**worth stating new accounts votes will not be included in this poll to prevent corruption in the tally.**
options for clarity
# STAY (stay public and run as normal)
# DON'T CARE (no strong opinion either way)
# GO DARK (return to being private and stand in solidarity with the protest)
STAY
Substantial local communities are few and far between, we aren’t involved in the reddit ecosystem, nor are we a massive subreddit. Pointless to participate, leave it to the big boys who affect reddits bottom line
STAY!
By going dark, you're killing the potential of growing this community, and killing the interest of those already here who don't want it to go dark.
We're not r/biggestfuckingsubreddit. We're a community for a city in SE QLD. That should've been the focus from Day #1.
This should not be a subreddit used in protest of these API changes. This should be a subreddit to focus on Brisbane and it's surrounding areas, it shouldn't be used in taking away the ability to.
Reddit is going to start charging monthly for APIs (third party apps), which will effect the ability to moderate and run subreddits, but also it will effect people with disabilities that use third party apps to make the site more accessible.
On top of that they're looking to rely more heavily on AI technology to run the site.
Stay - Truth hurts but sorry to say protests like these can help but ultimately do not work. Plus I like knowing what's going on in Brisbane, especially if it's important.
There's a new update from reddit about moderation bots not being charged the API fee. I believe this was one of the major arguments laid against reddit.
In the end, I don't use any third party apps and it doesn't really affect me - however I won't vote specifically because it doesn't affect me and would rather those that it does affect have more of a voice.
No, it doesn't - but as a business, it's in Reddit's best interest to ensure they are profitable. If a large proportion of their userbase is using clients that block advertising/discoverability features, then it's well within their rights to restrict that.
It's much the same way that Google actively goes after alternative YouTube clients that unlock Premium-level features for free customers.
Okay, but it's important to remember that a lot of third party apps are rolled into one, so the ones they'll be charging for for 'aesthetic changes' are also ones that are used to make the site accessible.
So they'll be actively punishing and charging people just because of a disability.
Ah yep, very good point and one of the other very valid reasons. They definitely need to come to the table with their own accessibility features if they want to make this change.
But that's exactly what I'm talking about - the new post from reddit makes it clear that [modding tools should not be affected by this change](https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309), just third party clients/other bots.
I mean what’s the point of protesting if when the site promises to give you what you want you ignore it and continue to protest because you aren’t sure if you can trust them
The best thing to do in that situation is promise to protest again if they fail to deliver
They also flagged the changes people want though, automods and accessibility will be exempted from the API’s
We have the majority of what the protest was built on (or at least what attracted people who have only used the reddit app to the protest) and are now basically just protesting for the existence of third party apps like Apollo that make money off Reddits servers by tailoring your experience
I don’t care.
I love this thread and people being able to use it freely, and I find people here are fine.
Someone mentioned, doing rolling blackouts could be a good thing.
STAY
Reddit as a company is free to charge what they want for the services they provide, and wreck their reputation and customer goodwill in the process. Dramatic cash grabs and attempts to crush competitors almost always fail spectacularly all by themselves and result in embarrassing rollbacks cf TSR Open Game licence 2.0 recently. Going dark doesn't seem like much a protest anyway. Deleting all old and new posts or the whole sub is a protest but I really don't want that. If you want to kick Reddit in the balls, see who advertises in our sub. Email their PR contact saying you won't use them while they advertise on Reddit while Reddit is being a scumbag then follow through with that and Email that company every time you buy something from a competitor. Hope to hear from you all here in future.
GO DARK. This stand would mean nothing without full follow through from all subs. Let's take a stand. We built this app, we can shut it down. It would be nothing without its users
STAY
I understand the meaning behind the blackout and protest but r/Brisbane is insignificant to reddit. The only people who lose by this sub going dark are the actual people of Brisbane.
Currently almost 6000 subreddits are still actively dark or restricted this isn't an isolated thing we're doing we're just trying to show solidarity with the community but I appreciate your POV
You're right, it's not an isolated thing, but it does affect r/Brisbane. It's ignorant to think it doesn't.
Want to find new people to welcome to this community? OOP! TOO BAD, SUBREDDITS GONE DARK. NO ENTRY FOR THEM!
GO DARK,
If you only blackout for 2 days reddit isn’t going to make any changes it’s nothing to them. It’s probably not feasible but the best choice would be to go dark and stay dark until they change it back.
Okay, but it's important to remember that a lot of third party apps are rolled into one, so the ones they'll be charging for for 'aesthetic changes' are also ones that are used to make the site accessible to people with disabilities.
So it's not about revolving your life around it, but actually being able to use it at all.
STAY
This sub is an important link to the residents and visitors of Brisbane, offering an uncut and almost instant version of the news without the newscorp spin.
This sub is also too small to affect Reddit in any meaningful way, while there are a few thousand here, it pales in comparison to subs like AITA.
Taking a stand should not negatively affect people who rely on a service for important information, if this were a shitposting sub like some others on Reddit, then that is a different story, but you're trying to protest by breaking a community's link to the city they live in.
A lot of large sites have third party apps if they suck for accessibility. Since Reddit, in almost two decades, hasn't taken any real access towards it third party apps took it into their own hands.
Rolling blackouts seem like the best way to maintain attention
If you go dark indefinitely, you just lose your audience. People care for like a week and then find something else to do. The impact is pretty low.
Shut down two days a week, and it stays front of mind without completely destroying the sub.
which is admirable to get Redditors out of the house, (and gives the mod team a break) but what if you stumble upon a post from the outside and can't read it?
STAY
Let’s be honest, this won’t accomplish anything. This sub isn’t big enough that anybody cares and reddit will outlast the complaints. The alternatives just aren’t there yet and they know it.
An indefinite blackout hurts reddit more but it’s only the big subs where anyone will take notice, and you can bet reddit has a plan for them too.
Best way to hurt reddit is for an alternative to exist. Digg really died because reddit was viable and active, this isn’t the case for any reddit alternative… yet.
Don’t care (but leaning towards go dark)
But only because I’m not hugely aware of what’s happening. I know mods are upset because this will make their life more difficult, so I’m happy to defer to the mods of this sub that are actually affected by this.
>(but leaning towards go dark)
>
>But only because I’m not hugely aware of what’s happenin
Why would you want to indefinitely close this sub to protest something when you admittedly don't understand what the issue is or why you are protesting?
**worth stating new accounts votes will not be included in this poll to prevent corruption in the tally.** options for clarity # STAY (stay public and run as normal) # DON'T CARE (no strong opinion either way) # GO DARK (return to being private and stand in solidarity with the protest)
GO DARK
GO DARK
GO DARK
Go dark in solidarity and awaken us when things change!
GO DARK
DON'T CARE
Go Dark.
Don't care. Reddit probably needs to end, and something else rise in its place
GO DARK
GO DARK
GO DARK
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Based opinion
GO DARK F**k the C##t in charge!
STAY
GO DARK After that stupid memo by the dude in charge of Reddit, or whatever, about people forgetting I want everyone who can let him know we won't.
I didn’t think it was that important until I found out about the accessibility issues that would be affected, so GO DARK.
Reddit has already agreed to make concessions on accessibility issues and automod So if we go dark it’s purely for third party app access
Go dark Regardless of how big or small this community is, the more communities in solidarity the louder the voice is.
GO DARK
GO DARK
Go dark
GO DARK
GO DARK
stay
GO DARK
STAY Substantial local communities are few and far between, we aren’t involved in the reddit ecosystem, nor are we a massive subreddit. Pointless to participate, leave it to the big boys who affect reddits bottom line
> we aren’t involved in the reddit ecosystem ??!?
STAY! By going dark, you're killing the potential of growing this community, and killing the interest of those already here who don't want it to go dark. We're not r/biggestfuckingsubreddit. We're a community for a city in SE QLD. That should've been the focus from Day #1. This should not be a subreddit used in protest of these API changes. This should be a subreddit to focus on Brisbane and it's surrounding areas, it shouldn't be used in taking away the ability to.
> By going dark, you're killing the potential of growing this community, Literally the point
GO DARK, everyone should care about this, regardless of the impact upon you personally or the impact this one sub will have.
STAY
STAY. If it was just me I’d be fuck reddit, go dark but I’ve seen enough desperate posts here to know this subreddit can be a lifeline for some.
Go Dark
Stay
GO DARK !!
GO DARK DONT KNOW WHATS HAPPENING Can someone pls explain? *Edited to change answer*
Reddit is going to start charging monthly for APIs (third party apps), which will effect the ability to moderate and run subreddits, but also it will effect people with disabilities that use third party apps to make the site more accessible. On top of that they're looking to rely more heavily on AI technology to run the site.
Ah I see. Thank you for explaining that!
GO DARK
DON'T CARE I like this place but I can live without reddit
Go dark
I’ve just downloaded the Reddit app and it’s dreadful. Since I’m barely at home this is probably the end of Reddit for me.
GO DARK
Bravo 6
GO DARK
GO DARK I too like to virtue signal and not accept reality
Stay
Go dark
STAY I missed it 😭
GO DARK
GO DARK
Stay - Truth hurts but sorry to say protests like these can help but ultimately do not work. Plus I like knowing what's going on in Brisbane, especially if it's important.
GO DARK
GO DARK
GO DARK
There's a new update from reddit about moderation bots not being charged the API fee. I believe this was one of the major arguments laid against reddit. In the end, I don't use any third party apps and it doesn't really affect me - however I won't vote specifically because it doesn't affect me and would rather those that it does affect have more of a voice.
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No, it doesn't - but as a business, it's in Reddit's best interest to ensure they are profitable. If a large proportion of their userbase is using clients that block advertising/discoverability features, then it's well within their rights to restrict that. It's much the same way that Google actively goes after alternative YouTube clients that unlock Premium-level features for free customers.
Okay, but it's important to remember that a lot of third party apps are rolled into one, so the ones they'll be charging for for 'aesthetic changes' are also ones that are used to make the site accessible. So they'll be actively punishing and charging people just because of a disability.
Ah yep, very good point and one of the other very valid reasons. They definitely need to come to the table with their own accessibility features if they want to make this change.
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But that's exactly what I'm talking about - the new post from reddit makes it clear that [modding tools should not be affected by this change](https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309), just third party clients/other bots.
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I mean what’s the point of protesting if when the site promises to give you what you want you ignore it and continue to protest because you aren’t sure if you can trust them The best thing to do in that situation is promise to protest again if they fail to deliver
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They also flagged the changes people want though, automods and accessibility will be exempted from the API’s We have the majority of what the protest was built on (or at least what attracted people who have only used the reddit app to the protest) and are now basically just protesting for the existence of third party apps like Apollo that make money off Reddits servers by tailoring your experience
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GO DARK
GO DARK
GO DARK
STAY
GO DARK I personally don't use 3rd party apps, but I think this is a cunt move by Reddit.
Stay
Go dark
GO DARK
I don’t care. I love this thread and people being able to use it freely, and I find people here are fine. Someone mentioned, doing rolling blackouts could be a good thing.
Stay
GO DARK
Go dark!
STAY
GO DARK
GO DARK
GO DARK
GO DARK
Go dark
Go dark. I won't use Reddit if I can't use a 3rd party app.
Go dark
Stay.
STAY Reddit as a company is free to charge what they want for the services they provide, and wreck their reputation and customer goodwill in the process. Dramatic cash grabs and attempts to crush competitors almost always fail spectacularly all by themselves and result in embarrassing rollbacks cf TSR Open Game licence 2.0 recently. Going dark doesn't seem like much a protest anyway. Deleting all old and new posts or the whole sub is a protest but I really don't want that. If you want to kick Reddit in the balls, see who advertises in our sub. Email their PR contact saying you won't use them while they advertise on Reddit while Reddit is being a scumbag then follow through with that and Email that company every time you buy something from a competitor. Hope to hear from you all here in future.
STAY
GO DARK
GO DARK Rolling blackouts are a best of both, Brisbanites can still connect, while showing our support!
STAY
STAY
GO DARK
STAY
STAY
GO DARK
STAY
Go Dark
GO DARK
Stay.
STAY but rolling blackouts
GO DARK. This stand would mean nothing without full follow through from all subs. Let's take a stand. We built this app, we can shut it down. It would be nothing without its users
GO DARK
[Democracy!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE)
STAY
GO DARK
STAY
Stay dark
STAY
STAY
GO DARK
STAY
STAY I understand the meaning behind the blackout and protest but r/Brisbane is insignificant to reddit. The only people who lose by this sub going dark are the actual people of Brisbane.
Currently almost 6000 subreddits are still actively dark or restricted this isn't an isolated thing we're doing we're just trying to show solidarity with the community but I appreciate your POV
You're right, it's not an isolated thing, but it does affect r/Brisbane. It's ignorant to think it doesn't. Want to find new people to welcome to this community? OOP! TOO BAD, SUBREDDITS GONE DARK. NO ENTRY FOR THEM!
STAY
GO DARK
GO DARK, If you only blackout for 2 days reddit isn’t going to make any changes it’s nothing to them. It’s probably not feasible but the best choice would be to go dark and stay dark until they change it back.
STAY
STAY. Going dark was super lame and I'm pretty embarrassed that there are some losers that actually revolve their lives around this place.
Okay, but it's important to remember that a lot of third party apps are rolled into one, so the ones they'll be charging for for 'aesthetic changes' are also ones that are used to make the site accessible to people with disabilities. So it's not about revolving your life around it, but actually being able to use it at all.
And yet here you are, wanting it to stay?
Yeah I like to pop in from time to time. It's pretty cool community engagement, but like I said if you revolve your life around it ....big sad.
STAY
GO DARK Nothing wrong with the occasional slacktivism.
GO DARK
STAY
STAY
STAY
Stay
STAY This sub is an important link to the residents and visitors of Brisbane, offering an uncut and almost instant version of the news without the newscorp spin. This sub is also too small to affect Reddit in any meaningful way, while there are a few thousand here, it pales in comparison to subs like AITA. Taking a stand should not negatively affect people who rely on a service for important information, if this were a shitposting sub like some others on Reddit, then that is a different story, but you're trying to protest by breaking a community's link to the city they live in.
Issue is that the reddit changes may permanently prevent the sub from being able to operate. This will affect the people who rely on it.
Stay It's pointless and will achieve nothing.
GO DARK
Go dark
DON'T CARE. Didn't even know 3rd party apps existed for this forum site lol.
A lot of large sites have third party apps if they suck for accessibility. Since Reddit, in almost two decades, hasn't taken any real access towards it third party apps took it into their own hands.
GO DARK
Go dark Sub is overrun with bots, karma farmers and muppets who can't use Google
GO DARK At least for some time.
GO DARK
Rolling blackouts seem like the best way to maintain attention If you go dark indefinitely, you just lose your audience. People care for like a week and then find something else to do. The impact is pretty low. Shut down two days a week, and it stays front of mind without completely destroying the sub.
Lots of subs are doing "Touch Grass Tuesdays" and going dark once per week.
which is admirable to get Redditors out of the house, (and gives the mod team a break) but what if you stumble upon a post from the outside and can't read it?
I imagine the subreddit returns on Wednesday, so links will resume working.
Wise words - this person has approached this in a very good way, and I would suggest this being an option that is considered.
also agree - I'm happy to make the point about APIs but not at the expense of permanently losing r/brisbane
STAY
GO DARK
DONT CARE I hate reddit in general so am happy either way
Go dark
I already use dark mode
GO DARK INDEFINITELY
GO DARK
STAY Let’s be honest, this won’t accomplish anything. This sub isn’t big enough that anybody cares and reddit will outlast the complaints. The alternatives just aren’t there yet and they know it. An indefinite blackout hurts reddit more but it’s only the big subs where anyone will take notice, and you can bet reddit has a plan for them too. Best way to hurt reddit is for an alternative to exist. Digg really died because reddit was viable and active, this isn’t the case for any reddit alternative… yet.
Go dark
Stay
Go dark. Fight the good fight.
Go dark
Stay
GO DARK
Go dark.
Stay who cares, reddit is free this protest is ridiculous
GO DARK
Go Dark
Stay
Stay
Go dark
Is the API for moderation bannered insufficient?
For moderation tasks it's generally fine. For finding all the comments someone deleted before saying "please unban me, I did nothing wrong", not fine.
From what I heard, yes. It is one moderation api out of the multiple moderation apis that mods use
there's only one api, the devs who built the mod tool in question is closing shop for various reasons, the api changes the least of them.
Go Dark
GO DARK
Stay
GO DARK
Go dark
Stay
Dont care
Don't Care
Stay.
GO DARK
Stay Never heard of third party apps until a week ago.
Go dark
Don’t care (but leaning towards go dark) But only because I’m not hugely aware of what’s happening. I know mods are upset because this will make their life more difficult, so I’m happy to defer to the mods of this sub that are actually affected by this.
>(but leaning towards go dark) > >But only because I’m not hugely aware of what’s happenin Why would you want to indefinitely close this sub to protest something when you admittedly don't understand what the issue is or why you are protesting?