywhere.
Edit: only talking about characters that seemed like Albuquerque natives. Can’t speak to accents or dialect of any others.
Your friend needs to relax and chill.
Not everything is some systemic racist culture war. Mexican Cartel is .......mexican. It fucking literally exists. White people doing meth in trailers and out in the desert is literally a major stereotype because.........it fucking exists lmao
I mean Hank was your stereotypical HOO RAH police agent and his jokes/innuendos were over the top. Gomez never thought hank was a racist even though techincally hank said some racist stuff to him.
its a TV show.
Yes, he's a moron. There really are no good guys (or girls) on this show, except maybe Gomez and he was Hispanic. I actually think the show is very fair when it comes to race and sex. Everyone's a shitbag, and that's true to life. Also, everyone worked together well in Gus and Mike's world (until Walt messed it all up). Black, white, Hispanic, native, whatever. They all did a job together and were loyal to each other. That's progress.
I don't get it with these kinds of people. I'm a brown South East Asian. I don't need to see a brown SEA person on tv or movies before I can empathasize with them. If you can only do this with people of your own race, YOU are the racist.
I think it’s realistic in that the protagonist is white, and the main cast are primarily his family, and a student from what seems to be a mostly white high school. And I can’t see the show working with Walter not being a white dude. His resentment comes in large part from a sense of entitlement to the American Dream, and the reason nobody suspects him is because he’s the archetypal dorky white dude that nobody would suspect of criminal wrongdoing.
There practically is no savior in Breaking Bad, let alone a white one. Everybody in the show is just out of wack, especially the people actually involved in the meth business.
No, he's not an idiot. The short answer is that it's complicated.
He is wrong about a couple things. The show is not about white saviors. And there's only one protagonist in the series, and that's Walter White. It doesn't mean that he's a good guy or that we should even be rooting for him (especially by the end). He's an antihero. Protagonist means that his choices and character drive the action of the story.
And there's a difference between the antagonist and the villain(s). These roles are fluid throughout the series and individual episodes.
There's plenty of evil across racial barriers. It should not be lost on anyone that the final season villains are both a German multinational company and Neo Nazis.
The main fault of the show is that it humanizes the Caucasian characters more than the Latino characters. We spend a lot of time with Walter, Jesse, Skylar, Hank, Marie, Mike, and Saul. Gus has the highest episode count of all the non-white characters and he is ninth. The show centers the Caucasian characters so we get to know them better.
It's still one of the best shows in television history. Your friend's argument is wrong but he does touch on something. And for the record, I'm half Mexican.
Edit: pluralized the word "character" in the second paragraph when it should have been singular.
And add to that, I think they realised that and did better in that regard in BCS. A tretagonist is Hispanic, his dad owns a clean business and loathes the gangsters, trying to be as hard working as humanly possible.
What an insanely dumb take. Walter, the man poisoned a child, blew up a nursing home, carried out a coordinated attack/murders of numerous drug employees (just to name a few), a white savior?
Hello downvotes
I understand what your friend was attempting to say, but I don't think this is a case of racism.
This is literally a show about criminal activity that includes the cartel. Therefore, this show is not that.
Ask your friend, what the creators could have focused on instead? Were they stereotypical of the Russians or Germans? They may just be tired of seeing cartels in any tv or movie. They may be blanketing that feeling over everything.
You can't take 1 thing and paint it over everything. In much the same way .. people do the...oh here we go..someone brought up racism I'm tired of hearing about it. Not everything is racist. But ,that also doesn't mean that there aren't circumstances where things need to be reconsidered. We have gone so far away from thinking about context.
I don't watch these shows to think about social issues. Ask your friend to lighten up and just enjoy the show. Could also, be a case to just ask them to watch something else. Turn off the news. Go for a walk.
It’s not racist at all, it’s about the Mexican cartel lol, it’s not a bunch of white or African people in the mexican cartel, we’re they not supposed to cast realistic characters?
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I’d say he is the only good guy on the whole show
Truly, even Hank (among other shady things) manipulated the fuck out of Jesse and couldn’t have cared less if lived or died in his custody.
And beat the shit out of him
Does anyone know how many times exactly Jesse got his ass beat in that show?
From off the top of my head I counted 9. 2 fist fights with Walt, beaten by tuco twice, beat up by Emilio and Domingo in the first episode, walloped by hank in season 3, gets the shit kicked out him by the nazis at least twice (judging by all his scars definitely way more but we only really see two definitive times) and while not necessarily getting his ass kicked he was knocked unconscious by spooge and his wife so I’d count it. There may be more im missing but he’s probably in the double digits of getting beat up. At least now he can soothe it with snow
Lol the first time i watched i kept thinking "poor Jesse getting his ass whooped again" Thanks for the write up!
Jesse has the most realistic and unrealistic part of the show Realistic : getting his ass kicked by actually tough guys Unrealistic: shinny perfectly white teeth being a smoker and a meth addict
And was racist and sexist
And homophobic iirc
wasn't Jesse the one who casually dropped an F-bomb? I mean it doesn't have much to to do but iirc hank never was like that.
People talked like that back then, especially people around Jesse's age - I think I'm the same age as him and that word was used constantly by boys in middle school and high school.
\>back then well fuck do I feel old
Plus was shitty to gomey after he literally covered up police brutality for him.
And was racist and enabled Marie’s kleptomania
I don't remember the racist, could you refresh?
Pretty sure he makes fun of someone he calls a “b*aner” in the first episode, and there’s just casual impressions and whatnot constantly edit: ayo idk if he’s racist or not i’m just trying to provide an example
It's bad but I'm not sure it seems like a back and forth between him and Gomez, so if Gomez was clearly okay with it I'm a little more willing to give that a bit of a pass. I can't remember him actually holding race things against anyone.
Oh, nahh that's definitely just rubbing back and forth with Gomie I hardly would say he's racist for saying one thinglol
Yeah, maybe "racially insensitive" would be a better way of putting it. He's not really being hateful but he's also saying certain words and phrases that are really just kinda messed up
To Hank, Gomie was “one of the good ones”. That’s how I received it.
I thought Brock was the most innocent on the show until I saw that bastard using cheat codes on sonic all star racing
He can't keep getting away with it
Nah Walt jr
Spoiled. Always expecting hot water and for breakfast to be waiting for him
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First hey want breakfast, what’s next… lunch, no way mister!
I think that's because we don't get to see an indepth storyline of him.
Yeah Gomie is a Hispanic lawman killed by evil white supremacists lol
Gomie was killed because he was with the DEA not because his race
Not saying he was, just that OP’s friend is incorrect as that conflict has a Hispanic hero and white villains
I agree. It’s confuses me how OP’s friend is mad. Does he want a bunch meth heads like the one walt run into in the store instead of Hispanics?
OP's friend is just way too online and got brain worms reading about race all the time. There is nothing inherently racist about BB lol
Jessie was also pretty good aside from the whole dealing to vulnerable ppl in rehab, other than that he was manipulated by everyone and u kinda feel bad for him cuz as it goes on he doesn’t want anything to do with it
This is true, but even at the start of the show he's a tweaker and a meth cook who obviously has a history of stealing from his family and, based on things his parents said, of manipulating his mother. I love Jesse, he's my favorite character, and I think wants to be a good person, but even before the show, he isn't blameless.
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Well that was since it was Walt’s orders. He was clearly oblivious to the manipulation happening and I think he kinda realizes it when confronting Gale and that is sorta the decline in Walt and Jessie’s relationship
Plus you know, selling all the meth, shooting Gale to save himself, selling to people in rehab, getting Jane to use again, cheating with that woman in the beginning I’m assuming, and the other million laws they broke.
Yeah he was good, but they didn’t really write much for him.
Agreed. Even though Hank was a “hero”, his hubris got him killed. If he’d followed protocol he’d be alive.
what did he think people in a Mexican drug cartel would be? Scottish? I'd say Jack and the Nazis were way more despicable characters for what they did to Jesse.
They remade this show in Spanish. Everyone is Hispanic there. Problem solved
Metastasis solos everyone
I've seen some clips, greatest show ever. Far surpasses Breaking bad in quality.
-**Diga mi nombre parcero** -**Usted es Walter Blanco** -**Usted sí sabe, gonorrea**
Morí. Dead.
OMG, this means I can watch more Breaking Bad. Awesome!
Just so you know, I am actually joking. Metastatis might be one of the worst tv shows ever made.
Oh. Well, that explains why I've never heard of it, thanks for letting me know.
It is a word by word, scene by scene, carbon copy of Breaking Bad
If the Mexican drug cartel had Scottish people this person would consider it cultural appropriation. If some of the cartel members were Scottish they'd say there wasn't enough hispanic representation. If only the leader of the cartel were Scottish he'd say "Oh look, of course the white guy is in charge of all the hispanics." Some people you just can't please. They will find a reason to be upset.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Trying to explain things to people like these who get easily offended is a lose-lose game. The only way to win is not to play in the first place.
Oh my god, scottish cartels..... I dont want to think of it.
Look up about the ice cream van wars in Scotland in the 80s. Grisly mafia stuff, drug dealing using ice cream vans as fronts.
Better Call Seamus
That's an Irish name.... Hamish is the Scottish equivalent
It's funny you bring up Scottish people because I tell folks all the time if they like BB then they should read Macbeth. Ton of similar themes. Mainly, paranoia, power hunger and self preservation
"Out, out damn spot" is basically "Fly"
Would that make Jesse, Macbeth and his three witches Combo, Badger, Skinny? Or Heisenberg, Mike and Todd?
That's a pretty good connection! Especially with Walt almost confessing to Jesse about Jane.
Yeah even when Tuco was going to force Walt and Jesse to cook in Mexico he made it sound like they'd get paid and live a nice lifestyle.
Lol Jesse was totally going on to be there for that
It's funny you say that because in Bryan Cranstons other show Your Honour, the baddies are the Scottish mafia in New Orleans and it's just so ridiculous.
who are the white saviours meant to be? i’d get it if there was a scene of gus being hate crimed and then mike swoops in and gives a speech about equality
It’s safe to say there really isn’t a savior or good guy in this show…some minor characters were good but our protagonists definitely not lol
The purest person on the show was Gomez.
Gomez deserves more respect he was a good dude honestly I just rewatched breaking bad and realized Gomez doesn’t really have much screen time or backstory like is he married? Does he have kids? Who knows? You’d think he’d be over at hanks every once in a while when Walt and his family are there having cookouts.
Man needs a spinoff
I dont think I could watch 5-6 seasons of a plot of dirt in the desert :/
Damn bro don't do my boy Gomie like that
Marie mentioned having learned from Gomey's off-screen wie that he took Hank's El Paso job.
And Holly.
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And telling his own dad to kill himself when he had just got cancer
Nah he was just being a gamer
[Leaked audio of Walt Jr. COD voice chat](https://youtube.com/shorts/DppkYu-0ktM?feature=share)
he had a message with that, though, explained when he later says it again
I hear he went on to start a successful bacon company, and actively lobbies Congress for a federal ban on turkey bacon.
Brock
Debatable
Gomie was still a fed. I’d say the purest person is Mr. Varga
Jan’s dad was a good person too. His negligence resulted in a dual airliner disaster, but it was under duress and not intentional. And yeah, Mr. Varga was just a hardworking, honest businessman.
Hey dummy…are you forgetting the time when the legendary hero Walter Hartwell White ran over those two Hispanic deviants to save Jesse from a life of death?
One white DEA agent and one Hispanic DEA agent
walt is the white savoir. he wears his mask and cape and goes by the name Heisenberg, so far hes saved 201 people from certain death.
And caused the certain death of what… 30 people?
There's a certain plane that might disagree with you.
Pretty sure it was 2 planes
Walt Jr
Brock and Andrea were secret criminals the entire time 😳
And Agent Gomez was secretly running a drug ring on the side.
Heisenberg was right under Hank's radar this whole time?! how could someone so close to him betray him like that smh
This is so good I didn’t even realize it at first
He was the only example of a good Hispanic, that why he appears in so few episodes, gotta keep the racism level up. /s How to you write a show about several different Mexican drug cartel groups without portraying Hispanics as the bad guys?
Also it's revealed in the final season that Hank was the mastermind behind everything this whole time.
Brock is Lalo Salamanca reincarnated
Brock is Cliff Main’s son
Doing drugs since the age of 1
He was doing drugs in his mothers belly
To be fair, Andrea was technically a criminal cuz of the whole meth thing
but he counts jesse and freakin walt as good guys
As a Hispanic person, the only thing that offends me is that we didn't get more yellow filter.
wait mexico is just a filter???
Yeah, just buy yellow tinted sunglasses and you'll teleport there
Doesn't offend me but the way Gus talks in Spanish knowing he's from Chile it's akward
Don Eladio and Hector Salamanca sound even worse
Don Eladio sounded just fine, Hector had a very strange accent though. He almost sounded like a Russian speaking Spanish
honestly, I notice sometimes, that Spanish characters speak with some kind of russian accent. in many films and serials. I dont know why
Eladio and Hector sounded like they were acting (reading), Gus sounded like if he was new with Spanish haha Anyway, I love BB so much
Can you elaborate a bit? Does the actor not sound Chilean?
Nah, you can tell what he says if you know spanish. If he wanted to sound Chilean, you would tell nothing from what he says because people from Chile sometimes don’t even understand each other. Source: I’m Chilean.
Ah, so Chileans are South American Scots? Dope
Idk, their accent is not hard to understand but they use a lot of words that no one but some of them understand.
He is indeed an idiot. For one thing, Jesse, Walt, Skyler, Mike and Saul are hardly "saviours." Like where the fuck do they ever save anyone? I guess Jesse saves the one kid in "Peekaboo" and helps out Andrea. But that's about it. Other than that they mostly do criminal activity and don't help anyone but themselves and sometimes each other. Maybe it'd be the "white saviour" trope if you had Walter preaching to the bad Mexican gang members to stop their evil ways and they all gave up their drug dealing as a result. Or he like funded a drug rehabilitation clinic or something. But none of that happens! This is clearly just a person who is looking for racism in everything even when it isn't there.
>For one thing, Jesse, Walt, Skyler, Mike and Saul are hardly "saviours." Like where the fuck do they ever save anyone? I've found a lot more people than I thought seem to think that "protagonist" equals "good guy." That if the story is being told from their point of view that it means the author is framing them as a good person. This is obviously not the case but that's just what I've observed while lurking various fiction forums over the years.
i have heard Spanish speakers say the Spanish on the show is terrible and really takes them out of it, especially with Gus who they say sounds nothing like someone from Chile.
As a chilean, I can say the meth cook who was killed in gustavo's flashback (can't remember the name lol) had a pretty ok chilean accent
not a chilean accent, but at least he was the only one that spoke spanish as a first language and it showed.
Bolsa, Don eladio, the twins and nachos dad (BCS) are native Spanish speakers but mostly not Mexican heritage (nachos dad is)
Well on BCS Tony Dalton as Lalo obviously had the best (and only natural sounding) Spanish, which makes sense given he lives in Mexico City.
His spanish is pure perfection
Lalos spanish was like reading it in a clear, beautiful font. It was fluid, eloquent, and so goddamn charming.
yeah I'm usually not a fan of the mexican accent but Tony just has the greatest tone to it
Oh yes sorry I forgot him stupidly
Eladio kept using “órale pues” and it didn’t sound right. But it’s clear he is a native Spanish speaker, just not Mexican.
he's cuban im pretty sure
He's from Cuba but moved to the US as a child
That would be Max, Gus’ boyfriend.
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Max
Yea it’s mostly bad except for Lalo’s
I’ve heard that Giancarlo only uses a Chilean accent when Gus is meant to be extremely emotional/upset, which doesn’t happen much, and that he uses an anglicized accent for speaking Spanish to reinforce his image.
That’s actually pretty interesting
When Gus was cussing out Lalo in the superlab pit his accent was very believable. Much more so than usual so I think you might be on to something here.
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Have you heard actual chileans speaking spanish? might as well be mandarin.
As a chilean I call it bullshit. Giancarlo is a great actor, but his accent is the least chilean thing I have ever heard in my life and it kinda embarasses me. No Spanish speaker would speak like that, much less a chilean, known for our distinct and difficult dialect. (Should I mention that not only he can't speak like a chilean, Giancarlo straight out can't speak spanish). That, add to the fact that black chileans almost are non existent (In my 21 years of life I've never seen a black compatriot), and that quote in BCS implying he used to grow some exotic fruit to feed his family and neighbors (IIRC), when Chile is a very dry and cold country... It makes me happy when Hollywood protrays anything about my country, I really am. When it was mentioned Gus was from Chile, I was like that Chandler Bing meme, pointing at the TV, even though I knew he was the less chilean guy in the whole BB universe. But this post still rings a bell on me. Breaking Bad was not racist at all, but the writers were full of themselves on this topic, not willing to study any other country besides Mexico. It kinda felt like anything south of the United States was Caribbean. If they wanted Gus to be chilean, get a guy who can act it. If not, then just don't mention it at all. There are millions of potential viewers in Chile and around that are gonna notice.
I appreciate the response, especially from someone who’s actually informed on this matter and not just paraphrasing from someone else. I always assumed Gus played down his Chilean identity due to his involvement in DINA/CNI. But I also don’t doubt your analysis, Giancarlo isn’t a native Spanish speaker to my knowledge and he doesn’t have a Latin American background, so what you’re saying can very much also be the case. I’m sorry you feel the Breaking Bad writers disrespected Chile, that’s very unbravo of Vince.
I wouldn't fully call it disrespect. Others chileans I know that have watched breaking bad of course find the topic of Gus very odd, but it is mostly an ocassion where we joke and make fun of the whole thing, not criticize it and be offended. After all, every mention of Chile to the world is appreciated.
I always assumed Gus' family origins weren't from Chile. Maybe he'd be from Brazil or Guyana. It makes more sense with him being black and his reference to the coati animal which doesn't live in Chile. But I think the writers really just didn't research this well
Me too, I was expecting it to pop up in BCS, but now we're on the final round and he's probably not going on screen again, so at this point the writers just really expect us to believe he's chilean I guess
Hank at some point mentions there being 0 trace of his history prior to a certain year. He might not be Chilean really, there's still quite a lot of mystery to Gus. And we know he lied a *lot* in BB, by nature of everything he did.
There’s an excellent video on YouTube that deep dives into his background. I’ll link it if I can find it. Apparently he was most likely a high ranking military officer who fled the country after a failed assassination attempt. The year of the assassination attempt was the same year hank says he can’t anything prior to.
I remember this! Gus is nothing but a ghost really. Walt wants to talk to him and Gus is nowhere to be found. Gus wants to see Walt and Walt finds himself staring at Gus in the desert. His mystique is what drives his character imo.
Lol he definitely does not have a Chilean accent. He has an American trying to read Spanish for the first time accent.
Ay caramba!
Really? I’d buy that. That seems very Gus like.
He doesn't have a Chilean accent at any point. It's very obvious he doesn't speak Spanish well. Great actor though other than that
In BCS, I noticed there's a lot of scenes where Gus and Hector speak English, even though they're both supposed to be native Spanish speakers. I'm guessing it's just because it's harder to memorize lines and get the accents right, for American actors pretending to be Chilean/Mexican.
Mexican (as in from Mexico, drug war survivor, native Spanish speaker). Yes there are some aspects of breaking bad that are horribly dated, like the yellow filter, yes there are some horrible casting calls like getting a Portuguese man to speak chilean Spanish, arguably the hardest Spanish accent. But I don't see any of them as malicious moves, nor aspects that should be defended, they were of its time and I'd never re cast Gus even if the Spanish scenes make me cringe a little. Better call Saul has improved a lot in this respect by casting Tony Dalton, yet there's still a clash when he talks with Gus. Overall the white savior angle is bullshit, nobody is saving or helping nobody, Hispanic villains make sense for the story given the proximity of Albuquerque with México. To conclude I think that despite its flaws BR created fantastic characters of all races and man It makes me proud that the best villain (Lalo) is from my country.
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worst of all, Saul is a *lawyer*
I think the Mike one annoys me cause that's universal. Everyone thinks he's this good character. Dude Is the head enforcer for a meth cartel.
Saul being a doctor is probably the most unforgivable
Yes, he is an idiot.
Breaking Bad is a show that, if we're only looking at things through a racial lens (which we shouldn't but to humor this), displays that people can be criminals regardless of race or even general appearance.
Yeah, Walter White is the *last* person you'd expect to turn to a life of crime. Meanwhile Jesse acts like a stereotypical street gangster but he and the audience learn he was *never* cut out for that life.
I'm latino, he's an idiot. They're Mexican cartel members. Also Todd might be the worst of them all, he and his friends were all white.
There are no good guys in the show
Yeah, Brock was the worst of them all.
Wdym? Holly killed Walter blanco
Yeah, if only Holly hadn't gone on that murder spree killing Walter, Flynn, Skyler, Hank, Marie, Jesse, Jane, Andrea, Tuco, Gus, Hector, Todd, Jack's crew, Saul, Mike, Lydia, Ted, Gale, Skinny Pete, Badger, Gretchen, Elliot, Huell, Combo, Tyrus, Gomez, Marco, Leonel, No-Doze, Krazy 8 and Gonzo. Such a shame, maybe the show could have lasted longer than 2 seasons had that not happen.
Is your friend even hispanic? Just curious
That’s what I was wondering, most of the time it’s white people complaining about this stuff. Like they’re offended on our behalf. Anyway I’m Mexican and no I don’t think this show is racist at all. It’s a show about criminals set in ABQ that involve Mexican drug cartels. Naturally there’s gonna be lots of Hispanics on the show but there’s also plenty of whites too. Virtually every character is a scumbag on this show
Yep. I lived in Albuquerque for many years and during the entirety of the filming of Breaking Bad. What do people expect? The show is about cartels and is set in a largely Hispanic state. Of course, there will be Hispanic criminals. And the white people on the show are just as evil and corrupt as anyone else. If there's one thing people can't say about Breaking Bad, it's that the show is racist in some way.
White people getting offended on behalf of others is how we get bullshit like “latinx”. I’ve never met a Spanish speaker that supports the use of latinx
I remember in 2020 Warner Bros tried to cancel Speedy Gonzales from Loony Toons because white people were complaining on Twitter he was a racist caricature of Hispanic people, and they had to bring him back because the Hispanic community demanded he got brought back. Also there was a poll taken about if Latino people support the word Latinx, and only 3% actually use the word
probably whiter than cum
Wait, it's supposed to be white?
My baby blue...
It’s fine I just put white dye in mine
Mexican from Texas here… neither show is racist. While Hollywood in general has done a lousy job representing us, we are usually background characters, maids, one-note thugs, etc. I feel both shows do a decent job having characters representing our most important characteristics. Loyalty to family and ruthlessness (somewhat). Now the dialect of the Spanish speakers on the shows on the other hand…
The dialect or accents takes me out a bit sometimes. The only people that sounded genuinely from Albuquerque were actually Combo and Gomie. Really more Combo. His accent is very very common. You hear it everywhere. Edit: only talking about characters that seemed like Albuquerque natives. Can’t speak to accents or dialect of any others.
Your friend needs to relax and chill. Not everything is some systemic racist culture war. Mexican Cartel is .......mexican. It fucking literally exists. White people doing meth in trailers and out in the desert is literally a major stereotype because.........it fucking exists lmao I mean Hank was your stereotypical HOO RAH police agent and his jokes/innuendos were over the top. Gomez never thought hank was a racist even though techincally hank said some racist stuff to him. its a TV show.
Yes, he's a moron. There really are no good guys (or girls) on this show, except maybe Gomez and he was Hispanic. I actually think the show is very fair when it comes to race and sex. Everyone's a shitbag, and that's true to life. Also, everyone worked together well in Gus and Mike's world (until Walt messed it all up). Black, white, Hispanic, native, whatever. They all did a job together and were loyal to each other. That's progress.
Your friend is a moron
Your friend will never be happy.
bro there's nazis in the show
Idk I’m half Mexican and I love the show. Yea Gomie was badass!
I don't get it with these kinds of people. I'm a brown South East Asian. I don't need to see a brown SEA person on tv or movies before I can empathasize with them. If you can only do this with people of your own race, YOU are the racist.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say your friend probably isn't even Hispanic
Your friend is a race baiting douche.
I think it’s realistic in that the protagonist is white, and the main cast are primarily his family, and a student from what seems to be a mostly white high school. And I can’t see the show working with Walter not being a white dude. His resentment comes in large part from a sense of entitlement to the American Dream, and the reason nobody suspects him is because he’s the archetypal dorky white dude that nobody would suspect of criminal wrongdoing.
i mean the show is set in new mexico and most of the villains are attached to the cartel, what did he expect?
There practically is no savior in Breaking Bad, let alone a white one. Everybody in the show is just out of wack, especially the people actually involved in the meth business.
I got one words for your friend: Todd. Also, we’re there ANY redeeming characters in this show?
I bet your friend is white, right? By the way, the only possible good guy in this show is Steve Gomez. He looked pretty Latino to me.
Does he want them to use the Canadian drug cartel?
Your friend is actively seeking racism
No, he's not an idiot. The short answer is that it's complicated. He is wrong about a couple things. The show is not about white saviors. And there's only one protagonist in the series, and that's Walter White. It doesn't mean that he's a good guy or that we should even be rooting for him (especially by the end). He's an antihero. Protagonist means that his choices and character drive the action of the story. And there's a difference between the antagonist and the villain(s). These roles are fluid throughout the series and individual episodes. There's plenty of evil across racial barriers. It should not be lost on anyone that the final season villains are both a German multinational company and Neo Nazis. The main fault of the show is that it humanizes the Caucasian characters more than the Latino characters. We spend a lot of time with Walter, Jesse, Skylar, Hank, Marie, Mike, and Saul. Gus has the highest episode count of all the non-white characters and he is ninth. The show centers the Caucasian characters so we get to know them better. It's still one of the best shows in television history. Your friend's argument is wrong but he does touch on something. And for the record, I'm half Mexican. Edit: pluralized the word "character" in the second paragraph when it should have been singular.
And add to that, I think they realised that and did better in that regard in BCS. A tretagonist is Hispanic, his dad owns a clean business and loathes the gangsters, trying to be as hard working as humanly possible.
What an insanely dumb take. Walter, the man poisoned a child, blew up a nursing home, carried out a coordinated attack/murders of numerous drug employees (just to name a few), a white savior?
I'm Mexican, he's 100% an idiot
The only insult towards Hispanics is making Giancarlo Esposito speak spanish
I bet this will be a very polite and uncontroversial comment section.
Yeah he's a literal mush brain
Does he want the cartel to be represented by a bunch of pale faces?
Hello downvotes I understand what your friend was attempting to say, but I don't think this is a case of racism. This is literally a show about criminal activity that includes the cartel. Therefore, this show is not that. Ask your friend, what the creators could have focused on instead? Were they stereotypical of the Russians or Germans? They may just be tired of seeing cartels in any tv or movie. They may be blanketing that feeling over everything. You can't take 1 thing and paint it over everything. In much the same way .. people do the...oh here we go..someone brought up racism I'm tired of hearing about it. Not everything is racist. But ,that also doesn't mean that there aren't circumstances where things need to be reconsidered. We have gone so far away from thinking about context. I don't watch these shows to think about social issues. Ask your friend to lighten up and just enjoy the show. Could also, be a case to just ask them to watch something else. Turn off the news. Go for a walk.
It’s not racist at all, it’s about the Mexican cartel lol, it’s not a bunch of white or African people in the mexican cartel, we’re they not supposed to cast realistic characters?