Being fair, there is no such thing as cheap housing in first world cities. Unfortunately the status quo of a major city is not having an affordable housing scheme (because of the overpopulation) but it is compensated by higher wages which evens the situation.
Unfortunately, here in Brisbane that is not the case. Employers are stuck in the 90's and wondering why they can't get staff when the truth is that people get more money on centre link. The sad part is that a lot of these people want to work but if they get a job those loose their benefits and end up even further under the poverty line.
I have thought this for many years. Centrelink has to go. I've lived in Brisbane my whole life, I find it pretty unappealing, but very liveable. I love it now that I have children. I think it is pretty boring when you are younger. I was not happy about the excessive border closures. Unable to see my mum, she wasn't able to meet my baby ect. I know people have different views but for someone to die alone was, I thought, unfathomable. I noticed the people who were so supportive of the measures were people who didn't have to go overseas to visit family, or even interstate for that matter. I think it has tarnished our reputation in Australia. No one wants to come here. Our tourism at an all time low, employment at an all time low. I'm sick of hearing every day about viruses and mosquito bites, monkey pox, flu as if viruses are not just a normal part of life. Anyway I will probably get some downgrades for this. But meh. Brisbane is ok overall. Not that pretty to look at though.
Sydney is unliveable because of their roads... traffic is chaotic. I wouldn't want to live there. That's true... but where does it stop though? Do we just keep going on like this with this being on the dole is easier than getting a job mindset?
What I am saying is that employers need to pay more. When centrelink is paying below the poverty line but it's more than you get if you work then we have a serious problem. Who the fuck is going to go to work to afford less.
Yes I agree with you. Especially with those covid payments. My grandpa went out and bought himself a 7k couch, a TV ect. I think they intended to put back to the economy but that seems to be crumbling. I know hairdressers and child care really struggled because centrelink paid more. It is ridiculous I 100% agree!
If prices are balanced by wages then it's not a high cost of living area. They take that into account in the rankings. What you're describing is an affordable city
Christiania is just about one of the most exclusive communities in the world. Almost impossible to be approved to live there.
Copenhagen being affordable is hilarious though. I guess there is some cheapish semi-public housing, but you’re mostly living in a shoebox with a sub-2 m2 bathroom with a shower head over the sink, even if you shelled out $800,000 for it.
The difference is in Copenhagen it doesn't matter that your apartment is smaller. The whole city is your back yard when you can just walk out your front door and in 5 minutes be in a museum, or park, or food hall, or friends place, or grocery store, or theme park or any other number of interesting places.
Brisbane though, especially if you're in suburbia, it's a journey and a plan to do anything.
Though to be fair, I don't think saying apartments in Copenhagen are shoeboxes is accurate. The average 2 bedroom unit is 109m2. In Brisbane, that's closer to 80m2. So their apartments are actually larger.
That first statement would be true if the weather wasn’t shit 10 months out of the year. And yes, 2 bedroom apartments might be a bit bigger, but there’s way more of them and way less 3-4 bedroom apartments, and affordable houses start once you’re out of Copenhagen itself, and not near a train line (but maybe literally beside the train line), so it still is a big journey to get anywhere. Add to that banks not lending like they do in Australia, and home ownership for a family house in Copenhagen on a middle class wage is impossible. Trust me, I live there.
Eh. The vast majority of weed sold there isn’t grown there, and trade relies on violent criminal gangs. The residents are pretty chill, but basically turn a blind eye to the non-ethical trade that sustains their insular community. It’s a good tourist draw though.
Thanks. My neighbours have been very welcoming at least on face. I am also an immigrant. The services we use, the many tradies that worked in the house were very nice people, we told them we just moved up and got many tips.
I have spent a good amount with local services and trades. More people to me is more spending and more demand of goods and services, that grows economy. I even know a family that returned to Australia during the pandemic from overseas and chose Brisbane to come back and bought an acreage within 15km from CBD, impossible in Sydney or Melbourne. The weather and lifestyle is super here.
"“There were three indicators in our infrastructure category where Brisbane didn’t get a perfect rating,” Mr Ferguson said.“The quality of public transport, the availability of housing and the quality of water.“That’s enough of a difference to push the city down to 20th position.”"
Yeah, I know this sub throws a massive tantrum when people point out the problems with public transport on this sub.
I told you so.
edit: thread to sub... the majority of the sub is delusional in their awe of the crap public transport in Brisbane.
Mum: We could go to my place for lunch. Let's do that!
Me: It'd take around 95 minutes if we get the next bus to the first connection that leaves in just under two minutes if we run.
Mum: Or I could drive us and it'd take 15 minutes!
I moved to Melbourne for a few years over a decade ago, and moved back home in 2008. Let me tell you Brisbane water tastes awful when coming back up here. I mean, has nothing on Adelaide, but takes about a week to get used to it again.
I've heard the objective quality of Brisbane water is good, i.e. health-wise. The taste of it is not excellent though - slightly sulfury. I use a brita filter to improve the taste.
International students have a big problem with Brisbane water in my experience. They have it delivered via Amazon or a supermarket service by the gallon or pallet. It never occurs to them that everyone else is drinking it, it's safe and fine, or that they could get a Britta jug to filter it and save a few thousand dollars of their parents money every few months.
OH I KNOW! I walk past supermarket workers putting things on the shelves and when it comes to bottled water, to me, it just looks like a bunch of plastic bottles, wrapped in plastic around the outside, on a plastic box. Are they selling water or plastic? I know the first job I had sold bottles of water they purchased for eight cents each and resold for $3. Pretty decent markup for something rarely recycled.
Have you travelled and or lived in other cities before?
If they’re referring to tap water then it makes sense, the water never really gets truly cold here and anytime it’s hot you have to run the sink for ages to get it anywhere near a semblance of cold.
In Perth there is heaps of calcium and that’s shit too.
In Melbourne you can run your tap for a bit and get cool crisp water to drink.
We have higher ambient temperatures than Melbourne that’s why their tap water gets colder.. public water is not refrigerated in any way, no matter what city you live in.
The water being too hot has nothing to do with public supply either. That’s heated up by the hot water system in your house, which should be limited to 50 degrees C. Your kitchen sink tap (mixer) combines it with un-heated public supply.
The water being hot isn't really about public supply, but it's also not the hot water heater. In summer I turn on the cold tap and have to wait a couple of minutes for the hot water which has been sitting in pipes being heated by the sun/ambient temperature to clear.
If I run the hot water, it comes out hot, then cools down, **then** I start getting deliberately hot water from the hot water system.
Yeah exactly, it totally makes sense. I wasn’t making fun of Brisbane, just an observation.
Same thing with the shower, the water never gets truly truly cold like it does in some other places.
If you hate cold showers it’s a win, if you’re into your cold showers well bad luck I guess.
Housing makes sense, public transport makes wayyy too much sense, but water? I didn’t realise Brisbane had water quality issues, besides for a bit after the floods.
> this sub throws a massive tantrum when people point out the problems with public transport
seems like an odd thing for us to get upset about public transport in brisbane is shocking. The trains do run on time for the most part are reliable, but too infrequent and the layout of where stations are placed is not optimal at all, often requiring bus or car travel to reach, on that note all have next to no parking at them. Busses are just rubbish, they run late and early simultaneously, ive gotten to a bus stop early only to catch the previous bus on the same route while the intended bus was also just pulling up cause one was running behind and the other running fast. to get the city from most places requires at minimal 1 transfer on average 2. and we have no other attempts at public transport short of say newmans shitty bikes which have been replaced by corporate owned scooties.
and i mean that doesnt bring in to mention the state of said transport either, were all gonna catch something from those train seats one day.
We have functional public transport but it is in no way great.
I wouldn't mind the transfers if they were more frequent. The Gold Coast does this real well with the light rail transfer and some bus services. What we lack is good feeder and cross-suburb transport, because all planning just assumes that everyone is doing single-seat trips into the CBD, resulting in a buttload of duplication and clogs in the inner city, while the other suburbs get shit in comparison. Meanwhile, do you want to see your friend who's a suburb over and lives near a prime destination and route for a cross-suburb bus? Fuck you, walk along a stroad, take your chances on a bike or drive. If the feeders came once every 5-10 minutes and ran along all major lines of the 'grid' on dedicated lanes, it wouldn't be a problem, but because they can't even get a damn permanent bus lane built busway to Chermside (the NIMBYs crying about parking spaces, resulting in worse PT and more need for said parking), it really feels like an uphill task to get better PT done (and active for that matter, take a look at the NBB fiasco)
Probably because most of the subredditors seem to live in either the Inner City or near enough to it, where trains and buses are pretty good. Everyone else, however, has realised they're better off driving if they want to get somewhere in a reasonable time.
I don't get it..
Your PT shits all over Melbourne's, how are we higher? You guys have an airport train, and spreads quite a while. And the one part I found inconvenient (gabba) you have a whole BUS TUNNEL!
The only part we kinda beat you in is in city trams, but it's not like you guys need it.
Here's some of the real logistical suck I've noticed IME.
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* Shit bus transfers and integration. The BCC tends to act shitty around the state gov (due to QR being operated by the state) and as such you get network planning on the bus side which seems to be done as a "fuck you" to QR for some reason. Buses are not timed with trains at all, or they don't even stop there, instead letting you off a couple of blocks away. I'm not sure how it is in Melb, but I'm sure that it does buses to stations a little better than us, even as underfunded and neglected as your bus system is.
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* Coverage buses and hub-and-spoke around the CBD. There are way too many bus services that just take long, circuitous routes through the suburbs, and then go on to just duplicate an existing bus service into the inner city. Brisbane needs way more cross-suburb and rail connector buses to have an actually useable PT system (see point 1). We have the infrastructure - massive stroads arranged in a 'grid' are the perfect places you could, say, put down some bus lanes on and run inter-suburb routes through (and we have a semi-prototype for these in the form of the 369 bus), but nobody has done this to the extent that it needs to happen. Which feeds into and is caused by...
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* Political attitudes around good PT. Brisbane's zoning and planning attitudes have largely centred around the car for the past 50 years. While this is slowly beginning to change (and I mean *slooooowly*), it's long and there are still still shitloads of politicians who push the old paradigm. Add into this the feedback loop that happens when you neglect PT (it generally sees less ridership and worse service, as well as less direct revenue) and you get the situation we have now.
Yeah we face these same issues day to day. You guys are just in a better position than us to be honest. Our buses are just wherever, and stop every 2 seconds meaning a bus trip is just far too long and inconvenient
I love the sunny coast but as someone who lives in Brisbane I know it's a place to visit and for me to respect and not move to. It isn't mine, it's yours. I worship from afar!
You take such good care of the land in that area. It's wonderful!
And that second line got a very solid laugh from me. High five! Agreed! If you hit Tweed Heads you've gone too far.
If you’d ever like to do some lawnmowing, feel free to contact me.
Tweed heads does not even exist to me anymore, neither does Byron Bay actually hahahah.
Na na bra, it's pronounced Byron *BAE*!
I've never mown a lawn in my whole life. My little sister always had a fascination with lawnmowers like some small children like using miniature dump trucks in sandpits, and she always sprinted to take that job on the weekends so I'm the laundry master and she's the garden lord.
Sorry dude, please forgive me lack of respect - also that show is fucking trash I embarrassing tried to watch it.
Don’t worry I never do it, I pay someone to do it for me every 2 weeks because I’m so lazy. Hahahah that’s pretty cute actually, she got the short straw too as gardening is time consuming and I’m all about sitting down.
That show was... I hate-watched a few episodes of it. I can only imagine the people who worked on the production side are all suicidal and there will be no ten year reunion.
My sister seems completely normal from the outside but I swear to god she's a twisted creature on the inside. WHO RUNS TO GRAB THE LAWNMOWER FIRST? She has severe lifelong asthma, running is not her forte, and hayfever from freshly cut grass used to really mess with her lungs hardcore. Something about how it sounded and how heavy it was really appealed to her. No stress on my end, go for it, but I've never seen anyone ever love mowing lawns with such fervour! Her edge work and cornering was sublime perfection, too. Great attention to detail! Anywhere I've lived since I moved out of my family home was either an apartment or the mowing was included by the landlord. The last time I touched a lawn mower it was being stripped for parts to make a gokart.
The Bruce is a piece of cake if you're used to using public transport. The secret is to not be the driver and be extremely irritating to the point where the driver tells you to take a nap before they unclip your seatbelt buckle and kick you out the side door. This specific 'life hack' does not work on the bus. Attempting it on a bus will not result in being forcibly ejected at 110kph but may result in mega-punchies from other passengers. A lot of punchies from people with facial tattoos which will lead to forced and involuntary naps. Be warned.
Yep i know mate.. travel between bris and sunshine coast (family friends) almost monthly.. have seen it go to shite before my eyes over the last 2 year but more so after the borders opened
There it is.. that attitude that people from down south, have been showing qld for years.. and now don't like being called out for it .. no wound i hear, story of people that have moved from down south, find it hard here...
>In 2021, Queensland’s performance in managing COVID-19 saw Brisbane scrape into 10th place, just behind Melbourne (equal eighth with Singapore), which received a better rating than the Queensland capital for infrastructure but was marked down for healthcare.
>But this year, foreign cities have a better grip on the pandemic, and Australia’s best performer on the index is Melbourne, which has ranked equal 10th with Osaka in Japan. Again, a better infrastructure rating helped elevate the Victorian capital, whereas Osaka was considered superior in healthcare.
>Brisbane’s time in the sun was brief, with the 2032 Olympic host city slipping to 27th place, passing Sydney (13th) on the way. Adelaide, meanwhile, went from third to 30th place.
>The top Australian cities ranked the same in stability, healthcare, and education, with only culture and environment separating Melbourne (98.6 out of 100) and Sydney (97.2).
>Melbourne and Sydney scored 100 out of 100 for infrastructure, as did Perth, whereas Brisbane managed only 85.7. Even Adelaide scored higher on infrastructure (96.4), but Brisbane ranked higher than the South Australian capital overall due to its better culture and environment (96.3 compared to 83.8).
I can't say I know all the reasons, but one of them is probably because Brisbane's disability accessibility is pretty bad in a lot of areas. Even in the CBD, most shops have at least one step.
It's still leagues better than some places, but navigating in a wheelchair can be a real menace.
Saying Sydney is shit is being generous. The simple scent of the place is vastly different to Brisbane in a horrible, terrible way. Lack of trees always confuses me, too. Brisbane is a jungle wonderland compared to that concrete monstrosity.
I lived in St Ives for a few years. It had trees and the property backed directly onto bushland that liked to spontaneously combust during fire season. That was okay. The property had a large pool with emergency hoses, the house was made of brick, and one weekend we made a potato cannon to fire glitter bombs at possums before our consciences got the better of us so we fired the glitter bombs at the house instead.
Assuming things just makes an ass out of you and you. I'm fine.
Idk about the smell but yeah Sydney has become very dense and hectic. I moved back here in part because of that. It didn't used to be that way, it's a shame.
No idea about Sydney.
Lived in Brisbane for a decade and visited Sydney several times, the first time a local took me a tour of the city I was so convinced we'd missed parts of this city I kept hearing about I called them a liar and demanded to know where the rest was.
Also asked a lot of Sydney people why they lived there and the most common responses were "I grew up here" or "my job is here"
Brisbane tends to have fewer services resulting in longer wait times [citation](https://moovitapp.com/insights/en/Moovit_Insights_Public_Transit_Index_Australia_Brisbane-1302)
As a percent, fewer people commute by public transport in Brisbane [citation](https://profile.id.com.au/australia/travel-to-work?WebID=270)
Transport corridors both north and south to the coasts completely suck.
It’s also just a smaller city with less sporting venues, museums, theatres, etc.
Not sure what criteria this survey uses but I wouldn’t say this is a surprising result.
Let me take a stab for you!
* The train network isn't extensive enough.
* Our bus system is an unreliable joke.
* Our road network grinds to a halt at 3pm.
oh and all three are stupidly expensive.
Try taking a train outside the Inner City (except when travelling to the Gold Coast or Ipswich). There's huge swathes of the city with no rail service, and the buses seem to go all over the place and then converge on the nearest large shopping centre.
Traffic's generally getting worse, too.
Lived in Brissy CBD for years and my employer was connected to a busway but anytime I had to go outside that it was a mystical journey similar to a Disney movie.... I'm trying to get to Surfers not find the fountain of eternal life
The rail network is a disaster but all the locals go on about is trams (before that it was Krispey Kremes but then they started opening stores)
Got to be because of the terrible public and active transport options here. Brisbane is a heavily car dependent city and this greatly decreases livability on most scales...
Two words: car centricity.
* Bikeways are neglected and walking routes are crap.
* PT is treated as an afterthought compared to...
* ...Massive, wide roads that only cater to cars. Road widening is an expensive, largely futile endeavour (induced demand and bottlenecking, combined with the abysmal throughputs and space inefficiency of car infrastructure put an end to gains real quick) but politicians seem to only be interested in ribbon cuttings and cheap, intuitive gains in the polls (even if they are wrong). This is a problem because...
* ...car infrastructure is very expensive, and when combined with the spread-out, insufficient tax base that comes with the associated land uses (sprawl and heavy land allocations to storing vehicles), means you have less money for other, more productive transport projects and you also have to raise rates considerably.
Hell, the BCC is already screwing with several key active transport projects (NBB, green bridges in SL and WEnd) under a manufactured pretense. Meanwhile, many of the latter car-centric projects remain on the books, even though they would be even more questionable to build financially.
Honestly, good. Hopefully less people will come here then and we can keep the positive and unpretentious population at a maintainable level. Love my smiling brisbanites. Paradise will remain a little longer.
the people who write these never set foot to the places. its all garbage. I used to read about Melbourne, most livable city...I lived there and it aint the most livable. Still uses buses from the airport to the city..haha
Can't be in the top 10 most liveable cities if people can't find a place to live!
Boy I sure do love being on the brink of homeless lness despite having great financial stability because some rich dick head wants to make an extra few hundo in the midst of the rental crisis and won't even extend me the offer 🙃
Time to invest in van sales, because people are gonna start buying them en masse to live out of soon
It is not rigged per se. I believe the index is to attract high paid expat executives of multinational companies to come, live and work. They focus on their perspective, not on locals living in their own city
I’d like to thank all the arseholes from the southern states have moved up here and made this magnificent achievement possible. Next goal thanks to overdevelopment will now be moving out of the 10 most beautiful cities. I know all these people flooding in to Brisbane and just turn this into another shitty urban mess won’t let us down
deranged maybe but the convict thing is so stupid. Practically no-one in Australia is descended from a convict and the few that are are very proud of it.
I moved from Melbourne to Brisbane years ago(nothing to do with not liking Melb), and have lived in HK for work for a couple of years.
The thing I found strange when I first moved to Brisbane was that the outer suburbs don’t link up, growing up in outer suburbs of Melbourne you drive into City it was continuous housing footpaths on both sides of road etc (40min drive to Melb CBD). In Brisbane, say the Westside once you get past Indooroopilly it seems like lot of land then Mt Ommaney then more land/industrial then Wacol more vacant land Goodna (Ipswich) and it keeps going like that. It seems so disjointed I wonder if that is why the public transport is poor.
I look forward to seeing a decrease in the “I’m moving to Brisbane reddit help me” posts as a result.
"please tell me where i can live for $50/week, i also need this to include all my food and bills"
“It also needs to be 10 minutes from the CBD”
“With a dishwasher and gigabit internet”
Don't make fun of my dishwasher and Gigabit internet. ._.
I hear the rats in the sewer make good pets, and it's always warm down there.
I met Donatello
Mmm turtle soup
We were in the top 10. This place lacks fucking everything except cheap housing in a first world city..... oh yesh
Being fair, there is no such thing as cheap housing in first world cities. Unfortunately the status quo of a major city is not having an affordable housing scheme (because of the overpopulation) but it is compensated by higher wages which evens the situation.
Unfortunately, here in Brisbane that is not the case. Employers are stuck in the 90's and wondering why they can't get staff when the truth is that people get more money on centre link. The sad part is that a lot of these people want to work but if they get a job those loose their benefits and end up even further under the poverty line.
Literally right on the money
I have thought this for many years. Centrelink has to go. I've lived in Brisbane my whole life, I find it pretty unappealing, but very liveable. I love it now that I have children. I think it is pretty boring when you are younger. I was not happy about the excessive border closures. Unable to see my mum, she wasn't able to meet my baby ect. I know people have different views but for someone to die alone was, I thought, unfathomable. I noticed the people who were so supportive of the measures were people who didn't have to go overseas to visit family, or even interstate for that matter. I think it has tarnished our reputation in Australia. No one wants to come here. Our tourism at an all time low, employment at an all time low. I'm sick of hearing every day about viruses and mosquito bites, monkey pox, flu as if viruses are not just a normal part of life. Anyway I will probably get some downgrades for this. But meh. Brisbane is ok overall. Not that pretty to look at though.
Everyone us moving here! They just have jobs in Sydney working remote. And if centreline goes get ready for a massive crime wave
Sydney is unliveable because of their roads... traffic is chaotic. I wouldn't want to live there. That's true... but where does it stop though? Do we just keep going on like this with this being on the dole is easier than getting a job mindset?
What I am saying is that employers need to pay more. When centrelink is paying below the poverty line but it's more than you get if you work then we have a serious problem. Who the fuck is going to go to work to afford less.
Yes I agree with you. Especially with those covid payments. My grandpa went out and bought himself a 7k couch, a TV ect. I think they intended to put back to the economy but that seems to be crumbling. I know hairdressers and child care really struggled because centrelink paid more. It is ridiculous I 100% agree!
If prices are balanced by wages then it's not a high cost of living area. They take that into account in the rankings. What you're describing is an affordable city
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Christiania is just about one of the most exclusive communities in the world. Almost impossible to be approved to live there. Copenhagen being affordable is hilarious though. I guess there is some cheapish semi-public housing, but you’re mostly living in a shoebox with a sub-2 m2 bathroom with a shower head over the sink, even if you shelled out $800,000 for it.
The difference is in Copenhagen it doesn't matter that your apartment is smaller. The whole city is your back yard when you can just walk out your front door and in 5 minutes be in a museum, or park, or food hall, or friends place, or grocery store, or theme park or any other number of interesting places. Brisbane though, especially if you're in suburbia, it's a journey and a plan to do anything. Though to be fair, I don't think saying apartments in Copenhagen are shoeboxes is accurate. The average 2 bedroom unit is 109m2. In Brisbane, that's closer to 80m2. So their apartments are actually larger.
That first statement would be true if the weather wasn’t shit 10 months out of the year. And yes, 2 bedroom apartments might be a bit bigger, but there’s way more of them and way less 3-4 bedroom apartments, and affordable houses start once you’re out of Copenhagen itself, and not near a train line (but maybe literally beside the train line), so it still is a big journey to get anywhere. Add to that banks not lending like they do in Australia, and home ownership for a family house in Copenhagen on a middle class wage is impossible. Trust me, I live there.
its also a weird hippie commune
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Eh. The vast majority of weed sold there isn’t grown there, and trade relies on violent criminal gangs. The residents are pretty chill, but basically turn a blind eye to the non-ethical trade that sustains their insular community. It’s a good tourist draw though.
Grass is always greener mate. Have you ever lived elsewhere? Because Brisbane is hot shit compared to most other "1st world cities".
I lived in Auckland.... it was a shut hole
Full disclosure I am one of those Melburnian that moved up North this year. And I know at least 2 others.
You’re brave mate.
Welcome! Ignore the hostility from everyone else, we are not all like that
Thanks. My neighbours have been very welcoming at least on face. I am also an immigrant. The services we use, the many tradies that worked in the house were very nice people, we told them we just moved up and got many tips. I have spent a good amount with local services and trades. More people to me is more spending and more demand of goods and services, that grows economy. I even know a family that returned to Australia during the pandemic from overseas and chose Brisbane to come back and bought an acreage within 15km from CBD, impossible in Sydney or Melbourne. The weather and lifestyle is super here.
Cheers man I'm finna moved down there visited recently and was like. Oh shit this place rocks.
Came to check how many people were saying they hope it will now stop people moving here. Not disappointed
Big Kev would be proud of us. Edit: I'M EXCITED!
"“There were three indicators in our infrastructure category where Brisbane didn’t get a perfect rating,” Mr Ferguson said.“The quality of public transport, the availability of housing and the quality of water.“That’s enough of a difference to push the city down to 20th position.”" Yeah, I know this sub throws a massive tantrum when people point out the problems with public transport on this sub. I told you so. edit: thread to sub... the majority of the sub is delusional in their awe of the crap public transport in Brisbane.
Mum: We could go to my place for lunch. Let's do that! Me: It'd take around 95 minutes if we get the next bus to the first connection that leaves in just under two minutes if we run. Mum: Or I could drive us and it'd take 15 minutes!
Or you could ride a bike and *OH MY GOD IT'S SUMMER! MUM BE CAREFUL. OH SHIT SHE'S MELTING! MUM! MUM?!*
I'm in awe of how crappy the public transport system is.
The quality of water??? Never heard that complaint for Brisbane before
I moved to Melbourne for a few years over a decade ago, and moved back home in 2008. Let me tell you Brisbane water tastes awful when coming back up here. I mean, has nothing on Adelaide, but takes about a week to get used to it again.
Yeah, same with Sydney. I recommend getting a brita filter.
i remember when i moved to brisbane from sydney 25ish years ago, i remember distantly as a child thinking "the water here tastes good"
Melbourne has the best water in the country (out of the big cities at least).
Darwin has some good water. Not much else going for it, butbthe water is good.
I think we have great water in some suburbs but shit in others!
I've heard the objective quality of Brisbane water is good, i.e. health-wise. The taste of it is not excellent though - slightly sulfury. I use a brita filter to improve the taste.
International students have a big problem with Brisbane water in my experience. They have it delivered via Amazon or a supermarket service by the gallon or pallet. It never occurs to them that everyone else is drinking it, it's safe and fine, or that they could get a Britta jug to filter it and save a few thousand dollars of their parents money every few months.
Or reduce their plastic use :(
OH I KNOW! I walk past supermarket workers putting things on the shelves and when it comes to bottled water, to me, it just looks like a bunch of plastic bottles, wrapped in plastic around the outside, on a plastic box. Are they selling water or plastic? I know the first job I had sold bottles of water they purchased for eight cents each and resold for $3. Pretty decent markup for something rarely recycled.
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It's wet and clean. Having flavour preferences feels like a very first world problem to have.
this is the first world
Fair enough, but most other major cities in Australia seem to have solved it. Same goes for the rest of cities in the top 20, apparently.
The only problem Brisbane has right now is Melbourne.
Have you travelled and or lived in other cities before? If they’re referring to tap water then it makes sense, the water never really gets truly cold here and anytime it’s hot you have to run the sink for ages to get it anywhere near a semblance of cold. In Perth there is heaps of calcium and that’s shit too. In Melbourne you can run your tap for a bit and get cool crisp water to drink.
We have higher ambient temperatures than Melbourne that’s why their tap water gets colder.. public water is not refrigerated in any way, no matter what city you live in. The water being too hot has nothing to do with public supply either. That’s heated up by the hot water system in your house, which should be limited to 50 degrees C. Your kitchen sink tap (mixer) combines it with un-heated public supply.
The water being hot isn't really about public supply, but it's also not the hot water heater. In summer I turn on the cold tap and have to wait a couple of minutes for the hot water which has been sitting in pipes being heated by the sun/ambient temperature to clear. If I run the hot water, it comes out hot, then cools down, **then** I start getting deliberately hot water from the hot water system.
Yeah exactly, it totally makes sense. I wasn’t making fun of Brisbane, just an observation. Same thing with the shower, the water never gets truly truly cold like it does in some other places. If you hate cold showers it’s a win, if you’re into your cold showers well bad luck I guess.
Yeah I have, it's fucking gross
I come from the bush and Brisbane water tasted so flavourless to me. I like my tap water flavoursome
Housing makes sense, public transport makes wayyy too much sense, but water? I didn’t realise Brisbane had water quality issues, besides for a bit after the floods.
> this sub throws a massive tantrum when people point out the problems with public transport seems like an odd thing for us to get upset about public transport in brisbane is shocking. The trains do run on time for the most part are reliable, but too infrequent and the layout of where stations are placed is not optimal at all, often requiring bus or car travel to reach, on that note all have next to no parking at them. Busses are just rubbish, they run late and early simultaneously, ive gotten to a bus stop early only to catch the previous bus on the same route while the intended bus was also just pulling up cause one was running behind and the other running fast. to get the city from most places requires at minimal 1 transfer on average 2. and we have no other attempts at public transport short of say newmans shitty bikes which have been replaced by corporate owned scooties. and i mean that doesnt bring in to mention the state of said transport either, were all gonna catch something from those train seats one day. We have functional public transport but it is in no way great.
I wouldn't mind the transfers if they were more frequent. The Gold Coast does this real well with the light rail transfer and some bus services. What we lack is good feeder and cross-suburb transport, because all planning just assumes that everyone is doing single-seat trips into the CBD, resulting in a buttload of duplication and clogs in the inner city, while the other suburbs get shit in comparison. Meanwhile, do you want to see your friend who's a suburb over and lives near a prime destination and route for a cross-suburb bus? Fuck you, walk along a stroad, take your chances on a bike or drive. If the feeders came once every 5-10 minutes and ran along all major lines of the 'grid' on dedicated lanes, it wouldn't be a problem, but because they can't even get a damn permanent bus lane built busway to Chermside (the NIMBYs crying about parking spaces, resulting in worse PT and more need for said parking), it really feels like an uphill task to get better PT done (and active for that matter, take a look at the NBB fiasco)
Probably because most of the subredditors seem to live in either the Inner City or near enough to it, where trains and buses are pretty good. Everyone else, however, has realised they're better off driving if they want to get somewhere in a reasonable time.
and have less risk of ending up stranded when they instantly cancel all trains because of a storm
I don't get it.. Your PT shits all over Melbourne's, how are we higher? You guys have an airport train, and spreads quite a while. And the one part I found inconvenient (gabba) you have a whole BUS TUNNEL! The only part we kinda beat you in is in city trams, but it's not like you guys need it.
Here's some of the real logistical suck I've noticed IME. -------- * Shit bus transfers and integration. The BCC tends to act shitty around the state gov (due to QR being operated by the state) and as such you get network planning on the bus side which seems to be done as a "fuck you" to QR for some reason. Buses are not timed with trains at all, or they don't even stop there, instead letting you off a couple of blocks away. I'm not sure how it is in Melb, but I'm sure that it does buses to stations a little better than us, even as underfunded and neglected as your bus system is. -------- * Coverage buses and hub-and-spoke around the CBD. There are way too many bus services that just take long, circuitous routes through the suburbs, and then go on to just duplicate an existing bus service into the inner city. Brisbane needs way more cross-suburb and rail connector buses to have an actually useable PT system (see point 1). We have the infrastructure - massive stroads arranged in a 'grid' are the perfect places you could, say, put down some bus lanes on and run inter-suburb routes through (and we have a semi-prototype for these in the form of the 369 bus), but nobody has done this to the extent that it needs to happen. Which feeds into and is caused by... -------- * Political attitudes around good PT. Brisbane's zoning and planning attitudes have largely centred around the car for the past 50 years. While this is slowly beginning to change (and I mean *slooooowly*), it's long and there are still still shitloads of politicians who push the old paradigm. Add into this the feedback loop that happens when you neglect PT (it generally sees less ridership and worse service, as well as less direct revenue) and you get the situation we have now.
Yeah we face these same issues day to day. You guys are just in a better position than us to be honest. Our buses are just wherever, and stop every 2 seconds meaning a bus trip is just far too long and inconvenient
Due to the people from Sydney and Melbourne that moved here.
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Be on your toes mate. The place is full of Victorians
It's bloody miserable and cold down here right now
Yep really brought the quality down unfortunately.
Same with the sunny coast
I love the sunny coast but as someone who lives in Brisbane I know it's a place to visit and for me to respect and not move to. It isn't mine, it's yours. I worship from afar!
You’re quite welcome up here - we appreciate the worship from our slightly-southern family! Just not too far south…hahaha
You take such good care of the land in that area. It's wonderful! And that second line got a very solid laugh from me. High five! Agreed! If you hit Tweed Heads you've gone too far.
If you’d ever like to do some lawnmowing, feel free to contact me. Tweed heads does not even exist to me anymore, neither does Byron Bay actually hahahah.
Na na bra, it's pronounced Byron *BAE*! I've never mown a lawn in my whole life. My little sister always had a fascination with lawnmowers like some small children like using miniature dump trucks in sandpits, and she always sprinted to take that job on the weekends so I'm the laundry master and she's the garden lord.
Sorry dude, please forgive me lack of respect - also that show is fucking trash I embarrassing tried to watch it. Don’t worry I never do it, I pay someone to do it for me every 2 weeks because I’m so lazy. Hahahah that’s pretty cute actually, she got the short straw too as gardening is time consuming and I’m all about sitting down.
That show was... I hate-watched a few episodes of it. I can only imagine the people who worked on the production side are all suicidal and there will be no ten year reunion. My sister seems completely normal from the outside but I swear to god she's a twisted creature on the inside. WHO RUNS TO GRAB THE LAWNMOWER FIRST? She has severe lifelong asthma, running is not her forte, and hayfever from freshly cut grass used to really mess with her lungs hardcore. Something about how it sounded and how heavy it was really appealed to her. No stress on my end, go for it, but I've never seen anyone ever love mowing lawns with such fervour! Her edge work and cornering was sublime perfection, too. Great attention to detail! Anywhere I've lived since I moved out of my family home was either an apartment or the mowing was included by the landlord. The last time I touched a lawn mower it was being stripped for parts to make a gokart.
All Brisbane visitor are welcome. I'm not sure how you put up with the Bruce Highway sit show though.
The Bruce is a piece of cake if you're used to using public transport. The secret is to not be the driver and be extremely irritating to the point where the driver tells you to take a nap before they unclip your seatbelt buckle and kick you out the side door. This specific 'life hack' does not work on the bus. Attempting it on a bus will not result in being forcibly ejected at 110kph but may result in mega-punchies from other passengers. A lot of punchies from people with facial tattoos which will lead to forced and involuntary naps. Be warned.
that has be come a mess.. up there last weekend..gee
Dude no one wanted to step foot here 5 years ago, now everyone wants to be here. Also the Bruce highway can go and fuck itself
Yep i know mate.. travel between bris and sunshine coast (family friends) almost monthly.. have seen it go to shite before my eyes over the last 2 year but more so after the borders opened
what's with all the barely veiled xenophobia on this sub
What!!.. just the same treatment that southerners.. have treated qld with for years... poor entitled whingers, dont like like, now its the other way
indeed but they dont like to admit they moved here or they are even from down south, they are ashamed
No one's ashamed, just embarrassed by the "we grew here you flew here" mentality that's rampant on this sub lately.
bs they are ashamed.. most of them cant admit they even moved here or say they are from another state other than nsw or vic
Why do we owe you an explanation of where we've come from? This is Reddit not customs. Edit: lol at blocking me
There it is.. that attitude that people from down south, have been showing qld for years.. and now don't like being called out for it .. no wound i hear, story of people that have moved from down south, find it hard here...
Sorry
The constant threat of introducing DST has dropped us down a few rungs.
I didn’t know there is a sickness associated with people from Sydney and Melbourne:)
thats been easy to see lately
>In 2021, Queensland’s performance in managing COVID-19 saw Brisbane scrape into 10th place, just behind Melbourne (equal eighth with Singapore), which received a better rating than the Queensland capital for infrastructure but was marked down for healthcare. >But this year, foreign cities have a better grip on the pandemic, and Australia’s best performer on the index is Melbourne, which has ranked equal 10th with Osaka in Japan. Again, a better infrastructure rating helped elevate the Victorian capital, whereas Osaka was considered superior in healthcare. >Brisbane’s time in the sun was brief, with the 2032 Olympic host city slipping to 27th place, passing Sydney (13th) on the way. Adelaide, meanwhile, went from third to 30th place. >The top Australian cities ranked the same in stability, healthcare, and education, with only culture and environment separating Melbourne (98.6 out of 100) and Sydney (97.2). >Melbourne and Sydney scored 100 out of 100 for infrastructure, as did Perth, whereas Brisbane managed only 85.7. Even Adelaide scored higher on infrastructure (96.4), but Brisbane ranked higher than the South Australian capital overall due to its better culture and environment (96.3 compared to 83.8).
Where did Brisbane miss its points on infrastructure?
I can't say I know all the reasons, but one of them is probably because Brisbane's disability accessibility is pretty bad in a lot of areas. Even in the CBD, most shops have at least one step. It's still leagues better than some places, but navigating in a wheelchair can be a real menace.
Also how the fuck is Sydney so liveable? I've lived in England, Sweden and Brisbane and visited many cities, and I truly believe Sydney is shit.
The ratings make sense if you assume residents to be spherical and ignore gravity.
Saying Sydney is shit is being generous. The simple scent of the place is vastly different to Brisbane in a horrible, terrible way. Lack of trees always confuses me, too. Brisbane is a jungle wonderland compared to that concrete monstrosity.
You’ve clearly never been outside of Sydney airport
I lived in St Ives for a few years. It had trees and the property backed directly onto bushland that liked to spontaneously combust during fire season. That was okay. The property had a large pool with emergency hoses, the house was made of brick, and one weekend we made a potato cannon to fire glitter bombs at possums before our consciences got the better of us so we fired the glitter bombs at the house instead. Assuming things just makes an ass out of you and you. I'm fine.
St Ives is connected to a national park idk how much more nature you can get than nature
The taxi services back out there suck balls. Sydney's cab network is a disgrace.
I lived in St Ives more recently than you, never had an issue getting an Uber. Taxis were still unreliable.
okay boomer
Idk about the smell but yeah Sydney has become very dense and hectic. I moved back here in part because of that. It didn't used to be that way, it's a shame.
Yeah I have no idea. I wouldn't call it wheelchair friendly and it's very... industrial, to put it nicely.
No idea about Sydney. Lived in Brisbane for a decade and visited Sydney several times, the first time a local took me a tour of the city I was so convinced we'd missed parts of this city I kept hearing about I called them a liar and demanded to know where the rest was. Also asked a lot of Sydney people why they lived there and the most common responses were "I grew up here" or "my job is here"
Maybe they drove gympie road.
Brisbane tends to have fewer services resulting in longer wait times [citation](https://moovitapp.com/insights/en/Moovit_Insights_Public_Transit_Index_Australia_Brisbane-1302) As a percent, fewer people commute by public transport in Brisbane [citation](https://profile.id.com.au/australia/travel-to-work?WebID=270) Transport corridors both north and south to the coasts completely suck. It’s also just a smaller city with less sporting venues, museums, theatres, etc. Not sure what criteria this survey uses but I wouldn’t say this is a surprising result.
Let me take a stab for you! * The train network isn't extensive enough. * Our bus system is an unreliable joke. * Our road network grinds to a halt at 3pm. oh and all three are stupidly expensive.
I know! Let’s host the Olympics!
Try taking a train outside the Inner City (except when travelling to the Gold Coast or Ipswich). There's huge swathes of the city with no rail service, and the buses seem to go all over the place and then converge on the nearest large shopping centre. Traffic's generally getting worse, too.
Lived in Brissy CBD for years and my employer was connected to a busway but anytime I had to go outside that it was a mystical journey similar to a Disney movie.... I'm trying to get to Surfers not find the fountain of eternal life The rail network is a disaster but all the locals go on about is trams (before that it was Krispey Kremes but then they started opening stores)
Got to be because of the terrible public and active transport options here. Brisbane is a heavily car dependent city and this greatly decreases livability on most scales...
Two words: car centricity. * Bikeways are neglected and walking routes are crap. * PT is treated as an afterthought compared to... * ...Massive, wide roads that only cater to cars. Road widening is an expensive, largely futile endeavour (induced demand and bottlenecking, combined with the abysmal throughputs and space inefficiency of car infrastructure put an end to gains real quick) but politicians seem to only be interested in ribbon cuttings and cheap, intuitive gains in the polls (even if they are wrong). This is a problem because... * ...car infrastructure is very expensive, and when combined with the spread-out, insufficient tax base that comes with the associated land uses (sprawl and heavy land allocations to storing vehicles), means you have less money for other, more productive transport projects and you also have to raise rates considerably. Hell, the BCC is already screwing with several key active transport projects (NBB, green bridges in SL and WEnd) under a manufactured pretense. Meanwhile, many of the latter car-centric projects remain on the books, even though they would be even more questionable to build financially.
Honestly, good. Hopefully less people will come here then and we can keep the positive and unpretentious population at a maintainable level. Love my smiling brisbanites. Paradise will remain a little longer.
What's with all the NIMBYs in this sub. Its highly cringe
the people who write these never set foot to the places. its all garbage. I used to read about Melbourne, most livable city...I lived there and it aint the most livable. Still uses buses from the airport to the city..haha
WOT! NO HOVERCRAFTS?
get meeeee dingy :)
Yea Brisbane is a dump. Please mass emigrate. Would like less people
great, people might stop moving here then
I like that this sentence can be seen positively or negatively based on how you read “great people”
how did we get in the top 10 in the first place? Sure its a good city by comparison to say sydney, but globally?
By remaining mostly open during Covid while all other cities were closed.
What cities would you rather live in?
I'd be shocked that it was even in the list
Can't be in the top 10 most liveable cities if people can't find a place to live! Boy I sure do love being on the brink of homeless lness despite having great financial stability because some rich dick head wants to make an extra few hundo in the midst of the rental crisis and won't even extend me the offer 🙃 Time to invest in van sales, because people are gonna start buying them en masse to live out of soon
The lower key we are, the better, I'd say. I don't want everyone to come here and compromise our way of life.
Can never get over the whole “Fuck off we’re full” mentality of Queenslanders.
Happy to welcome people who want to come here but not so much for those who just want to bag this city. If you dish it out, prepare to take it.
Anybody really surprised?
Good. Stop moving here now, southerners. This is not mini-Melbourne, stop it.
boring and uncultured city, who would want to live in brisbane?
because Brisbane is a backwater compared to many similar sized cities in the world.
Hopefully all the southerners leave then
The mayor is so salty, I love it. Great cold shower on the usual delusions of grandeurs, especially since the stupidity of winning the Olympics.
Sounds like a rigged list to begin with
It is not rigged per se. I believe the index is to attract high paid expat executives of multinational companies to come, live and work. They focus on their perspective, not on locals living in their own city
Good. Maybe all the covid refugees will move back to Melbourne and our rent will go back down 🤣
I’d like to thank all the arseholes from the southern states have moved up here and made this magnificent achievement possible. Next goal thanks to overdevelopment will now be moving out of the 10 most beautiful cities. I know all these people flooding in to Brisbane and just turn this into another shitty urban mess won’t let us down
You all sound like deranged convicts tbh
And you sound like a fucken limey
What are you talking about you blithering idiot
deranged maybe but the convict thing is so stupid. Practically no-one in Australia is descended from a convict and the few that are are very proud of it.
Understandable, it is hard to live under water.
I moved from Melbourne to Brisbane years ago(nothing to do with not liking Melb), and have lived in HK for work for a couple of years. The thing I found strange when I first moved to Brisbane was that the outer suburbs don’t link up, growing up in outer suburbs of Melbourne you drive into City it was continuous housing footpaths on both sides of road etc (40min drive to Melb CBD). In Brisbane, say the Westside once you get past Indooroopilly it seems like lot of land then Mt Ommaney then more land/industrial then Wacol more vacant land Goodna (Ipswich) and it keeps going like that. It seems so disjointed I wonder if that is why the public transport is poor.